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curtoid
09-15-2003, 09:59 AM
Sorry if this doesn't merit it's own thread...

The Associated Press
Monday, September 15, 2003; 1:40 PM

SAN FRANCISCO -- A federal appeals court postponed California's Oct. 7 gubernatorial recall election, ruling the historic vote cannot proceed as scheduled because some votes would be cast using outmoded punch-card ballot machines.

In what was the last of about a dozen legal challenges to the attempt to unseat Gov. Gray Davis, a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Monday it is unacceptable that six counties would be using outdated punch-card ballots, the type that sparked the "hanging chads" litigation in Florida during the 2000 presidential election.

The appellate panel agreed with the American Civil Liberties Union that the voting machines were prone to error and that Davis' fate could be decided later. By that time, the counties have promised to replace their punch-card machines under a court order in separate litigation.

The counties include the state's most populous region, Los Angeles, in addition to Mendocino, Sacramento, San Diego, Santa Clara and Solano. They represented 44 percent of the state's registered voters during the 2000 election.

State officials, who conceded in court documents that the punch-card voting mechanisms are "more prone to voter error than are newer voting systems," were likely to appeal the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

"In sum, in assessing the public interest, the balance falls heavily in favor of postponing the election for a few months," the court said.

It was not immediately clear how the decision would impact the campaign in California's first voter-driven election to unseat its governor. The court withheld ordering the immediate implementation of its decision, allowing a week for appeals to the Supreme Court.

One possibility is that the 9th Circuit, the nation's largest and most liberal federal appeals court, might move the election to the next regularly scheduled primary, on March 2.

The Davis camp, and major Democratic and Republican candidates hoping to succeed him, have been waging an all-out campaign blitz of broadcast messages, fund-raisers and appearances throughout the state.

The San Francisco-based appeals panel overturned an Aug. 20 ruling by U.S. District Judge Stephen V. Wilson of Los Angeles, who said he would not delay the recall election. Wilson said doing so would be acting against the will of California's voters.

In July, Secretary of State Kevin Shelley said more than 900,000 signatures of registered voters were collected to force a recall, and by law, he had about less than three months to call the hurry-up election.

State law also required Shelley to move from the March ballot to the recall ballot the only two voter initiatives that qualified for the ballot. Voting on those measures is also delayed under the ruling.

One measure, Proposition 53, allocates state funding for schools and roads. The other, Proposition 54, prohibits California public governments and schools from tracking employees or students by race.

In other lawsuits, civil rights groups unsuccessfully fought to move Proposition 54 to the March ballot to give minorities more time to study it. In addition, some counties, to cut costs and conduct the election on a hurry-up schedule, were reducing the number of polling places, a move civil rights groups said would disenfranchise minority voters in areas with low voter turnout.

c 2003 The Associated Press



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Doctor Manhattan
09-15-2003, 10:02 AM
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Oh my Got!


The campain will go on too long and confused voters will end up replace Current Governor Gray Davis with this man:

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El Mudo
09-15-2003, 10:23 AM
So i guess the will of the People of the State of California means absolutely nothing...

Gotta love that 9th Circuit.... :confuse:

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Snoogans
09-15-2003, 10:50 AM
take the one good out of this. if this was goin on in jersey, it would be mayhem. people who be screaming about corruption and everything.
but leave it to the state of potheads to not only not seem irritated, but from here at least, it seems they dont even give a damn at all. ive not heard one thing about unrest over the process, they just sit back and wait and ride it out like peaceful people. We really need to legalize weed

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TheMojoPin
09-15-2003, 10:53 AM
So i guess the will of the People of the State of California means absolutely nothing...

Says who?

This is simply a delay on the basis that the current method of voting (punch ballots) is inaccurate, unreliable, and outdated, something that, and correct if I'm wrong, was a HUGE issue on a national level just a couple years ago...

Of course, I'm counting the seconds until this very viable issue is yet again shouted down by accusations of "crybabies" and "sore losers"...

The election that will have nothing to do with 85% of the country will most likely still take place by next spring. Keep your pants on, everybody.

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CaptClown
09-23-2003, 02:29 PM
Game on!!! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51977-2003Sep23.html)


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shamus mcfitzy
09-23-2003, 03:15 PM
I don't know how everyone else isn't completely horrified by the whole recall election. Any of the founding fathers would've crapped themselves if they had been alive to see this fiasco. I guess i'm all up for the demise of "elections", but i would've thought you guys would want to keep this country as something less than humiliating to live in. I don't think the "will of the people" should include voiding elections because you don't like your choice.

friars
09-23-2003, 03:37 PM
can anyone be surprised by the fact that this state
has had crazy referendums voted on by its citizens
and allows illegal workers to live there with little fear of being deported

El Mudo
09-23-2003, 07:34 PM
This is simply a delay on the basis that the current method of voting (punch ballots) is inaccurate, unreliable, and outdated, something that, and correct if I'm wrong, was a HUGE issue on a national level just a couple years ago...


So the exact same voting system that just reelected Gray Davis is now "inaccurate, unreliable and outdated"?



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Se7en
09-23-2003, 07:37 PM
Of course, by now, and rightly so, the previous week's ruling was overturned and the recall will go on.

Ironic, isn't it? The 9th Circuit is so fucked up it wound up holding ITSELF down.

This is simply a delay on the basis that the current method of voting (punch ballots) is inaccurate, unreliable, and outdated, something that, and correct if I'm wrong, was a HUGE issue on a national level just a couple years ago...

Of course, I'm counting the seconds until this very viable issue is yet again shouted down by accusations of "crybabies" and "sore losers"...


Why?

The recall supporters had a valid criticism - those same punch card ballots were perfectly fine a year or so ago when it came to voting Davis in office - why are they now insufficient when his ass is getting kicked out?

The truly funny thing about it all was that it was Davis' job to replace those ballots, but he's dragged his ass on that in the past year; thus, had the recall been delayed, his own laziness in terms of voting reform would have possibly saved him from losing his job. I'm glad that his incompetence (which is what led to this) won't wind up saving him.

The 9th Circuit's reasoning was weak at best, and the decision to overturn their delay - based on the imminent disenfranchisement of at least 500,000 who have already voted via absentee ballots - was proper.

So, sorry folks, it looks as if you won't get to see the 9th circuit or any such court make some sort of ruling which you can then use to invalidate Bush v. Gore.

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Recyclerz
09-23-2003, 08:17 PM
The recall supporters had a valid criticism - those same punch card ballots were perfectly fine a year or so ago when it came to voting Davis in office - why are they now insufficient when his ass is getting kicked out?.
The 9th Circuit's reasoning was weak at best, and the decision to overturn their delay - based on the imminent disenfranchisement of at least 500,000 who have already voted via absentee ballots - was proper.

Shit, I hate it when I have to agree with Se7en. ;)

Fortunately, if he's tossing up multiple posts, the feeling never lasts long.




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monsterone
09-23-2003, 08:24 PM
california's going to hell, or has arrived, via a hand basket. does it really matter which jerkoff you thrown in to the governor's office- no one's going to fix that mess.

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shamus mcfitzy
09-23-2003, 08:27 PM
So, sorry folks, it looks as if you won't get to see the 9th circuit or any such court make some sort of ruling which you can then use to invalidate Bush v. Gore.


well common sense invalidated that...

TheMojoPin
09-23-2003, 10:51 PM
So the exact same voting system that just reelected Gray Davis is now "inaccurate, unreliable and outdated"?

Uhm...yes? Am I supposed to be "caught" on something here?

Whoa, good detecitve work there, Sherlock.

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Voting issues like this are most likely to be addressed at elections, where they're most apparent and obvious. Again, I don't get what the big deal was here. The recall wasn't cancelled. It was delayed. Is this allowed to be an issue EVER? Or will some side always cry foul and bias?

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