When Arabs and Terrorists Die [Archive]

Reephdweller

08-25-2003, 03:26 AM

Why is it that every single day of the year I can hear about Palestinians, Hammas terrorists, and others setting off bombs in public places and killing 31, 100, 64+ Jews in Israel all the time, it's not a problem at all for them to do. Yet if a in the middle of a gunfight or something 1 or 4 of their own die then it's the absolute single worst human atrocity in all the worlds history. They act like what a horrible thing to have innocent lives snuffed away, and yet take not even a thought of what they themselves do? I'm not Jewish, but I hear these stories of terror every single day, and when it happens back to them it's the worst thing in creation. I'm not Pro-Israel or Pro-Palestinian or whatever, just trying to understand their logic when they get upset for the same thing they always seem to do themeselves.

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08-25-2003, 04:48 AM

They think their shit dont stink, thats all.

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Heavy

08-25-2003, 08:24 AM

Damn I never noticed that. The terrorists are highly insensitive. Youve exposed these animals RD!!

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high fly

08-25-2003, 08:31 AM

It's their national pasttime.
They loves their bombs and any occasion that calls for ululating.

It's either that, or get a job.

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mdr55

08-25-2003, 09:04 AM

Because that's 1 person less for them to put bombs on.

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Drudge Jr.

08-25-2003, 02:01 PM

the palestinians see every israeli as a combatent, mainly because israel has an organized military and i think every male citizen is required to serve (if that's incorrect let me know). a lot of it has to do with racism as well, but that's on both sides.

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08-25-2003, 02:12 PM

FUNKMAN

08-25-2003, 02:18 PM

the families of these people who get killed in the gunfight are fucking crying the blues because now they aren't getting any terrorist organization money because the guy didn't blow himself up....

and these guys ain't getting all them virgins either... they'll probably end up with a consolation prize like a camel with 3 legs...

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Mike Teacher

08-25-2003, 02:18 PM

IMHO,

I studied this a little, and my research led me to this startling conclusion; it's harder to find the Peaceful times in the middle east then it is to find the Wars. Going back maybe 4000 years, I'd venture.

Throw Europe in there for good measure too. The history of Europe is best defined as the History of Wars; especially in the 20 century; 100 million dead in a century.

Why? Religious Fundamentalism and/or a feeling of Manifest Destiny, sprinkled with a bit of good ole Greed and Territoriality, depending on the specific conflict.

As for exploding several pounds of Semtex on your person; my call on that one if religious fundamentalism. There are some people who will not rest while another race/creed/religion/color fill-in-the-blank still exist. Sounds horrific. Sadly, we have many examples in the past to choose from...

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08-25-2003, 02:19 PM

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ChickenHawk

08-25-2003, 02:24 PM

Drudge Jr. - For someone who's a fan of Matt Drudge, you sure don't share similar world views.

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Snoogans

08-25-2003, 02:26 PM

i think thats human nature. hush when it benefits you. if your in a store and you get too little change, your gonna say something. if you get too much change, how many people would actually say hey you gave me an extra 5?
people love anything that benefits them, and dont like things that dont, even if what benefits them is what they are mad is causing them harm.

It just kinda goes to show you how dumb fighting really is, both in war and in personal situations, unless for sport. stop fighting and talk about it. ive never been in a fight with someone who ive had problems with once we have tried to talk it out. the few fights involved no talkin, just fly off the handle fights. i know they have tried talking, but it never seemed like they made a serious try. so i say let em wax themselves until someone wins, less for us to deal with once its over

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Snoogans

08-25-2003, 02:27 PM

Drudge Jr. - For someone who's a fan of Matt Drudge, you sure don't share similar world views.

isnt that weird chickenhawk, especially since he never seems to have any intelligent views of his own, youd think he'd steal em from somewhere

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Death Metal Moe

08-25-2003, 03:51 PM

The Palistinians need to be stopped, but neither side is innocent. They both have blood on their hands.

We back our friends Israel and we will continue to. Case Closed.

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high fly

08-25-2003, 04:14 PM

It's harder to find the peaceful times in the middle east...

Righto, MIKE.
It's broader than that. If you go around the globe at that latitude and look at the history of Central America, South and Southeast Asia, their history through all recorded time is one massive bloodbath after another.
Sure, the same thing happens elsewhere, but not with the same consistency over the centuries.

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canofsoup15

08-25-2003, 04:22 PM

What i dont understand is:

How the fuck do they get this many people, day after day, suicide bombings, and they still continue to pump them out. How many men could they possibly have before they start throwing babies with bombs in them, and where do they get all these damn explosives?

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carguy

08-25-2003, 04:50 PM

an american life is worth more than any other

You're damn right it is.

high fly

08-25-2003, 04:53 PM

I hear they have judging over there, like in the Olympics, for the suicide bombing, with points for style, degree of dificulty, etc.

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Bergalad

08-25-2003, 05:24 PM

also the same thing is true of americans. less than 3000 americans died on 9-11, but the us has killed thousands directly, millions indirectly in the interest of "saving american lives" over the past several decades.

at least 20,000 iraqis have been injured in operation iraqi freedom, a minimum of 6000 were killed. would sadaam have directly killed that many if still in power? possibly, but the fact remians the united states foreign policy is based on the idea an american life is worth more than any other. its racism and its almost identical to the israeli/palestinian extremist ideology.

Wanted to reprint the whole thing, just so I could marvel at it once more.

Now, did you say the US has killed millions of people over the past several decades? Oh yeah, you said "indirectly". Well, wanna back any of that up with facts? I mean, "indirectly" you could be responsible for killing millions yourself, right? Facts, and non-vague wording, are wonderful things.

The AP is reporting 3,240, so do I believe them or your "Iraq Body Count" site stats? I'll go with the non-wackos this time. And to imply the US killed those people is preposterous. Do you know how many Iraqis were killed by Iraqis? That figure you throw out as fact also includes recent terror victims as well.

The United States spends more on foreign aid than probably the rest of the world combined. We don't value other lives? And anyway, the job of the US government is to protect its citizens, so why wouldn't they value the lives of Americans more than any others? That's hard for you to understand?

Oh, and the capper of calling the US government "extremist" is an outstanding touch. Comparing us to Hamas and Islamic Jihad...you astound me. What happened? Get bored with "Nazi pinko facists"?

Se7en

08-25-2003, 05:31 PM

at least 20,000 iraqis have been injured in operation iraqi freedom, a minimum of 6000 were killed. would sadaam have directly killed that many if still in power?

Yes, most likely. Have you, by chance, studied the history of the man? 6,000 would be a walk in the park for him.

possibly, but the fact remians the united states foreign policy is based on the idea an american life is worth more than any other. its racism and its almost identical to the israeli/palestinian extremist ideology.

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....Well now, I don't quite know what to make of that statement.

Let me just put it this way - EVERY nation on this earth that wants to preserve itself must, on some level, believe to its very core that ultimately the lives of its citizens are worth more than those of anyone else.

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TheMojoPin

08-25-2003, 07:19 PM

Remarkable how the "value of life" varies from thread to thread.

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Drudge Jr.

08-25-2003, 08:52 PM

Now, did you say the US has killed millions of people over the past several decades? Oh yeah, you said "indirectly". Well, wanna back any of that up with facts? I mean, "indirectly" you could be responsible for killing millions yourself, right? Facts, and non-vague wording, are wonderful things.

kissinger's secret war in cambodia is the reason pol pot came to power. that alone indirectly killed millions. there are so many other examples, and to this day the us supports genocide around the world, in turkey for example.

The AP is reporting 3,240, so do I believe them or your "Iraq Body Count" site stats? I'll go with the non-wackos this time. And to imply the US killed those people is preposterous. Do you know how many Iraqis were killed by Iraqis? That figure you throw out as fact also includes recent terror victims as well.

those are the statistics i've heard refered to in most articles, if they're inflated i dont think it lessens the point to much. but there's no doubt many civilians died in iraq.

you might want to look into "operation justice", i think it was called, where george bush sr. bombed a panama villiage killing at least 3000 civilians to get one human rights criminal who performed most of his atrocities on the CIA's payroll. the act was entirely symbolic.

The United States spends more on foreign aid than probably the rest of the world combined. We don't value other lives? And anyway, the job of the US government is to protect its citizens, so why wouldn't they value the lives of Americans more than any others? That's hard for you to understand?

isnt that what this thread is about? i think you just proved my point. and i'm not saying the us doesn't value lives, but an american life is worth more than any other is the basis of american foreign policy. that's why it's ok to keep third world countries impoverished as long is it lowers the price of american goods.

Oh, and the capper of calling the US government "extremist" is an outstanding touch. Comparing us to Hamas and Islamic Jihad...you astound me. What happened? Get bored with "Nazi pinko facists"?

you missed my point, i'm saying that the us government treats civilian lives the same way arabic terrorist groups treat the lives of arabs. that's why the death of a few arabs in a gunfight makes them believe its ok to blow up a cafe.

also i'm pretty sure "pinko" refers to socialists.

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monsterone

08-25-2003, 09:12 PM

what has this culture/ religion brought to the global community? how have they contributed to the furtherment of mankind, outside of their needs and wants?

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Bergalad

08-25-2003, 09:49 PM

there are so many other examples, and to this day the us supports genocide around the world, in turkey for example.
You mean the Armenian "geocide" of 1915? You blame the US for that? 1915? Oh, maybe Turkey attacking Kurdish insurgents? I can't say I blame them too much for that really. You have a whole group of people trying to cause a civil war in your country, you tell me what you do.

kissinger's secret war in cambodia is the reason pol pot came to power. that alone indirectly killed millions.
And just so it's out there, Jimmy Carter supported Pol Pot just as much as any other person in any Presidency. It's not only republicans if that's where you were going with that.

but there's no doubt many civilians died in iraq
And? The US tried as hard as it could to not hurt civilians. Why do you think we spend so much on GPS-guided bombs? We go WAY out of our way to not hurt anyone else, and again I say in my opinion most of those casualties were caused by Iraqis.
you might want to look into "operation justice", i think it was called, where george bush sr. bombed a panama villiage killing at least 3000 civilians to get one human rights criminal who performed most of his atrocities on the CIA's payroll. the act was entirely symbolic.

I think you mean "Operation Just Cause" in which the US captured Manuel Noriega. According to reports, 300 civilians at most died. And to call Noriega a human rights criminal...well, that's just not knowing anything about the issue. He was on the CIA payroll though, but not for what you think it was for. Look it up on a reputable site for a change.
and i'm not saying the us doesn't value lives, but an american life is worth more than any other is the basis of american foreign policy.

I really don't see what's wrong with that. Isn't that what a government of a country is supposed to do: look out for their citizens first? Do you expect the King of Norway to care more about Americans than his own subjects? The idea is baffling.
that's why it's ok to keep third world countries impoverished as long is it lowers the price of american goods.
I bestow upon you the FiveB Award for Outstanding Unfounded Slander Against the United States!!!! Hooray!
you missed my point, i'm saying that the us government treats civilian lives the same way arabic terrorist groups treat the lives of arabs.

And I missed it again. US Government+civilians=arabic terrorists+arabs... Gimme a few moments here.

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Drudge Jr.

08-25-2003, 10:46 PM

You mean the Armenian "geocide" of 1915? You blame the US for that? 1915? Oh, maybe Turkey attacking Kurdish insurgents? I can't say I blame them too much for that really. You have a whole group of people trying to cause a civil war in your country, you tell me what you do.

not genocide

And just so it's out there, Jimmy Carter supported Pol Pot just as much as any other person in any Presidency. It's not only republicans if that's where you were going with that.

i'm no democrat, i hate them both almost equally

And? The US tried as hard as it could to not hurt civilians. Why do you think we spend so much on GPS-guided bombs? We go WAY out of our way to not hurt anyone else, and again I say in my opinion most of those casualties were caused by Iraqis.

you're missing my point, i know the us tries to cut down on civillian casualties. i wouldn't say the us goes "WAY out of their way". in both iraq and afghanistan the us decided to fly bombers higher, trading inevitable collateral damage for safety for the pilots and planes. also i'd like to see some evidence most iraqi casualties were caused by iraqis, its possible i'm just reluctant to believe it.

I think you mean "Operation Just Cause" in which the US captured Manuel Noriega. According to reports, 300 civilians at most died. And to call Noriega a human rights criminal...well, that's just not knowing anything about the issue. He was on the CIA payroll though, but not for what you think it was for. Look it up on a reputable site for a change.

i heard 3000 from chomsky, maybe i misheard or maybe chomsky's just a lier. i have a feeling i know your opinion :)
still, 300 sure is a lot.

I really don't see what's wrong with that. Isn't that what a government of a country is supposed to do: look out for their citizens first? Do you expect the King of Norway to care more about Americans than his own subjects? The idea is baffling.

i dont care how patriotic you are, an american life equals an arab's life equals a vietnamese equals a norweigan life. maybe i'm just to young or stupid to understand otherwise. i dont think i'll ever understand how, for example, killing 5 innocent people is worth saving 1 american hostage.

And I missed it again. US Government+civilians=arabic terrorists+arabs... Gimme a few moments here.

i'm saying their reactions involve the same ideologies

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Doomstone

08-25-2003, 11:25 PM

Maybe it's just me, but as an American, I value American lives more than I value lives of people that don't give a shit about us.

Which is part of the reason why I have to roll my eyes at those who defend the Iraq war by saying "We took out a horrible tyrant" and "Think of the lives we saved" and such. I know they feel the same way about American lives, even if they've convinced themselves of the opposite...

Se7en

08-26-2003, 08:00 AM

In a related story:

France to Israel: No evidence Hamas, Islamic Jihad are ''terror groups''
25-08-2003

France expressed objections to placing Hamas and Islamic Jihad on the European Union(EU)'s list of "terror organizations", according to an Israeli report on Monday.

Israel's Yediot Aharonot website reported that diplomatic advisor to French President Jacques Chirac, Maurice Gourdault-Montagne, told the Israeli ambassador in France, Nissim Zvilli, during a weekend meeting, that there is no evidence that these two organizations are "terror groups."

"If we find that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are indeed terror groups opposed to peace, we may have to change the EU's stand," Gordo conveyed. "However, we mustn't limit ourselves to one, clear cut, position."

The meeting between Zvilli and Gordo, said to be Chirac's right hand man, took place in the framework of Israeli lobbying efforts to include the two Palestinian groups in the EU "terror list".

Some two months ago, the EU added the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestinian to its list, enabling European countries to freeze these groups' assets, and impose other sanctions on them.

France, according to Gordo, is opposed to placing both Hamas and Islamic Jihad on the EU list, and believes Israel should deal with its "terror threats" through political, rather than military, channels.

In addition, with regards to Yasser Arafat's status, the French, according to the report, refused to accept the United States' and Israel's position. When Arafat was discussed in the meeting between Zvilli and the French official, the latter expressed the "legitimacy" of Arafat as opposed to the lack of it regarding the Palestinian Premier, Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen).

In the meantime, Israeli Foreign Ministry officials expressed anger and outrage at the French stance regarding the two palestinian groups. "Such an attitude is one of criminal negligence. It refuses to assume responsibility over the war against terror and thus legitimizes - terrorism." (Albawaba.com)

Oh those wacky French!

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high fly

08-26-2003, 10:05 AM

Speaking of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, they appear on the US terrorist list issued after 9-11.
One might infer that Bush's declaration of war against terrorists would include them and any nation that supports them (coughIranSyriaLibyacough).
Why isn't the White House more specific on this?
Are we going after the bastards or not?
Is there a "hands off" policy for some terrorist groups?

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Reephdweller

08-26-2003, 02:51 PM

One might infer that Bush's declaration of war against terrorists would include them and any nation that supports them (coughIranSyriaLibyacough).
Why isn't the White House more specific on this?
Are we going after the bastards or not?
Is there a "hands off" policy for some terrorist groups?

I believe it will all happen in good time. I think that once stability is for the most part brought to Iraq that the U.S. will position itself within Iraq and will be able to launch quick stategic attacks on these other groups and rogue nations. I also believe Iran, Syria, and other nations that support terror will be dealt with in Bush's second term. I think he's done militarily for now. I also think he'll use the second term to deal with North Korea as well.

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Bergalad

08-26-2003, 02:56 PM

Are we going after the bastards or not?

No, not really. I wish that we were however. Most likely, until Hamas directly attacks an American target the US will stay on the sidelines. I believe we have moved to freeze their assets, but since it comes directly from the budget for the Palestinian Government (which the US contributes millions to, thus funding the terrorism) it is entirely doubtful that the US will act.

On a side note, while driving around today I heard WBAI radio, which without a doubt broadcasted the most hateful propaganda about Israel that I have ever heard on public airwaves. I never heard of this station before, but apparently they are an NPR-carrier and I was actually shocked that the station was saying the things they were.

TheMojoPin

08-26-2003, 03:52 PM

Such as?

I hear hateful propoganda about the French all the time. Is it "OK" to be sick of them, but not Israel?

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Se7en

08-26-2003, 04:21 PM

Such as?

I hear hateful propoganda about the French all the time. Is it "OK" to be sick of them, but not Israel?

In a word? Yes.

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TheMojoPin

08-26-2003, 05:23 PM

Why?

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Bergalad

08-27-2003, 05:08 AM

Such as?
Just take a listen to the station and see. Next week's program is about how the United States framed Libya in the Lockerbie bombing just so we could impose sanctions on them.

We make fun of the French, that's all. What the hosts of the program I heard say about the "Zionist Jews" was pure hate, and that's it.

high fly

08-27-2003, 06:47 AM

...hatefull propaganda about the French...

As a matter of fact, I have had many delightful times in France, fallen in love with a couple of hotties over there, enjoyed the culture, made many friends and have been treated very well.

Call me crazy, but this board just doesn't seem to be a good place to go into it in detail.

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TheMojoPin

08-27-2003, 12:42 PM

Just take a listen to the station and see. Next week's program is about how the United States framed Libya in the Lockerbie bombing just so we could impose sanctions on them.

We make fun of the French, that's all. What the hosts of the program I heard say about the "Zionist Jews" was pure hate, and that's it.

Well that's just crazy talk.

Who the hell are these people and where are they broadcasting from?

But on a less hateful note, Israel annoys me just as much as France. They can be friends in their mutual suckiness.

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