Israel, India pledge cooperation

[Bestinshow]

I find it interesting that so many muslim groups are protesting diplomatic ties between Israel and India.
I wonder what the political backlash would be if groups protested a non-muslim country furthering diplomatic ties with a muslim country instead. Do you think these groups would be ostracized?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030910/wl_nm/india_israel_sharon_dc_4

Muslim groups and some left-wing political parties have organized several peaceful protests condemning India's ruling Hindu nationalists for moving closer to Israel.

Isn't it kind of odd to protest a country forming closer relations with another?

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This message was edited by Bestinshow on 9-10-03 @ 2:48 PM

[A.J.]

I'm not surprised by Israeli-Indian cooperation -- they have a common foe: Iran. Israel fears Iran's nuclear aspirations and India wants pre-eminence in the region.

I don't recall any protest over the long-standing U.S. alliance with Pakistan; well, until that shipment of F-16s was banned by Congress in the 1990s because of Pakistan's nuclear program.

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[Bestinshow]

Well thats my point pretty much. If any group protested an alliance with a Muslim country, they would be slammed for being anti-Muslim. Yet protests for an alliance with Israel goes unfettered.

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[TheMojoPin]

I'd protest it if I was an Indian, simply because the very existence of the alliance makes my country and people now a much more likely target for terrorism and extremists, and I don't need that.

But that's just me. The reasons behind the protests in the article seem pretty heavy-handed and absurd.

"We cannot forgive the...government for getting on its knees before Israel, which would like to destroy secularism and brotherhood in India," Shyamdhar Pandey, a leader of the Samajwadi Party, which has a strong Muslim base, told the Calcutta demonstrators.

Sure they would, chief.

If any group protested an alliance with a Muslim country, they would be slammed for being anti-Muslim.

Where are you talking about? The protests in the article happened in India, but you're talking about something that might happen HERE.

Also, I think you're overreaching. For example, people here protest America's alliance with Saudi Arabia all the time without being deemed "anti-Arab" or "anti-Muslim" by the public-at-large. I should know because I've been one of them on several occasions.

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[Bestinshow]

I'd protest it if I was an Indian, simply because the very existence of the alliance makes my country and people now a much more likely target for terrorism and extremists, and I don't need that.


Im glad alot of governments dont use that strategy. As soon as a country became a target of terrorism they would be thrown to the wolves and left on their own by everyone,for fear of being victimized themselves. Many small countries would just be overrun, as everyone would turn their back, rather than draw the ire of the terrorist group.

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This message was edited by Bestinshow on 9-10-03 @ 4:01 PM

[TheMojoPin]

Except that isn't the case here.

Israel has taken it's war on terror as far as it can go through conventional means, and they haven't been "overrun". They've had very little direct support and aid in fighting this battle. They've also shown that they can more than handle themselves in traditional combat siuations without largescale foreign support. All standing by Israel has done is lead to terrorist strikes at other countries BESIDES Israel. What has been gained? Terrorist groups exist solely on the basis not even of destroying Israel, but just destroying US just because we SUPPORT Israel. That's unusual. You don't see the IRA striking countries other than England, or the Chechnyans going after someone besides the Russians. It's not unreasonable to assume India will suffer the same "strain" of terrorism, and I, for one, would want my leaders to consider that. Do the benfits, if any, outweigh the death and destruction of your own people?

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[Se7en]

It's not unreasonable to assume India will suffer the same "strain" of terrorism, and I, for one, would want my leaders to consider that. Do the benfits, if any, outweigh the death and destruction of your own people?

Eh, there's a billion of them.


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Eh, there's a billion of them.


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Actually, Israel and India share a community of interests in that they are almost "bookends", containing Islam geographically. The Hindu Nationalist party in power now is very similar to the Likud in that they were elected to do something about the extremist Muslims killing Hindus in Kashmir and other parts of northern India. The far end of Islam (from our perspective) is actually much more dangerous in that the sides (Pakistan and India) are both nuclear states and are more evenly matched, making a "getting in the first punch" military strategy much more important. Plus there are extremeists on both sides already killing innocents for the propaganda value in Kashmir and beyond so terrorism is already there. No good.

Salman Rushdie's book Midnight's Children is a good read for anybody interested in some of the Hindu/Muslim history.




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This message was edited by Recyclerz on 9-10-03 @ 5:54 PM