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Reephdweller
09-10-2003, 05:29 PM
Between guys sending themselves as packages being unnoticed by cargo screeners, to this story, it's a wonder if we've learned anything at all about how open we are to terrorist attacks. The very same idiots who look for ways to exploit our every weakness. Got to see what a massive power outtage could do. What loopholes in security exist, and how easy it is to move dangerous stuff in and out of the country without a problem.

Customs Fails to Detect Depleted Uranium - Again

Sept. 10- For a second year, U.S. government screeners have failed to detect a shipment of depleted uranium in a container sent by ABCNEWS from overseas as part of a test of security at American ports.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Primetime/sept11_uranium030910.html

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Yerdaddy
09-10-2003, 05:42 PM
ABCNEWS is going to find itself in Gitmo if it keeps this up.

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09-10-2003, 05:48 PM
"Yeah? So the fuck what?"

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sr71blackbird
09-10-2003, 05:56 PM
It juest goes to show that we are getting lax in our security again. When the first World Trade Center bombing occured, we got strict for a few months, and then we slowly began to relax. The same things happeneing now. The govenment puts on a "show" to make the public believe that they are looking into things. I understand the enormity of the task. In an attempt to demonstrate that a delibertly mislabled package containing a potentially dangerous substance was in out transportation system, our first reaction is to contain the shipper and not the shipment. Its the sad truth and the reason we will be attacked again. But when you consider the amount of people needed to safeguard the country, youll realise that its an impossible goal, because of the number of avenues that are available to a would-be-terrorist. Our free society is what allows this movement, and may ultimately doom us as well, but Id rather die free than a slave to a bureocratic system.


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furie
09-10-2003, 06:08 PM
the person who wrote this article knows nothing about the industry. But I have no doubts it's true.

First, ther are NO cargo screeners. none. the job does not exist. When they say cargo screeners and Homeland Securty agents they mean customs inpectors. the same job. it's slightly misleading because "screeners" work for TSA, not CBP. TSA does screen cargo somewhat, but only Air frieght inside the US and not by using screeners.

It'd be next to impossible to check most or all of the cargo coming from outside.


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Mike Teacher
09-10-2003, 06:52 PM
This was Depleted Uranium.

If it was Uranium-235 and pure enough, 10 pounds would level a city with a Hiroshima size [16,000 tons of TNT] explosion is two sub-critical masses were brought together fast enough [which is all you need to do to make an atom bomb]...

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TheMojoPin
09-10-2003, 07:58 PM
When the first World Trade Center bombing occured, we got strict for a few months

The even scarier thing is that we DIDN'T. Sure, we had troops in the airports and on the streets and planes patroling the skies, but close to NOTHING was changed with average, everyday procedures.

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Reephdweller
09-11-2003, 02:27 AM
Reporters in Uranium Story May See Charges

By JOHN SOLOMON
Looks like this reporters for ABCNews are in trouble...

The Associated Press
Wednesday, September 10, 2003; 8:43 PM

WASHINGTON - Federal authorities are considering criminal charges against ABC News reporters who smuggled harmless depleted uranium into the country past Homeland Security screeners for a second straight year for an investigative piece on lax border security.

ABC News said Wednesday night it believes its actions constituted legitimate investigative journalism that highlights America's anti-terror security on the eve of the second anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

"In our view, we do not believe we are in violation of the law because it was not our intent to defraud the U.S. government, to smuggle in contraband or to avoid duties," ABC News Vice President Jeffrey Schneider said Wednesday. "It was to test the system."

The report by investigative correspondent Brian Ross and his producers is set to air Thursday.

Law enforcement officials said the effort by the reporters to smuggle about 15 pounds of depleted uranium into Los Angeles from Jakarta, Indonesia, appeared to violate laws, including falsely declaring the contents of the package.

"We believe ABC News may have broken the law, and we are pursuing the appropriate course of action,"

more... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A57325-2003Sep10?language=printer)

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CaptClown
09-11-2003, 03:27 AM
Exactly how radioactive is depleted uranium? If it had been an actual nuke, it would have been too late to do anything once it reached the port.
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TooCute
09-11-2003, 08:06 AM
<a href="http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm">Depleted Uranium</a>


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Mike Teacher
09-11-2003, 09:32 AM
Exactly how radioactive is depleted uranium? If it had been an actual nuke, it would have been too late to do anything once it reached the port.


There are 'different' forms of Uranium.

If you mined Uranium, you would get 99%+ Uranium-238, all the 238 means is thats the total numbers of protons and neutron in the nucleus.

There is also Uranium-235; U-235.
All Uranium is radioactive. It emits radiation.

What happens when it emits radiation? Well, one of the atoms in the sample of Uranium Spontaneously goes 'pop' and emits radiation. Depending on what type of radiation it emits, the Uranium atom changes into something other then Uranium. A different element. Over time a sample of pure Uranium will decay, emitting radiation, and becoming other elements, eventually Lead.

This is nuclear decay. So Depleted U has some U in it, but also some of the other elements the U changed into when it emitted [and still emits] its radiation.

Why is it used? Depleted U is very very dense, meaning if you have five different cubes all exactly the same size; one made of aluminum, one of iron, one of lead, one of gold, one of U.

Picking up the cube of Uranium youd be like WOW this is a LOT heavier then the other cubes, even the Lead! So with U you can pack a lot of Mass [weight] into a small volume [space].

The energy of a bullet is made up of two simple things; how fast its going, and how massive it is. Those add up to it's Energy; Kinetic Energy. The energy of Moving Things.

So! How do you make a bullet more bad-ass? Well, give it more Energy! Well, you only have two things to work with:

1. Make the bullet go faster
2. Make the bullet more massive

Depleted U makes for a bullet or shell, with a greated mass, and hence great Kinetic Energy.

If this energy can be focused on a single point? Well you're half-way to having an armor-piercing shell. The Shell actually is more bad-ass because the Armor-Piercing Tank Round, has an explosive that literally gets injected into the pierced armor, so that it explodes Not on the outside, where the Energy would go mostly to the surrounding air, but INSIDE the vehicle, where all the energy is used to blow the fuck out of whatever and whoever is inside.

Back to U-235. Now this stuff is mean. Only the tiniest fraction of U mined from the earth is U-235, its almost all U-238.

But if you mine, and purify it such that you have a pure enough sample of U-235, you have material that can undergo what is called a Chain Reaction of Nuclear Fission.

Long story short, this Uranium, when a Neutron hits it, splits, just like above, but ir also releases an ENORMOUS amount of energy. When it splits it also emits more Neutrons, which hit the U-235 atoms around it, and in a thousandth of a second, a sample of U-235 will under that reaction so fast that you get the explosion Energy of an atom bomb.

The atom bomb Dropped on Hiroshima was nothing more then two samples of U-235, each not massive enough to undergo the Chain Reaction, being shot together fast enough that the Chain Reaction would begin, and you'd get as much energy out as you could in that millisecond before the whole thing blew itself up.

So when you here a country has Uranium stockpiles, it means they might have enough to start purifying it into U-235. You need a LOT of U to do this, the Manhattan Project was basically about pureifying mountains of rock to gets grams of U-235.

Having said this; there is a LOT of this stuff missing, along with Plutonium, another element, very similar to Uranium. Plutonium is one of the by-products of some of these nuclear reactions.

Plutonium is about the deadliest stuff, chemically, on earth.

Ugh I'm rambling...

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09-11-2003, 10:26 AM
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furie
09-11-2003, 10:59 AM
When the first World Trade Center bombing occured, we got strict for a few months

The even scarier thing is that we DIDN'T. Sure, we had troops in the airports and on the streets and planes patroling the skies, but close to NOTHING was changed with average, everyday procedures.

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that's actually not true at all. the everyday proceedure were changed completely. The old regulations under 14 CFR were scrapped and a whole new set were written. It has become much more strict. The thing I like the most, it's not changed proceedures or stepped up inspections, it that we don't turn a blind eye to anything now.


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TheMojoPin
09-11-2003, 11:20 AM
You're talking airport and airline security specifically. I was addressing steps to up security in general around major cities. It was more of a vague, "be aware" suggestion.

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furie
09-11-2003, 11:22 AM
oh, ok.


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