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cmgrap
08-25-2003, 10:37 AM
i didnt write this but it deffinatly makes you think:

Hello, I'll be your SPOILER for today.

Before we even bother investigating psychologically complex Matrix theories, the FIRST and LAST question you should have asked yourself is: "How would robots have managed to take over the world?"

... Are you satisfied with the summarized history provided in Second Renaissance?
... really? .... hmm.

That's exactly the trouble with machines: you're so naive, so easy easy to lie to... so easy to *reprogram* with whatever truth we want you to believe... especially when we Dr0p a thousand megatons of flaming EMP down on your scrambled A.I head.
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June 27th, 2003, 20:49
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"If you want to keep a secret, Tell it, for none will believe.
If you want to hide something, put it where all can see, and none will see."

I already posted spoiler hints at the "Reloaded review" AICN Talkbalk forum about a month ago, but apart from a couple of e-mails, no one seemed to pick up on my meaning. [See my entries there titled "readme.now": I was speaking from the perspective of the Machines. ...Some people just can't appreciate good psychopoetry. XD ]


Important questions to consider:
If machines were to take over the planet, what would be their motive? We see that they supposedly use humans for a power source, but power FOR WHAT purpose? What do these machines DO with their acquired control? What would they do with their spare time, in other words?

And where do *Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics* come into play? If you built a machine that rebelled against you, wouldn't you correct your errors with a new model? Wouldn't you use that new model to wage war against the old disobedient model, if necessary?

PLOT HOLES (that aren't plot holes after all, assuming I'm right), as follows:
If I'm an Evil Robot Empire and I take over the world, am I going to keep my enemies alive to use as captive batteries?
-- HELL NO! It would be in my best interests to utterly *exterminate* my biological opposition.
As I've said in another thread, using living organisms as a power source is inefficient by the laws of thermodynamic loss. The robots obviously couldn't have been too specifically dependent upon sunlight, since we can see that they afterwards managed to adapt themselves to running on human power instead. And if you're smart enough to turn people into biochemical batteries, there are much more concentrated and readily available sources of fuel on the planet besides solar energy that could be exploited. (...Try coal, gas, hydroelectric, geothermal, or nuclear power for starters.) There is no logical reason why the machines would turn to human batteries as their first alternative energy option.

It's also inconceivable that no one -- no scientist, no engineer, no government body -- would have foreseen this glaring abundance of alternate fuel resources before stupidly plotting to blacken the sky in hoping to starve the machines of solar energy, especially since it would mean starving themselves and the rest of the living planet instead, and using an *electromagnetic pulse bomb* to disable the machines at this early stage would have made infinitely more sense... WE DECIDED.
[-- The End!!! The End!!! THE END!!!!!!!!!!!]


But, ho-hum, for the sake of science fiction, let's pretend:
Tell me WHY again I'd want to use *humans* in my battery configuration as opposed to something more manageable -- like for instance, cattle? Whatever happened to all the other animals on the planet? Wouldn't they make good battery-juice, too?

Melrapuo
08-25-2003, 10:38 AM
i couldve sworn somebody posted the link to the messageboard that had all this stuff a month ago or so.

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cmgrap
08-25-2003, 10:44 AM
o sorry if someone did

Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2003, 11:18 AM
z10n=01

I do like this fact. Zion does seem to be in the same gepgrapic location as the First Machine City seen in the Animatrix short: Second Rennaisance.

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Hosp
08-25-2003, 11:48 AM
I pick up on that whole 01 thing when I watched Animatrix myself. I'm not getting involved in anything that anyone else thinks about these movies until I see the last instalment.

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Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2003, 12:14 PM
How about this:

We never see Neo exiting the Matrix in Either of the first two films. (Actually, I only remember seeing Smith/Bane Exit in Reloaded) We see him try right after Cypher shoots Tank and kills Dozer but he says the line went dead. We never see him disappear into the phone like we see Morpheus and others do.

I wonder if this means anything.

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Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2003, 12:26 PM
Here's another one:

The license plate number of the Agents' car in the first film is 70858. Coincidentally , Kevin Bacon's birthday is 7/08/58. (I'm sure Bacon can be linked to a Matrix movie by one actor. And Bacon is the greatest food ever!)


In Reloaded Agent Smith drives up in an Audi with the license plate "IS 5416" Isaiah Chapter 54, Verse 16 reads as follows: "Behold, I have created the SMITH that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy."

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phixion
08-25-2003, 12:33 PM
you people need to do soemthing with your freetime. go get high or something, go play a drinking game, jerk off. but please do something.

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Hosp
08-25-2003, 12:45 PM
jerk off. but please do something


What do you think they do thinking about the third movie?

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badorties
08-25-2003, 12:45 PM
i couldve sworn somebody posted the link to the messageboard that had all this stuff a month ago or so.


Discussion Topic: A Theory on the Matrix and its ending (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=80&Topic=30465)


original link #1 (http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=38092)

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FMJeff
08-25-2003, 02:06 PM
This would all make sense barring one important fact:

We've seen the robots in the tunnels set off an EMP without being affected at all. (in the first Matrix)

Explain that?

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badorties
08-25-2003, 03:57 PM
without a solid text or source to draw from, i feel people let their big brains needlessly complicate things ....

it's just a movie with a very intelligent story line wrapped around a summer blockbuster ....

the message board that this 'major' spoiler comes off as so psuedo-intellectual: just because you've read everything on your philosophy 101 suggested reading list, and have studied every nuance of 1950s sci-fi -- doesn't give you divine insight into the plot of a commercial film ....

reading the above post, i get the worst image of a stereotypical techie/geeky nerd that knows way too much and just seems bitter (or a loud drunk at the end of the bar that just won't shut the fuck up) .....

at times, i enjoy spoilers -- as long as their relatively substansial. what i can't stand is conjecture and ramblings from an internet blowhard ....

and besides, i much prefer this storyline (http://omfgz.8m.com/) -- i think it's much more better

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Doctor Manhattan
08-26-2003, 03:28 AM
We've seen the robots in the tunnels set off an EMP without being affected at all. (in the first Matrix)

Wait, In the first movie I only remember Morpheus' ship setting of the EMP just as Neo exits the matrix after doing whatever he did to Agent Smith (freeing him somehow) Earlier they were set to use the EMP when we first saw a "squidy" but it didn't see them so they didn't use it. I don't remember any robot setting off an EMP.

In the second movie we never see an EMP (unless that's what Neo did after he said he "felt them" and stopped those sentinels, but whatever he did didn't look much like the EMP we see in the first film) the only EMP we are sure about happens off screen (And Bane/Smith is the only survivor, something most of all three audiences I saw Reloaded in missed "Who was that guy next to neo?")

you people need to do soemthing with your freetime. go get high or something...

How about go get high and watch Matrix movies?

End of Matrix: Revolutions

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This message was edited by SofaKingWhat on 8-26-03 @ 7:50 AM

FMJeff
08-26-2003, 09:39 AM
Wait, In the first movie I only remember Morpheus' ship setting of the EMP just as Neo exits the matrix after doing whatever he did to Agent Smith (freeing him somehow) Earlier they were set to use the EMP when we first saw a "squidy" but it didn't see them so they didn't use it. I don't remember any robot setting off an EMP.


Well he's claiming that morpheus and crew are all robots....if that's the case how can they survive the blast too?

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Doctor Manhattan
08-26-2003, 10:51 AM
duh, if they are robots...

in that theoryy are they robots or just programs in a Matrix (with another layer of matrix that they are "freeing" other AI programs from?)

If they are robots, we don't nessessarily know what the time period between the EMP and Neo and Trinty talking at the end of the film is.

But they just ain't robots. No way. But there is always a way to explain stuff in a Sci-Fi Fantasy movie. Them being Robots is just lame. So is a simple Matrix in a Matrix theory.

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badorties
08-26-2003, 12:24 PM
for some bizzarre reason, the 'matrix within a matrix' seems to be the only logical reaon that neo could act as an 'emp' .....

having said that if they are still within the matrix, how are they rescued ...? the first movie illustrated the epic recovery of neo from the matrix to the 'real' world, if it's just another layer of the matrix -- how are set free from the oppression ...?

the robot (no matter how intriguing it might be) theory relies heavy on the public seeing the animatrix shorts, that just seems like a way to alienate the public rather than satisfy the vast majority .....

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Doctor Manhattan
08-26-2003, 03:25 PM
for some bizzarre reason, the 'matrix within a matrix' seems to be the only logical reaon that neo could act as an 'emp' ...

Logic? I thought this was a Sci-Fi movie. Why can't Neo have Superpowers in the real world?

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Doctor Manhattan
08-26-2003, 03:30 PM
I'm sorry for all the repeat posting. PC problems on my end

This message was edited by SofaKingWhat on 8-26-03 @ 9:16 PM

badorties
08-26-2003, 04:13 PM
'logical' in the sense of what works for me, in fitting in with what i know of the story line ....

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Doctor Manhattan
08-26-2003, 05:08 PM
I'm sorry for all the repeat posting. PC problems on my end

This message was edited by SofaKingWhat on 8-26-03 @ 9:16 PM

Doctor Manhattan
08-26-2003, 05:10 PM
I'm sorry for all the repeat posting. PC problems on my end

This message was edited by SofaKingWhat on 8-26-03 @ 9:17 PM

Doctor Manhattan
08-26-2003, 05:18 PM
'logical' in the sense of what works for me, in fitting in with what i know of the story line ....


Well, The Matrix is all about things not being what they seem, so again, what is Logic? What is Real?

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Contra
08-30-2003, 01:35 PM
Well this is an interesting theory. I like how thought out this is, but I don't think it is how things will end.

I really have no idea whats going to happen. I don't think it's going to be this though.


the robot (no matter how intriguing it might be) theory relies heavy on the public seeing the animatrix shorts, that just seems like a way to alienate the public rather than satisfy the vast majority .....


I'm no so sure about that. I mean you don't even find out why the Oracle changes appearance unless you play the video game. The fact is if you are a fan of the movie and you know that pivitol fact are shown in the Animatrix or Enter the Matrix, then you are going to buy it, as many have. It's not alienating it's marketing.

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the robot (no matter how intriguing it might be) theory relies heavy on the public seeing the animatrix shorts, that just seems like a way to alienate the public rather than satisfy the vast majority .....


This message was edited by Contra on 8-30-03 @ 5:39 PM