View Full Version : Infinity Reaffirms Retardation-Lizzy Grubman Hired
ChickenHawk
06-27-2003, 02:48 PM
It's true... No, this is not a joke. As much as I wish it was, it's not. Lizzy Grubman, the Long Island richgirl who plowed over 16 people in her SUV is employed by our one and only 102.7 Blink. Hypocrisy in its absolute FINEST FORM. The same company that YANKED two highly-rated jocks from the air because of a stupid sex stunt has now hired a CONVICTED CRIMINAL to cover their "entertainment news & gossip". I wonder what the Catholic League has to say about this... probably ZERO. This is seriously outrageous. Oh, God forbid two guys say some dirty stuff on the air. How degrading! We can't have that kind of raunchy material on the radio! No way! But we can hire a woman who spent time in PRISON for intentionally mowing down 16 pedestrians. Can Infinity sink any lower? I just don't know...
*Here's the article* (http://www.radioandrecords.com/Subscribers/TodaysNews/newspm.asp#Lizzie Grubman Joins WNEW/New York Airstaff)
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golfcourseguy
06-27-2003, 03:09 PM
"I decided that if I can't beat the media," she said this morning on News sister WINS/N.Y., "I'm joining the media."
...and if the media won't have her she can star in Medea.
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Tenbatsuzen
06-27-2003, 08:50 PM
You have no idea how radio works.
1) Lizzie served her time. Her debt to society has been paid.
Remember how the press massacred O&A when they had sex for sam 3? Who is to say that Lizzie wasn't crucified in the same way?
In fact, considering that Christianity is based on FORGIVENESS, the very fact that Lizzie apologized for her crimes, served her time, etc...
** AND SHE DIDN'T SEND A COUPLE INTO ST. PATS TO HAVE ANAL SEX! **
2) As a PR person, she is more than qualified to read news on the air.
3) As a PR person, she has multiple contacts in the entertainment industry, making her an invaluable resource to Blink.
4) The publicity and infamy that this hiring will produce will give Blink exactly what they need for an edge.
You do realize that all the people who left O&A out to dry are gone, right? Ken, Jeremy, they're all gone. THE ONLY THING LEFT FROM WHEN O&A WERE THERE ARE THE GODDAMN CALL LETTERS.
There is no hypocrisy here. There is no reason for the Catholic League to care. Yes, she's a former criminal. But it's a PUBLICITY MOVE, and it's a damn fine one at that.
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ChickenHawk
06-27-2003, 09:06 PM
You dropped this...
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Tenbatsuzen
06-27-2003, 09:28 PM
Awww, what's the matter, tough guy? I blow your argument out of the water and all you've got is an non-witty insult?
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ChickenHawk
06-27-2003, 09:33 PM
HAHAHA... you think you blew my "argument" out of the
water... BWAHAHA! I never had an argument, but your
counter-argument to my non-argument is SEVERELY FLAWED.
You have no idea how radio works.
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You do realize that all the people who left O&A out to dry are gone, right? Ken, Jeremy, they're all gone.
Left them out to dry? Ken and Jeremy had nothing to do
with Infinity's decision to cancel O&A. They were suspended immediately following the act. THAT'S why they're gone. Ken & Jeremy were included in the band of guys who were "left out to dry".
THE ONLY THING LEFT FROM WHEN O&A WERE THERE
ARE THE GODDAMN CALL LETTERS.
Actually, Earl and Al Dukes still remain at the station.
1) Lizzie served her time. Her debt to society has been paid.
30 days... for bowling for white trash in an SUV... 30 days. Do you think if she wasn't rich as fuck she would've spent only 30 days in white collar hotel prison? NO. Sorry, but the justice system isn't the end-all be-all decider of what's right and wrong. OJ walks.
In fact, considering that Christianity is based on FORGIVENESS, the very fact that Lizzie apologized for her crimes, served her time, etc...
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** AND SHE DIDN'T SEND A COUPLE INTO ST. PATS TO
HAVE ANAL SEX! **
You put that in CAPS with stars around it as if it's a good point... Are you implying that having 2 people have sex in a church is WORSE than physically injuring 16 people with a car? Fuckin in church is wrong, but the worst it can do is offend people. The 2 acts aren't even comparable.
The publicity and infamy that this hiring will produce
will give Blink exactly what they need for an edge.
If you honestly think that employing Lizzie Grubman will make loyal Z-100 listeners tune in for good, you're positively wrong.
There is no hypocrisy here.
Once again, the company that claimed it was too high-brow for Opie & Anthony has REWARDED someone for the publicity they gained as a criminal. You see, the difference between O&A and Lizzie Grubman is that, they LOST their jobs for doing something wrong, whereas, she GOT a job. Inconsistent, no? If you can't see that, then you are simply wrong.
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This message was edited by ChickenHawk on 6-28-03 @ 1:56 AM
spoon
06-27-2003, 11:56 PM
I'm with hawk on this one. You think the catholic's would have applauded O & A for bringing heterosexual sex back to the church. Instead they used it to take heat off themselves so they could have meetings to see what to do with all the kid touching priests.... what is to decide? They should all be in cells next to Lizzy for a few years at least, including anyone who helped hide their actions.
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06-28-2003, 07:13 AM
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Tenbatsuzen
06-29-2003, 07:16 AM
All right. Here is where your argument is flawed.
First and foremost, you don't fuck with the Catholic Church. O&A had two listeners go in and perform Anal Sex in one of the holiest places in the United States. This is where the catholic league comes in.
Lizzie, on the other hand, her crimes had absolutely nothing to do with the Church. Yeah, she was drunk and fucked up on ecstacy or something like that. But if the Catholic League has NOTHING to say about this. So don't bring it up, and don't compare it to the O&A situation, because it's like Apples and Oranges.
Now, as for Lizzie... the only reason you know her name is that she is an Important Person Who Has Money. I capitalized that for a reason - the media loves to shine the spotlight on Important People Who Have Money, because it makes for "juicy" news and more importantly, ratings. If Lizzie Grubman was a fat woman on welfare, and this incident happened in Jamaica instead of the Hamptons, you would have heard about this once and forgotten about it.
As for your opinion that Lizzie is still an awful person - you're not in her head. Perhaps this incident completely changed her opinions. I used to drive insanely fast and recklessly until I got into my first car accident - and ever since then I don't go above 80.
Now, to tie this all in...
Even without her infamy, LIZZIE GRUBMAN IS QUALIFIED FOR THIS JOB. It's not like turning Britney Spears into an Anime artist, or Kevin Nash as a molecular biologist. She is a PR flack. PR flacks, by their very nature, are excellent writers and well spoken. This makes her a very good fit to be a newsreader at Blink.
Not only that, she has multiple celebrity contacts. As I remember, wasn't she drinking with Tara Reid the night of the incident? Let's see. Tara Reid knows Ashton Kutcher. What's the hottest celebrity gossip story right now? Oh, yeah, Ashton and Demi. That wouldn't be a huge story to Blink's audience, not at all.
The infamy of Lizzie Grubman is just an added bonus, and it's all about infamy to garner ratings. Blink is doing this as an experiment - there's no such thing as bad publicity - and if she sucks on the air, you can be damn sure they'll yank her.
You say it won't convert Z-100 listeners, but you can be sure as hell a ton of people will be listening the day she debuts. And if she does a great job, the station may retain listeners. And if she's absolutely awful on the air, people will STILL listen to mock her about how bad she is.
And finally, because I was curious, I asked Mikey D himself at the Softball Game what he thought about Lizzie Grubman being hired. He said, "I really don't care. I don't work there anymore."
If a former employee and on-air personality of WNEW doesn't care about this, why should you?
All you do is bitch about Blink... and I told you this before, they don't care, it's not going to change, and the more you harp on this, the more it's gonna swallow you up. LET IT GO.
But if you can't, let's reverse it. What happens when O&A are re-hired in 11 months? How about those people screaming how outrageous it is that those two anti-Christian scumbags have been re-hired? What are YOU gonna do? I'd guarantee you'd bash every single one of thoese people, even though it's ALL ABOUT RATINGS AND ADVERTISING MONEY.
I stated my reasons why this is a brilliant move.
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06-29-2003, 01:18 PM
She's a nice girl from a nice family........
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spoon
06-29-2003, 10:13 PM
She is a PR flack. PR flacks, by their very nature, are excellent writers and well spoken. This makes her a very good fit to be a newsreader at Blink
I had no idea Liz was Puerto Rican! Yet I have to disagree in that most don't have a great grasp of the english language. ;p
Kidding obviously. Your points are all common sense, but it still doesn't take away the hipocracy of the act. No matter what way you look at it. All the reasons you list are all things I hate about this country and big business in the last decade or so. Too big, companies are getting too big and believe they are above the law, both governmental and common sense. Things will come around soon enough.
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monsterone
06-29-2003, 10:28 PM
maybe they'll hire r.kelly for their "teen beat."
tenbatsuzen, why would you defend the hiring of of shitbag, being hired by a dogshit station discussing fluff bullshit rehashed from entertainment tonite? disgraceful.
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fluffernutter
06-30-2003, 07:29 AM
maybe they'll hire r.kelly for their "teen beat."
I laughed at this.
Tenbats makes such a great argument and makes a HELL of a lot of sense. It has really gotten to be like crying over spilled milk for some. Move on. Get over it.
being hired by a dogshit station discussing fluff bullshit
Keep me outta this.
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zappa
06-30-2003, 09:56 AM
I'm just happy to see some others having a "knockdown" argument on this board besides me.
"... just touch it, don't rub it"
What is a Blink?
By Lizzy being wrong doesn't make O&A's deal any more right. And Lizzie didn't broadcast her crime live over publicly controlled airwaves that as professionals they knew the rules. O&A tempted fate one too many times and it finally caught up with them. The thing that made them popular is that they liked to walk that edge, this time they fell off.
As far as everything else:
WWF brought in Mike Tyson for 3 months 4 years ago.
Fox hired Monica Lewinsky to host Mr. Personality where she promoted it by saying "Everyone knows that I fell for a man that only had personality"
These companies do this more for the infamy then thinking the people could do a good job just to get people talking. And it looks like it's working.
Personally, I'd like to see her do traffic.
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ChickenHawk
06-30-2003, 10:50 AM
And finally, because I was curious, I asked Mikey D himself at the Softball Game what he thought about Lizzie Grubman being hired. He said, "I really don't care. I don't work there anymore."
If a former employee and on-air personality of WNEW doesn't care about this, why should you?
Okay, that is COMPLETELY irrelevant and makes NO sense. No thank you, I think for myself. You're telling me that I should base my opinions on what former WNEW-employees think. ...WHAT?
Oh, and by that argument, Jim Norton personally called it "disgraceful". So, does that even the scale for you? Hopefully it doesn't, because there should be no scale. Draw your own conclusions.
All you do is bitch about Blink
Yup, you're right... 2100-something posts - ALL BITCHING ABOUT BLINK. Also, nice attempt to completely shift the focus of the argument. I could fuck horses in the ass, but that has nothing to do with the current topic of discussion.
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I could fuck horses in the ass, but that has nothing to do with the current topic of discussion.
Yeah, but that doesn't make it any less hot.
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Tenbatsuzen
06-30-2003, 12:11 PM
Chickenhawk, you're missing the point.
Maybe you do more than piss and moan about Blink, but you're one the usual suspects when it comes to not being able to let it go.
That being said - you said the move by Infinity was "retarded" - it's not, and you're turning it around, looking for any hole in the argument. I told you that asking Mikey D was for my own curiosity.
This is not a personal attack on you, but I'm telling you, let it go. Ron and Fez will be back, somehow. They just aren't going to be on 102.7.
And if you want to say Infinity is "retarded", remember, this is a company that bent over backwards to support R&F as they did a segue into the DC market. Remember that.
This was a publicity move, to get people talking, to generate interest. And by the vitriol you posted here, and the huge f'n thread on the NY Radio Messageboard, it looked like it worked - therefore, it's an absolutely brilliant strategy.
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ChickenHawk
06-30-2003, 12:22 PM
Ron and Fez will be back, somehow. They just aren't going to be on 102.7.
Now that's just plain condescending.
Also, I think you're giving WNEW far more credit than they deserve. "Aboslutely brilliant"? Come on now, seriously... I really don't think it took a marketting genius to think of this idea. In fact, it was most likely decided on a whim, and Lizzie of course agreed. I don't think more than 30 minutes of thought were put into such a decision.
Secondly, YOU'RE missing the point. I didn't start this topic to criticize Infinity's marketting/promotion techniques. I started it, and clearly stated that I was criticizing their moral inconsistency. That is ALL. They're taking a high-brow moral stance one day, and 11 months later, don't seem to have any problem with putting out a trashy radio product. You're the one who has twisted it. Did I ever say it was a bad business move? NO. I said it may not work, but that was not the point of this topic. You shifted the focus. If Fox hired OJ Simpson for a reality show, maybe it would rake in MILLIONS, but is it right?
I've said everything I can here. It's getting redundant and boring. I'm done.
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pennington
06-30-2003, 12:57 PM
My take on this: You're Both Right.
Tenbatsuzen is right that Lizzy Grubman is an icon in the demographic world that The Blink is targeting.
ChickenHawk is right that the Infinity "management" is retarded.
Now let's get back to what this board was intended for: fighting over who's better - Don&Mike or Opie&Anthony.
Tenbatsuzen
06-30-2003, 01:03 PM
Hawk, the topic name is "Infinity reaffirms retardation". I think that's an attack on the company as a whole.
Secondly, when were O&A fired for their morals? When did infinity ever present themselves as a moral company? The home of Stern, Imus, and several other raunchy personalities being a bastion of broadcast morals? Please.
O&A were fired for the media backlash and the fact that the company did nothing to defend them or staunch the firestorm of controversy surrounding sex for sam. Never ONCE did Infinity fire them for "moral" reasons, they fired them because they saw they could lose a major amount of business if something wasn't done to appease the Catholic League and the advertisers they could affect.
But again, YOU ARE COMPARING THIS TO O&A WHEN IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!
Your past has proven yourself. You examine every move Blink does and as soon as they do something, you jump on it like it's the worst thing ever.
I'll give you a comparison.
Let's say you had a local grocery store that you loved to shop at. The produce was always fresh, they had a nice selection of breakfast cereals, etc.
Then, one day, there was a massive outbreak of E.Coli in the meat section, because two of the Deli guys thought it would be a riot to see what happens when you leave meat out in the sun for a few hours.
Nobody got sick, but the two deli guys, who always cut the meat thin and gave you free samples whenever, were immediately fired. And the owners of the grocery store decided there were other problems with the management, so Scott the bagboy was fired and Ronald the produce manager was transferred to another store.
The Owners decided, since the public's trust of the supermarket was irrepairably damaged, decided to sublet the store to Mr. Lee and have an Asian grocery store in the same place.
So it's the same address, and the same owners, but it's Bok Choy instead of lettuce, and Pocky instead of Snickers.
Do you still protest that Supermarket, wanting the two deli guys back?
OK, this is going nowhere, I just liked the idea of Ron as the Green Grocer.
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Cybersoldier
06-30-2003, 01:52 PM
What F'tards they get rid of O&A, Ron and fez the ones the bring them the ratings and the money, and hire a person who runs people over when drunk, I to be at the christmas party when she get trashed.
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Bestinshow
06-30-2003, 02:45 PM
Never ONCE did Infinity fire them for "moral" reasons, they fired them because they saw they could lose a major amount of business if something wasn't done to appease the Catholic League and the advertisers they could affect.
Advertisers aren`t controlled by the catholic church. They are affected by dollars. The catholic church trumpeted this up as an immoral act. The station was afraid the general public would agree and that is what affects advertisers. Loss of revenue. It is complete hypocrisy to fire someone for promoting a lewd act and than hire someone who almost committed murder. Whether it creates publicity is irrelevant. It is still hypocrisy.
And if you want to say Infinity is "retarded", remember, this is a company that bent over backwards to support R&F as they did a segue into the DC market. Remember that.
Support? By firing a whole staff that had the show at number one with little promotion when it had other shows around it? They didn`t bend over backwards. They held onto an asset.
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06-30-2003, 02:51 PM
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spoon
06-30-2003, 03:15 PM
These companies do this more for the infamy then thinking the people could do a good job just to get people talking. And it looks like it's working.
My point exactly.
Tenbatsuzen, what the fuck is with that analogy? Thanks, now I'm starving!
As for the game, I just realized that the only guy to hit/bat worse than me at the game was the guy with "bat" in his name. Discuss....
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Tenbatsuzen
06-30-2003, 03:33 PM
Tenbatsuzen, what the fuck is with that analogy? Thanks, now I'm starving!
Even *I* don't know where I was going with the supermarket analogy. About 30 seconds after I posted it, I was like, "I'm insane."
But seriously - the Green Grocery guy for pathmark looks EXACTLY like Ron - take off the Kangol cap, add a green apron - there you go.
As for the game, I just realized that the only guy to hit/bat worse than me at the game was the guy with "bat" in his name. Discuss....
Even Barry Bonds has his off days. I was too busy thinking about "spoon"ing with a hot babe later on that evening. *smirk*
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