Hardcore scientific water question

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If all the glaciers on earth melted, where would the water level be at?

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[sr71blackbird]

If all the glaciers on earth melted, where would the water level be at?



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[Snoogans]

its kinda weird, but i was reading something unrelated the other day that mentioned this. it said that if antartica melted completely, it would take away 100 feet of land. they never mentioned how much the depth would change, but they said roughly 100 feet of the coastline would now be underwater, thats not really that bad

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[sr71blackbird]

The depth would be 100 feet deeper then.
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I want to know the ice is thicker then water logic doesnt aplly here. If ice is thicker, then melting glaciers would lower the level of the oceans. Now all I ever hear about is global warming and ocean levels raising etc. Maybe it has someting to do with the salt? I say lets melt these fuckers and have super huge beaches all around the globe!

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[Snoogans]

The depth would be 100 feet deeper then.

actually no. if you cut off 100 feet of the jersey shore, the water would only need to be about 8-10 feet higher in most places. if the atlantic ocean was 100 feet deeper, all of rt 35 south of like brick wouldnt exist

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[Snoogans]

I want to know the ice is thicker then water logic doesnt aplly here. If ice is thicker, then melting glaciers would lower the level of the oceans. Now all I ever hear about is global warming and ocean levels raising etc. Maybe it has someting to do with the salt? I say lets melt these fuckers and have super huge beaches all around the globe!

not true johnee. its partly true, water expands to take up more space when it freezes. but what you dont look at is, no matter what expension it made, thats water thats not in the ocean now. so no matter, it would add water to the ocean, being that the oceans are lower than they would have been before part of them was frozen.

plus they are kinda discounting global warming. they are starting to think its gonna cool slightly over time if anything

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if the atlantic ocean was 100 feet deeper, all of rt 35 south of like brick wouldnt exist


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Watch the movie "A.I"

For scientific reasons.
























































Cuz no one liked that movie. But now I'm just changing the subject...

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[Heavy]

Dude ive heard that like %90 of glaciers are underwaterDid you think these things were floating?

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[Snoogans]

no dick. but ice caps are mostly on top of a land mass that is just well below the ice. its not like its a block of ice just sitting in a big pool of water

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[ADF]

I say lets melt these fuckers and have super huge beaches all around the globe


If the ocean levels rose, there'd be less coastline and therefore fewer beaches.

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[sr71blackbird]

Did you know that atmospherically, that below "sea level" the atmosphere is under such pressure that the gasses in the air are transformed into water?


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[Recyclerz]

Some triage before Mike the Teacher gets here and cleans this up:

Melt the icebergs already in the water=no change in the sealevel. The displacement is no different than the ice cubes melting in your scotch (or my scotch at least.)

Add the glaciers currently sitting on land mass to the ocean and all of a sudden Waterworld doesn't look quite so stupid. All right maybe it does still look stupid but you're still raising the level of the ocean (again like adding ice cubes to your glass of scotch).

And now I return to my Glenlivet.



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[Melrapuo]

Did you know that atmospherically, that below "sea level" the atmosphere is under such pressure that the gasses in the air are transformed into water?

So if I farted while swimming in the ocean it would liquify?

New meaning to "silent but deadly". Heh.

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[Snoogans]

anyone notice how johnee got real quiet after he made fun of me about the ice caps floating, but once he found out there was land underneath which apparently he didnt know.

Also johnee, your talkin about ice caps. 90% of glaciers are underwater cause yes, glaciers are pieces of ice that are floating, like an ice cube.

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[Mike Teacher]

Some triage before Mike the Teacher gets here and cleans this up:


For right now I'm just sitting back and enjoying the show.

So far; people have about 50% right; the rest is, well, horrific...

Let's Clear up one thing; and without whining about who is right and who is wrong.

As to the ice caps and land...

Can we name the seven continents, please? That will correct two mistakes being perceived as fact here.

This is not just some bullshit response. Name the seven continants; and think about ice caps.

Lets also think about this...

Just how much water is IN those Ice Caps?

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[Snoogans]

so mike is sayin im right. except i mistakenly called icebergs glaciers but same thing, ice caps arent glaciers, the glacier was covering like half the earth. ice caps are just permenantely frozen layers of snow, ice and water on land. right?

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[Melrapuo]

Can we name the seven continents, please?


Sure. North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica and Europe. Where's my prize?
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[Mike Teacher]

If all the glaciers on earth melted, where would the water level be at?


Johnny,

In the above I assumes you were referring to the two giantic ice caps that our planet has.

The polar caps.

[Mike Teacher]

Sure. North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica and Europe. Where's my prize?


So whats under the ice at the North Pole?

So whats under the ice at the South Pole?

One answer is above, one is elsewhere...

Snoogans is correct. and not.

[Melrapuo]

Sure. North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica and Europe. Where's my prize?


So whats under the ice at the North Pole?

So whats under the ice at the South Pole?

One answer is above, one is elsewhere...

Snoogans is correct. and not.

uh...theres ice on top of land?

I heard that if the polar ice caps melted that the sea level would rise 20 feet. does that sound right?

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[Snoogans]

mike, what am i wrong about, not an attack, i just wanna not be wrong anymore.

tell us, this game tease is killin me

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[Mike Teacher]

North Ice Cap = An enormous ice pack, floating on the ocean. There is no land underneath. Submarines have busted through the ice near the North Pole. The North Pole, being afloat, is unstable; hence no permanent Research Stations.

And Recyclerz is exactly correct. Ice, when it melts simply is putting the water above the ice back in the water; the end result is no change is overall level for floating ice.


South Ice Cap = An enormous Ice pack, not floating but on that continent, Antarctica. Since this is on land, it is stable enough to have a permanent station; The Scott-Amundsen Station; which you get to after flying to a place in New Zealand, called CHEECH.

This ice is one land, so if it melts [and it's melting] the sea level will rise with the additional water. Run-off.

How much water is in those caps???????

Les then 2% of the planet's water supply; so the Waterworld scenario is out. I forget the exact number, but it won't be as bad as Waterworld.

Snoogans is indeed correct on sea level rise vs land loss. A 6 foot tide swell indeed will flood a coastal town very nicely.

Think of filling a tub with a bottom with a slight slope. When you begin filling it you notice that water is heading to the back of the tub a LOT faster then the water is rising vertically [sea level].

My apologies for being vague; but hey, you guys are a lot smarter then you think.

You just don;t know the stuff.

And if you think that's a Dig, it aint. This is my specialty; Water Chemistry. I Had to learn it; I don't know shit about a lot of stuff you guys are experts on.

Now...

If someone throws a penny off the Empire State Building and it hits someone in the head; what results????

Oh yeah, and if you stand on the South Pole [and yes, there is a pole there; but they move it, because the ice, even thought it is on land, is moving], and you take a step; what direction are you going?



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[Snoogans]

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the answer is, name this continent.....ASIA!

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[Snoogans]

If someone throws a penny off the Empire State Building and it hits someone in the head; what results????

kill em, no doubt. i read somewhere a penny picks up enough velocity to go 2-3 feet into cement, so a person forget it

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if the atlantic ocean was 100 feet deeper, all of rt 35 south of like brick wouldnt exist



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Thats pretty fuckin funny!!!!



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[Mike Teacher]

mike, what am i wrong about, not an attack, i just wanna not be wrong anymore.


You were correct on everything; you just said the ice caps float; yes they do; except for the one at the south pole.

Q: Why is Ice so Slippery?



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[Snoogans]

i think ice is so slippery cause from the second it comes out of the freezing temp, it instantly starts to melt, even slightly, and the coating of water on the ice makes it slick. am i even in the ball park, i doont know, im just guessing this from sense

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[Melrapuo]

I heard that if a penny is Dr0pped off the Empire State it actually wont kill you, because its too small. Apparently a study was done on this recently to prove it wrong.

Ice is slippery because when you step on it a film of water forms between you and the ice, so theres less friction and, therefore, slippery.

And if you stand on the south pole and take a step in any direction, aren't you always going to be going north?

Thats right. He's sixteen AND he knows his stuff. But he doesn't have a girlfriend. And we can see why. ::kicks dirt and curses at himself::

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[Snoogans]

wow mel, thats almost loser territory
LOSER, a five letter man just like billy, hang your head in shame boy

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[Melrapuo]

Well its not like I've never had any girlfriends. It's just that I've been girlfriend-less for 2 years. And thats just cuz I'm shy. I mean, chicks like me. Come on. How can any woman resist this face?










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[Snoogans]

wow i was just goofin, i didnt wanna get ya down. but your 16, and havent had a GF in 2 years, what the fuck were you doin at 13 and 14


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[Melrapuo]

O I was just playin' around too.

Whatever I was doin' at 14 must've been the right thing, cuz I had some pretty hot girlfriends. I can't remember what I did to get them though. It all happened so fast.

I've had girls say that they find me attractice, but they don't seem to want to go beyond that. Weird.


So yea. South pole. Walk anywhere...you're goin' north.

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[Snoogans]

this doesnt need to turn into lets talk mels love life. i was answering water questions. i wanna get smart, not feel bad for you, bring the ?'s mike

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[Snoogans]

i was just told apparently air resistance slows a penny to about 40MPH and it just hits the ground. i cant buy that. if you Dr0p a pencil and a bowling ball out a window, they hit the ground at the same time

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[Snoogans]

and if thats the case, would the same thing happen to like 4 pennies stuck together like life savers

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[Melrapuo]

i was just told apparently air resistance slows a penny to about 40MPH and it just hits the ground. i cant buy that. if you Dr0p a pencil and a bowling ball out a window, they hit the ground at the same time

Yea cuz both the pencil and the bowling ball are both shaped in a way that air resistance would be less of a factor.

And 4 pennies together would probably kill someone cuz theres an even amount of air resistance. Or at least less effect from it. Maybe if it were the right amount of pennies so the diameter of the penny is the same as the width created by all the pennies attached together. But that would take like 7 pennies

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[Snoogans]

if i Dr0p a plate, that thing is gonna be movin by the time it gets down there, and thats basically a big penny

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[Melrapuo]

Yea thats true. But a plate would be much thicker. And the air resistance placed on it compared to the penny would be the same, but since the plate is shaped smoother than that of a penny (if its edges are smoothed out and rounded), air resistance should be much less of a factor.

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[Recyclerz]

Ice, Ice Baby (http://www.howstuffworks.com/question473.htm)


http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0104/antarctica.map/antartica.rescue.pop.gif

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1535000/images/_1535972_icecubes150.jpg



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[Heavy]

I didnt get quiet, I went to work.

Now tons of usefull information has been posted, and i fully support that. But i still want to know why the water level wouldnt go down as a result of ice (being a larger version of water) melting. If your saying that there in enough water above the water line to compensate for the fact that water has replace the underwater ice with less mass or....something....um



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[Furtherman]

Little trivia for ya... You know what you would find if the ice melted on Antarctica? Atlantis.

The first map you'll see here is called Kircher's Map. It's from 1665 and it was based from Egyptians maps that were passed down through the centuries. The second map is what Antarctica would look like today without the ice (which was developed through satellite imagery).


http://www.lauralee.com/rflemath/emap.gif

A clearer look:

http://www.flem-ath.com/9c1.jpg

Roughly 12,000 years ago the Earth's crust shifted in such a violent way the land mass drifted south... and a civilization was destroyed.

... as legend has it.

[Bill From Yorktown]

Oh yeah, and if you stand on the South Pole [and yes, there is a pole there; but they move it, because the ice, even thought it is on land, is moving], and you take a step; what direction are you going?


well if you are standing on this fictional pole of which you speak and take a step, you go DOWN. If you are at the spot called the south pole and take a step, you are moving north.

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[Furtherman]

You have to look at it from a certain perspective. When you are at the south pole, and you take a step, you have taken a step south.

Think of it as a basketball. You are standing on the south pole... but you are not upside down. You are standing straight up. No matter which way you step, you are taking a step towards the other side of the ball. South.

[Bill From Yorktown]

You have to look at it from a certain perspective. When you are at the south pole, and you take a step, you have taken a step south.

Think of it as a basketball. You are standing on the south pole... but you are not upside down. You are standing straight up. No matter which way you step, you are taking a step towards the other side of the ball. South.


Um, no. The other side of the ball is NORTH. what is north or south is in no way related to if you are "upside down" or not.

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[Furtherman]

Yea... you're right Bill.


damn


Oh well.

Antartica is Atlantis!!

[sr71blackbird]

There was a book about Antarctica being Atlantis, and they talked about a massive land shift like you say, but when you look at the sea floor, youll see that tectonically, its not possible. In the time we have been making maps and traveling around the world (approx 20,000 yrs) the contenents havent moved all that much. They arent floating on water, they are pressed together over the molten mantle, and while they are moving, its not possible for any continent to move they way Atlantis was suppose to move. More likely, Atlantis was a caldera off the coast of Greece that collasped during a volcanic event.

Another interesting thing about continents?
They all begin and end with the same letter!
AmericA
AfricA
EuropE
AsiA
AntarcticA
AustraliA

see what I mean?


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[Heavy]

I still want to know where the water level would be.

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[PutYourAppleOn]

Without air resistance, everything falls at 9.8 m/s^2. Edges on a plate do not effect the rate at which it falls, it is the surface area of the plate and the force of air pushing upwards on the larger surface area that slows it down.

Also, over the years I've heard so many numbers about how high the water level would be that there is no definite number you can point to. You'll just have to wait and see for yourself.

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[Mike Teacher]

I still want to know where the water level would be.


And I want to be able to choose who lives and who dies.

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[Heavy]

Ok, deal. You first. Where would the water be at?

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[FUNKMAN]

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[reeshy]

I still want to know where the water level would be.


If it's over your head...that's all you need to know!!!

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[Snoogans]

johnee if you actually go read the thread, you'll see that mike already said and someone else did too, that the ice in the water displaces the water. like when you put an ice cube is soda, it makes it rise, so when the ice melts, it just goes back to the normal level. hence if the north pole melted, thats all that would happen. the south pole is over land, and so that melting would affect water levels, though we said only about 2% so it would have no significant effect accept right on the coast

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[sr71blackbird]

I still want to know where the water level would be.


I TOLD you, it'll be at the TOP


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[Mike Teacher]

johnee if you actually go read the thread, you'll see that mike already said and someone else did too, that the ice in the water displaces the water. like when you put an ice cube is soda, it makes it rise, so when the ice melts, it just goes back to the normal level. hence if the north pole melted, thats all that would happen. the south pole is over land, and so that melting would affect water levels, though we said only about 2% so it would have no significant effect accept right on the coast


There's your top for this Non-Comedy Pyramid.

Can't be said better then that.

I've had University students that couldn't sum up a discussion this well.

Not blowing smoke, it's just cool after grading Essay Tests from California high school seniors that write at a 4th grade level [long story], and seeing how rare it is for people these days, adults included, to write a good sentence, much less a paragraph.

And it's not because of my posts; I was trying to think up the best way to explain why, when ice melts, the level of water doesn;t change.

The science answer is this:

The Level remains unchanged because bouyant objects displace their mass, not volume, in water. So when they melt, the Mass is replaced, Not volume. So the volume remains unchanged.

And you know what? That's a pretty shitty answer, so I didn;t post it.

It's too full of $5 words.

Richard Feynman won the Nobel Prize in Physics, so he Walked the Walk. And he was trying to explain part of QED, Quantum Electrodynamics; the interaction between photons and electrons, one of the absolute Cornerstones of Physics, and it was a High School audience, and he was struggling, and he finally said:

'I apologize. I am having trouble explaining this to you, but it's not you, it's me. Because I have never had a physics problem that I couldn't explain to a high school audience, at least the basics.'

'If I can't explain this to you, it measn that I don;t know it well enough myself.'

Now here you have a guy who Revolutionized physics [do a google search on Richard Feynman and see a bazillion tribute sites; he's like God in Physics]; and he's constantly saying how stupid he is! He was always saying this!

He knew the difference between Knowing what something Is, and Knowing Something.

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You know what, if you dont wanna answer then fine. I'm waiting for Horde King to come back now. :mad:

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[TooCute]

melting would affect water levels, though we said only about 2% so it would have no significant effect accept right on the coast


It would have no significant effect except on the coast only in terms of what would likely be under water and above water. However it would have a HUGE impact on global climate which is pretty much close to impossible to predict. To say, however, that ice caps melting (due to say, global warming) would only affect coastal areas is grossly misinformed.

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[Snoogans]

if you read it, i said the water levels would only affect the coast. i never said anything about the world climate being affected. how bout you let someone have one when they are right for once, and stop adding shit that you claim i said so you could seem smarter

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[sr71blackbird]

Richard Feynman


That guy was the greatest thing to happen to physics since they introduced bongos to Tuuva!

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This message was edited by sr71blackbird on 9-19-03 @ 8:29 PM

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<a href="http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-RTO-romta&idq=/ff/story/0002%2F20030922%2F170823392.htm&sc=romta&photoid=20010209LA801">Speaking of melting ice caps...</a>

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That guy was the greatest thing to happen to physics since they introduced bongos to Tuuva!


SR-71~! Richard Feynman Ruled.
Nice picture; sure looks like the guy in my Sig Pic...

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[sr71blackbird]

Heh Heh, I saw your sig-pic when I was looking for his image in google :o)

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Sorry for the double post! At least they could advance my count by one! Sheeshe

This message was edited by sr71blackbird on 9-23-03 @ 7:55 PM

[Snoogans]

ive seen that guy before, but i cant place where. somewhere in person though.

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[high fly]

Feynman had nothing on professor Irwin Corey.



TextI still want to know where the water level would be.

It would be up to here.
Are you looking? Hey, look, dammit! I'm trying to show you....yeah, that's right, see where my hand is? This is where it would come to.

Here, I'll make it simple for you, here, I'm putting a mark on this wall here for future reference.







so now you know.






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