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FMJeff
08-11-2003, 11:19 AM
AWFUL! Sounds like fucking smashmouth....who the hell convinced Lars to sell out? I want his head in a noose swingin from a tree.

Shame on you Rancid, shame on you.

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mdr55
08-11-2003, 11:25 AM
I thought this was a thread about your girlfriend dumping you after you told her your "Medieval Times wedding idea" and now you are a rancid single.

Oh well.

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DC Reed
08-11-2003, 12:04 PM
What happened to the days of Operation Ivy.............sigh.

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FMJeff
08-11-2003, 04:05 PM
I thought this was a thread about your girlfriend dumping you after you told her your "Medieval Times wedding idea" and now you are a rancid single.
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man that was a http://www.hitchams.suffolk.sch.uk/ict_art/images/words/stretch.jpg

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fluffernutter
08-11-2003, 04:12 PM
The 3 Album rule* would have worked here perfectly.

* When said band calls it quits while on top. Usually after 3 or 4 records. Only in some rare cases can this work past 4 records when a band has either not gotten mainstream airplay or the band is consistently breaking new ground while maintaining its originality.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-11-2003, 04:13 PM
If youre talking about "Fall Back Down" then youre a lil wacky in my opinion. I absolutely love the lyrics and the sound is just fine. And youre talking about selling out? Let me Dr0p some lyrics on yo' ass, its from a Bigwig song called "Sellout":

Now who's the sellout? Well if Sid Vicious was so punk, Then I guess I'll start shooting junk, They were on a major label. Now the band has made some money, You're the one that bought the CD, You told are you friends they were cool, Seems to me that you're the fool. So before you open your mouth, And you say a band has sold out, Do you know what they've been through, Know what they've gone through To play in front of you? Now who's the sellout? Now you're the sellout, So you're a sellout. Please don't get me wrong, I can't sum it up in one song. Open your mind before you open your mouth, Because you might be the one selling out.

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curtoid
08-11-2003, 04:48 PM
Thank god non-sellouts like NOFX, Fugazi and The Bacon Brothers.

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FMJeff
08-11-2003, 06:05 PM
Now who's the sellout?


You tell me....today Rancid was followed by Chevelle...uh huh..they didn't sell out...

next time you hear NOFX on the Kane and Cabby show, let me know...

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mikeyboy
08-11-2003, 06:10 PM
Do you know what they've been through, Know what they've gone through To play in front of you? Now who's the sellout?


Fuck. Another pop quiz. Is the answer Jeff? 'cause I wasn't paying attention.


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fluffernutter
08-11-2003, 06:18 PM
next time you hear NOFX on the Kane and Cabby show, let me know...

I hope to never hear those no talents on Rock radio. Even alt radio even. Hell, ANY radio!

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grlNIN
08-11-2003, 06:19 PM
The record companys gonna' give me lots of money and everything is gonna' be alright.

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Wormwood
08-11-2003, 06:23 PM
The record companys gonna' give me lots of money and everything is gonna' be alright.

I always say: Follow your heart, your intuition, it will lead you in the right direction.

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FMJeff
08-11-2003, 06:30 PM
I always say: Follow your heart, your intuition, it will lead you in the right direction.


honestly...

what they've GONE through? huh? like they're more special than any other band that fucking busted thier ass through trial and tribulation to get where they wanna be AND STILL find time to preserve the integrity of the genre they're playing?

mcnabb, i love you man, but you're out of your gourd...

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McNabbShouldDie
08-11-2003, 07:37 PM
I didnt know the new song was getting played on mainstream radio, but even if it is, so what? Selling out isnt putting a song on the radio or making a video, its changing your style of music to suit the ears of millions of trendy fucks. Ive yet to hear the whole Rancid album yknow, cause it aint out yet, but I strongly doubt Rancid would change everything theyve built up just because teens think that being alternative and being a loser is cool these days. If you want sellout check Green Day, Blink 182(tho i think they sound exactly like they always have, which is my problem with them. But kids seem to think their "old stuff" was golden), or, unfortunately, H2O(theyre off MCA records now so dont worry H2O fans!). Trust me, Rancid has "sold out" to nothing, they dont need to, their icons.

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curtoid
08-11-2003, 09:58 PM
This discussion reminds me of a hysterical article in a May 2003 print edition of The Onion titled: "90s PUNK DECRIES PUNKS OF TODAY."

"These kids today have no idea what real punk is," said Drew Tolber (29), who called himself 'Steve Spew' from 1992 until May 1999, when he was forced to revert to his real name to take a job at Roberto's Custom Auto Upholstery."

"They can talk all they want about how much punk means to them, but the simple fact is, they were't there," Tolbert said.

"Punk is more than just a Mohawk hairstyle. For us back in the 90s, punk was a way of life...Back in '93, it was a rebellion against outmoded belief systems. It was a cry of outrage against the repressive authority of the Clinton Administration."

And my favorite...

"I saw some kid wearing a Sex Pistols T-Shirt the other day--he couldn't have been more than 9 when the Pistols did their Filthy Lucre reunion tour."

The world needs GG Allin now more than ever.

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DC Reed
08-11-2003, 10:01 PM
That article kills, i remeber that one, the best was when he said something like "Theyll never know when (someguy) totally went on stage trashed.."


i dont remeber it, but ill have to go dig up that article.

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fluffernutter
08-11-2003, 10:19 PM
When I was waiting in line for a Dr0pkick shirt Rancid was playing on a stage behind me and I coul dhave sworn that Tim was extremely out of his ghourd on the H. He mumbled a few words and then Lars sang the rest of the time.

Rancid would have been at least honorary icons if they would have quit after Wolves. Life Won't Wait was terrible and everything after that just never got back to their previous glory.

Rancid KILLED and damn near took The Offspring off the stage back in 94 but there comes a time when you got to stop milking the cow. Speaking of which, looks like Dr0pkick is starting to milk their very own cow cause Blackout is a HUGE dissapointment.

Its a shame when good bands go bad.

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curtoid
08-11-2003, 11:28 PM
As Jello Biafra once told me at a North Carolina Waffle House back in 1988:

"Did you see me on Oprah yelling at Tipper Gore?"

Not sure what that has to do with anything, except that all icons eventually disappoint. Must suck to know that you were replaced by Bill Bixby's son.

Thank god the original Teen Idles never sold out.

[KOP]

fluffernutter
08-12-2003, 05:52 AM
I am glad Jello didn't sell his sould and rejoin the Kennedy's for their reunion. How can you tour as the Dead Kennedy's WITHOUT Jello? Kind of like touring as the Misfits WITHOUT Glenn Danzig.

Wait....

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FMJeff
08-12-2003, 06:04 AM
I didnt know the new song was getting played on mainstream radio, but even if it is, so what?


Means everything. I haven't heard a Rancid single on the air in years. All of a sudden they're all over the place with a fresh new sound...less abrasive, more poppy, bubblegum punk...and of course its about a breakup...which has become the gold standard topic of every bubblegum punk band.



Selling out isnt putting a song on the radio or making a video, its changing your style of music to suit the ears of millions of trendy fucks. Ive yet to hear the whole Rancid album yknow, cause it aint out yet, but I strongly doubt Rancid would change everything theyve built up just because teens think that being alternative and being a loser is cool these days.


I guess it remains to be seen then. I like to judge an album by its first single. (See St Anger...shudder.) They usually pick the best song on the album, and if this is the song they are leading off with, I fear for the album. But if the album sucks McNabb, if every song is garbage bubblegum, I want you to crawl over here and kiss my feet.


If you want sellout check Green Day, Blink 182(tho i think they sound exactly like they always have, which is my problem with them. But kids seem to think their "old stuff" was golden), or, unfortunately, H2O(theyre off MCA records now so dont worry H2O fans!).

I agree with you. All I'm saying that its a little fucking queer to listen to Rancid song in the middle of a rock block following cold play and audio slave.


Trust me, Rancid has "sold out" to nothing, they dont need to, their icons


We'll see.

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cozmokramer
08-12-2003, 06:34 AM
I agree with you Jeff about the single, Its really really bad. But what do you blame it on?

The band itself?
The fact how big this pop punk shit has gotten?

Face it, there are very few kids that wan't to hear any good real punk anymore. Thankyou very much but I'd rather stay listening to Fear.

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FMJeff
08-12-2003, 08:41 AM
I agree with you Jeff about the single, Its really really bad. But what do you blame it on?


I blame it on the band, the management, the record company, and the music listening public. Did I get everyone?

Unfortunately they don't teach "taste" in music class anymore.

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cozmokramer
08-15-2003, 12:09 AM
Wow, I just saw the video for this song....they have officially hit rock bottom in my view. Kelly Osbourne and that faggot from Good Charleotte is in it. Rancid, Im very disappointed in you.

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FMJeff
08-15-2003, 06:17 AM
Kelly Osbourne and that faggot from Good Charleotte is in it. Rancid, Im very disappointed in you.



AHAAHAHAA IN YOUR FUCKING FACE MCNABB.

Don't ever fucking say another word in contradiction to me again.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 08:06 AM
First of all, i should mentioned that i never like labeling/grouping things, especially music and people. Its stupid.

I've heard 4 new songs off the album(all posted on Rancid's website) and they havent changed there music in anyway. Theyre still bringin their own brand of ska and punk to the album and the lyrics are great as always. So what, the band is friends with artists that are "mainstream", big deal. And if they want to make a video, go ahead. Id like to have them make as money as they can. You people are criticizing "Fall Back Down" because its different, well listen up, its called experimenting. They tried something a lil upbeat and different in the sound, bands do that. The other shit i heard is all great, maybe its just cause im as big on lyrics as i am music. But for you nay-sayers, go check out the new shit on Rancid's website (http://www.rancidrancid.com)

But let me note, they need to find some better friends then Kelly Osbourne.

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TheMojoPin
08-15-2003, 09:01 AM
I've heard 4 new songs off the album(all posted on Rancid's website) and they havent changed there music in anyway.

Are you sure you didn't somehow time travel back to 1996? Because I think I just heard the four songs you're talking about, and they're AWFUL. No bite, no spirit. Just bland, "pleasing to all" pop-"punk" designed to worm right onto "TRL" for a couple weeks and make the big boys and their new label all happy and pleased over their "dirty" new punk band.

Want one word for what ultimately killed Rancid? Wasn't the record deal or the new song/album...TRANSPLANTS. Who the fuck is PROUD they started the first rap-punk band? And being married to the Courtney Love of punk, Brodie Armstrong, probably didn't help things either. DEAD.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 09:41 AM
Want one word for what ultimately killed Rancid? Wasn't the record deal or the new song/album...TRANSPLANTS.

Yeah, I dont like em either. It doesnt mean Rancid's bad.

Because I think I just heard the four songs you're talking about, and they're AWFUL. No bite, no spirit. Just bland, "pleasing to all" pop-"punk" designed to worm right onto "TRL" for a couple weeks and make the big boys and their new label all happy and pleased over their "dirty" new punk band.

No bite? No spirit? Christ man, listen to the damn song. Youre saying Rancid is like those Sum 41, Avril Lavigne pop bands, theyre not! They still stand for everything they always have and just because they made a stupid video doesnt mean they "sold out" to anything. They got to put food on the table, and more power to them if there able. Theyre sound has changed over the years and good. I dont want to listen to the same exact song with different lyrics(ala Blink 182, Wesley Willis(though Wesley is hilarious)).

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TheMojoPin
08-15-2003, 10:04 AM
The video has nothing to do with it since I've never seen it.

The song, however, just seems AWFUL.

But then again, I haven't like a Rancid album since "Life Won't Wait". Some bands just can't keep it going.

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FMJeff
08-15-2003, 10:09 AM
No bite? No spirit? Christ man, listen to the damn song. Youre saying Rancid is like those Sum 41, Avril Lavigne pop bands, theyre not! They still stand for everything they always have and just because they made a stupid video doesnt mean they "sold out" to anything. They got to put food on the table, and more power to them if there able. Theyre sound has changed over the years and good. I dont want to listen to the same exact song with different lyrics(ala Blink 182, Wesley Willis(though Wesley is hilarious)).



I guess it really comes down to the very ambiguity of "punk" as a lifestyle. I mean, how can you truly be punk if you:

A. Have a website
B. Are on a major label
C. Have a video
D. Have a shopping cart for merchandise on your site
E. Have relationships with buymusic.com, listen.com, pressplay.com and itunes to distribute your music.

Face it McNabb, Rancid sold out, the new album sucks, and now they hang out with other douchebags who've done the same thing. You have no argument.

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TeRRoR
08-15-2003, 10:22 AM
hahaha... i beat up fat mike a long time ago. that was funny.

and big deal, they are selling out. shit... once my band gets the ball rolling, i am all about selling out... people are nothing but dollar signs to me. fuck the so-called "SCENE".

and jeff, you sad that mephiskapheles arent around anymore?

and actually, that song seriously blends right in on the "out comes the wolves" album.

and go check out the transplants... i think they are the f'n shit.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 10:32 AM
I guess it really comes down to the very ambiguity of "punk" as a lifestyle. I mean, how can you truly be punk if you:

A. Have a website

Thats honestly one of the most retarted things I have EVER heard in my life.

and actually, that song seriously blends right in on the "out comes the wolves" album.

If youre talking about 'Fall Back Down' i completely agree. A couple of my friends have heard the new Rancid songs and mentioned the resemblance to 'And out come the wolves'.

This new album is definetly gonna be the best since 'And Out Come the Wolves'.

and go check out the transplants... i think they are the f'n shit.

I wish I could agree with ya there, I heeard them on Jimmy Kimmels show and I just didnt like them. I also d/led a few songs and didnt hear anything good about them, thats just me though.

and big deal, they are selling out. shit... once my band gets the ball rolling, i am all about selling out... people are nothing but dollar signs to me. fuck the so-called "SCENE".

I still dont think they are "selling out" just cause they made a video and are friends with Kelly Osbourne and Good Charlotte.

IF IT IS GOOD MUSIC, I WILL LISTEN TO IT

If I could go back in time I shouldve just summed it all up just like that in this thread.

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Aggie
08-15-2003, 10:36 AM
and go check out the transplants... i think they are the f'n shit


Really?? Me and Lulu saw them open for the Foo Fighters and I just thought they were alright. But what do I know, I like rap.

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TeRRoR
08-15-2003, 10:42 AM
and go check out the transplants... i think they are the f'n shit


Really?? Me and Lulu saw them open for the Foo Fighters and I just thought they were alright. But what do I know, I like rap.

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TheMojoPin
08-15-2003, 11:12 AM
I liked Rancid better when they were The Clash and they were GOOD.

And "selling out" is a moot point. Unless you're Fugazi, you've "sold out" in some way, shape or form.

"REAL" punk existed for about 4 years, 1977-1981, and that's it. Everything else since has been something else. So what's there to argue?

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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 11:30 AM
"REAL" punk existed for about 4 years, 1977-1981, and that's it. Everything else since has been something else.

AAAHHH!! Will people stop classifying and grouping and time tabling and putting labels on everything in the fuckin world! Music is music. Enjoy, love it, live for it, but stop labeling it!

I knew this thread was going to go into talk of whats "punk" and whats not.

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TeRRoR
08-15-2003, 11:42 AM
here... im classifying!

im all into oi and hardcore. i am a street thug. a hoodlum. i am that trash that hangs out at cbgb's.

I am the person who would beat you up for no reason other then just for kicks.

TAKE THAT!

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TheMojoPin
08-15-2003, 11:58 AM
AAAHHH!! Will people stop classifying and grouping and time tabling and putting labels on everything in the fuckin world! Music is music. Enjoy, love it, live for it, but stop labeling it!

I WASN'T labelling, that was the point. All this talk is about how Rancid was "punk" and then "sold out", but you can't do EITHER thing if punk isn't around anymore. Punk, like disco, is dead. It was a moment in time. Other genres have emerged from it, but those are different. It's not a negative thing, it's just what happened.

And there ARE genres of music. Deal with it, hippie.

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cozmokramer
08-15-2003, 12:05 PM
AAAHHH!! Will people stop classifying and grouping and time tabling and putting labels on everything in the fuckin world! Music is music. Enjoy, love it, live for it, but stop labeling it!

So if your not going to classify it, you'll go along with whatever someone says punk? So The Germs and Simple Plan are the same? Face it, times change, the music changed, and thats why you have to classify it.

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TeRRoR
08-15-2003, 12:07 PM
So if your not going to classify it, you'll go along with whatever someone says punk? So The Germs and Simple Plan are the same? Face it, times change, the music changed, and thats why you have to classify it.


yes... teh germs and simple plan are both the same... THEY BOTH SUCK

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TheMojoPin
08-15-2003, 12:30 PM
The Germs suck?

Oh, that's right. You get hit in the head a lot.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 06:37 PM
And there ARE genres of music.

Yes there is. And to me, the genres are "music I hate", "music i dont like", and "music i like". I could care less what people think is "emo" and "punk" I dont care to get into stuff like that. Like with people, I can do much more with my time then figure out what kids are "jocks" or "goths".

get your haircut!

I just did on Monday. I dont like it, WAY too short on the sides. I didnt want it buzzed but it was buzzed anyway.

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grlNIN
08-15-2003, 06:43 PM
The Germs suck?



News to me.

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TheMojoPin
08-15-2003, 06:53 PM
Yes there is. And to me, the genres are "music I hate", "music i dont like", and "music i like".

Hey, that's great there, Ayn Rand. We'll all be over here in the real world when you need us.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 07:21 PM
Hey, that's great there, Ayn Rand. We'll all be over here in the real world when you need us.

Oh, I see, I'm "out of this world" cause I dont waste my time trying to figure out what bands are "softcore emo-rap" and which are "country jazz" and when "real punk" was around.

And if you werent messing around in profile and you were born in 1979, what the hell do you know about something that supposedly only happened when you were a toddler.

Get your wacky ideas out of here and enjoy music for what it is.

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TheMojoPin
08-15-2003, 07:31 PM
You're THIS shy of trying to break us into a chorus of "Kumbaya", Anarchy McAnarchalot.

"Music" is not just "music". That's like saying great paintings/photos/TV shows/movies/music are ALL the same "art" and should all be judged equally as "art", which is cop-out horseshit nonsense.

And all this because you couldn't come to grips with Rancid's natural evolution into musical dink-lickers.

If you want to be a musical hippie, go right ahead. Who says you can't? I just think it's stupid. Tough.

And if you werent messing around in profile and you were born in 1979, what the hell do you know about something that supposedly only happened when you were a toddler.

Right. Because you can ONLY listen to/love/read about/research music/social movements that have occured during your cognitive lifetime. IT'S THE LAW. If your birthdate is correct, you were, what, 6 when that beloved "Blue Album" of yours came out? Let's just keep this thread to how Jeff and I hate the new Rancid.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 07:58 PM
Right. Because you can ONLY listen to/love/read about/research music/social movements that have occured during your cognitive lifetime.

People always talk so much about how punk is a lifestyle as much as it is the music. If you pissing your pants and learning how to talk, how the hell do you know about the "punk" lifestyle.

If your birthdate is correct, you were, what, 6 when that beloved "Blue Album" of yours came out?

Yep, 6, when I was at a friends house and his big brother had "Buddy Holly" blastin on the stereo. I was in love with Weezer ever since.

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TheMojoPin
08-15-2003, 08:10 PM
Let's clarify a couple things...

Right. Because you can ONLY listen to/love/read about/research music/social movements that have occured during your cognitive lifetime.

People always talk so much about how punk is a lifestyle as much as it is the music. If you pissing your pants and learning how to talk, how the hell do you know about the "punk" lifestyle.

Read my post again. "Lifestyle" was the ONE description I purposely DIDN'T use. Maybe it was the "social movement" that threw you, but that IS what it was, at least in Britain in the late 70's. It was not, however, nor has it been, a "lifestyle", and I don't view it as such or try to live my life by it. Because that would be ridiculous. I love the MUSIC and the HISTORY (Social and otherwise) of the genre. That's it. Why the fuck should I care about "living like a punk?"

Yep, 6, when I was at a friends house and his big brother had "Buddy Holly" blastin on the stereo. I was in love with Weezer ever since.

That's fantastic. Why can't I listen to punk again?

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grlNIN
08-15-2003, 08:15 PM
By your words I am starting to think that you don't really even listen to music that you claim to listen to. That or you are completely misinterpreting everything being said here by Mojo and countless others.

People always talk so much about how punk is a lifestyle as much as it is the music. If you pissing your pants and learning how to talk, how the hell do you know about the "punk" lifestyle.



People talk, it is what it is.....talk. I can say i remember when London Calling came out and how it was a breakthrough album for the band, for the times, for the music.etc. How would i know this if i didn't live or wasn't of age in the specific time period?.....Reading, researching, listening to the actual music and comparing it to the music before,during and after said album came out. Unless you know what you're talking about(which in some cases you do not) you shouldn't act like you do.

I take music very seriously, it's my life, sad but true and all that other blah blah blah. I never act as if i know what i am talking about with bands if i have never heard or know nothing about them. Some people should do the same bc it makes them look ignorant as to what they are saying.



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TheMojoPin
08-15-2003, 08:18 PM
I take music very seriously, it's my life, sad but true and all that other blah blah blah.

She's right.

We can smell our own.

And boy, do we STINK.

Oh, hey NINy...I've got my tickets to see BRMC in DC on September 18th. RAWK.

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grlNIN
08-15-2003, 08:21 PM
And boy, do we STINK.

It's an aquired odor, a little musty but hey....


Oh, hey NINy...I've got my tickets to see BRMC in DC on September 18th. RAWK.



!!!!

Damn you boy.....have fun i need to make rounds on venues around here.

Oh and don't go to the ocncert if it's at a "mainstream" club....yah know that's such a sellout thing to do!



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08-15-2003, 08:25 PM
Nah, they're playing the 9:30 Club, which by DC standards is the last gasp before...HORRORS!!!!!..."selling out"...

Easily my favorite venue. Holds about 1,200 with four bars in the club, an upper deck, and a whole other club/bar in the basement level.

The famous 9:30 Club... (http://www.930.com)

And spookiness of spookies, I've been listening to "London Calling" since before that first post of yours...boooooooogaaaaa-boooooo...

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grlNIN
08-15-2003, 08:37 PM
All the clubs around here are absolute filth.

The book the same three bands and completely ignore any band that doesn't fit their status quo. Bastards.


19th Theater of Living Arts
Philidelphia, PA

23rd Irving Plaza
New York, NY

...and my heart beats again.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 08:37 PM
Maybe it was the "social movement" that threw you, but that IS what it was, at least in Britain in the late 70's. It was not, however, nor has it been, a "lifestyle", and I don't view it as such or try to live my life by it. Because that would be ridiculous.

Sure this thing called punk was a social movement. But it was also a lifestyle. Hell, people didnt go and rebel against the government, authority, conformity, etc. and then 3 years later get 9-5 jobs and run for mayor or something. They lived by what they beleived and that is a lifestyle. If thats not your lifestyle, fine, not mine either. But it was some peoples back in the mid/late 70's and shit.

That's fantastic. Why can't I listen to punk again?

You asked me a question, so I answered. Remember: If your birthdate is correct, you were, what, 6 when that beloved "Blue Album" of yours came out?

People talk, it is what it is.....talk. I can say i remember when London Calling came out and how it was a breakthrough album for the band, for the times, for the music.etc. How would i know this if i didn't live or wasn't of age in the specific time period?.....Reading, researching, listening to the actual music and comparing it to the music before,during and after said album came out. Unless you know what you're talking about(which in some cases you do not) you shouldn't act like you do.

Sure you read and research shit, hows the different from talk? Its all second hand info. Itll never be the same as actually living through and being apart of something, whether it be "social movement" or whatever.

Otherwise, Im in complete agreement with ya, people shouldnt talk about shit they dont know about.


I take music very seriously, it's my life, sad but true and all that other blah blah blah.


Same here. I mean, thats why we're here arguing, right? And its not sad that music is peoples lives, I mean, music's the shit.

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grlNIN
08-15-2003, 08:49 PM
Sure you read and research shit, hows the different from talk? Its all second hand info. Itll never be the same as actually living through and being apart of something, whether it be "social movement" or whatever.


Ok McNabb allow me to just adjust the setting here and weeee im going back in time to every single year that every band i love made a album !!!

NO

I am only 18, i listen to music from the 50's and on, the only way to gain knowledge of the music i love is to thoroughly reasearch the bands or talk to parents about them(providing they know who the hell i am talking about) As well as listen read through abso-fucking-lutely anything and everything i can get my hands on.

You make the mistake of thinking to actually feel a connection to the music you have had to lived through the times inwhich it was happening and that just isn't true.

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd it is different from talk because i'm not flapping my gums and spewing out inane dribble that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I know what i'm talking about when i am talking about bands, when i am in KNOW the bands and not pretending to know who they are.





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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 09:04 PM
Ok McNabb allow me to just adjust the setting here and weeee im going back in time to every single year that every band i love made a album !!!

NO

I am only 18, i listen to music from the 50's and on, the only way to gain knowledge of the music i love is to thoroughly reasearch the bands or talk to parents about them(providing they know who the hell i am talking about) As well as listen read through abso-fucking-lutely anything and everything i can get my hands on.

Im not saying that people cant listen to music that came out when they werent alive or anything. Hell, Im 15 and listen to shit from the early 70's and 80's too. But researching and getting info about something you werent apart of just isnt the SAME as actually being there and living through it. Anyone can most certainly listen to The Clash or whoever and KNOW what theyre singing about but they cant truly understand what they felt.

You make the mistake of thinking to actually feel a connection to the music you have had to lived through the times inwhich it was happening

No I dont.

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd it is different from talk because i'm not flapping my gums and spewing out inane dribble that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I know what i'm talking about when i am talking about bands, when i am in KNOW the bands and not pretending to know who they are.

Research isnt different from talk because its all second hand info. Talking in conversations with people about what social movements happened whenever is research, which is still second hand information.

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grlNIN
08-15-2003, 09:16 PM
Congratualtions.

You have successfully missed the point of everything that i had said.



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McNabbShouldDie
08-15-2003, 09:24 PM
Congratualtions.

You have successfully missed the point of everything that i had said.

Well then spit it out and ill rip that apart too.


I feel stupid enough getting into this argument about what/when "punk" is/was around. Its stupid because none of us lived through that special time when all this began.

Now cant I remember this being a thread about Rancid's new album?

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TheMojoPin
08-16-2003, 09:28 AM
You asked me a question, so I answered. Remember: If your birthdate is correct, you were, what, 6 when that beloved "Blue Album" of yours came out?

You're talking yourself in circles. I wasn't trying to say you couldn't like the "Blue Album" because you were six when it came out. I have no doubt that you probably love it more than people who were almost three times your age when it came out (ie-me). There's no limit to when or how someone can love a particular type of music or band or album. Are you saying people who practically live and die by classical music can't ever REALLY know or enjoy it since they weren't alive during the time that it was new? I'm really NOT understanding what you're trying to "prove" here...

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TheMojoPin
08-16-2003, 09:33 AM
But researching and getting info about something you werent apart of just isnt the SAME as actually being there and living through it. Anyone can most certainly listen to The Clash or whoever and KNOW what theyre singing about but they cant truly understand what they felt.

Yes they can.

For a music lover, you're missing the most obvious thing here...

The music never changes. It'll always be the same. It doesn't matter how much the rest of the world can change, the music stays the same. I can get the EXACT SAME feeling of a Clash fan from 1977 because I'm listening to the SAME MUSIC. If you're thinking you have to be part of something larger and more social to actually enjoy the music or truly appreciate it, well, you and I are of different thinking.

And what about history written, spoken and recorded by the people that witnessed and experienced it? That's the very definition of a firsthand account, and that's usually what "modern history" consists of.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-16-2003, 09:53 AM
You're talking yourself in circles. I wasn't trying to say you couldn't like the "Blue Album" because you were six when it came out. I have no doubt that you probably love it more than people who were almost three times your age when it came out (ie-me). There's no limit to when or how someone can love a particular type of music or band or album. Are you saying people who practically live and die by classical music can't ever REALLY know or enjoy it since they weren't alive during the time that it was new? I'm really NOT understanding what you're trying to "prove" here...

Im not trying to prove anything. You asked me if i was 6 when the Blue Album came out and I answered your question. Thats all, stop trying to make everything into something.

The music never changes. It'll always be the same. It doesn't matter how much the rest of the world can change, the music stays the same. I can get the EXACT SAME feeling of a Clash fan from 1977 because I'm listening to the SAME MUSIC. If you're thinking you have to be part of something larger and more social to actually enjoy the music or truly appreciate it, well, you and I are of different thinking.

Sure, the music never changes. I know that, hell I listen to shit from the 80's and stuff. Itll never change, people change, society changes, the economy changes, but music stays the same. Let me take a past event for example, Pearl Harbor. Now I understand just people felt when that happened, but I will never be able to truly feel what it was like and truly understand the atmosphere of that timebecause I wasnt there. Maybe some people, like yourself, just have a better understand of what happened in the past but I just dont think you can feel the same way about something you werent apart of.

And what about history written, spoken and recorded by the people that witnessed and experienced it? That's the very definition of a firsthand account, and that's usually what "modern history" consists of.

Maybe I just got my definitions wrong here. I always first hand was actually being at the event or whatever and second hand was when you received the info from a source that was either at the particular event or a textbook/conversation/research.

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Drudge Jr.
08-16-2003, 09:55 AM
i agree that there's no punk like it was in 77-81, and from there it just tapered off until operation ivy broke up and that was really the end. but i think its also important to point out that there are a lot of decent punk acts in the underground, including leftover crack, the profits, toxic narcotic, molotov cocktail, they all embody the spirit of original punk but find a way to stay out of the mainstream. the problem is that its all nostalgia, punk will never be the way it was (was it even ever that way?) especially with all the mohawk sk8er assholes in the scene. i go to small venues for punk shows because i like the music and the dancing, but not because i think i'm in lthe london underground in 1979.

on a more on topic note, selling out is only trading the beliefs for money, in that case i really dont think rancid has sold out. a band that has sold out would be more like mxpx which was a christian sxe band. blink182 definatly didnt sell out because they never stood for anything.


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McNabbShouldDie
08-16-2003, 10:11 AM
on a more on topic note, selling out is only trading the beliefs for money

I can deal with that opinion of "selling out"as an extesion to my idea of it, which is changing your music to fit "whats cool", which in turn would be trading your beliefs and music for money.

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08-16-2003, 10:13 AM
but i think its also important to point out that there are a lot of decent punk acts in the underground, including leftover crack, the profits, toxic narcotic, molotov cocktail, they all embody the spirit of original punk but find a way to stay out of the mainstream.


I suggest you check out a band called Mouthwash. They got a bit o' ska to 'em, but you might like them.

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TheMojoPin
08-16-2003, 10:22 AM
Im not trying to prove anything. You asked me if i was 6 when the Blue Album came out and I answered your question. Thats all, stop trying to make everything into something.

Whoa, WHOA. The ONLY reason I brought that up was because YOU were basically implying that I couldn't fully understand/appreciate/"get" 70's punk because I was only three by the time it was over. I brought up YOUR age to show that it doesn't matter how old you are when a band or album is around as long as you can end up enjoying it at SOME point in your life. I'm only responding to something you brought up.

Let me take a past event for example, Pearl Harbor. Now I understand just people felt when that happened, but I will never be able to truly feel what it was like and truly understand the atmosphere of that timebecause I wasnt there. Maybe some people, like yourself, just have a better understand of what happened in the past but I just dont think you can feel the same way about something you werent apart of.

Yes and no. The difference is that with what I'm talking about I can still experience the focal point (the music) myself whenever I want. That would be the equivalent of being able to watch footage of Pearl Harbor that's even more explicit than 9/11. Yes, I'm not ACTUALLY there, but I'm basically seeing everything and my mind and emotions still adjust to what I'm seeing. You're right, I can't REALLY know what it was like to be at Pearl Harbor or alive in that time...but I can have the same feelings and thoughts stirred by the MUSIC of the time. That's the beauty of the music itself. It's timeless and means something to different to each listener, even if they're from the same era.

Look at it this way...I listen to TONS of British bands...but I don't live there. I don't experience the life and environment of these bands or their "homegrown" fans. But I see the band live whenever I can and go to their website and read everything about them and buy all of their albums. Am I REALLY not a part of that fanbase since I'm across the ocean and living in a different country with a different social climate and economic environment and government?

And a firsthand account is just what I said. A secondhand account would be if the witness told a friend and then the friend told me.





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TheMojoPin
08-16-2003, 10:28 AM
in that case i really dont think rancid has sold out.

Not necessarily. Part of Rancid's personality was that they were SO vocal against punk bands signing to major labels and supposedly "abandoning" labels like Epitaph. They had no problem slamming and talking smack about bands that supposedly sold out for major label money.

Personally, I don't care what a band signs to for how much money. I usually welcome it because I hope it gets more people listening to the band I love and gets them the attention they deserve. It DOES bother me when bands who are clearly opposed to doing something and then end up doing just that.

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Drudge Jr.
08-16-2003, 10:58 AM
if they did say that then i guess they did sell out.. i was assuming people were calling them sell outs for making bad music and putting it on mtv.

tim did sign f-minus, tiger army, and leftover crack to hellcat though... so i'm kind of conflicted

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fluffernutter
08-16-2003, 11:04 AM
Let the incessant ramblings begin:

If a band really has no passion behind whatever they play, that is selling out. Knowing that the Hot Topic kids will buy your tripe and not having a lick of emotion is the way of most of these bands anymore. Perfect example, the new Dr0pkick Murphy's. As emotionless as a bag of peanut shells.

I mean I can smell the shit a mile away usually. I really go after the bands on the smaller labels cause most times they have artistic freedom and no one over their shoulder telling them how to play. Sure many of these groups will never get BIG but they will continue to play emotional uncompromising music. I am not saying entirely that the Rancids of the world don't have emotion but I think the well has certainly run dry.

Quoting myself from before, bands have a shelf life of maybe 3 or 4 good records. In rare cases some bands move on and just keep on playing cause they like to play and enjoy writing and being CREATIVE (theres a shocker, music = creativity? NO! really?) while othgers just don't know when to quit.

NOFX has been around forever and I expect nothing from them cause they keep playing the same three chord shit every record. I understand that and that is what they do. Fine.

Sick Of It All has been around forever and I guess becasue they are already accomplished they can keep going. They have not gotten boring to me yet as they keep writing new shit and reinventing themselves. Yours Truly sounded nothing like Just Look Around but they still maintain the same integrity.

Other bands like Hot Water Music and Leather face swim around in the underground for years and years and continue to grow musically and lyrically and refuse to change for anyone. They just like to play music. They could give a shit less about sales. I think it is more reaching hearts than wallets. Granted HWM is on Epitaph now, they didn't really break sales records or anything with their latest record. They are just like their own entity. I hope no one ever listens to them and they never get popular cause they are my fucking baby.

DAMNIT!

H2O was cruising along nicely and then it was becoming obvious that they were changing (i.e. selling out) as they released GO on MCA a few years back. It was good but it didn't have the PUNCH that their other stuff did. The EP after that was terrible and not even the same band. Thankfully they are off MCA now and I think they may have woken up a bit and seen ok, we FORGOT our ROOTS and it is time to go back before we lose credibility.

Some bands never do this and keep thinking the grass is always greener. Sometimes it is and sometimes it is not.

When Bad Religion released Recipe For Hate that was a dual release on Epitaph (still small at the time) and Atlantic. That was still pretty constant for them. When Stranger Than Fiction came out after that solely on Atlantic that destroyed. It was a brilliant record. After that, Brett left to pursue Epitaph as a bigger entity and the following Atlantic records tanked. Now after all these years, BR puts out a new record on Epitaph (not that it matters) and they are a united force once more playing some really strong songs. I just hope they can continue.

After all that dribble, all I can say is I listen to music. I realise there are genres and subgenres of subgenres. I like my metal and my punk and my hardcore and my seriously fucked up shit. It has to rock me. Rock my ass thank you very much. There are many crossbreeds and hybrids of the basic metal and punk and hardcore and alternative. Everyone is gonna have their own opinion of what is right and wrong with what they listen to. Is that not what makes life great sometimes? Being different? Ther's a novel concept.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-16-2003, 11:19 AM
H2O was cruising along nicely and then it was becoming obvious that they were changing (i.e. selling out) as they released GO on MCA a few years back. It was good but it didn't have the PUNCH that their other stuff did. The EP after that was terrible and not even the same band. Thankfully they are off MCA now and I think they may have woken up a bit and seen ok, we FORGOT our ROOTS and it is time to go back before we lose credibility

Nice ramble there fluff, I just saw the H2O thing and wanna comment on it. Yknow, theyre my band and all and I didnt know anybody else here really listenend to them.

Yeah I mentioned before about H2O "selling out" with the last 2 releases(Go and All We Want). When they got off MCA they put something up on their site about how they got like 12 new songs, and Toby said they were "old school style." So Im hoping their next release is gonna be like Thicker Then Water or FTTW.

Anyone hear anything about that new band Hazen St.? I know its gonna have Toby from H2O and like Freddy from Madball or something. Should be good.

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08-16-2003, 11:23 AM
Not to say I am more cooler than you (althoguh I am. AHEM!) I (nyah nyah nyah) have been with H20 since 96 when they played the Wetlands with AF and Maximum Penalty.

Seriously though, I have loved them for so long and I hope and pray sometihing resembling the Blackout release comes forth. FTTW or Thicker would be nice but the self titled is the one that got my heart racing.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-16-2003, 11:36 AM
Well excuse me for being in 2nd grade when H2O put out there first cd, SAW-REE!

To be honest, I dont have the self titled album. I know, its embarassing, but I did hear it all, I just dont own it yet. Shun me all you want. Here Today, Gone Tomorrow and 5 Year Plan are still two of my favorite songs.

I would most like a new album of theirs to be like FTTW. That album is so great I cant even explain the level of arouse-ment I get when i hear it.

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grlNIN
08-16-2003, 09:11 PM
McNabb, start broadening your musical horizons.

Then get back to us.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-16-2003, 09:19 PM
McNabb, start broadening your musical horizons.

Then get back to us.

Thanks.

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Broaden MY horizons? Hahaha! You should see the shit I listen to.

I go from listening to REM to Sick of it All to Rooney to fuckin Madcap all in a days work. If I go any broader Ill be grooving to friggin David Hasselhoff.

If you wanna say shit about me get to know me first.

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fluffernutter
08-16-2003, 09:26 PM
Well excuse me for being in 2nd grade when H2O put out there first cd, SAW-REE!


I sure hope you weren't taking my bragging there as serious cause I was FAR from being serious. I was fucking around. I got this sense of humor that is quite warped which is why I love the diversity of the Happy Flowers (Virginia noise kings), Einsturzende Neubauten (German industrial pioneers) and Ween (the rainbow pride of New Hope, PA). I am out there.

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TheMojoPin
08-16-2003, 09:29 PM
I go from listening to REM to Sick of it All to Rooney to fuckin Madcap all in a days work. If I go any broader Ill be grooving to friggin David Hasselhoff.

Dude, not to bust your balls at all, but outside of REM, those are all basically bands dwelling in the VERY same sound. Fine bands and all, but they probably weren't the best to pick to show off your musical diversity.

Ah, fuck it. No matter how I put it, I still sound like a prick. But I'm REALLY not trying to be one here. Honest.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-16-2003, 09:32 PM
I sure hope you weren't taking my bragging there as serious cause I was FAR from being serious. I was fucking around. I got this sense of humor that is quite warped which is why I love the diversity of the Happy Flowers (Virginia noise kings), Einsturzende Neubauten (German industrial pioneers) and Ween (the rainbow pride of New Hope, PA). I am out there.

I wasnt, dont worry. This whole boards about messing around, aint it? Its just kinda hard to show sarcasm, and for that matter, any emotion at all over the computer(other then smileys). Thats why I hate talking online.

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grlNIN
08-16-2003, 09:37 PM
I go from listening to REM to Sick of it All to Rooney to fuckin Madcap all in a days work. If I go any broader Ill be grooving to friggin David Hasselhoff.

Ok....i can't even address this statement.





Ah, fuck it. No matter how I put it, I still sound like a prick. But I'm REALLY not trying to be one here. Honest.


Nah, you really don't sound like a prick in THIS thread.

:)

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McNabbShouldDie
08-16-2003, 09:37 PM
Dude, not to bust your balls at all, but outside of REM, those are all basically bands dwelling in the VERY same sound. Fine bands and all, but they probably weren't the best to pick to show off your musical diversity.


I gotta disagree with you AGAIN. Cmon man, you think ROONEY and SICK OF IT ALL have the same sound? Sick of it All is like hardcore shit and Rooney is like, I dont know, like 1970's rock and roll. TOTALLY different sound when it does into my ears.

(I know youre not trying to be a prick, we just got ALOT of musical differences. Its all good though.)

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TheMojoPin
08-16-2003, 09:40 PM
Actually, you're right. For some reason I was thinking of Face To Face intead of Sick of It All. Go figure.

So, yeah, that's a pretty diverse rock selection. Kinda. It IS still rooted mostly in a general "punk" grouping except for REM. Ah well, they're all pretty decent (Except for those Rooney guys, but that's just me)...

Now bring DA FUNK.

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TheMojoPin
08-16-2003, 09:43 PM
Nah, you really don't sound like a prick in THIS thread.

I don't think that's possible.

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grlNIN
08-16-2003, 09:46 PM
I don't think that's possible.



You're right. You are SUCH the dick.

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TheMojoPin
08-16-2003, 09:55 PM
Flattery will get you nowhere.

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fluffernutter
08-16-2003, 10:04 PM
Thats why I hate talking online.


Same here. OOH! Look, I am typing online again. A phone or perhaps a telegram would be so much simpler. Western Union? Anyone?

When Sick Of It All starts to get mentioned then I take shit personal. Whomever these Rooney characters are, I don't know. I am not too up on "the current major label fodder put out to only make money" this week. Anyway, they do seem to be under the same flag.

I would call diversity listening to the SOIA followed by a nice platter of Parliament followed by some Thin Lizzy and maybe a hint of Depeche Mode or New Order followed by some Sisters. Thats just me though.

Speaking of which, I gotta take off this new Thursday record and listen to some Pearls & Brass.



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grlNIN
08-16-2003, 10:10 PM
Flattery will get you nowhere.


And that is why i will die poor and alone.




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08-16-2003, 10:18 PM
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TheMojoPin
08-16-2003, 10:19 PM
I would call diversity listening to the SOIA followed by a nice platter of Parliament followed by some Thin Lizzy and maybe a hint of Depeche Mode or New Order followed by some Sisters. Thats just me though.

HUZZAH!!!

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FMJeff
08-18-2003, 05:35 AM
By the way, the Rancid Pink Girls Rib Tank is now available at Hot Topic, right next to the Good Charlotte Tattoo Art Muscle Tee.

http://www.hottopic.com/Assets/product_images/lg/360245_lg.jpg

Suck a dick McNabb. They sold out. Music and soul. I'm not going to stand for any further debate on it. NOFX did fine without marketing thier clothing to the biggest poser store in the country.

They allowed thier record company to use punk as a marketing platform to sell music and clothing and THAT is what makes them sellouts in my book because THAT is what killed punk...the commercialization. HOW CAN YOU BE PUNK WHEN YOU CAN PURCHASE YOUR "DO IT YOURSELF PUNK KIT" AT YOUR LOCAL MALL? Rancid should have respect for the genre as to make sure nothing like this happens to the music, but unfortunately they don't give a shit. There goes my respect for them.

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fluffernutter
08-18-2003, 06:42 AM
Isn't the didlo (broomstick, carrot, whatever) supposed to be removed before getting dressed.

Someone looks a bit uncomfortable.

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dingo
08-30-2003, 08:13 AM
Has anyone heard the album yet. I like it and in my opinion it is going to disapoint lots of the pop punk fans, there might be one more song that gets played on the radio but i don't think so. It is way less pop than out come the wolves as a whole i still perfer lets go to the new one but the sound is not that comerical so just give it a try

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 08:39 AM
I got the new album, had it pre-ordered. I love it. People on this board say Rancid sold out or whatever, fuck off. The music is still great and thats what counts. I could care less if theyre hanging out with Kelly Osbourne or the Good Charlotte guy. Its been a rocky couple of years for the guys in Rancid and this album is definetly the most personal and emotional of all of Rancid's cd's.

Rancid brings everything to this album, and it really shows. Their best album since 'And Out Come the Wolves', I dont think ANYONE could argue that.

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TheMojoPin
08-30-2003, 09:13 AM
Their best album since 'And Out Come the Wolves'

It's not.

I dont think ANYONE could argue that.

I just did, Declareity McDeclarealot.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 09:22 AM
It's not.

Youve got to be kidding. Life Wont Wait couldnt take a piss next to Indestructible. And the 2000 self-titled isnt even worth mentioning.

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TheMojoPin
08-30-2003, 09:32 AM
Fine, if you want to put it that way, yes it IS the best album since "...Wolves".

But being the best album out of 4 albums of ASS is not something to be happy with. It's like saying Stalin was a slightly nicer evil bastard than Hitler.

Whatever. Go enjoy your album. It's all yours, Pitfall Harry.

And actually, it's not better than "Life Won't Wait". I'm in the EXTREME minority, but I easily think that that album is their 2nd best, if not best, work to date.

See? We're all retarded when it comes to Rancid. What are we doing listening to a band called "Rancid" in the first place?

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TeRRoR
08-30-2003, 09:34 AM
man... this thread has become so funny... where have i been missing all the action.

"scene this" "scene that" "punk this" "punk that".

man, im not claiming "oldschool" here... but i've been listening to this shit and goin to shows since 1990. and im just really f'n amazed and couldnt help but laugh.

people need to learn, MUSICAL TASTE IS ALL ABOUT OPINION.

i think h20 sucks. the only time i saw them that i thought they were good was at city gardens and the wetlands in 94 when toby would scream.

h20 has(well had) that "posi" sound to them. i never liked them. i have always been more into and drawn into the more hardcore scene known as the "chugga chugga". let me define that for you. it isnt the hardcore that sounds like it is going "chugga". but it was refering to the "toughguy hardcore".

granted, i first got into punk... but i made that transition over to hardcore.. thats where my heart is. i still love my skinhead music too.(i aint getting into it, if you dont know about it, and not what the media tells you... dont say a f'n word you tool).

but if you are going to talk about 77 punk. you had bands like 999 who fuckin rocked the house. who i thought were 10 times better then the clash.

i remember when this "scene" was a place we actually called "home". but now, it is a glorified piece of shit that the youth fucks up today. I've seen the punk scene die, then get reborn, then die, then get reborn. thats how it is.

same with hardcore. right now, the hardcore scene is dead. it is this "posi, lets hold hands" scene. a big fuck you goes out to the bulk of the hardcore scene for losing all it's honesty and becoming a haven for priveledged, suburban, upwardly mobile, pampered, college bound, pre-yuppie elitists who have no adversity in their lives and nothing to be angry about. this music is supposed to be from the streets. it is supposed to be played for and played by people for whom poverty, oppression, violence, hopelesness, despair and pain aren't just concepts you read about in the class room. for some people these words hold the horror of the world and are a daily reality.

people do not have a concept of it. to me, it is just like these white kids that pretend they are black(i still love you though aggie).

but yes, music is music... like what you like. but realize, there are people out there that cant help where they are at. if you like the music, you like it... if oyu dont... then you dont. granted, say what you want about it. but dont start saying shit about the "history" really unless someone has ABSOLUTELY no clue what they are talking about, or if you were there... and if you were there... you really wouldnt talk about it... you would just sit back and let that person make a laughin stock out of themself....

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 09:41 AM
Yeah, they have fallen since the Rancid we knew in 1995 but its still good music, and again, thats what matters.

Listen, this is all just a matter of opinion and what you like and what I like. You dont Rancid these days, I do, big deal.

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TheMojoPin
08-30-2003, 09:46 AM
people do not have a concept of it. to me, it is just like these white kids that pretend they are black(i still love you though aggie).

So were all the black kids into the original hardcore scene back in the day just pretending to be white?

And let me sum up the rest of your post...

THE FIRST RULE OF PUNK: You do NOT talk about punk.

THE SECOND RULE OF PUNK: You do not TALK about punk.

Thank you.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 09:50 AM
And let me sum up the rest of your post...

THE FIRST RULE OF PUNK: You do NOT talk about punk.

THE SECOND RULE OF PUNK: You do not TALK about punk.

Mojo, buddy, looking back on this thread, youre like the only one talking about punk. And how punk was only from 77-81 or whatever, and how only certain bands were punk.

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TeRRoR
08-30-2003, 10:32 AM
people do not have a concept of it. to me, it is just like these white kids that pretend they are black(i still love you though aggie).

So were all the black kids into the original hardcore scene back in the day just pretending to be white?

And let me sum up the rest of your post...

THE FIRST RULE OF PUNK: You do NOT talk about punk.

THE SECOND RULE OF PUNK: You do not TALK about punk.

Thank you.


i cant tell sarcasm... i suck like that... i meant all the little white suburban kids that wish they were DMX and jayz...

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onogs33
08-30-2003, 10:59 AM
Does anyone realize ALL PUNK SOUNDS THE SAME!!!!!!!!!! Its Awful!

McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 11:25 AM
Does anyone realize ALL PUNK SOUNDS THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!


No, I didnt realize it.

Maybe because my ears expand beyond the group of cool MTV punker bands that sound the same and get played on mainstream TV/radio.

Or maybe not. Whichever.

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TheMojoPin
08-30-2003, 11:29 AM
And how punk was only from 77-81 or whatever, and how only certain bands were punk.

Yes, it was.

As I said, everything else since has been something else. Doesn't make it bad. Just different.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 11:36 AM
Yeah, but the point I was trying to prove was that you kept Dr0pping the "punk" bomb while then saying that people shouldnt talk about punk.

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keithy_19
08-30-2003, 11:51 AM
hmm...I don't get it. Even if Rancid did "sell out", which they didn't, the album is still great. I hate that talk about people selling out. For me, if I like the music I don't care if they get played on the radio or make music video's or change record lables. Fuck that, if the music is good, who cares?

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 11:53 AM
who cares?


FMJeff and Mojo ;)

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TeRRoR
08-30-2003, 11:55 AM
hmm...I don't get it. Even if Rancid did "sell out", which they didn't, the album is still great. I hate that talk about people selling out. For me, if I like the music I don't care if they get played on the radio or make music video's or change record lables. Fuck that, if the music is good, who cares?


and like i will say...

IF SOMEONE GOES AND WAVES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN YOUR FACE, WHAT THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO?

fuck the scene, fuck the people... give me my money. i dont care. because you can still do what you like, sure... you gotta follow rules... but see, this is why you see many of these big bands have "side projects". signing a contract is a very hard thing to do, you just gotta know what you want in it.

like i said... I WILL SELL OUT IN A SECOND... in my eyes... all my fans are dollar signs... think like a f'n stripper

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TheMojoPin
08-30-2003, 11:58 AM
Yeah, but the point I was trying to prove was that you kept Dr0pping the "punk" bomb while then saying that people shouldnt talk about punk.

Wow.

Terror's post always make "punk" sound like it's some kind of "Fight Club"-like society.

NOW LEAVE ME ALONE. I've got to go and keep hating the new Rancid.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 12:07 PM
This is a great example of why I hate labeling. People like you Mojo sit around and try to find out what music is real punk and what isnt, and make 100's of genre's of music. Here's an idea, why dont you just try to enjoy the music for what it is, music. Everything doesnt have to have groups or genres.

And you hating Rancid isnt getting to me at all. Havent I mentioned like 5 times that everyone has different musical tastes and its cool if you dont like a band and someone else does?

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08-30-2003, 12:11 PM
For everyone bashing rancid has anyone heard the album yet or just the Single cause the single doen't sound like anything else on the album

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TeRRoR
08-30-2003, 12:19 PM
HEY CHUMPS... labeling will ALWAYS exist. get over it. i cant stand this "i dont believe in labels. because everyone does it. and if you say you do not... you are a hypocrite.

so just because puff daddy appeared in a punk video once... that makes him punk ?

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 12:31 PM
HEY CHUMPS... labeling will ALWAYS exist. get over it. i cant stand this "i dont believe in labels. because everyone does it. and if you say you do not... you are a hypocrite.


Thank you for successfully proving why I specifically put "why I hate labeling."

I hate labeling because almost all of the time the generalization is false. I rarely find myself labeling music and when I do it is broad labels, like rock, rap, jazz, etc. I could honestly care less what music is "street R&B" or when "real emo" existed.

so just because puff daddy appeared in a punk video once... that makes him punk ?

Why does it matter? If it was a punk video after 1980 it wasnt real punk, DUH!

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TeRRoR
08-30-2003, 12:57 PM
thats not what i said... i said, EVERYTHING is labeled... everyone does labeling. so stop making such a big deal out of it. everyone labels... if it isnt genre of music, it is how a person looks. if it isnt how a person looks, it is how the person talks.

WHO CARES

label.. have fun! we all label. big f'n deal, like i said. everyone labels, and you may hate it... but you do it. you may call someone an asshole, thats labeling.

it really seems that little kids ALWAYS use the whole "label" angle.

once you get older, you dont care... unless this is your life... and if that is the truth... you are just pathetic... and someone deserves to slap some common sense into your head

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TeRRoR
08-30-2003, 01:01 PM
and also... i'd rather have labeling. if i am in a music store... i dont want to be looking in a hardcore section or a metal section and then coming across an "outkast" album. Outkast, the name can fit almost any genre of music. Say someone has never paid attention to music what so ever, and wants a good rap album and see's black sabbath in there. hey... it has the word "black" and sabbath can kinda sound ghetto..

because how would you know who they are if you are looking for something new(also think before you had napster and what not and didnt have the web at your finger tips).

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 01:25 PM
Maybe labeling wasnt the best word. What I was trying to get at was that I dont like grouping(better?) music into genre's. Same goes with school, why do people feel the need to group certain kids into groups of jocks, or skaters, or goths. Half the time the grouping is TOTALLY wrong anyway, which I think may trigger my hatred for most group/genres of people or music..because, THEYRE ALL USUALLY WRONG. I mean I listen to all types of rock, rap, anything really, but most of what I listen to is what people call punk, some ska, and some hardcore. But then if a friend comes over to my house thinking I'm some cool skater, then he sees my Millenium Hip Hop Party or Run DMC or Squirrel Nut Zippers CD's and are like "Huh?"

And I agree, I like to have sections in music stores for rock and rap and country and jazz or whatever, but when you walk into a record store do you really need there to be 200 sections of music because wacko's like to make a genre of music for every band out there?

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TheMojoPin
08-30-2003, 02:50 PM
Except nobody's doing that here.

And everytime you say that *I* say everything after '81 isn't "real punk", you're trying to make it sound like I'm slamming any of these post-'81 bands. I'm not, as I've said several times now.

Different genres of music exist. Accept this. Punk in that little period was something totally new and different and intense and it burned itself out very quickly. As most modern genres do...see "grunge" for another example. But the key here is that the 70's punk was completely new, made in response to bloated, production-heavy music of the time. IT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE. Anything that was an offshoot of that initial movement was started with the idea that punk had already existed and that they wanted to be like that or sound like that. It's all derivative. THIS ISN'T A BAD THING. That's just how it works. It's a different movement, again and again.

And think of them that way. If you think of "electronica" or "grunge" or "punk" as movements as opposed to being labels or genres, it does make a little more sense and makes those terms a whole lot less horrible.

In a sense, I'm trying to run with your whole "no labels" schtick by saying that what's been around in the last 20 years ISN'T punk in the classic sense. It's a bunch of other styles or movements or genres, which is even cooler than just calling it all "punk" and feeling good about yourself.

You've got the '77-'81 stuff, which broke into all kinds of music, from new wave to power pop to 80's metal. Then the hardcore kinda came in, and even that quickly broke into different groups, from emo to whatever the hell Bad Brains did. Then you had the "alterna-punk" stuff that the Pixies did and Nirvana joined in on. Then you had the mid-90's stuff like Green Day and Screeching Weasel and Rancid that took the sounds of the classic bands like The Ramones and The Clash and streamlined them. Now you have pop punk-ish groups of today who do everything from getting as bubblegum as possible to playing it straightforward as possible to cramming all different styles of music together into a "punk" sound. Yes, it's all linked, but only the barest, most incestuous ways possible. These sounds are all too different to be mushed together or considered the same, or even under the same musical "umbrella". Hence why I seperate '77-'81 from everything else. It's not a putdown. It's just common sense for anyone with a pair of working ears.

And the next person who comes in her complaining about a non-existent "punker than thou" argument gets their ears boxed. Seriously.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 03:24 PM
And everytime you say that *I* say everything after '81 isn't "real punk", you're trying to make it sound like I'm slamming any of these post-'81 bands.

No I'm not, just needed to get that out of the way.

These sounds are all too different to be mushed together or considered the same, or even under the same musical "umbrella".

I see. So Sick of it All, Rooney, and Madcap are all alike and can be put under the same umbrella according to you, but Rancid, the Clash, and The Pixies cant? I would probably put Rancid, the Clash, and The Pixies under the same umbrella before SOIA, Rooney, and Madcap. But hey, thats just me.

I dont have much more to say on this subject, so I'll sum everything up right here and wait for somebody to post something I object to:

I dont like people making a genre for every three bands that come out. All it does is make people argue about what bands fit into what genres and what dont. Its annoying, very annoying. You know, Mojo, you group who you want where you want. I dont care, I'm just not gonna do it.

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grlNIN
08-30-2003, 03:30 PM
This thread is STILL going?


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Seriously, everyone made their own valid points i think it's time that we let this go....



Let if fall to the bottom...



Let it Fade...



LEAVE NOW!

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TheMojoPin
08-30-2003, 03:56 PM
I see. So Sick of it All, Rooney, and Madcap are all alike and can be put under the same umbrella according to you

In terms of similar sound? Yes. Except for Rooney. I told you, I was retardedly thinking of Face To Face when you said Sick of It All. I have no idea why. BUT EVEN THE FUCK SO...that's NOT variety. No, they DON'T fall under the same "umbrella", no they DON'T represent a wide range of music. Neither does listening to Rancid, The Pixies and The Clash. In a HUGE world of music, that's limiting someone to a teensy-tiny corner of non-variety. You're knowingly arguing two very different points of mine as one, I call shenanigans, this case is thrown OUT of court, you're jailed for contempt...GOOD DAY, SIR.

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McNabbShouldDie
08-30-2003, 04:03 PM
BUT EVEN THE FUCK SO...that's NOT variety.


Yeah, like you said before it wasnt the best couple of bands to show my musical diversity. I forgot to agree with you there in an earlier post, sorry.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread too. Its been fun and I'm glad I got a better look at all the poster's views and opinions on whatever we were talking about the past 115 posts.

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08-30-2003, 04:10 PM
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08-31-2003, 12:34 AM
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Music isn't fun anymore.

I will be selling my collection. Too much thought required anymore.

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