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mdr55
07-02-2003, 02:55 AM
Did you actually believe the Ron and Fez show as it was in NY wouldn't go through any changes once it went to D.C.? I keep seeing "I can't believe Rory, Billy, the Hawk, etc...didn't make the move" or "why did they get rid of the (fill in the blank) bit?". Wake up, stuff happens. Who made the move with Ron and Fez when they came to NY? Anyway, thanks for all the memories.

crosseyedmary
07-02-2003, 03:31 AM
Did you actually believe the Ron and Fez show as it was in NY wouldn't go through any changes once it went to D.C.? I keep seeing "I can't believe Rory, Billy, the Hawk, etc...didn't make the move" or "why did they get rid of the (fill in the blank) bit?". Wake up, stuff happens. Who made the move with Ron and Fez when they came to NY? Anyway, thanks for all the memories.

Is "changes" the term that should really be used here?

Ron and Fez developed an outstanding ensemble of side...persons in New York. The operative word being New York.

They can't hold on to these people because of economics.

I'd be amazed if they were paying Billy minimum wage in Washington. They budget is simply not there.

I hope the boys will find suitable replacements in DC, or effectively pick up the slack. It will be an uphill battle.

Things are not changing as much as they are deteriorating

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DJEvelEd
07-02-2003, 04:45 AM
Things are not changing as much as they are deteriorating


You must be listening to Stern, or spending too much time cleaning your monkey, to not recognize one of the greatest shows in the history of radio. Ron & Fez's WORST show is better than Howard, Radio Chick, Imus, Curtis&Kuby, BobGrant, Greaseman, O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage, and, (fill in the blank here) :_________
I'll take a "deteriorated" FerrallaFezz anyday.

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hurlmon
07-02-2003, 05:46 AM
I don't think it's deteriorating as much as it's changing/adjusting to fit in with the new demographic. Bit's that worked well in NY (Comedy Pyramid) don't work well now. Once the guys are settled down in the DC area and have a permanent staff I think we'll see new bits and soap opera like stories from their staff.


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Bob Impact
07-02-2003, 06:04 AM
The DC market demands a slower show so Ron and Fez have adjusted accordingly, and the PD of WJFK has made the determination that the personnel has to be changed. You don't have to like it, but that's how it happened. I liked listening to Mikey and Billy and the rest but I listen to the Ron and Fez show, not the Billy and Mikey show. I'll miss them, but at least we still have the show.

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A.J.
07-02-2003, 06:11 AM
The DC market demands a slower show


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Bill From Yorktown
07-02-2003, 06:18 AM
demand a slower show? Well, they should be familiar with the concept as they used to work in Florida :-)

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john11209
07-02-2003, 06:54 AM
Bit's that worked well in NY (Comedy Pyramid) don't work well now. !

damn i miss those.

FatTony
07-02-2003, 07:28 AM
PD of WJFK

Isn't the PD for WJFK Don Geronimo? That explains alot.

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french bread pizza
07-02-2003, 07:29 AM
of course we all thought they nothing was going to change..everything was perfect as it was, why would someone change it

when people are happy with the way things are no one understands change...no one knew who was and wasn't making the move, so obviously it was unexpected

florida is a different market from ny..dc is a different market from ny ....i guess no one can understand who is going to make the move and fit in with a move.

yes dc is a sllllloooooooooooooo

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07-02-2003, 07:30 AM
oooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwer market

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ozzie
07-02-2003, 08:07 AM
Isn't the PD for WJFK Don Geronimo?


No, Don is not the program director, and hasn't been since around the time they were taken off of 'NEW.

And I am one of the people who actually heard some of the old Ron and Ron show while they were in Florida, and have heard the show evolve over the years, and I strongly disagree about the show "deteriorating".

The one thing I know about Ron is that he is wicked smart, and he's always going to put out the best show that he can that suits the audience and time slot he's in. The bottom line is that most people tune in to hear Ron and Fez, two of the truly most funny and quick witted guys I've ever heard/seen in radio, or in comedy in general. Yes, there are a lot of things I miss about the night show live in NYC, that was probably my favorite of all time. But I also enjoy just hearing the two of them for an hour in the mid-day slot now, and the regular show that they still do everyday from DC.

The fact is that Infinity / WJFK is not willing to spend the money it takes to keep quality "producers" and behind the scenes people. You mentioned "Don Geronimo", well those familiar with his show know that Robbay is their "third man", or their "Billy Staples" in many ways, and Don finally admitted that HE has been personally supplementing Rob's (and others behind the scenes) salary with money he gets from being syndicated. And their producer Charlie is also leaving soon because WJFK/Infinity won't pay him what he could easily be making producing any other show out there. It's sad, but true. I'm sure the reason they are stuck down there with El Jefe and Dubs is that they were already on staff and it's probably not costing them as much to add them to the R&F show.

The one thing that I'd always held out hope for is the fact that while Infinity/Westwood One has made some stupid ass moves, and is cheap as hell... they are in the biz of syndication. O&A were conquering new markets at a steady pace, and of course Stern is still pretty much nation wide, and I'd always hoped that R&F would get packaged in with them...

...but it seems that after the O&A incident, and with Stern losing some of his audience, and the fact that D&M bombed in NY, and are now short timers and seem disinterested in going national anymore, the "package" is gone. In fact, Don revealed that Westwood One was basically GIVING their show away to syndicated markets in exchange for them running National Ads, and they are now demanding to be paid for being syndicated, and as a result, they're losing stations. (Starting with Mobile, AL, which sucks ass)

However they obviously know what a talent they have in R&F, and the fact that O&A was so successful doing their "New York" style/based show across the country... I'm still holding out hope that they'll be back in NY (and elsewhere) one day and bigger and badder than ever!

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DJEvelEd
07-02-2003, 08:17 AM
Isn't the PD for WJFK Don Geronimo? That explains alot.


Wasn't Don the P.D. who got Ron & Fez the job in DC? What is his title now?

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Clark Kent
07-02-2003, 02:27 PM
The guys' sense of humor is the same, but the listeners are so different in DC than they were here in NY. I miss the Comedy Pyramids and interaction with some of the regular callers. And, no offense to DC, but NY callers are so much funnier.

Snoogans
07-02-2003, 02:39 PM
I'd be amazed if they were paying Billy minimum wage in Washington. They budget is simply not there.


How do you figure that infinity broadcasting had enough money to pay everyone, but then all of a sudden infinity broadcasting doesnt have the money. Moving or not, its still the same co. if the yankees move stadiums, no one takes a pay cut

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kansei
07-02-2003, 05:55 PM
I am disappointed that all the support staff was asked to leave. I don't know how this could possibly help the show??!? I expected some changes, but this is ridiculous. Even though I was ready to smack Billy for his pompous attitude most of the time, WJFK hurt the show by getting rid of him.

I also can't see how a company that's making money by selling $3000 / minute spots, building sponsor references into the show (Heineken, AOL for Broads), etc; can't pay a few 'small fry' producers and phone screeners. It's bullshit.

clubberlang
07-02-2003, 06:53 PM
nothing to see here. move along.

This message was edited by clubberlang on 7-2-03 @ 10:55 PM

AFRO
07-02-2003, 07:34 PM
I liken it to a rebuilding or renovation process thats happening. We still have the main "COGS" if you will, that make the show the funniest thing on the radio. We have had some free agents that have left due to offers more relative to there needs, not because they have gotten tired of the show. Now The boys are calling up some young kids, "Rookies" as I like to call them, to step up and contribute. They might not be what we've grown acustomed to, but they will get there chance to shine.





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cozmokramer
07-02-2003, 09:01 PM
The show isnt deteriorating, its just changing in a way I for one am not used to. Now contests for a prize has replaced the great comedy pyramids, dull no-story guys like El Jefe and JDubs have replaced fantastic real life characters like Billy, Mikey, and Hawk.

I want the old show back, right now staying up till 3am and listening on tape delay wouldnt be my biggest regret.

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realkitalialera
07-03-2003, 06:51 AM
'The fact is that Infinity / WJFK is not willing to spend the money it takes to keep quality "producers" and behind the scenes people. You mentioned "Don Geronimo", well those familiar with his show know that Robbay is their "third man", or their "Billy Staples" in many ways, and Don finally admitted that HE has been personally supplementing Rob's (and others behind the scenes) salary with money he gets from being syndicated.'


Dear Ozzie,

Unfortunately I disagree with you.

I am sorry, but this makes no sense. Robby yelling a line or 2 off mike which is so unprofessioanal and sounds ridiculous is not being a 3rd mike. This is not a shot at Robbie who seems nice. Robbie on the air is no Billy Staples.

How can you compare that to what Billy and the others have added to the show....you can't

Secondly, how is Don supplementing their income with syndication money if he says he isnt getting any? If he is bitching about money why would he be giving it away?

This goes much deeper than all of this. It has to do with I beleive JFK trying to mold the Ron and Fez show into their image. You know Cameron wont fuck with the Don and Mike show, he doesnt have the balls, he proved that with the way he handled the R & F guys.

That being said...in the immortal words of Al Pacino in "Dog Day Afternoon", and I paraphrase to fit the situation.

"Kiss me, I like to get kissed when someone is getting fucked"

ozzie
07-03-2003, 07:24 AM
No, I said they were "basically" giving the show away. They received somewhere in the area of $100 a month from each of their syndicated stations (around 25 to 30 stations or so), and he "said" he was sharing his share of that with Rob.

And I think you're missing the point of my post. And I don't want this to turn into yet another "D&M suck" thread. If you want that, there are plenty of other threads on that topic. I was just trying to give some info on what I've heard (on air) about the spending habits (or lack thereof) of WJFK/Infinity.

And I also never compared Rob's "on air" contributions to anyone on the old R&F staff. But if you've listened to the show for any amount of time, you'd know that Rob does do a lot of the behind the scenes writing and comes up with game ideas, hosts some of the game shows, does phone bits, etc., a la Billy Staples. And if Rob is not their "third man", who is? Rob started as an intern, just as many of the R&F staff did, and he's now part of the show, like him or not, and yet he's still not getting paid (by WJFK) much. I'd bet that if things had worked out last year, and the situation was reversed and the D&M show was moving to NYC, it's likely that they would try to replace him from an existing person from the WNEW staff.

And it's also a fact about Charlie possibly leaving because they won't pay him what he's due.

And if you want to get really deep into how a lot of this came up, it was because Don was doing the Redskins pre-game show for free. He asked for "scale" pay, and they told him that unless he would continue to do it for free, they'd just do it without him.

You may be right about Cameron or other motives, I really have no idea. But if you don't think that they "fuck with" the D&M show too, I'd have to disagree. Yes, D&M are "it" right now at WJFK, and probably get a little better treatment than the new guys on the block, but come on! They've been pulling down #1 ratings in DC for almost two decades, in mornings, middays and drive time. It'd be hard not to show them some appreciation for that.

But even with all that, they've got problems with management too. And for all I know, the Sports Junkies may have bailed for similar (ca$h) reasons.

I AM grateful that R&F are still on the air, and I give some appreciation to WJFK for that much, but don't get me wrong here... HELL NO, I don't like the changes either!

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FreeholdBill
07-03-2003, 07:39 PM
Unfortunately, radio is the "Rodney Dangerfield" of entertainment...
It gets absolutely NO RESPECT!!!
But in the end its all about the $$$.
Even top-notch talent like Ron&Fez cannot draw the kind of numbers necessary to command big bucks.
Only a very few like Stern, Limbough, Savage, etc. can command respect.
And apparently in comedy, only Stern has been able to pull it off consistantly.
Let's face it, it's not the talent at fault, it's the public's reluctance to listen to radio for extended periods.
With TV, the Internet, movies, DVDs and computer games available for entertainment, it seems radio is left holding the bag.