Observing 9/11: Second Anniversary

[mdr55]

Pretty soon 9/11 will be here again. I'm not sure what I'll be doing that day. But I've been reading in the paper that it will be a more subdued observance than last year in NYC.
The "Lights" will be returning.
Bells will ring throughout the city at the exact moment of when all the stuff happened.
They will be having children calling out the names of the people who past away that day.
Organizations are organizing a day of "Voluteerism".
Etc.

I know that only 2 years have past but I'm looking into the future, let's say 10-20 years from now.
Will the significance of the date change for upcoming generations? How many people observe Dec. 7 (attack on Pearl Harbor) anymore.

Ron and Fez always comment on how Holidays lose their meanings as time goes by. People think of holidays as a day off from work, a day to barbeque, going to the beach, stuff like that.

Another thing (maybe Aggie can help), since what happened all took place on the East Coast, what's the rest of the nation's stance on observing 9/11? Is it a brief pause of silence? It's like when stuff happens elsewhere (Hurricane, flooding, earthquake, catastrope), I know it doesn't affect me as much. But because it happened here, I feel different.
Like how when all this stuff happened to us on 9/11, many countries were "with us" but now not as much.
Or like how visitors come to NY and visit Ground Zero like it's a tourist attraction. Sure they come to "observe", but at the same time they take video and "Happy" pictures on a place where people have died. And purchase "9/11" souvinors like "I was at ground Zero"T-shirt at the various people selling stuff there.

I'm just concerned that down the road, people will forget what happened on 9/11 as time goes by. Like when people talk about WWII, WWI, etc. If you didn't live or experience it, you don't hold it as dear as it should.

God bless all the people who are no longer with us as a result of what happened on 9/11. Be it in DC, PA or NY. Amen.

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This message was edited by mdr55 on 9-9-03 @ 11:35 AM

[Death Metal Moe]

We'll probably remember this 10 or 20 years in the future. It will stay with us all.

I bet the people who were alive during Peral Harbor remember it more then us.

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[Melrapuo]

yea, everyone who's actually experienced the event will probably still remember it and honor the date in about 10-20 years. nobody will ever forget that day. but it'll be those who weren't alive when it happened or were too young to remember it occurring will probably be the ones that don't recognize it as such an important and tragic day to honor. Its sad, but its also sorta human nature. Those that weren't around to see it happen would be the ones that won't hold it so close to our hearts as we do today, but you can't exactly blame them for it.

as for the rest of us that HAVE experienced it, we will still honor it and treat it as a day of remembrance. it happened too close to home and too close to our hearts to forget about it.

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[monsterone]

being in the metro area when the attacks happened, the memory of that day will still come back to me vividly and honestley i get choked up still. shit, even when i was in the city for st paddy's day and seeing the towers of light put a spike through my heart. i don't think it's anything i can "move on" from and any type of commercial exploits that might happen in the future will always be in bad taste- there won't be a day off from work or bbq's.

atleast the resentment toward arab americans have subsided somewhat, but now there is an "american rally-point" which we as a nation haven't had in quite a long time.

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[Snoogans]

obviously, no one can forget what happened, and by early sept, we will all be aware and readying memorials.
But did anyone else notice how fast time went this year. I saw this thread and was like holy shit, its almost september again

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[Furtherman]

How many people observe Dec. 14 (attack on Pearl Harbor) anymore.


As serious as this post is, that quote is funny, but slyly proves a point.

Pearl Habor was attacked on December 7th, 1941.

[Snoogans]

i know what you mean. its a big deal now, but everyone will forget eventually. it sounds bad, but is actually neccessary. though we do have to pay respects, you cant dwell on things forever. then people just become miserable

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This message was edited by mdr55 on 9-9-03 @ 11:36 AM

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Right. Mistaking the date allofasudden becomes a slyly proven point. Right.

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[Teenweek]

Pearl Habor was attacked on December 7th, 1941.


Thanks for proving my point. Your the 1st one to pick up on it.



I guess people will think it was 7/11 instead of 9/11 in a few years going by your logic.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

50 years from now it'll be sorta like Pearl Harbor is to us today. But since it was a civilian target with more victims it will have a bigger presence.

It'll be observered, but as the people who were alive during 2001 pass on and people who just read about it, it won't be as big an impact as it is to us. (And I don't think people will EVER get the date wrong, maybe the year but 9/11 is hard to forget, escpecially for porsche fans :p)

People all over the world will have the memory of 9/11 in their minds for a LONG time.

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[Furtherman]

In 50 years, I fear that there will be a couple more dates of rememberance.

[high fly]

I was thinking it'll be remembered about like Pearl Harbor, but now I think it'll have less of an impact, because after Pearl Harbor we had our entire nation mobilised for war for nearly 4 years. A large percentage of the men were in uniform (16 million).
During those years there was constant news that held emotional highs and lows for our people, as well as constant reminders, daily, in the news, there was rationing, mail from servicemen, bond drives, speaking tours by war heroes and recycling drives.
These things and more combined to make a greater psychological impact upon the people of that time.


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[mdr55]

George Bush won't be at Ground Zero....he's sending the VP instead.

VP to be present at Ground Zero ceremonies (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/114953p-103715c.html)

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[Mike Teacher]

Wow, amazing; the Yin to another threads Yang. And the ill-will and animosity in that one are no where to be found here.

This is Significant.

As to the point someone was trying to make,

I said this in another thread, so to make a long story short, a kid I grew up with and worked with, Paul K. was in the first tower as part of the FDNY and killed.

Having met some widows and widowers, I can say this:

Some of them want to Move On.

Of course they will never forget. Neither will We. The problem is that some of the families of the victims just do Not want to reminded again and again.

They don't want to hear about it; they heard things that I can't begin to imagine.

They don't want to see the images again ever ever ever ever ever ever...

They do Not want a memorial Service for their Son/Father/Mother/Daughter.

They want to Move On.

I use this phrase on purpose. Because it implies an action, a decision. Many of the people around the disaster, those who lost loved ones, even two years later, aren't dealing with what to do about memorials and how to remember. They're trying to explain to there kid why Daddy or Mommy isn't around anymore, once again being reminded that THEY can't explain it to Themselves, because their loved one was vaporized and nothing of them has ever been found. Nothing.

One widow said they robbed me of my Husband's Life, why are they robbing me of his Death?

She wants to Move On.

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I'm going to a concert that night, Dave Matthews in Hershey Park, but i guarentee not a minute will go by on that day that i won't remember what happend 2 years ago.

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[DC Reed]

9/11

How do you observe something as terrible as this day? For the rest of my life every year, when its 9/11 ill be thinking about where I was when it happened, and how it affected us as a nation.

I think the best way to observe 9/11 is to always remeber it, but also to continue our daily schedules. The Terrorist's who launched the attacks wanted to stop america, stop commerce, stop our daily lives and stop our pride in our country. On 9/11 they did just that, they stunned us, and life seemed to have stopped that day.

The next day, America did what it did every morning. It went to work, it went to class (except for schools in the NY and DC area) It pretty much made the attacks pointless. They wanted to stop us, and we kept going. It was a hard month or two, for some a year, but we kept going on, and thats what we should do every 9/11.

9/11 is best observed behind your office desk, behind a school desk, helping another person out, being with your family and just being happy that we get to live in a free nation.

Now, granted if you lost a close friend or family member in the attacks, by all means take the day off, do whatever you feel is proper. But i believe if you weren't directly affected, goto work, cause when you do that on 9/11 its a slap in the Terrorists face.

Thats how im gonna observe this year and every year after that.

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[Def Dave in SC]

Thanks for proving my point. Your the 1st one to pick up on it.


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Anyway, Its gonna be real hard for everyone who wasnt directly affected by 9-11 to keep this memory alive.

If there is nothing intensly personal about the date, the memory will start to fade, and eventually we will be barbequeing in "rememberance" of the victims.

But, hey, whats more American than that, right?

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[FMJeff]

How many people observe Dec. 14 (attack on Pearl Harbor) anymore.


You're really on a 9/11 kick today huh, Mdr55?

Pearl Harbor was a military tragedy, and it is still observed by retired sailors and pilots from both sides of the fight to this day. I don't know what you're trying to say, but I'm sure it was borne out of ignorance.


Like how when all this stuff happened to us on 9/11, many countries were "with us" but now not as much.
Or like how visitors come to NY and visit Ground Zero like it's a tourist attraction. Sure they come to "observe", but at the same time they take video and "Happy" pictures on a place where people have died. And purchase "9/11" souvinors like "I was at ground Zero"T-shirt at the various people selling stuff there.


Some people are assholes, what can I tell you?. This was a small percentage of the population. Unfortunately their behavior was the most shocking. They don't report on the people who were there in quiet remembrance and prayer. Stop dismissing the people of this country based on the behavior of some ill mannered few.


I'm just concerned that down the road, people will forget what happened on 9/11 as time goes by. Like when people talk about WWII, WWI, etc.

You're an idiot. Nobody in our lifetime in this country will forget. And what the hell do you mean "like when people talk about WWII, WWI, etc?


If you didn't live or experience it, you don't hold it as dear as it should.


No fucking shit. Why should you? That's human nature. If I felt for every possible catastrophe in this world, I'd be an emotional wreck. I empathize, understand the significance of, and fear a repeat of 9/11, because I was an hour away from ground zero. Some dipshit in Bangladesh doesn't have to care. It's not his country. His country has its own problems.
It's American arrogance to think 9/11 should be the most important thing on everyone's mind for the rest of time. My Indian friend told me the amount of people that die on 9/11 happens every year from bombings by Pakistani terrorists.


God bless all the people who are no longer with us as a result of what happened on 9/11. Be it in DC, PA or NY.


Fuck God. Where was he when those planes smashed into those buildings. Read a fucking book dude.


Amen.


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[Gvac]

Very classy post, Jeff. Way to show respect to a fellow member, and to those who have some deeply held beliefs.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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