al franken: place your bets

[monsterone]

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j-dubs claims to have mr franken as a guest for the 11am show tomorrow. not since michael madsen has the show had a celeb, and i doubt this is gonna get pulled off.

so i vote no way

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[TheKnicks23]

This will be huge for the show if he's on, and I vote YES!

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[mikeyboy]

I think it will happen. It's only a phone interview, and Franken's on a press junket. Besides, I have to believe that he would relish being the lead-in for O'Reilly.

it's too bad they couldn't have announced it earlier. They'll probably get their biggest audience for the 11:00 show tomorrow, but it could have been bigger.


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[monsterone]

I have to believe that he would relish being the lead-in for O'Reilly.


nice point mikey boy, but honestly, i'm drawing from the dukes & hamptons administrations, and all they ever pulled off was getting punching bags for iris, kenny, andre and the gang.

if these dc boys could pull it off for them, i'd have a new found respect.

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[Steels]

Of course he will be on tomorrow. He's pushing his new book, it's the lead in show to Bill O'Reilly and Ron and Fez seem to be sympathetic to his recent problems with O'Reilly and FOX. In my opinion I think Ron will be thrilled to be able to stick it to O'Reilly, I'm eager to hear how this interview is handled.

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[Se7en]

Bets?

I say Ron verbally blows Franken for at LEAST fifteen minutes.

Who wants the over / under?

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[Yerdaddy]

I'll take that bet. Ron is a genuine independent thinker. He's not only bashed either side, but on issues like post-war Iraq, I think he's expressed very nuanced and informed opinions. He'll take the opportunity to share O'Rielly-bashing, but he will make the point that Franken is not much more than a liberal, lighter version of O"Rielly. Of course what you and I consider the middle ground on politics will be two different things. He won't attack Franken and to you that probably means sipping his D.

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[TheMojoPin]

What Yerdaddy said. He's so smaht. And O'Reilly deserves any smack he gets...not for his politics (Give him credit, he IS very much an independent), but just because he has such an AWFUL radio show that sucks the life out of WJFK on a weekly basis. He makes D&M seem like a breath of fresh, fat air.

Though I wish Franken would get it stuck to him. I don't take any pleasure in this new crop of liberal pundits. I had more of an issue with conservative pundits over the simple fact that were USELESS PUNDITS, not conservatives. Guys like Franken and the new, Bizarro Michael Moore do NOT make things better. More pundits and talking heads with the stench of failed politician about them do NOT help. It's the same deal as before, just from the other side, and it's TERRIBLE.

This just leads to the Fox News equivalent of "fair and balanced"...have one side scream at the other and vice versa, and the only person that's remembered is the one who got to whine their guts out last. Y'know, as opposed to presenting one side in a NON-DEBATE form, then the other, and THAT'S IT. I mean, God forbid. Yay, CABLE NEWS!!! Sock it to ME.

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[Death Metal Moe]

I can see it now.

He'll.......ummmm....call up, and start out........slow........and thoughtfully.


Like he always does...........in a failed attemt to seem...........


smart.




And after he gives, what is sure to be a 2 minute joke set up............he'll deliver the political zinger's punchline.............and pause..........................












to wait for the laugh.......................













I hope the transmitter goes out before he can get on to save Ron and Fez the torment of having this man on air.

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[monsterone]

i just want to know how j-dubs got the author of the #1 best seller on the ny times- in 3 minutes??? ronnie gave 3 minutes to get a guest or no 11 o'clock. how did he pull of a feat that couldn't be pulled off in 2 years? my doubt remains.

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[curtoid]

i just want to know how j-dubs got the author of the #1 best seller on the ny times- in 3 minutes??? ronnie gave 3 minutes to get a guest or no 11 o'clock. how did he pull of a feat that couldn't be pulled off in 2 years? my doubt remains.

I know why, but I ain't saying.

My bet is that Franken will 100% be there (it's a phone interview, btw) because (can I get a cowbell?) Al Franken's book signing tour begins (when?) TONIGHT at a bookstore in the Virginia suburbs of DC (the Border's at Bailey's Crossroades; 7:30).

And, aside from that, there is the fun for him of being on a show that airs between Howard Stern (who Franken lumps in with Ann Coulter on the first page "Note From The Author - page xi - as "an intellectual her" to Senator Joe McCarthy) and Bill "Baby" O'Reilly at noon (who is called many worse - and funny - things through-out the book, including "splotchy").

What other show is he going to call into at 11am in DC? Rush? HA!

Should be a hoot!

In a weird way, the buddies may owe Franken a debt of gratitude if O'Reilly's national exposure as an infant and a bully loses him even more respect from listeners (is that possible?!) and WJFK dumps him on his "splotchy" ass in favor of R&F.

(Of course, it might prove to be ironic if Franken gets his own liberal talk show a year from now, and is put on opposite Ron and Fez in DC).

I'll be listening - and if anyone goes to the booksigning tonight (those of you not glued to the 3 hour pregame show on the radio) tell Franken Ron and Fez sent you...then go one mile down the road to "Five Guys" and demand they rehire Ron and Fez as spokesmen!

Busy night...better rest up.

[KOP]

[Mike Teacher]

not since michael madsen has the show had a celeb,


Well, in terms of the definition of a Celebrity...

Let us remember that Al Franken's entire career has been based on his, and others, analysis of just how Unspectacular his Career really Is.

That was Franken and Davis' schtick from the get go. When Al Franken would get on he would remind us that he was, indeed, Al Franken, and that and correspodence should be addressed to, Al Franken... etc.

Now, the man can Write Comedy. No doubt. He was about the most cuting edge of the first SNL writers, with writing/comedy partner Tom Davis] they got censored by the NBC all the time, screamed at by Lorne, many bits pulled. And many that made it on got hate mail. And calls. But they wrote funny, sick stuff like:

X-Police
Stunt Baby
Stunt Puppy
First, He Cries

I wont explain these here, but they all aired, all written by F+D [oh yeah, the young might not know: Al Franken began as half of Franken and Davis, a spectacularly bad comedy duo in LA], and all of them got hate mail.

It was the Hate Mail, in fact for 'First, He Cries'
[OK that one I will explain. It's a take-off on the pioneering breast cancer book 'First, She Cries.'

It featured Billy Murray as a sniveling man who is horrified that he now has a 'Deformed' wife after her mastectomy. Funny as Hell. Bea Arthur, the host, thought it was funny. And it was. And offensive. And the calls and letters poured in, and the 'On-Air Apology/Commentary/Rebuttal by Al Franken' was born.

So, they wrote funny bits, did some on-air stuff, almost always aimed at enraging people [which was fine, when it was Funny, it started to Not Be Funny quick], and then Al going on the air, apologizing, all the time reminding then he was, indeed, Al Franken.

The books are THE Textbook examples of books People Buy but Never Read. The NY Times did an article about this a ways back, I remember it well because Science stuff by Stephen Hawking tops the list. Right up there with Franken.

Let us at least admit this, if not for the title of his first book, it would have come and gone and this thread wouldnt exist.

When the 'Fair and Balanced' complaint came from the Network you could HEAR AL franken doing Cartwheels 1,000 miles away...

'Holy Shit!!! They're suing me for the sub-title! Yes!!! Cha-Ching!!! Call the Lawyers and the PR guy, its Press Release Time!!! And call my agent; I want at least another 100 grand of the up-front money for #3 by weeks End! Move it people, I actually am having a Second Fifteen Minutes of Fame!'

Hey, it might be a spectacularly lucid, bold, and insightful look at things, and garner a Pulitzer. Or it might suck ass. Or it might be OK. But sadly none that that, the actual Quality of the material, matters a single tiny bit.

Oh well!!


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[TheMojoPin]

Well, the segment isn't even over, and it's already wasted almost 15 minutes of my favorite hour of the show. Everything Moe, Mike and I said has come true, and then some. Hooooo-ah.

I'm suing myself for mental cruelty.

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[curtoid]

It finished better than it started, because Ron and Fez were able to get him off of his normal talking points, and just talked and joked.

Naturally R&F don't need big name guests, but once in awhile if they can get someone that fits their show at a particular time, 15 minutes to get more exposure, all power to them.

Maybe if Franken became a regular friend of the show (like he is with Liddy, actually - anyone notice that G. Gordon is not trashed in his right wing bashing?) it would be more comfortable, but they don't need him.

I guess this answered the question about Franken's appeal as a radio personality. Stick to the books - stick to the skits.

[KOP]

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From DCRTV.............

Franken Does Ron & Fez - 9/4 - Liberal humorist Al Franken did a telephone interview with WJFK-FM's Ron and Fez during their 11 AM hour on Thursday. Franken's current best-seller "Lies And The Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair And Balanced Look At The Right" was the subject of a recent Fox lawsuit which took offense at the use of cable news channel's motto "fair and balanced" in the title. That suit was recently thrown out by an NY court. By the way, evening talker Bill O'Reilly is the Fox Newser who pushed for the suit. His show immediately follows R&F on DC's 106.7.....



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[TheMojoPin]

Blech.

YARGH.

GLAAAAAAAAH.

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[Mike Teacher]

I didnt catch it.

How was it?

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[TheMojoPin]

See my above post.

It stopped the show dead, except when they making frun of O'Reilly. The rest of it was bland, vague politicizing on the part of Franken with little to no input from Ron or Fez.

I kept waiting for Ron to bring up the old SNL stuff, but no dice. It wasn't exactly "sippin' d", Se7en, but it wasn't much better.

No slam on the guys, these kinds of interviews aren't any fun on ANY show, because the guest just wants to push their latest thing and get the hell out of there.

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[UnknownPD]

It stopped the show dead

Agreed..I guess it makes them more legitimate to interview someone as current as Franken, but seemed like he couldn't give a shit. Yeah I "go where they tell me" "what day is it?" And what the fuck was with the Joe Conason reference? Besides Ron and a few polictical junkies does anyone even know who he is?

[monsterone]

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i might have been wrong, but it still was bad.

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And what the fuck was with the Joe Conason reference? Besides Ron and a few polictical junkies does anyone even know who he is?

[color=purple]Much like Franken, he's a liberal author and also writes a column for the New York Observer.

I haven't heard the interview yet, but look forward to doing so. What would really make for some great radio, however, would be to see Ronnie take on a windbag like O'reilly himself.

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[UnknownPD]

Much like Franken, he's a liberal author and also writes a column for the New York Observer


I think my comment was rhetorical

[GaryWyze]

[color=purple]I think you're wrong.

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[curtoid]

The interview was not a train wreck; it broke up the flow for what we've come to expect from the 11am show, and would have fit the format of the evening version more, but it was something they couldn't pass up if given a chance, and they salvaged it at the end when they got him just talking.

He was unfamiliar with them, so he was gun shy, but afterwards, the word is, he really liked them and had a lot of fun.

In a nut shell - it was 15 minutes out of one show.

They don't do interviews all the time - they don't need to - but this was one they actually wanted, and when they were able to wrestle control back of the show, it was fine. And down the road, when there are other guests they actually want to get, it will help to say they had on someone other than Michael Madsen and a Baldwin brother.

[KOP]

[Death Metal Moe]

Everything Moe, Mike and I said has come true, and then some. Hooooo-ah.


Score one for the good guys.

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[Tony Clifton]

It would have been great if Mr. Franken would have recieved calls from Iris, Kenny Allen, and Andre.

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[Se7en]

I'll take that bet. Ron is a genuine independent thinker. He's not only bashed either side, but on issues like post-war Iraq, I think he's expressed very nuanced and informed opinions.

Holy Christ.

Well, if you truly feel this to be true about Ron, than I deserve the label of "independent thinker" as well.

He'll take the opportunity to share O'Rielly-bashing, but he will make the point that Franken is not much more than a liberal, lighter version of O"Rielly.

I didn't listen to the inteview (I was in class at the time), but did he do this, someone?

I'm EXTREMELY skeptical that he made that point about Franken.

Of course what you and I consider the middle ground on politics will be two different things.

I'd say so.

You may consider Ron being in the "middle" because he criticizes Democrats......like Joe Lieberman.

(Of course, we all know what he criticizes him for.)

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[TheMojoPin]

You may consider Ron being in the "middle" because he criticizes Democrats......

Actually, I would. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that he's VERY similar to O'Reilly in that regard. O'Reilly IS an independent, but with leanings towards the right...Ron is the opposite. He clearly leans towards the left, but still seems to fall pretty close to that middle ground that I'd confidently say MOST Americans ultimately are in. They may tend to vote a certain way, but when it comes down to it, they just generally don't like ANYONE when they're in office.

But ultimately it's moot, because who gives a damn about Ron & Fez's politics? They're not politicians, they're not a news organization...they should be able to be as biased as they want if they decide to be!

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[curtoid]

I find it interesting that so much is being made about Franken, a comedian who had the dumb luck to piss off someone as stupid as O'Reilly (he tried it before with Rush, and the guy didn't bite), especially considering the white noise of the right wing radio shows/tv shows/tv networks/etc.

That one guy - a comedian - can get this much venom is pretty funny, and the fact that Ron is getting heat for having him on is even more amusing.

The one radio talk show that doesn't suck the ass of this administration, and suddenly they are branded with liberal bias?! THAT is really, really funny.

As far as Franken goes, the guy does poke a lot of holes in the credibility of Hannity, O'Reilly and Coulter by showing how they have made careers out of taking stuff taken out of context, or in some cases (like a popular quote Bush likes to use when defending the economy) out and out made up, and pointing it out, and presenting it with the proper context - and he does it in a humorous way.

At his recent book tour appearances, he likes to show an example of the lieing in action, using Ann Coulter's new book, which came out right as Franken's book was being "put to bed," and made a bet with a friend of his that he could turn to any page of that book and find a lie faster than his wife could find her lipstick. Sure enough, he flipped to a page that had a quote from the NY Times; he went and did a Lexus/Nexus search; found and printed the article; and found the quote, which completely, in the context of the actual article, did not support Coulter's claim.

Informative and amusing.

But he's a celebrety, so we shouldn't listen to him - because the Democrats and liberal Hollywood...blah...blah...blah...blah...

Meanwhile, the only party that I see actually electing Hollywood celebs in droves are the GOP (Sonny Bono, Reagan, Cooter, Gopher and if they have their way, Ah-nold), while Clint was mayor of one town.

And like making all general statements, those of you who think you know Franken because he's a liberal Democrat, keep in mind that (a) he has been on 3 USO tours entertaining OUR troops (b) he is going to Iraq for a 4th this fall, (c) he supported the war last spring and even (d) participated in one of those Clear Channel "Hazzah For America" things they sponsored around the country.

Franken ain't perfect - he's self-obsorbed, cranky and at times goes out of his way to do some outrageous things just to get a reaction or make a point (something even his son chides him about, as detailed in the book), but he is saying things a lot of people like myself (someone who, during the five Presidential elections I've voted in, have voted twice for Republicans, twice for Democrats and once for an Independent), and possibly Ron, need to hear in order to get a laugh during this very *interesting* time in our history.

To take him that serious, though, where he is perceived as any sort of threat - so much so that he has to be sued and shouted down and ridiculed - is REALLY giving him more energy and power than he needs...sort of like Galactus.

Ok...I really have run out of steam...

[KOP]

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[Death Metal Moe]

And after all that, Franken still sucks dicks. I'd listen to Hannity read the phone book on the radio before I took a free copy of one of Franken's book of lies.

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I'd listen to Hannity read the phone book on the radio before I took a free copy of one of Franken's book of lies.

Damn...and here I got you a copy.

[KOP]

[Steels]

Al Franken is not a celebrity.

The interview sounded like Ron and Fez being merry and chuckling along with an old chum. You'd fucking think they all went back twenty years. I just thought it was real weak.

It would have been great if Mr. Franken would have received calls from Iris, Kenny Allen, and Andre.

Sorry Mr. Clifton but such "bits" are designated for weaker, easier targets.

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[Death Metal Moe]

Al Franken is not a celebrity.


He's worse. He's one of those non-celebrities who acts like he is a celebrity.

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The Fox "lawsuit" inspired more laughs nationwide than any of Franken's recent material.

Fox reaped unto itself peals of finger- pointing laughter and oceans of guffaws, and what made the whole thing even more delectable was hearing O'Reilly claiming "victory".

We should at least be grateful to Franken for inspiring such nitwittery from the dolts at Fox.

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[UnknownPD]

Meanwhile, the only party that I see actually electing Hollywood celebs in droves are the GOP (Sonny Bono, Reagan, Cooter, Gopher and if they have their way, Ah-nold

I think this is the point of many on the right. It is easy for Tom Hanks or Sean Penn to criticize, but the people you named actually had the balls to go and face real voters and take the risks running in an election and then be held accountable for their actions.
Personally I would not vote for Arnold, but you gotta give the guy his props. He is out there getting eggs thrown on him spending his own money and more importantly not hiding in an ivory tower pontificating on the needs of the masses, but actually risking failure and humiliation for something he believes in.

[TheMojoPin]

I'd listen to Hannity read the phone book on the radio before I took a free copy of one of Franken's book of lies.

Pushing one fibber away while holding the other closer still makes your house a HOUSE OF LIESSSSSSS.

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[TheMojoPin]

He is out there getting eggs thrown on him spending his own money and more importantly not hiding in an ivory tower pontificating on the needs of the masses, but actually risking failure and humiliation for something he believes in.

No he's not. He's clearly distancing himself from all the other serious candidates. He's not even botthering to attend any of the debates. His answers to questions are vague catchphrases that really don't asnwer anything but sound good if you don't think about them too hard. In the end, he's just another celebrity activist. Just because they actually run doesn't make them any more "legit".

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It is easy for Tom Hanks or Sean Penn to criticize, but the people you named actually had the balls to go and face real voters and take the risks running in an election and then be held accountable for their actions.


Well maybe Sean Penn and Tom Hanks KNOW they have no reason to be in politics. I don't think you should penalize celebrities for not running for office, that at least shows some kind of check on their egos. For an actor to believe that he should run anything larger than a small town i think is just vanity. Sean Penn and Tom Hanks may have political beliefs, but as far as i know they are allowed to have them.

[Death Metal Moe]

Arnold shouldn't win, even if he could. And the other Republicans in the race are so far behind in the polls that it doesn't matter.

Everybody was pissed at Davis but no one is willing to get someone with different views in office to correct his mistakes. At least that's what the last polls I saw were saying.

Let California have thier failed Liberal programs. They're choke on the eventually. You know the old saying about giving a man enough rope.......

And Al Franken is a Z list celebrity who gives Brazilian men hand jobs in the Village.

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Let California have thier failed Liberal programs. They're choke on the eventually. You know the old saying about giving a man enough rope.......

LIVING WITH YOU IS LIKE LIVING IN A LIVING NIGHTMARE!!!

This always sounds good, but usually the people that say seem to have zero clue as to California's political history. The current budget/energy is due to bi-partisan bungling for almost 30 years now. Get rea, my friend,l and stop pretending like a schmuck like Davis could have done all this himself in the time he had.

And Al Franken is a Z list celebrity who gives Brazilian men hand jobs in the Village.

Sssssooooooooo, in other words, he's just another modern media pundit? I'm shocked Fox News hasn't given him a primetime slot yet.

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[curtoid]

Hey, based on the performance I saw last night (I rented PREDATOR and decided to watch that instead of Bush's speech) I'd vote for Arnold. He was smart in that one.

As far as states and their governors, the big story for me in the 2002 election was not that the GOP held onto Congress, but that so many states tossed out the incumbent party out of their individual governor's mansions - the fact that Maryland now has a Republican governor and Kansas has a Democrat was just the tip of that story.

All of the states, not just "Collie-four-kneee-ahhh" were in a mess; I'd love for someone to do a report on how they are doing one year later.

And Al Franken is a Z list celebrity who gives Brazilian men hand jobs in the Village.

You've confused her with Kathy Griffin...again.

Sssssooooooooo, in other words, he's just another modern media pundit?

I like it when Mojo is blunt with his sarcasm.

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[UnknownPD]

Well maybe Sean Penn and Tom Hanks KNOW they have no reason to be in politics. I don't think you should penalize celebrities for not running for office, that at least shows some kind of check on their egos.

So, what you are saying is that there should be professional politicians and only they should run for office. Or is it that everyone else has a right to run for office except celebrities. They just get to tell us what we should think and we in turn ooh and ahh in amazement at their wisdom and understanding.

I thought the point of living in a Democracy was that anyone could make a change. That anyone had the right to stand up and run for office.

Lastly I am sorry that Arnold did not demure himself to you and that his ego "is not in check" But the guy has every right to run. This country has been succesful because unexpected people stood up and took risks.

[Bill From Yorktown]

Dennis Miller had a very good point on the "cough cough Radio Chick cough cough" the other morning - for all the Arnold Bashers - he set a goal of coming to America and making himself the best/biggest bodybuilder and took himself to the top. When that ran out, he set a goal of being a big movie star, and then did it.

His determination and tenacity are commendable. He's way better a role model than someone involved with shady landscams and perjury (to name 1 person, there are a huge number of other people to call on, including people currently in office). Does he "deserve" to run - please anyone deserves to run. It's what this country's politics are based on. To tell you the truth, with all the "spin doctors" working for the governor, who tell the gov what to do/say, he wouldnt be any worse than anyone else, and at least he's have some charisma and people would be inclined to listen. California could do worse.

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[TheMojoPin]

Holy crap in an ice cream cone, NOBODY is saying he can't run. I'm saying people shouldn't VOTE for him. The guys hasn't flat-out answered a single key question. Sure, politicians spin and dodge the tricky inquisitions left and right, but Arnold is clearly just parroting vague buzzwords that have been tossed at him. His biggest tactic so far has been to ignore what he can't handle, and that kind of mentality ISN'T going to work if you end up being the head cheese in charge.

And the celebrity-activist hypocrisy is so fuckin' rank in this thread is not even funny. Anyone else says something (ie-"hippie liberal celebrity"), they clearly don't know what they're talking about and can't fix anything, blah-blah-blah...but Arnold's OK because he's RUNNING with his celebrity ignorance and he worked really, REALLY hard to make his muscles all big and shiny!

OK then.

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[Bill From Yorktown]

if, with all his shortcomings, Arnold gets elected, then CA gets what they deserve. Period.

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[A.J.]

Holy crap in an ice cream cone,

Now I'm starvin'.

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