Sept 11 as a holiday

[furie]

I know this has been discussed plenty here and in the real world. But I'm not talking about a national holiday, but maybe a State or even city holiday.

What do you guys think?


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[RocOutWithYACockOUT]

I don't really think Sept.11 should a holiday. Over a period of time holidays lose their original meaning. It will be then become just another day off of school for kids and a day for stores to have a sale on microwaves.


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[furie]

i think making it local would help perserve the meaning.


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[TheMojoPin]

There's no Pearl Harbor Day.

Learn from that.

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[Melrapuo]

It's already practically an unofficial (or rather, not declared) day of rememberance. There is no need to make it a "holiday". But I'd have to disagree with Roc, cuz there's a day of rememberance for other tragedies, but most of them don't involve barbaque's and gift exchanges. If they want to set it as a memorial day then thats ok, but I don't think its really needed, since we haven't forgotten about it. Maybe if it were 10 years or so from now, because I'm sure that by then people would've started to forget about it.

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[furie]

i hate that example. apples and oranges. pearl harbor was a legitimate military target.


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[douchebagsean]

the whole idea of having a 20% off sale at bed bath and beyond as a way to commemorate september 11th is just way too sickening an idea to comprehend...there are other ways to remember the events without making it an official holiday...besides people will celebrate that day their own way, whether its a holiday or not...its always been my opinion that if you need an official holiday to remind you of those events you should ask someone to help remove your head from your ass

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[douchebagsean]

since we haven't forgotten about it.
the sad thing is so many people have already begun to forget about it

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[monsterone]

light a candle- that seems to be the way most people will dignify the day. by calling something a "holiday" kind of feels celebratory and unfit.

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[TheMojoPin]

How about "Titanic Day"?

Or "Vietnam Day"?

Or "San Francisco Earthquake Day"? Heck, you could have two of 'em.

"Flaming Chicago Day"?

You simply can't control how history shifts and how people in later generations react. You can create all the holidays (Bad idea) and memorials (Good idea) you want, you just cannot force people born after this even to feel the same way all of us have felt and still feel about it, no matter how noble your intentions are.

The most that can be gained from it is ensure that it's always taught what happened, why it happened, and what was sacrificed that day. The most important lessons for the future are learned by our own history, and that's what later generations can most hope to gain from 9/11 and the events that have directly followed.

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[squrl]

Actually, I have a VFW calendar and it lists Sept. 11 as Patriot Day. I'm not sure what that means as far as being official.

[squrl]

Just looked it up and this is what I found:

Patriot Day, September 11th

On December 18, 2001, President George W. Bush signed Public Law No: 107-89: an amendment to Title 36 of the U.S. Code designating September 11th as "Patriot Day". Find it at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.J.RES.71.ENR:

In remembrance of the September 11th attack on America, the Patriot Day amendment calls upon the President to issue a proclamation each year calling on the American people to:

hold appropriate programs and activities,
observe a moment of silence, and
fly the Flag of the United States at halfstaff from sunrise to sunset.
Information about the United States Flag -- its history, its display, and Flag etiquette -- can be found at the website of the Flag Foundation: http://www.americanflags.org

Additionally, patriotic Americans are urged to keep their car headlights burning during daylight hours while driving.

According to supporters of the "9/11 Lights On!" campaign, it is designed "to pay respect to the victims of that day, show our nation's solidarity and show support for our men and women of the Armed Forces."

[Melrapuo]

i hate that example. apples and oranges. pearl harbor was a legitimate military target.

I can see where you're coming from, but does it matter the reasons or the manner in which the people died? Both were national tragedies. Thousands died on both dates. And both were acts of war.

And its the only example I can think of where America was caught offguard. I'm sure there are others, but thats the first one that came to mind.



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[Doogie]

There's no Pearl Harbor Day.

Learn from that


I couldnt agree anymore with you. Let us just honor those who died and NOT turn it into a holiday. A holiday is for something joyous. Yes celebrate a war day with Veteran's Day, but that was a celebration in honor of an end to a long and bitter war where the world believed that wars would end. Or rather that wars so terrible would/shouldnt never happen again.

Know this, ALL holidays are perverted by marketing schemes/ploys and I wouldnt want to see the sacrifices that many made that day be perverted for a card sale from Hallmark, and so forth...

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[silera]

I think the best way to commemorize it is to preserve it as a day like any other. I don't mean forget, but I think one of the most amazing things about 9-11 was that it did not cripple the nation. By making it a holiday, they'd somehow garner the effect they were after. I'm not doing a very good job of articulating it so I'll shut up now.


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[Teenweek]

It is fine the way it is. It is called Patriot Day and is a day of rememberance not a time for 50% off sales.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

"Flaming Chicago Day"

That sounds funny. Lets have that holiday!

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[Bill From Yorktown]

I couldnt agree anymore with you. Let us just honor those who died and NOT turn it into a holiday. A holiday is for something joyous. Yes celebrate a war day with Veteran's Day, but that was a celebration in honor of an end to a long and bitter war where the world believed that wars would end. Or rather that wars so terrible would/shouldnt never happen again.


yes - everyone knows a holiday is a day off from work, where you burn some dead animals on the grill, drink way too much beer, and then fall alseep in front of the tv watching a ballgame :-). Seriously I agree - making it a holiday will not "memorialize" it but trivialize it.


p.s. the Fricking Christmas store has been open in the mall under Rockefeller Center for 2 weeks now.

It's not even Halloween yet.

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[Furtherman]

I'll be lighting a candle and remembering my friends.

[Se7en]

It should be a holiday.

Not necessarily one that people get a day off of work from, but it should be a day of remembrance, one where events / ceremonies are held to remember what happened. Call it "Patriot Day" if you want.

It should NOT be remembered as just any other day.

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[Teenweek]

It should be a holiday.

Not necessarily one that people get a day off of work from, but it should be a day of remembrance, one where events / ceremonies are held to remember what happened. Call it "Patriot Day" if you want.

It should NOT be remembered as just any other day.

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It is called Patriot Day. A national Holiday you get a day off work and get supersales at dept stores.

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[furie]

How about "Titanic Day"?

Or "Vietnam Day"?

Or "San Francisco Earthquake Day"? Heck, you could have two of 'em.

"Flaming Chicago Day"?

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Again, bad examples. There are no other events to compare the WTC to. The titanic, the two earthquakes, and the fire were accidents. 9-11 wasn't. And Vietnam, (even though it's not a single event), has two days, Memorial Day and veteran's day.

The Titanic isn't even an American tragedy.



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[TheMojoPin]

Memorial Day and veteran's day.

So why can't Memorial Day apply to 9/11 if we just lump everything else like Vietnam into it? I know Veteran's Day is specifically for the millitary, but isn't Memorial Day for "American lives lost"?


The Titanic isn't even an American tragedy.

You know what I mean. You don't see the British setting one up. And by that note, what about all the other countries plagued by terrorism? You don't see Israel with a lot of terrorism-related holidays. It just all smacks of cheapening a significant event.

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[scorpion]

Patriot Day, September 11th


It should be a day of rememberance and honor for those we lost because of nothing more than living their lives and providing for their families.

We were reminded of who our heros were by losing them as they rushed in to do what they do best. Protect and Serve the innocent from harm.

It is easy to forget how hard their jobs are and above all how Police, Fire, and EMS are willing to give their lives in exchange for ours.

We all lost alot that day.


Family
Friends
Neighbors
Security
Innocence



A day off not do anything to help me to remember what happened that day and how all our lives changed forever.



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[mdr55]

i think making it local would help perserve the meaning.


If this happens, what the time traveller said in relation to government being more local and U.S. divivded into 5 regions, may happen.

But back to the thread, who has the power to make it a holiday? The president? He's not even going to be at ground zero this year.

Fight the Establishment. Down with censorship!!

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[A.J.]

We all lost alot that day...


Innocence

I thought we lost our innocence when JFK was killed.

But back to the thread, who has the power to make it a holiday? The president?

I think the President declares the holiday but the states have to vote on whether to accept it. I think that was part of the problem with the MLK holiday -- Arizona failed to recognize it for several years after Reagan declared the holiday.

The president? He's not even going to be at ground zero this year.

Why should he be? He'd just be accused of trying to milk political mileage out of it.

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[furie]

i think making it local would help perserve the meaning.


If this happens, what the time traveller said in relation to government being more local and U.S. divivded into 5 regions, may happen.

But back to the thread, who has the power to make it a holiday? The president? He's not even going to be at ground zero this year.

Fight the Establishment. Down with censorship!!

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wow. you love that time traveler thread, don't you?


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[Heather 8]

Personally, the thought of making September 11th a holiday sickens me almost as much as the memo going around my office this week, which contained the following:

''Celebrate 9/11 by wearing your brightest red, white, and blue!''

Now, I realize they probably meant well, but using the word celebrate in conjunction with one of the most heinous acts in world history is too much for me to stomach.

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