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Heavy
08-22-2003, 03:15 PM
We've talked about this awhile ago but now I want to conduct a scientific study! Praise be to the polls!
Now the good thing about this is that you have 2 choices. I was going to add things like "Pro-choice, only for rape or incest" but no, you have but 2 choices now. Of course you can add whatever you want in text, but ultimatly you go one way or the other.
So if you had the final word, what would the law be?
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Heavy
08-22-2003, 05:06 PM
9 votes and only 1 had the balls to post. Pussies.
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08-22-2003, 05:11 PM
Let the babies live. We never know who we could be bringing into this world. Create Life.
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canofsoup15
08-22-2003, 05:28 PM
Pro-Life
Babies should live, with adoption and foster families, why must you kill off life of a child. Fuck, your abortion could be on the next Jason Giambi or Albert Einstein, but youll never know that if you abort.
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08-22-2003, 05:34 PM
could be the next Charles Manson too
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samnyc
08-22-2003, 05:40 PM
I resent people who use cite their personal religious beliefs to limit our common rights. That anti-abortion guy who hangs out in front of the Conde Nast building in the mornings has such bad taste. This is one area in which I still feel quite liberal though it's clearly not the most important of the issues we're currently facing. While I don't care if someone wants to get an abortion, if you're going to do it please do it in the first trimester, for everyone's benefit.
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canofsoup15
08-22-2003, 05:41 PM
...good point...
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Reephdweller
08-22-2003, 05:47 PM
As much as I value human life, I think the ultimate decision should belong in the hands of the mother to decide. So I choose pro-choice.
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phixion
08-22-2003, 05:52 PM
pro-choice. the way i see it, if a girl doenst want to have a baby she won't. and i prefer thsi procedure occuring in a sterile facility by a doctor, than a girl shoving a wire hanger up her vagina, or a 'dr' performing in the back of an alley. no point in losing the child and the mother.
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Mike Teacher
08-22-2003, 05:54 PM
Pro-Choice
Pro-Life
I don't believe these are the only two positions/options.
And IMHO, are horrific obfuscations.
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canofsoup15
08-22-2003, 05:58 PM
I agree with the above post, but because there were only two choices I picked pro-life.
It all depends on the situation.
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DemonPenquin
08-22-2003, 06:00 PM
Pro-choice but with regulations. If a chick gets preg cause she didnt practice safe sex her own damn fault. But if she was raped or something failed then if she dont want it its all good.
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UnknownPD
08-22-2003, 06:06 PM
The problem with abortion is like everything else in this country. The people most affected by it have little to do with the laws made to regulate it. We've got whackos on the left and right telling us what we should believe about abortions when most people agree..abortions should be legal, but there could be some common sense limits.
2BigFeet
08-22-2003, 06:13 PM
I believe that the choice is entirely up to the woman involved.
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Disúgrunútled
08-22-2003, 06:21 PM
I chose pro-life but I do not think abortion should be illegal. A woman should be given complete information on every other choice she could have. BUT abortion should not be used as a form of birth control as some women use it.
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08-22-2003, 06:22 PM
Pro-choice depending on the situation.
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Heavy
08-22-2003, 06:37 PM
Half you people are carzy. The ones that are pro life are just wrong, and the rest of you seem to think the child only has one parent, and %100 of the choice should be hers. Bah!
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Zoefus
08-22-2003, 07:05 PM
When men can get prenant then they can have a say in the matter. If the man wasn't smart enough to use protection, tough shit.
Death Metal Moe
08-22-2003, 07:30 PM
Pro Abortion. Let's not candy coat it.
Some children should not be born. Period.
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phixion
08-22-2003, 07:36 PM
Some children should not be born. Period.
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NewYorkDragons80
08-22-2003, 07:40 PM
I am a Republican Libertarian. If gays want to marry, join the military, or adopt, let 'em in. If a terminally ill individual wants to die, the government should allow it. But NOBODY, man or woman, has any right to impede the right of a child to live.
The ones that are pro life are just wrong
That's the kind of intelligent debate I like to see.
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Heavy
08-22-2003, 07:52 PM
When men can get prenant then they can have a say in the matter.
You'll be the first one bitching about responsiblity when youre sitting home with the kid and the pops wants to go somewhere, do something, whatever......"I didnt make this baby on my own!!"
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CaptClown
08-22-2003, 08:00 PM
Get them before they get here and become a problem. Get them after they have proven themselves a problem.
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Snoogans
08-22-2003, 08:03 PM
i cant believe anyone couldnt think its up to a woman to do what she wants with her body. i you wanna pierce your ear, its up to you. its up to that woman to do what she wants. its a damn constitutional right
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Alice S. Fuzzybutt
08-22-2003, 10:06 PM
To be honest, I have no idea how I'd react if I found out I was pregnant.
It depends on the situation and the realtionship.
Hence, there is no way I could judge another women's choice.
I used to go to Planned Parenthood for gyno exams when I didn't have insurance. The second I stepped off the elevator, I had to go through a metal detector. LUDICROUS!!!!!! And scary.
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Death Metal Moe
08-22-2003, 10:12 PM
Some children should not be born. Period.
if there was an rf.net president i would vote for you.
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Melrapuo
08-22-2003, 10:18 PM
Pro-choice but with regulations. If a chick gets preg cause she didnt practice safe sex her own damn fault. But if she was raped or something failed then if she dont want it its all good.
I can agree with everyone except the "something failed" part, simply cuz if a couple decides to have sex then they know that they're taking a chance with the possibility of pregnancy.
I definitely agree with the raped part, except for the idea that a lotta of people could (and this is where it gets sad) just say they were raped and fake everything just so they can get the abortion and convince everyone that it is for a "good reason"
o, and here's a little irony for ya. Apparently a infamous ruler's mother was once told by a Jewish/Isreali friend (I'm not sure if they were either one of those or both) that she should abort her child. I think the mother almost complied but later decided to have the child.
And who did that ruler later grow up to become? Saddam Hussein.
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08-23-2003, 12:35 AM
The ones that are pro life are just wrong,
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CruelCircus
08-23-2003, 02:09 AM
When men can get prenant then they can have a say in the matter. If the man wasn't smart enough to use protection, tough shit.
So then, of course, you'd be in favor of abortion in cases where a condom was used properly but failed through no fault of the consumers.
Because then, of course, the man (no woman?) WAS smart enough to use protection.
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Mike Teacher
08-23-2003, 04:36 AM
i cant believe anyone couldnt think its up to a woman to do what she wants with her body. i you wanna pierce your ear, its up to you. its up to that woman to do what she wants. its a damn constitutional right
This gets into a very interesting legal area.
Can a woman do what she wants with her body?
No. There are hundreds, if not dozens, or laws that tell women [and men] what they can and can not do with their bodies. Prostitution laws seem to jump to mind. Again this is legally, I'm leaving what is 'right' or 'wrong' out of this.
We hear about Roe V. Wade so many times, but did you ever study about it? I was clueless, so I found out what actually happened, so I wouldn't have to hear 'spin'. I went right to the court records, and the decision [which, by definition, will have spin, but...]...
The decision in Roe v. Wade had, strangely, little if anything, to do with the issues of pregancy, abortion, when life begins, or some scientific thingy.
The issue was also not about a Women's right to do what she wants with her body. We see above, there's laws up the ass forbiding me and you from doing some things to/with our bodies [fucking dwarf-tossing censors...].
The main issue in one word was Privacy. The court case, and the decision [i Think Marshall wrote it, not positive] were basically answering this question: Do people have a right to privacy? Are there some things that a person in society can do with an expectation of privacy?
Yes. And the Decision in Roe v. Wade said, in essence, that the decision to terminate a pregnancy fell under that right to privacy.
It didn't rule At All on whether abortion is right, wrong, good, bad, when life begins, when is it human, when is it viable, when, or any of these.
I thought it was about the right to have an abortion. Right or Wrong, it about a woman's right to privacy.
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sr71blackbird
08-23-2003, 05:09 AM
I think abortion should be a legally allowed thing, but I sincerely wish that it was practiced far less often then it is, for the reason that too many girls are using it as birth control. A woman should have the choice, but what are we becoming as a compassionate speicies thats suppose to be at the top of the evolutionary ladder and we cant control our sex drives and the life of an innocent person must be taken because we cant be "bothered". The creation of life should be responsible act, carried out by resposible individuals. Seeing as it takes two to tango, I think that women always have the upper hand in that decision, but in my opinion, they are loosing their credibility when they use it as birth control.
I dont want to see an over populated world anymore then the next guy, but Im always perplexed that the people who are activists regarding keeping abortion legal, usually are also the same people who are against the use of land for oil exploration and deforestation, because they dont want certian species to die. They value animal life far far higher than human life and that, to me, is sad.
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08-23-2003, 05:37 AM
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08-23-2003, 06:41 AM
there's no box for "other". i think we should make the little fetuses fight each other for supremacy! like in that movie/dream i had!
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TheMojoPin
08-23-2003, 09:50 AM
The creation of life should be responsible act, carried out by resposible individuals.
And yet you feel too many people use abortion as "birth control." Wouldn't you want these people to NOT be parents if they realize that they AREN'T responsible enough to have a child at that point? Sure, they could have the kid and put it up for adoption, but what if they (Especially the woman) aren't EMOTIONALLY responsible enough to have a kid at this point? Childbirth has GOT to be an impossibly huge occurance in someone's life. It can't be easy for someone to just decide to have a child and give it away. "Pro-life" people are so quick to toss out that option seemingly without caring how this damages someone who probably can't handle childbirth, period. Whether you like it or not, some people simply cannot have children or won't. Throughout nature, animals will at times abandon their young ultimately if they can't care for them. Some women are forced to still do just that TODAY. How is THAT fair to a child? An ACTUAL child and not something that is ultimately debatable as to whether it's a person or not.
And people are too quick to say that if one is willing to have sex they need to be willing to have a kid, or get an STD, which is absurd. That's like saying that because I decide to have a steak, I should just be willing to suck it up if I develop mad cow disease and have to suffer with it. Like EVERYTHING we do in life, there are dangers with sex to go along with all the joy and pleasure, yet sex seems to be set aside as the one thing that we just have to toll with the punches and accept whatever happens as some kind of twisted "just punishment". This belies the ongoing sense that sex is something that's bad or wrong and we should be ashamed of it or punished because we have "too much" (Based on WHO or WHAT?!?) of it or enjoy it too much. What? What is this? Is it strict religious upbringing? Jealousy? Honestly, I do NOT understand it. It's a natural human act. Why the FUCK are people still ashamed of sex and try to force that shame on other people? Trying to oppose abortion by saying that those that have sex need to be willing to be "punished" for it seems like a REALLY shitty way to defend the "sanctity of life." Too often the argument is, "they were willing to have sex...they should be willing to have the child." How is that helping ANYONE? It breaks down really simple...people that want to have kids will...people that don't won't, and they'll find away not to no matter what the law says. Despite what some may think, abortion is NOT an easy decision. I have three feiends who have all had abortions, and NONE of them look at it as an "easy out" or an "escape" or just "birth control." The majority of women simply do not think that way, and to assume that they do cheapens the entire process.
but Im always perplexed that the people who are activists regarding keeping abortion legal, usually are also the same people who are against the use of land for oil exploration and deforestation, because they dont want certian species to die. They value animal life far far higher than human life and that, to me, is sad.
Apples and oranges, spin doctor. That's like if I pointed out how those that are usually conservative "pro-lifers" often have no problem supporting the death penalty. Or if I made some little statement like, "they value a little glob of sperm and goo far, far higher than human life and that, to me, is sad." Apples and oranges...spin, spin, spin...
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high fly
08-23-2003, 09:57 AM
I can't remember what my bumper sticker says about the issue.
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Heavy
08-23-2003, 11:48 AM
with adoption and foster families, why must you kill off life of a child.
How about we unload the millions (I'm guessing) of kids in foster homes that stay until they're 18 first. And then lets find out how many "lucky" enough to find a foster home get molested or just beaten from these parents. I would think more oftren then not this is the situation. Even if it's not, it might be a good idea to unload all the foster home before you try to tell me these kids get adopted. Hey heres a good idea, we dont want to raise this child so lets put them into what basically a hospital for the next 18 years where they recieve no love and lots of hate. Yea, let's have this baby so it can more then likely me a maladjusted reject for it's entire life. Good arguement for a pro-lifer!
Let the babies live. We never know who we could be bringing into this world.
At an absolute minimum, you're bring one more perosn into a world that already has way too many to begin with. In addition, it's one more unloved person and I think we can agree theres too many of them also.
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Thats pretty much my point right there.
if a girl doenst want to have a baby she won't. and i prefer thsi procedure occuring in a sterile facility by a doctor, than a girl shoving a wire hanger up her vagina
Yea this isnt the arguement to take. It's true this happens but guess what, abortions are legal and it happens anyway.
If a chick gets preg cause she didnt practice safe sex her own damn fault
SO when this kid grows up fucked up it'll be ok because its his/her mothers fault?
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Snoogans
08-23-2003, 11:59 AM
No. There are hundreds, if not dozens, or laws that tell women [and men] what they can and can not do with their bodies. Prostitution laws seem to jump to mind. Again this is legally, I'm leaving what is 'right' or 'wrong' out of this.
thats different mike. a woman can choose to have sex with her body, thats not illegal. the only illegality is the takin money for that particular service, not that a woman can use her body that way.
there's laws up the ass forbiding me and you from doing some things to/with our bodies [fucking dwarf-tossing censors...].
public conduct is different. of course you cant pull it out infront of a kid. but there arent laws prevented an act on yourself that harms no one else and doesnt use any illegal substance. if your at home, and you wanna be naked with a barbie up your ass, im sure your allowed. obviously you would be nuts at a little league game or something.
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08-23-2003, 12:04 PM
I support the right of the unborn to keep and bear arms.
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Heavy
08-23-2003, 02:31 PM
This is why I try to talk girls into anal sex.....but wait a minute, people think that should be illegal too!
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spoon
08-23-2003, 04:09 PM
When men can get prenant then they can have a say in the matter. If the man wasn't smart enough to use protection, tough shit.
Let's see you get pregnant without us champ! Perhaps the woman changes her mind and the responsible father to be wanted/wants the child as they originally planned. The flighty chick wasn't smart enough in this situation.
Oh and Pro-choice. Too many laws are attacking what the country is supposed to stand for, freedom. I shouldn't have to wear a seatbelt if I don't want to. Cameras on street corners and in classes....Orswell's 1980 is here folks. We are as free as the gov wants and lets us be. It DOES come down to privacy overall, and right now it continues to wane. Look at the Patriot act, and many others. We are taxed to rediculous amounts, only to get less and watch it spent idiotically. Only problem is there isn't a fresh new continent to run to this time. Hence don't try to make everything a law if it goes against your personal ideals, religion or party politics. We need to reserve the freedoms we still have, wether it fits your life or not.
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08-23-2003, 04:21 PM
We are taxed to rediculous amounts
We are?
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Look, I don't want to be attacked for saying this, but I know I will. I just don't buy the "This is my body" argument. No. There is a living human being, and I just can't see justifying killing it. I'm not at all religous, I'm just going with how I see it. I just wish people would be responsible when having sex. I don't doubt that having an abortion is an excrutiating decision for all but the heartless, but, frankly, I just don't see many reasons that would warrant an abortion.
But really, the problem at the base of it people being irresponsible sexually. And I don't think that is good enough to justify an abortion.
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Death Metal Moe
08-23-2003, 04:38 PM
I don't get this 'Every life is precious" state of mind. Be honest. Every life is NOT precious. If you REALLY thought that you'd be over in Somalia volunteering to help the people already born there, suffering. Now THERE is a place where they need to start killing unborn fetusus.
Just be honest. I am. I know that a fetus is a living being at every state of development, and I am fine with abortion. If another child is going to be born into a horrible situation then abort it.
I mean, people SHOULD be able to control their urges and it is VERY unfair to the unborn kid that mommy and daddy got drunk and made you, but it seems no one has personal responsibility in our society today. But I'm not here to talk about social problems, I am here to say Pro Choice all the way.
I know that irresponsible people use abortion as a form of birth control and I am STILL for it.
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Mike Teacher
08-23-2003, 04:46 PM
thats different mike. a woman can choose to have sex with her body, thats not illegal.
Agreed. My point was that the books Do forbid some things, like if the woman above is 30 and is tagging the high school sophomore guys [which is exactly what happened here this year at the ole Joisey Shore; those damn teachers...].
And point taken.
Anyway, to Really open the Pandora's Box, some other questions and issues to really get things going:
Is it wrong to abort a pregnancy? Always? Sometimes? Never?
How do we Decide?
Is there no middle ground?
Should we permit the state into the most intimate and personal aspects of our lives?
When is it permissable to abort a pregnancy? If not ninth? Eighth? Seventh? Sixth? At any time? At no time?
Why should legislators have any right at l all to tell women what to do with their bodies?
If killing a fetus is killing a human being, is it not the duty of the state to prevent it?
Is a fetus a 'potential' human?
Is sperm a potential human? egg?
When does life begin?
When does human life begin?
Note: I am not the author of the above questions. Having said that, they were written to be answered, opinions given.
Having said that, it would serves us all to disagree without being disagreeable.
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08-23-2003, 06:23 PM
Holy shit in the Pope.
HBox and Moe somehow switched bodies and blew my MIND.
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Heavy
08-23-2003, 06:49 PM
Hey Mike, add this list your list of questions. Should abortion be mandatory in certain situation? The answer is yes. I dont know about you, but the crackhead hooker on the corner should be doing something illegal when she gets pregnant. Not only should she have an abortion, she should be MADE to have one!
And Moe, couldnt be more dead on then you were, my friend. Big ups to Moe.
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08-23-2003, 06:53 PM
HBox and Moe somehow switched bodies and blew my MIND.
No need for insults Mojo.
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sr71blackbird
08-23-2003, 07:09 PM
Im not trying to spin it bro, Im saying it as it is. As far as turning an argument around to demonstrate your point, thats your modus operendi my friend. Lets stop pretending and going to extremes, because extremes of any sort are rediculous and the world is full of 'em. Life is life and killing is killing and there must always be a time and place for both, thats the natural order of things. This thing will quickly break down into fighting because this is a subject many hold dear to them. I didnt say that I was 100 pro life all the time, certianly if a 12 year old girl gets raped and gets pregnant, ant rational person should see that as an exemption and not a rule. On the other hand, when the government is required to pay for inner city women to have abortions at state run clinics, we certianly should say Hey, hold up..... Wheres the line here? I think its best we put this argument to bed here and now before peoples feelings get hurt and it degrades into a yelling match. Its legal and it should stay legal. The rest will be decided by society and hopefully, youngsters will start getting a better sence of morality. I dont think its the epedemic is was, and I think temperments are changing. There are far more important social issues worth discussing so I wont say anymore on this. And just for the record? As much as I may disagree with anyone on it, its my obligation and honor to defend your right to disagree with me on subjects like this. Its what being free is all about.
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grovegirl1
08-23-2003, 07:12 PM
pro-choice
a women should be able to decide what they want to do with there own body. u wouldnt want to keep a baby which was the result of u being raped.
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hoover
08-23-2003, 07:22 PM
The right to choose should be available to all, not just for certain situations. It might not be right for the same two people at one point in their lives but perfect for another. Before anyone goes attacking me I also believe if one party chooses yes and the other no, the party who chooses no should have a legal right to express that choice and not beeither finacialy or physically responsible
canofsoup15
08-23-2003, 07:29 PM
Like my third post says:
It all depends on the situation.
Thats what it comes down to, pro-life people, well the ones with cmoon sense, do not want to see a child brought up in the wrong atmosphere if it isnt good for a child, we'd like adoption to be safe and think that it is, but it is not and we can only hope that it does some sort of good keeping the kids alive. Meanwhile, if you asked them if a women, or girl for that matter, were to be raped and pregnant without her want, or choice, than (the ones with common sense, as well as myself) would have to agree that it is totally acceptable to have an abortion. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION. You dont have to be on either side and feel like you have to defend that side constantly, if the option of "Other" or "Both" was put on the poll im sure at least half the people here would opt that option. There's so many "what if's" that its near impossible to fully agree on one side. That is all.
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Heavy
08-23-2003, 07:56 PM
I didnt say that I was 100 pro life all the time, certianly if a 12 year old girl gets raped and gets pregnant, ant rational person should see that as an exemption and not a rule
WHoa whoa there pal, that life inside her is no less important then any others! That baby didnt choose who dad was! wheres the babies rights!
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TheMojoPin
08-23-2003, 08:05 PM
On the other hand, when the government is required to pay for inner city women to have abortions at state run clinics, we certianly should say Hey, hold up..... Wheres the line here?
That's a problem with medical coverage, not abortion itself. I agree, abortion should not be covered by government plans except in an emergency situation. Outside of that, it's an optional procedure and like comestic surgery should not be covered.
Man, between this, stem cells and cloning, religion is REALLY fucking up science for the rest of us. I guess if they had their way we'd all just be wearing burkahs and living like the Amish and in shame. It's their fault we don't live like the Jetsons and I'm mad as Hell and I'm not GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
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Heavy
08-23-2003, 08:11 PM
And also Mojo, you have to agree, that its alot cheaper for those same tax payers to pay for the checkups, the birth, aftercare, and 18 years of welfare to the mom.
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08-23-2003, 08:14 PM
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TheMojoPin
08-23-2003, 08:17 PM
The rest will be decided by society and hopefully, youngsters will start getting a better sence of morality.
I'll let the man himself take this one...
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And I'm not trying to slam you here. I just don't understand this idea of "universal morality" that can somehow be applied to all people. Outside of lying, stealing and murdering, I don't see how some things can be set at some kind of "standard" for ALL people. It's not possible. Morality is different from person to person to person. That's how it's always been. To think that a group of people of ANY size can be some kind of unanimous, unflinching, moral herd is just lame, boring and nightmarish. And it smacks too much of toliatarian mindsets. "You WILL think this way or you WILL be wrong. You WILL think this is decent or you WILL be an outcast". How awful.
And this is NOT to say people should just do what they want because it feels "good". Like someone said here, willpower IS something we all have, and whether or not someone can utilize it is up to the strength of their character. Herd morality can't regulate base desires, or regulate impulses. If someone REALLY wants to do something, they'll do it, and if they can't control it, that's THEIR problem, but it's not something a "community standard" can fix. As much as people bemoan a bizarre "moral downslide" (Apparently ignoring the ups and downs and sideways of human history for the last couple THOUSAND years), the best you can REALLY hope for and expect is that the person next to you will do right by you and you'll do do right by the next person and so on and so on. That's not perfect, it's very subjective, but it's ultimately the best, most basic thing we can hope to expect from other human beings. Expecting some governing body or community mindset to dictate what is "right" or "moral" isn't right. It's not healthy. It's a tricky area (Look at how we NEED to regulate child pornography, which unfortunately goes AGAINST what I was just saying, but there ARE exceptions. My theory is far from perfect), but to assume that there has been, is, or will be a "national sense of morality" is honestly nothing short of delusional. Sorry to be blunt, really, I am, but let's be honest here. You REALLY think if you get a group of even just 100 people from across this country at ANY point in our history you'd get them to agree on some sense of communal morality outside of the basic sense of right and wrong?
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08-23-2003, 09:30 PM
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David Lee Kinison
08-23-2003, 11:14 PM
May be hard to beleive but I have read the Constitution,
Says we are allowed certain rights like LIFE
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TheMojoPin
08-23-2003, 11:19 PM
May be hard to beleive but I have read the Constitution,
Says we are allowed certain rights like LIFE
So that means the death penalty is out the window...right?
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grlNIN
08-23-2003, 11:36 PM
I really tried to stay away form this thread but this board is like top notch crack-cocaine.
I think it's pretty much all been said at one point or another in this thread but we all feel a need to open our mouths and let the verbal diareaha commense. With that being said, here goes.
I used to be pro-choice when i was younger. Granted i didn't know the ins and outs of the whole ordeal and what not i just always thought it to be the womans choice. Not to say that i dont anymore because i 100% do think it is no ones decision but the woman carrying the unborn child.
BUT you have to recognize the serious problems with the pro-choice option. For one we, as a country do not home the brightest citizens. The fact that ANY woman can have an abortion really pisses me off, it makes it easy for unintelligable cunts to go out, have unsafe sex, get pregnant and have an abortion a month later. What is to keep a person like this from repeating the cycle over and over and over again? Nothing. This really bothers me.
I'm not saying that most woman are like this because i know they're not but let's say that there's 2% of woman in the world completely neglecting any other form of birth control and using abortion in its place.
I know there are extreme cases where an abortion is OK. Yes, i said OK because frankly, if i were to be raped and become pregnant i would not give birth to the child, i would abort it. Let's face facts, there are cases like this and there are cases of it even being a incestous child that may be born, that is just the world inwhich we live in. Fucked up shit like this happens all the time and we're not even aware of it.
Pro Life is a fine choice as well. But rarely will a 16 year old be as selfless as to sacrfice their teen years. And these are th emost common cases inwhich abortion is given.
I'm not saying im Pro Choice or Pro Life. It all depends upon the situation of each individual case and nothing else.
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TheMojoPin
08-23-2003, 11:50 PM
I'm with NINy.
Not only are there people who simply shouldn't have abortions, there are even MORE who definitely should NOT have kids.
Of course, how the fuck do you regulate that? What are we, fucking "Gattaca" or something?
I used to be pro-choice when i was younger.
You ARE younger.
i know they're not but let's say that there's 2% of woman in the world completely neglecting any other form of birth control and using abortion in its place.
2% IN THA HIZ-OUSE.
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NewYorkDragons80
08-24-2003, 06:03 AM
So that means the death penalty is out the window...right?
Absolutely
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Heavy
08-24-2003, 07:10 AM
Yea because thats a great idea too....
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TheMojoPin
08-24-2003, 08:19 AM
Hey, you gotta have standards.
If you're "pro-life", then you gotta go HARDCORE.
Otherwise you're just anti-abortion and living a damn dirty lie.
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Doogie
08-24-2003, 08:36 AM
Ok I have refreained from posting in here for two reasons. A) it is such a hot topic it could cause us all to meltdown. B) this has already been discussed before on this board Here (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=52&Topic=11366).
I must quote myself from this old thread as my views have not changed on this topic in a year and a half. Pro choice for the simple reason that I am not a woman, it is not my body...Guys look at it this way. If you wanted to get a vasectomy would you want somebody telling you that you should/should not be doing so??? Should the government be doing so in deciding if you should or not??? Think in terms for the ladies on this one please fellas...
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grlNIN
08-24-2003, 11:53 AM
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kc7586
08-24-2003, 11:54 AM
i think pro choice is the way to go. i dont like abortions, i think they are morally wrong, but in certain situations they are the best if only choice. it is that womans body and should be her choice. i do not however think it should be used as an easy out like another type of birth control. in the cases of rape, incest and in situations where the mother would not be able to take care of the baby(teen pregnancies) abortions would be needed IF the mother choose to have one.
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high fly
08-24-2003, 12:08 PM
Any chance that apportionment battle will be soon resolved in Texas?
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08-24-2003, 01:38 PM
Think in terms for the ladies on this one please fellas...
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We call the shots
'Cos hey! we are the boys
We are the boys of another class
We drink the beer while you hold the glass
We take what we can and what we can use
We are the boys and we've got nothing to loose
We are the boys, we like bending the rules
we are the boys and you are the fools
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Pro-choice with no reservations. There are too many people in the world already. I don't see a need to add an unwanted baby to the mix.
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Ryan the Great
08-24-2003, 02:45 PM
o, and here's a little irony for ya. Apparently a infamous ruler's mother was once told by a Jewish/Isreali friend (I'm not sure if they were either one of those or both) that she should abort her child. I think the mother almost complied but later decided to have the child.
And who did that ruler later grow up to become? Saddam Hussein.
Amazing. Yes, I know.
The last time i heard that story, the child was Hitler, not Hussein.
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Arienette
08-24-2003, 03:09 PM
pro-choice.
i didnt' read the posts before me, because i know it will just make me mad, so my apologies if i'm being redundant. it is hard enough for parents with the time and money and love to devote to raising kids to do a good job... why the hell would anyone want to bring more unwanted children into the world?
i know we've had this discussion on the board before. abortion is not an acceptable form of birth control. it is, however, an appropriate solution when accidents happen. i think a women who becomes pregnant unexpectedly, and who does not feel ready to become a parent, is being far more responsible by having an abortion than she would be if she had the kid anyway. there are too many kids out there already not being adopted.
and i know that a lot of pro-lifers have their hearts in the right place. but their arguments are just not scientifically feasible. a non-viable fetus is not a person. thus, abortion is not murder. period.
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Yerdaddy
08-24-2003, 03:37 PM
OK, I've avoided posting in this thread for as long as I could, and every aspect of the arguments have been covered already. Exept one. If we ban all abortions, what will we make this stuff out of?
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carguy
08-24-2003, 06:25 PM
Can someone explain to me why abortion is such a hot topic? It's something that directly affects such a small percentage of people yet it's discussed like it has an impact on everyone. If some woman has an abortion or has the kid, how is that going to change anything in anyone's life? Is it a topic that really deserves bumper stickers?
I choose #3 in the poll. I don't give a shit.
canofsoup15
08-24-2003, 06:28 PM
...damn...
...damn....damn....
Thats a good point, how did all this bullshit start, Roe vs. Wade? thats such a good point
....damn...
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Arienette
08-24-2003, 06:36 PM
i dont' know.. maybe i'm wrong, but i think that a lot more people are affected directly by the topic than you realize. i've known personally more than one girl who have had abortions, as well as a guy whose girlfriend did. while i'd consider myself somewhat affected as a result, all of them were directly impacted. and they're just regular, young people. it's a lot closer than you might think
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canofsoup15
08-24-2003, 06:41 PM
It still doesnt make much sense why we fight about this though, i mean if it was in a family i could see it. Why should people care what a woman does with her body, why did this turn into a worldwide debate that turns into a bloddy mess when people (Johnee) bring it up? Hurmph...
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Arienette
08-24-2003, 06:46 PM
Why should people care what a woman does with her bodythat sounds like a pro-choice argument to me. i mean, that's what i don't get about it either. i don't know what i would do personally if i were in the situation, but that's an individual decision that i'd have to make, and it wouldn't inform how i feel about the issue in general. each person should decide on their own, and whatever they decide should be alright. but you need choice for that.
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This is way oversimplifying, but I think the reason this is important to people are the reasons they take which ever side they do. The pro-lifers believe abortion is murder. The pro-choicers see it as a matter of personal freedom. It taps two very important social matters: murder and freedom.
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grlNIN
08-24-2003, 07:00 PM
why did this turn into a worldwide debate that turns into a bloddy mess when people (Johnee) bring it up? Hurmph...
Possibly because it IS a worldwide debate. Not mention that no one in this thread(who wants to be taken seriously and have people read their posts) is fighting.
We're all just talking about the topic at hand.
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FUNKMAN
08-24-2003, 07:02 PM
you can say i'm pro-choice but i still feel life begins once the sperm enters the egg...
someone is making a decision to kill another human being... you would have to agree that in all likeleyhood if the abortion was not performed there would be another human being entering this world...
it's a TOUGH choice for most...
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TheMojoPin
08-24-2003, 07:49 PM
The key here is that this issue will NOT be resolved by politicians.
It's too hot-button.
Like guns, it's too divisive, and any politician that made a clear-cut action EITHER way on the issue while in office is committing political suicide, and there's simply not enough politicians willing to do that these days.
Abortion will NEVER change in its legailty in my lifetime...and I'm 24. I'd lay everything I'll ever own on that.
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spoon
08-24-2003, 11:15 PM
I'm not saying im Pro Choice or Pro Life. It all depends upon the situation of each individual case and nothing else.
Tie this in to Mojo's last post and it's clear that the choice should be ours as well as the consequences. Once a law is in place, as in the past, the process won't disappear. The "special cases" some Pro-Life people speak of can't be guaranteed, unless tied into the law, which simply won't happen. I also agree that it should never be part of your normal health plan or sponsored by gov agencies.
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spoon
08-24-2003, 11:21 PM
i still feel life begins once the sperm enters the egg...
And to think I threw away all those hard boiled eggs I masturbate on every Easter!
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NewYorkDragons80
08-25-2003, 05:50 AM
I'd have to disagree with you, Mojo. I think it's possible that Roe v Wade could be overturned in my lifetime (I'm 18), but I still think most state legislatures will keep it legal.
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Death Metal Moe
08-25-2003, 03:43 PM
Pro Abortion.
Pro Death Penalty.
Pro Gun.
Kill the guilty and innocent alike.
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Se7en
08-25-2003, 05:43 PM
Abortion will NEVER change in its legailty in my lifetime...and I'm 24. I'd lay everything I'll ever own on that.
I believe this as well.
Which is why I find it foolish whenever a politician who's anti-abortion gets near a high office - namely the presidency - people act as if they're the antichrist. "He's going to overturn Roe v. Wade!"
Unlikely. People don't realize how incredibly difficult it would be to do that, for reasons of public policy alone. The S.C. could get packed with conservatives tomorrow and I'd still lay down 100,000 to one odds that it never happens in my lifetime....and I'm 23.
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08-25-2003, 06:32 PM
A woman should be permitted to have an abortion at any time in her pregnancy up to viability (6-7 months, the point in which a fetus can survive outside of the womb). I am absolutely shocked every time I hear a man say he thinks abortion should be illegal. It's really easy to say you're against abortion when you could never become pregnant and face the anguish of an unwanted pregnancy.
IMO, a fetus (yes, a fetus, not a baby, its not a baby until its born) is a parasite if unwanted. It lives off of an unwilling host.
It disgusts me that people value a clump of cells, a POTENTIAL life, over the life and rights of a BORN, living woman.
But hey, a woman deserves to be forced to give birth to a baby because she had unprotected sex, or the condom broke, or she took the wrong antibiotic while on the pill, right? I mean, she was so damned irresponsible and spread her legs, so lets punish her by forcing her to give birth to a baby she doesn't want, that will go into the foster system and probably lead a miserable life. Or better yet, maybe she'll KEEP the baby and raise it... I'm sure that a pregnant 15 year old would have the resources to care for and raise a baby in an excellent enviornment... I mean, that baby could be the next Einstein you know... she owes it to the world to birth him.
But wait! There are sooooo many couples waiting to adopt, right? She owes it to those couples that can't conceive! Its not fair that they can't have a baby and that irresponsible teenager can! That baby will get a home right away! Of course, only if it's a healthy white baby. No one really wants a crack-addicted or disabled kid, they can go straight to the foster homes.
And that pregnant teen who bleeds to death trying to perform an abortion on herself rather than face the shame of telling her parents about her pregnancy, well she just deserves it for getting pregnant in the first place, doesn't she?
Pro-choice. Abortion on demand up to viability, after that, legal, safe abortion if the mothers life is endangered or the fetus is determined to be not compatible with life.
I'm just really surprised no one has posted links to the bs pro-life sites with doctored pictures and altered videos yet.
ABORTION STATS (from cdc.gov):
In 1999, 861,789 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC by 48 reporting areas. This total represents a 2.5 percent decrease from the 884,273 legal induced abortions reported by these same reporting areas for 1998.
The abortion ratio for 1999 is the lowest reported since 1975. The ratio was 256 legal induced abortions per 1,000 live births, compared to 264 in 1998.
For 1997 through 1999, the abortion rate was 17 per 1,000 women aged 15- 44 years.
Most abortions were obtained by white women, unmarried women, and women under 25 years of age. As in previous years, about one-fifth of women who had abortions were 19 years old or younger. Of the women who had an abortion, 41 percent were known to have had no previous live births.
For 1999, 25 areas reported a total of 6,278 medical (nonsurgical) procedures. This figure reflects an increase of 28% from the 4,899 medical abortions reported by 22 reporting areas for 1998.
As in previous years, more than half (58 percent) of reported legal induced abortions were performed during the first 8 weeks of pregnancy; 88 percent were performed during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.
For 1998 (the most recent data available on maternal deaths), nine maternal deaths related to legal induced abortion were reported. Overall, the number of such deaths was highest before the 1980s
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08-25-2003, 06:56 PM
IMO, a fetus (yes, a fetus, not a baby, its not a baby until its born) is a parasite if unwanted. It lives off of an unwilling host.
I've seen that description used before, and have always found it to be exceptionally cold and inhumane.
I consider myself by nature a rather dark and cynical human being, but even I'm not that cold. Regardless of where one believes life quickens, in the womb or outside of it, describing any "potential" human life as parasitic is just too depressing even for my tastes.
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08-25-2003, 07:03 PM
parúaúsite
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Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
Seems pretty accurate to me.... if I don't want it there, it's a parasite, I don't see it as "cold" in any way...
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FUNKMAN
08-25-2003, 07:04 PM
I've seen that description used before, and have always found it to be exceptionally cold and inhumane.
not to jump on the bandwagon but i have to agree...
in reality when you speak this way, you are also speaking of yourself because we all were at that stage at one point in our life...
i'm not saying children are for everyone but you have to be thankful for your own life and you wouldn't have your own life unless someone gave birth to you... at least give life itself a little respect because if you don't you really have no respect for yourself...
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angrymissy
08-25-2003, 07:10 PM
in reality when you speak this way, you are also speaking of yourself because we all were at that stage at one point in our life...
sure, when I was a fetus way back when, I was a lil parasite feeding off my host, I was a wanted parasite, but a parasite nonetheless
I'm, not saying children are for everyone but you have to be thankful for your own life and you wouldn't have your own life unless someone gave birth to you... at least give life itself a little respect because if you don't you really have no respect for yourself...
How am I not thankful for my own life just because I believe a fetus is a parasite? And if no one gave birth to me, I wouldn't be here to care whether or not they did, would I? I respect life, and I'll respect my lil parasite when I'm ready to have kids.
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2003, 07:11 PM
Which is why I find it foolish whenever a politician who's anti-abortion gets near a high office - namely the presidency - people act as if they're the antichrist. "He's going to overturn Roe v. Wade!"
Exactly.
Like Hollywood violence and guns, it's a total red herring. Something big and sensational and universal but JUST VAGUE ENOUGH that can make a politician sound "real" WITHOUT HAVING TO ADDRESS ANY REAL, VIABLE ISSUES. Yes, it's a fiercely debatable issue. BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE. That time has passed. It's too divisive. Face the reality...a plitician who pushes too hard in either direction will alienate essentially half the country/state/city/community they're helping to run. And then they're doomed. And when have we had a non-careerist politician recently? EXACTLY.
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2003, 07:13 PM
But BESIDES that...
Think about all the assholes you have to deal with on a daily basis.
Not so innocent now, are they?
Remember...it could be another ME.
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FUNKMAN
08-25-2003, 07:19 PM
How am I not thankful for my own life just because I believe a fetus is a parasite? And if no one gave birth to me, I wouldn't be here to care whether or not they did, would I? I respect life, and I'll respect my lil parasite when I'm ready to have kids.
cool!
your body is none of my business... it just sounded "cold and disrespectful" to use the term parasite...
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Heavy
08-25-2003, 07:36 PM
It's really easy to say you're against abortion when you could never become pregnant and face the anguish of an unwanted pregnancy.
It's always great to see Missy making herself into the only person that could possiby be effected by her abortion.
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08-25-2003, 08:50 PM
So, any Ronfez ladies want to get pregnant?!?!?
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08-25-2003, 09:33 PM
blah blah blah pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion blah blah blah
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Bergalad
08-25-2003, 10:00 PM
A pox on you johneewadd for this thread. A pox on you!
Death Metal Moe
08-25-2003, 10:23 PM
I wish Pro Choice could be replaced by Pro Abortion. I say I'm pro abortion because I'm proud of it. And I don't candy coat it.
I am for legislation that says killing unborn babies is A-OK. Suck em out and get them right to the scientists for stem cells.
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Heavy
08-25-2003, 10:33 PM
A pox on you johneewadd for this thread. A pox on you!
If I had a nickle for everytime I heard that....
Pro-choice is not the same as pro-abortion. "Choice" means you cant choose to do it if you want. "pro-abortion" would mean you want everyone to have an abortion...i think
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Death Metal Moe
08-25-2003, 10:38 PM
How about Pro Baby Killer?
Pro Innocent Slaughterer.
Pro Fetus Eater? Ever hear that band? I forget what they sound like. Or Bearded Fetus. Oh wait, they changed their name to Dying Fetus awhile ago. That's right. I wonder what Skinless has been up to? Or Cephalic Carnage?
wait, what?
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spoon
08-26-2003, 01:09 AM
A woman should be permitted to have an abortion at any time in her pregnancy up to viability (6-7 months, the point in which a fetus can survive outside of the womb).
I'll preface this with the fact that I am Pro-Choice.
But holy shit some of this is off the edge of the earth thinking. Why not just slit the baby's throat after you give birth!? (shut up Moe/LOL) If you don't make a choice by 7 months, you're just a stupid cunt! In the case of medical reasons, perhaps not, but to get rid of what you term a "parasite"? And by the way, this parasite doesn't have a choice in the matter, and is reliant on the "host" which made it. This too is usually a choice in itself. Nobody has an ounce of accountability these days. There is always a reason or excuse. Granted, there are special cases, but just look at the stats you presented. It seems that most were dum kids that made a mistake and the choice should be their's. Whether you like it or not, having an abortion will be with you the rest of your life. Circumstances excluded, I for one felt bad the other day when I hit a squirrel. If my gf had an abortion it would wreck me. Yet I don't think there should be a law blocking it for many of the reasons already discussed. One other thing though, all babies are ugly. They aren't cute until 2 or 3. But puppies are cute as soon as the goo is licked off. Ha!
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Disúgrunútled
08-26-2003, 03:18 AM
I think this discussion should change to Forced Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation...should it be done? Abortion, whether we like it or not, will always be around. What also will be around are the women who can't seem to keep their legs shut and the guys who can't keep it in their pants. Something should be done to these people before they can have their 10th abortion. Having 1 abortion is a sad thing but it sometimes cannot be helped, having multiple abortions just shows that you are a stupid twat and that you should have your legs fused together.
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angrymissy
08-26-2003, 08:25 AM
you don't make a choice by 7 months, you're just a stupid cunt!
I had a friend who continued to get light bleeding every month up until the 5th month of pregnancy. She didn't even realize she was pregnant until she started to show.
You also have to realize that there are other reasons besides just being a "stupid cunt" to have an abortion later in pregnancy... Some women don't even have abortion clinics in their counties, and have to save money for the procedure and travel expenses... some women have to travel over 18 hours just to be able to get to the clinic. Some women may have an abusive boyfriend/husband pressuring them to keep the pregnancy to make it so they can't leave the relationship.
A birth defect may not be found until late in the second trimester. A woman's blood pressure could go so high as a result of pregnancy that it could endanger her life in the second trimester. A woman's husband could die in a car crash and she could find herself unable to cope with continuing the pregnancy. A young girl could be in denial about being pregnant or hiding a pregnancy caused by abuse... Until you've been in that situation, who are you to judge?
There are so many variables that could contribute to having an abortion up to viability, that I personally think there should be no restrictions until then. Any restrictions would hurt a woman with a legitimate reason, forcing her to prove her case, bring it to a judge, and inevitably making her have to get an even LATER term abortion due to all of the legal wrangling necessary. Besides, only 3% of abortions are late term... its a very rare procedure.
I think this discussion should change to Forced Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation...should it be done? Abortion, whether we like it or not, will always be around. What also will be around are the women who can't seem to keep their legs shut and the guys who can't keep it in their pants. Something should be done to these people before they can have their 10th abortion. Having 1 abortion is a sad thing but it sometimes cannot be helped, having multiple abortions just shows that you are a stupid twat and that you should have your legs fused together.
What makes 10 abortions any worse than 1 abortion? An abortion is an abortion. Personally, I think a woman who would have 10 abortions rather than using birth control is someone who would need to be helped, not punished... there's probably some serious issues going on in her life.
Regarding tubal ligation, almost all OB/GYNs will not perform one on a woman unless she is over 40 and already has a child. It is virtually impossible to find one who will perform it before then, regardless of how many abortions a woman has had. A friend of mine had 5 abortions and a kid, and they still wouldn't give her one because of her age (27).
Whether you like it or not, having an abortion will be with you the rest of your life
Contrary to popular belief, plenty of people do not carry their abortion with them for the rest of their life, and actually feel it was the right decision for them and feel absolutely no regret. Unfortunately, society has made women think that if you don't regret and boo-hoo and lament your abortion, you're some kind of heartless bitch.
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Heavy
08-26-2003, 08:51 AM
What makes 10 abortions any worse than 1 abortion?
What makes punching you in the face 10 times worse then doing it once? Youre smarter then this, I think. Please take your assanine arguments and rationalzations out of here, youre doing more to hurt your cause then you could ever do to help. But good luck getting over those mommy and daddy issues btw.
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angrymissy
08-26-2003, 10:15 AM
Please take your assanine arguments and rationalzations out of here, youre doing more to hurt your cause then you could ever do to help. But good luck getting over those mommy and daddy issues btw.
Please learn how to spell before calling MY opinions asinine. And believe me, I've done plenty to help my cause. It happens to be one of the only issues I feel strongly about, and not only have I donated money, I've also donated my time in the past to Planned Parenthood as a clinic escort. You're the one who started a debate here, now why don't you argue it rationally rather than attacking me. I have debated this issue here before without resorting to personal attacks even though its an issue I feel passionately about, and have even debated here with people who are very strongly pro-life, and they have also, although disagreeing with me, managed to debate the issue like adults rather than resort to namecalling.
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Heavy
08-26-2003, 10:52 AM
I didnt call you anything.
Giving cash and being an escort is all swell, but i dont think that helps your "cause" as much as sounding like a rational clear thinking person, which you dont. Saying theres no difference between a person having 1 abortion or 10 and calling babies parasties is asanine no matter how you spell it.
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Se7en
08-26-2003, 01:45 PM
Contrary to popular belief, plenty of people do not carry their abortion with them for the rest of their life, and actually feel it was the right decision for them and feel absolutely no regret. Unfortunately, society has made women think that if you don't regret and boo-hoo and lament your abortion, you're some kind of heartless bitch.
If one just continues on the next day acting as if nothing happened, then yes, I would think that they are.
No matter if it was the "right" decision to make.
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08-26-2003, 03:57 PM
I've decided I'm pro-life.
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08-26-2003, 04:04 PM
Republicans for pro choice!!!!!!
angrymissy
08-26-2003, 04:10 PM
If one just continues on the next day acting as if nothing happened, then yes, I would think that they are.
Why would you think that? If someone believes that they made the best decision they could, and that abortion is not murder, why should they lament their decision?
calling babies parasties is asanine no matter how you spell it.
I never called a baby a parasite... I called a fetus a parasite, there's a big difference
sounding like a rational clear thinking person, which you dont.
Wow, you're saying that <i>I</i> don't sound like a rational clear thinking person... whooooo thats a pisser
I think I explained my views rationally... if you don't agree with them that's fine, but I take offense to you saying I'm basically talking crazy and my statements hurt my cause. I'm extremely well versed on this subject , and I don't see you making any good arguments here.
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Alice S. Fuzzybutt
08-26-2003, 04:11 PM
Pro Choice. I've never been in the situation to have to decide (thank God!) so I'm not sure what I'd do. I would never deny a woman the right to make the choice.
When I didn't have health insurance, I'd go to Planned Parenthood for my yearly gyno exam. It would freak me out a bit when I'd have to go through a metal detector and have my bag searched. I was only there for a check up. It's frightening to think that a Pro-Life fundamentalist could have taken me out, assuming I was there for an abortion.
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Heavy
08-26-2003, 04:24 PM
I think I explained my views rationally
I dont, and nobdoy else does either. You're all alone on that. And what is it that I'm suppossed discuss rationally with you? The idea that someone can get an abortion and go out later for a drink later that day is disturbing at minimum. Unless of course You've done it. Not that you've ever done it but I would think you get my point. You can call a baby or fetus a parasite all day long if it helps you deal with it, whatever helps you cope.
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FUNKMAN
08-26-2003, 04:34 PM
think i posted this before but my co-worker Jim, who is 70 and just recently retired said when he was a young man his grandmother told him that she gave herself 7 abortions, she also had 11 children... She told him that she just loved to have sex.
Jim is a sane man and in good shape mentally and physically so i believe him but it makes me wonder how the heck she figured out how to do it...
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08-26-2003, 04:39 PM
I dont, and nobdoy else does either. You're all alone on that. i don't know if i speak for anybody else here but please don't speak for the rest of us. just because you think that missy doesnt make sense, how does that mean that none of us do? i happen to think her argument was clear and rational. i'm not sure whether i agree with everything she said (although i do agree with a lot of it), but that's not the point. say whatever you want, but please leave me out of it.
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Heavy
08-26-2003, 04:39 PM
Did Jim explain anal to her?
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Alice S. Fuzzybutt
08-26-2003, 04:41 PM
I dont, and nobdoy else does either. You're all alone on that.
Sorry. I agree with Missy. And who the hell is nobdoy??? Is that the Pro-Life cartoon character based on Kilroy?
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08-26-2003, 04:45 PM
i don't know if i speak for anybody else here but please don't speak for the rest of us. just because you think that missy doesnt make sense, how does that mean that none of us do? i happen to think her argument was clear and rational. i'm not sure whether i agree with everything she said (although i do agree with a lot of it), but that's not the point. say whatever you want, but please leave me out of it.
Well sorry for speaking for everyone. And by all means if you agree with the parasite and "10's the same as 1" logic then defend it. If you dont agree with it, then I was right when I spoke for you and you have nothing to be upset about. I happen to agree with SOME of the things she said too, but I wasnt focusing on the rational parts of her statements.
But yea, in theory I shouldnt speak for other people.
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08-26-2003, 05:12 PM
Yeah, well, this thread is headed for the crapper.
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