Can we talk about Rush Limbaugh???

[TheGameHHH]

I really don't think this man did anything wrong. He recently made a statement along the lines of, "Donovan McNabb is only hyped in the media because the media wants to see a black QB succeed". Now this wasn't his exact quote, but from what I'm gathering that was pretty much the gist of it. What this man stated was his OPINION and I for one believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The press jumped all over this and demanded his resignation from ESPN (the station which he made those comments on). So, what does Rush do? Today he resigns. I don't even see his comments are "racist" per se. What's all of your opinions? Am I completly crazy here for thinking he shouldn't have fallen to the pressure of the media and resigned?


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[Death Metal Moe]

I LOVE Rush, but even I just want him to talk SPORTS when he's on ESPN.

I want your political talk on WABC, and I want you to talk sports on ESPN.

And to be honest, LOTS of teams stay with so-so players for too long and we all say to ourselves "Why are they sticking with him?" We don't know, and there's lots of reason behind the scenes that may play a role. But does race have to come in if they happen to be black?

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And I also know that McNabbshouldDie was probably all giddy today hearing his name on TV.

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[Bama]

I'm glad to see him go - for whatever reason. He totally sucks and ruined Countdown. Now I can watch it without vomiting when the challenge came out.

[TheGameHHH]

yea, but you guys aren't really answering the question posed, was what he said rasict and should he have resigned because of it? I don't care what you think of him as a person, I'm just bothered by this too PC bullshit in our society, let a man have an opinion and state it freely on TV without being forced to resign because of it.


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[Death Metal Moe]

The only vomiting I did was seeing how fucking giddy the CNN anchors were to report that Rush Limbaugh had done something they could say was wrong. And he really didn't, it was just his opinion.

I just say keep that shit on your radio show, and talk sports there.

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[Reephdweller]

I listen to Rush on my lunch hour. I don't think he said anything wrong, but I can see how it can be twisted into something else. One thing I have to say though is that I think as a seasoned broadcaster as he is, and a guy who commonly has seen what the media can do to people you would think he'd use his words more wisely. Regardless of it though, I don't think the calls for him to be fired from ESPN and ABC are valid in the least. It's beyond ludicrous.

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[PanterA]

I say the media is pushing Ichiro and Motsui because they want to see an Asian player succeed.

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[Bama]

When he said it I'm surprised no one jumped on his ass. I don't think he's racist at all. I'm just glad to see him go.

This was total PC bullshit. I say three cheers for PC bullshit.

[fluffernutter]

I don't buy for a minute that he even believed or truly meant what he said. I think he was just saying it to do exactly what ESPN got him for, to create controversy and cause a stir. Congrats Mr. Limbaugh, you got your stir. These morning NFL shows have lousy ratings and this is just a way to get the ratings a boost. A shame the race card had to be played cause does it really matter what color your skin is? Last I checked football was gauged on talent.

Personally, I find Rush to be a far-right blowhard and I don't care for him. Although he may be a football fan, really has no business being on a football show. Let him push his agenda on the radio and leave my football be football without all the theatrics and show. Stats and analysis is all I want from my pre/post game shows.

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[Reephdweller]

Wednesday, October 1

Limbaugh resigns from NFL show
ESPN.com news services

In the wake of his controversial statements regarding Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, Rush Limbaugh has resigned from his position on ESPN's NFL pregame show. ESPN has accepted the resignation.

Limbaugh issued a statement late Wednesday night in which he wrote:

"My comments this past Sunday were directed at the media and were not racially motivated. I offered an opinion. This opinion has caused discomfort to the crew, which I regret.

"I love NFL Sunday Countdown and do not want to be a distraction to the great work done by all who work on it.

"Therefore, I have decided to resign. I appreciate the opportunity to be a part of the show and wish all the best to those who make it happen."

George Bodenheimer, President, ESPN and ABC Sports, issued the following response:

"We accept his resignation and regret the circumstances surrounding this. We believe that he took the appropriate action to resolve this matter expeditiously."


That ends that.

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[TheGameHHH]

I say the media is pushing Ichiro and Motsui because they want to see an Asian player succeed.
i expect your resignation from the board as an Admin. by the morning


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[CaptClown]

Rush Limbaugh did what he was hired to do bring some publicity to ESPN and he has done that. ESPN hopes that you will check in next week to see what they are going to do about Limbaugh's resignation.

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[RocOutWithYACockOUT]

RUSH LIMBAUGH is fucking dickhead. I don't care what anyone says that man is a racist. McNabb is not getting bye b/c of his skin color he's getting a bye b/c he is good quarter back who led his team the NFC ChampionShip Game the last two years. Keep in mind that McNabb doesn't have a running back , wide receivers and a tight end. Even McNabb's coach took the blame for first 2 losses and it would make sense since Andy Reid was the one who called the plays!!!!

FUCK RUSH LAMBAUGH!!!!!!



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[FUNKMAN]

yea, but you guys aren't really answering the question posed, was what he said rasict


i think what makes the difference is when the media or anyone else has the same feeling towards a caucasian player they do not use descriptions like "the italian qb" or the "polish qb" or the "white /caucasian qb". so when you say the "black qb" it shows you are thinking race as well as position....

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[Yerdaddy]

This guy has built a career out of stating glib generalizations about segments of people. This guy may be overrated, but if it's your opinion that it's because of his race then either back it up with some empirical evidence, or say he's overrated and shut your fucking yap. But since, Limbaugh's career is based on playing to the prejudice and ignorance of others, this will be one more profitable disgrace. It's not racist, it's just the same kind of race-baiting that he accuses others of as a profession.

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[TheGameHHH]

I'm finally starting to get some good responses, thanks


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I'm finally starting to get some good responses, thanks


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[Heavy]

What this man stated was his OPINION

Wrong. He stated somehting he knew would get talked about. He probally didnt want to do the show anymore so he said this knowing he would quit. The comments are just stupid. I dont think Tiki Barber is any good, but i dont think hes talked about on radio everyday because hes black. Jimmy the Greek got fucked over. That was the biggest load of bullshit ever. He spoke the truth, and wasnt even racist in his coments. Rush was just making a stupid ass comment for attention.

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Just like his stupid "Im going deaf " bullshit he pulled a few years ago.

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[DJEvelEd]

Rush is a big fat idiot.....BUT......he was hired to do a job, he did it, and shouldn't be let go for doing it. What the hell did you expect from a conservative? He's not going to be snorting coke with Mike Irvin anytime soon.

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[Heavy]

I hear on Imus some shit about his house keeper and his drug problem. Addicted to painkillers for years and buying shit illegaly.

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[Reephdweller]

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Rush Limbaugh or whoever on the radio, there is an important thing to consider from this. It comes down to free speech. Where is the line that broadcasters can or cannot cross when making any kind of commentary on any subject? Conservative or Liberal, White or Black, what is considered okay and what isn't?

Personally I've heard and I'm sure you have heard FAR FAR worse things on other radio shows and even on TV. Does this mean that those shows and the hosts should be fired or removed from the air? Would those of you who are applauding the end result of this also applaud if Ron and Fez were fired or forced to resign over an innocuous remark? If O&A were put the in the same situation how would you react?

To me when it comes down to it, like the personality or not we are dealing with a free speech issue and each and every day right before our eyes we continue down the path of losing our rights.

Imagine if you will an extreme scenario where say either Opie and Anthony, or Ron and Fez have a stripper or a hot chick in the studio and one of them makes a comment on her body or her looks in a sexual way. Then someone who works at Infinity or even a casual listener hears the show and files a sexual harassment suit against the show, the company, the corporation. As preposerous and extreme as it may sound, it's still entirely possible in the current climate of our overly politically correct world to see our favorite shows and the hosts fired or removed.

When it comes down to things like this, whether I like the personality or not I still feel the need to defend the persons right to free speech.

Granted I can completely understand how the comment Rush made could be taken out of context, but does it warrant a end result firing or forced resignation at ESPN, or even his radio show on ABC?

I think if he is ultimately removed from his radio as a result of this, you will see radio hosts from around the country put on notice that they must be extra extra extra careful with each and every word out of their mouths. I'm not defending the statement (even though I agree with it), or the man, but I am defending the right of free speech.

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[DJEvelEd]

If I rememer correctly, there were a couple of black guys there that could have called Rush to task but they really didn't. Tom Jackson didn't really disagree with him like I thought he would.

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Johnee, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS THE BALL-LICKER!

First off, Rush's comments were not racist. In order for you to consider them racist, you would have to ignore the fact that he credits the Eagles' success last season to the defense (which has only one white guy, LB Mark Simoneau).

Second, Jimmy the Greek was dead fucking wrong and spoke ignorance, not truth. Evolution takes many thousands or millions of years to take effect. The notion that blacks are good athletes because their great-grandparents worked on a plantation is garbage.

Third, Rush may have been looking to generate some buzz, but his comments weren't even that bad. He said Donovan McNabb isn't as good as everyone thought (What a fucking stretch) and the Eagles' defense was responsible for the team's success. Pretty fucking tame, if you ask me.

What is total and utter bullshit is Wesley Clark, Al Sharpton, and Howard Dean talking about this. Who the fuck are these wannabes to add their unwelcome two cents on a cable sports show? Al Sharpton has a legitimate right, because he is a spokesman for the black community, but those other 2 honkies better not forget to wipe their mouths when they get back on their feet.

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[McNabbShouldDie]

What Rush said wasnt racist at all, it was just dumb.

McNabb isnt overrated cause hes black, hes overrated cause he chokes in the Conference Championship and people think his scrambling makes him Godly. His blackness has nothing to do with anything and there are a number of successful black quarterbacks in the past and now. I really dont think race has anything to do with anything anymore, there are 9 starting black quarterbacks in the NFL and plenty in the past. I think now is the time to stop making such a big deal about black quarterbacks or white quarterbacks and just let their be quarterbacks.

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I think Rush was trying (unsuccessfully) to make a point about hyping black QBs the way Jason Sehorn was hyped as a white cornerback. Granted, they may not be "traditional" roles for their respective races but the argument he was trying to make loses credibility given the proliferation of black quarterbacks over the last 10-15 years.

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[Yerdaddy]

This isn't a free speech issue because there's no government action involved. Limbaugh was working for a private company and resigned over the negative publicity that he brought to that company. However I am glad that the principles of free speech come up in cases like this, because the O&A case involved them being fired after a government agency threatened an unusually harsh penalty on the station, pressuring it to fire the boys. That, in my opinion, is a first ammendment issue that the station or the boys should have pursued had they the inclination to fight.

Nevertheless, this is a case where Limbaugh inserted his special brand of political hyperbole into his part-time sports gig and brought the kind of publicity that ESPN doesn't want, or at least they don't want now. One has to assume they knew what they were getting when they hired an obnoxious political blowhard, so they must have expected it and we can assume it was a gimmick that they felt would work. I suspect it has. They probably expected Limbaugh to draw attention to the show when they hired him, which he did, and again when he spouted off and they fired him or forced him to quit over it, which just happened. The whole thing is more or less staged, would be my guess.

Which leaves the whole question of politics and race, and whether one thinks Rush is "just saying what's on everyone's mind" or not. Personally, I like the detatchment of sports from politics. And as it concearns race, sports dealt with the whole race thing long before almost every other segment of society, with Jackie Robinson and Joe Louis among others. To say that today's sports writers are somehow pushing a racial agenda by hyping a quarterback because he's black is absurd. But fortunately for Limbaugh he doesn't have to prove it.

But what's more insane than anything is that Limbaugh is a rookie, and pretty much a guest in the sports commentary business. So where the fuck does he get off coming in and shitting on the profession as a whole by accusing them of being blinded by race? I mean imagine you're a professional sports writer and here come's this guy into your line of work as a gimmick for publicity and a quick buck for the network, and now you have to deal with the suspicion and accusations about race favoritism for who knows how long? These guys who report on and write about sports for you sports fans are the ones who should be pissed, and from the looks of today's columns, they are.

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Well, his comments are just that.

As to free speech issue; when do you cross the line? Well, in TV or Radio, you cross the line when you Piss Off the Wrong Person or people. O + A may have crossed the line many times, but it didn;t matter until they pissed off something with enough clout to get them booted.

Same with ESPN. Racist? Disparaging another race? The main problem with his statement, for me, is: It's simply not true.

It sure as hell would have had a chance 20 years ago, if indeed the press was Hyping the 'Jackie Robinson of Football'. I don't know dick about football, so someone here can speak on the evolution of the Stats regarding black QBs, but there was indeed a time when there were few, or none.

Today? As Ron pointed out; there are black QBs aplenty today. It's a non-issue. And for me, sports is about as equal as it gets. Yes there are racists who, in the past, kept minority players down.

But today, teams want to Win it All. Second Place = First Loser in 2003. You want to get the best you can on the court.

Or perhaps I'm early on this; because I am visualizing hockey right now...hmmm.

As for his going deaf being bullshit; I can not imagine the Syndrome that caused his sudden deafness, but it is real, I have met patients who get this. It is sometimes bacterial. And sometimes the person loses their hearing, forever, and utterly, 100%, in a matter of weeks, even days.

The change in his voice was utterly apparent. It was over time, so some may not have noticed, but it was very very clear his voice was doing exactly what the human voice does when people who could once hear go deaf suddenly.

There are specific changes in certain phonemes [a group of letters or letter that makes a specific sound, like T+H, making the 'th' sound. Your speaking voice is also heard from you instantly; and that feedback system affects your speech; it actually helps form it.

You lose the hearing, you lose the feedback system, and you can't hear yourself, and your voice changes. Slowly, and by slight changes. But over time, it was SO apparent. WAY before he went public.

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[Se7en]

Yerdaddy has a point.

Rush was hired because they KNEW he was going to say shit like this. They were banking on him, with his reputation, to come in and at the least say something that was at least a tiny bit controversial.

But I suppose it's blown up in their faces. Can't say I feel sorry for them.

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[JerryTaker]

You guys all seem to be missing one thing that Rush inferred. They showed this on Sportscenter this morning. He also referred to the NFL's practice last year of essentially putting teams on the rack if they didn't hire a black coach. When rush said "the importance the NFL puts on black QB's and coaches" I could tell this was formost in his mind.

Unfortunately, we have a gigantic company here, the same one that fired Bill Mahr, BTW, and when someone goes on thier station and says "black," all the executives simultaneoulsly have heart attacks and do everything in thier "multi billion dollar media conglomerate" power... which is a lot.

But this is the bed we've made as a society. This will always happen until the people wake up and take our lives back from the corporations. But we're just all too lazy.

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[Justice4all]

Ok...for my two cents. After seeing what he had said last night on Sportscenter (They replayed it) I do not think he is a racist. I think he might be correct, there has been very few black quaterbacks who have succeeded in the NFL (in getting championships) and THE MEDIA would love that. Everyone would not give a shit however because we just want to see a good athlete. I could see how upset Tom Jackson was when Rush said that on the air. I mean the man was PISSED! you could see it in his eye.
Having said that, I have to admit that the question of race should have NEVER entered the discussion. As correct as Rush may have been, I think he should have held his tounge on this one. But I still do not think he should get the label that he has. If you remember Jimmy the Greek said something VERY distasteful (I think is was about 20+ years ago) about how blacks are better athletes because their slave masters needed them to be in good shape or something like that. Now THAT was racist! Rush in no way even came close to that.

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Doug Williams was QB for the Redskins and won the super Bowl. He's black too.


Now if you want to talk about black place kickers or punters, how many has the NFL had? the only one I can recollect is Reggie Robbie of the Dolphins.

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[HBox]

I am in the awkward position of defending Limbaugh. They are not showing you everything he said on Sunday's show. After what most of you have seen on the news, they got onto the issue of McNabb's contract. Limbaugh said something to the effect of "Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he isn't worth the investment." That seems like a compliment, saying that McNabb is worth the largest contract in NFL history.

However, I hate this free speech argument. Limbaugh can say what he wants, and he can go on saying what he wants, but there's no right for him to say it on TV.

It's sad. This is why ESPN hired him, not to add anything to the show, just to say stupid shit to create controversy. I really don't care that he's gone; I didn't like him on the show, but I don't think he detracted much. I actually liked it when someone as illiterate as Michael Irvin made Limbaugh look like a drooling retard.

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[high fly]

Limbaugh's premise is that the black quarterbacks in the NFL have those positions because of pressure from the "liberal sports media".

The man is a dolt, pure and simple.

And are we to infer that conservatives don't think that there should be equal opportunity in hiring, whether it be the NFL or some other business?

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[Spank Daddy]

I believe the comment Rush made was better suited for his radio show, and not a football show............and he wasn't quite sure where he was at the time caused he was stoned off his ass on pain killers.

[high fly]

How about the part where Rush said that what he said must be right because of the cacophony of protest?

If he'd said he hated Jews and there was a big outcry, that outcry would vindicate Limbaugh, apparently.

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[A.J.]

Limbaugh's premise is that the black quarterbacks in the NFL have those positions because of pressure from the "liberal sports media".


No it's not. His argument was that the success of black quarterbacks tends to generate more hype than is deserved because they are succeding in a position long dominated by whites. That was the point I tried to make in an earlier post using the Sehorn example. Was he THAT great of a cornerback or was it simply because he was a white guy playing the position?

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[high fly]

OK then AJ, of all 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL, if you were to pick one for a team you were starting, which would you prefer to have rather than McNabb?

Rush is dead wrong. McNabb is one of the best at what he does and he doesn't get the credit because of his race, but because of his talent.

You're backing a loser, AJ.
You know you are.

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[A.J.]

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No I'm not backing Limbaugh. That's the just way I took his statement. I think he was stupid to even go down this path. He should have known what the consequences of saying such things would be. For a guy who prides himself on being a "flawless" broadcaster he didn't articulate his thoughts very well on such a touchy subject.

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[Shecky]

Talk all you want.
He took his poltical agenda to ESPN and rolled with it.
And now they pushed him out.
FUCK HIM!!!


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[high fly]

I knew you were too smart for that, AJ.
Limbaugh was simply pandering to a certain redneck audience that jsut doesn't know any better and are happy to believe the self- hype from a guy who acts smart and tells them he has all the facts.
This is nothing new from Limbaugh, he's done it for years.


He did learn, however, that one doesn't tell black folks to take the bone from their nose, so give him credit for that (though the Rushster prob'ly thinks the criticism from THAT boner of his was just political correctness that once again validated what he said).

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[high fly]

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Sure, and an argument might be made for McNair. My point was that McNabb is one of the elite qb's in the game and the Rushster was dead wrong in his analysis of McNabb's talent.









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[A.J.]

Sure, and an argument might be made for McNair. My point was that McNabb is one of the elite qb's in the game and the Rushster was dead wrong in his analysis of McNabb's talent.


Although one might aruge that McNabb has failed twice to lead his team to an NFC Championship/Super Bowl.

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[Shecky]

''I don't think he's been that good from the get-go, the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team.''


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[high fly]

Although one might argue that McNabb has failed twice to lead his team to an NFC Championship/Super Bowl.

Not an accurate measure of talent.



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[Se7en]

What is total and utter bullshit is Wesley Clark, Al Sharpton, and Howard Dean talking about this. Who the fuck are these wannabes to add their unwelcome two cents on a cable sports show? Al Sharpton has a legitimate right, because he is a spokesman for the black community, but those other 2 honkies better not forget to wipe their mouths when they get back on their feet.

I agree. I would expect such a thing from Dean, but not Clark. Seeing as this little controversy was nothing politically related, they should have risen above making a comment.

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To me when it comes down to it, like the personality or not we are dealing with a free speech issue and each and every day right before our eyes we continue down the path of losing our rights.

We are? The "freedom of speech" in the Bill of Rights is there to defend us from having our rights of free speech and expression hindered by the GOVERNMENT. Private organizations and businesses are a different matter. Let's not get over-reactionary here.

And let me add to the chorus...Rush wasn't being a racist, he was just being stupid. He knew it would get a rise out of people, and that's just Rush being Rush. That's why people listen to him. Now it's back to his hole, and life goes on...

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[high fly]

What is total and utter bullshit...


Aside from the redundancy in the quote, NYDRAG, and now SE7EN are right.

We need a law making it illegal for political candidates to comment on the issues of the day.




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This message was edited by high fly on 10-2-03 @ 2:37 PM

[Death Metal Moe]

Bottom line: I'm still going to listen to Rush on the radio and value his opinions on politics and social issues.

He has the right to say what he feels about McNabb. People are too fucking touchy. Fuck McNabb right in the ass. I could care less.

I'm much more interested in this story that he bought pain killers from somebody. Funny how this came out of nowhere right as he was seen as vulnerable due to this McNabb Non-Story.

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[high fly]

I like them Rush boss jock dj tapes that are out there...'...thish ish Shteve Cristie with ya everbuddy on a tyoo fer tyooshday, gonna get the Led out all through Rocktober..." or some such bullshit.

" and they ask me why I drink"

[Mike Teacher]

Well, as to his racism;

anyone know anything about Bo Snurdley, his producer [or screener, not sure of title; real name, James Golden]; and his main on-air substitute?

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[Death Metal Moe]

Thanks for breaking the thread high fly. Check your post man. You have to have some broken tags or some shit.

Anyway, as I just stated in another thread, I am actually a little worried about this now. I head Rush get defensive in a sound clip. He said No Comment, and then when pressed he said something to the effect of "What part of No Comment didn't you understand?"

Now I know maybe this is not the place he wants to talk about the problem and maybe he wants to think about what was said and learn about it all he can before he issues statements, but WHAT is the harm in just saying "I didn't do it, but I will address this at a later time after I have learned all the facts?" Becuase there is a GOOD chance that this is false, and he needs to play catch up on a story he wasn't aware of.

But just the fact that he didn't say I didn't do anything kinda makes me feel like he knows something is up.

And also, "It don't make you a bad person!!!"

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Rush Limbaugh (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0440508649/qid=1065122818/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-3816637-9275155?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

[high fly]

How did I break the thread, MOE?
You mentioned how you were still going to listen to Limbaugh on the radio and I simply chimed in (to give a little perspective) on a previous incarnation he's had as a phony-baloney boss jock.

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[El Mudo]

He also referred to the NFL's practice last year of essentially putting teams on the rack if they didn't hire a black coach



He felt this would lead to "tokenism", ala what happened this offseason with the Lions, who made their intentions pretty clear they were gonna hire Steve Mariucci, and no black candidates would come in and interview with them.



OK then AJ, of all 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL, if you were to pick one for a team you were starting, which would you prefer to have rather than McNabb?


Vick, Gannon, Favre, Manning, Bledsoe(even tho he's about as mobile as I am), Kurt Warner


Although one might aruge that McNabb has failed twice to lead his team to an NFC Championship/Super Bowl.



And when McNabb was hurt late last year, Koy Detmer and AJ Feeley came in and the Eagles didn't miss a beat.

Bottom line, his comments weren't an attack on black people, they were an attack on the media, who are basically looking for any excuse(and have looked for the last 15 years) to get Rush thrown off the air...Maybe McNabb is exagerrated because of his race, maybe not ITS THE MAN'S OPINION, ITS WHAT HE WAS HIRED FOR...

And the origins on that prescription drug story come from the National Enquirer, so i'd take that with a grain of salt.


I like them Rush boss jock dj tapes that are out there...'...thish ish Shteve Cristie with ya everbuddy on a tyoo fer tyooshday, gonna get the Led out all through Rocktober..." or some such bullshit


Isn't that an old Don and Mike bit? Are you that desperate for material?

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[Death Metal Moe]

I'd never say you can't give your opinions high fly. I was just saying your post made the board display strangly. Check that post. Edit out and tags or code that aren't closed. You opinion is your own man. I was just talking about the site.


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[HBox]

Vick, Gannon, Favre, Manning, Bledsoe(even tho he's about as mobile as I am), Kurt Warner

1. Maybe next year.
2. How good was he before he got to throw to Brown and Rice, and before Gruden came along? For example, see Brad Johnson.
3. Well, of course.
4. Let's see him win a playoff game, or a game of some kind of importance first.
5. Please. PUH-LEESE!
6. WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? I could put up those kind of numbers with Bruce, Holt, Hakim, and Faulk. And I assume you mean Warner before he was concussed into retardation.

And when McNabb was hurt late last year, Koy Detmer and AJ Feeley came in and the Eagles didn't miss a beat.

If you watched those games, you saw that, with the exception of the SF game, the offense missed a beat, big time. The play-calling was pulled back. No throws beyond 15 yards, running the ball much more often, and they practically gave up on any 3rd and longer than 8.

The only point Limbaugh had to make was that the Eagles defense is under-appreciated. But remember, the Eagles went from 5-11 in 1999 to 11-5 in 2000, and the only significant change was starting McNabb. The defensive personnel was practically the same.

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[GwEnYpOo]

gameHHH is right he didnt do anything wrong AT ALL .
but i am glad he's gone he was way to serious , he just couldnt get out of his big serious consevative persona .



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[GwEnYpOo]

gameHHH is right he didnt do anything wrong AT ALL .
but i am glad he's gone he was way to serious , he just couldnt get out of his big serious consevative persona .



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[NewYorkDragons80]

We need a law making it illegal for political candidates to comment on the issues of the day.
No, you're right. We need a law making it illegal for people on a message board to call a political candidate an opportunistic whore when they pander to a people whom they had no interest in prior to becoming candidates for President.

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[TheMojoPin]

Alright, here's the thing I don't get...

Yes, you CAN say anything you want in a public setting (Though if you're at the mercy of a corporation, what they say goes).

But SHOULD you?

The way people talk here, you should be able to say whatever you want. Why the hell should you? Let's cross it over with NYD's Ludacris thread...yes, Ludacris CAN make a song called "Chicken 'n' Beer"...but should he?

It's a lack of common sense, plain and simple.

What Rush said isn't even close to being racist. It was just dumb and unecessary.

This Limbaugh thing doesn't have to be a larger issue than it is, but it still doesn't change the notion that he should have had just a little more common sense. Did what he say NEEDED to be said? Of course not. He did it to get attention, negative or otherwise. So now people are applauding his lack of common sense. Heck, I'm defending Ludacris for sounding like a moron. But I shouldn't have to. It would be nice if these people just had a little more common sense before they opened their mouths. It's not PC. It's not "thought police". Just stop talking like a retard just because you're famous.

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[McNabbShouldDie]

What I dont get about everyone talking about this situation, is that everyone is making it into some big political, racist thing. It's not.

It was a football comment Rush made, and a very dumb one at that. Like I said before, McNabb isnt overrated because hes black. He's overrated because, in my opinion, he chokes in the biggest of games and everyone believes that because he can scramble well that he's gonna lead his team to a perfect season.

Can we please stop making this some big political issue?

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[TheMojoPin]

Can we please stop making this some big political issue?

What does that even mean? Even if the issue was whether it was a racist statement or not wouldn't make it "political".

Fez actually just made a good point on the show...today it's really no big thing to have a black first-string quarterback. There was NO LOGICAL REASON for Rush to have said what he said. Nobody is saying he CAN'T say it. People are saying he SHOULDN'T have said it. Nobody demanded he quit or that he should be fired. He decided that himself. Nobody was denied anything or forced anything. He said something he probably SHOULDN'T have, and opted HIMSELF to quit.

I fully understand the point he was trying to make about McNabb getting more attention than the rest of the team, when clearly he wasn't carrying them himself. But to clearly say that this is because McNabb is black is nothing short of laughable these days. Why the hell would a black quarterback still be a novelty as he seems to be implying? It was a stupid, pointless thing say, and he shot himself in the foot by choosing to say it.

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[McNabbShouldDie]

Fez actually just made a good point on the show...today it's really no big thing to have a black first-string quarterback. There was NO LOGICAL REASON for Rush to have said what he said. Nobody is saying he CAN'T say it. People are saying he SHOULDN'T have said it. Nobody demanded he quit or that he should be fired. He decided that himself. Nobody was denied anything or forced anything. He said something he probably SHOULDN'T have, and opted HIMSELF to quit.

I fully understand the point he was trying to make about McNabb getting more attention than the rest of the team, when clearly he wasn't carrying them himself. But to clearly say that this is because McNabb is black is nothing short of laughable these days. Why the hell would a black quarterback still be a novelty as he seems to be implying? It was a stupid, pointless thing say, and he shot himself in the foot by choosing to say it.

Exactly what I've been trying to say. Man Mojo, I wish I had a way with words as you do. My explanations always come out like shit.

Anyway, if no one else sees that this is becoming a "political" thing, Ill shut up. But the whole Rush comment has definetly turned to something beyond football talk.

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Anyway, if no one else sees that this is becoming a "political" thing, Ill shut up. But the whole Rush comment has definetly turned to something beyond football talk.

Hey, don't shut up! You're right about the latter point...

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I listen to Rush's show when I can and I agree with about 65% of what he says (Not 64%, not 66%), and I can agree to what Mojo is saying. This was probably made to draw attention to the show. What makes Rush an idiot is that he was generating great ratings already and was considered an asset. This was completely unneccessary. I'm not 100% convinced that this was a publicity move, but if it was, it was a poor one.

Nobody demanded he quit or that he should be fired.

Actually Wesley Clark, Howard Dean, and Al Sharpton did demand his termination. What they have to do with Disney, ESPN, or the NFL is fucking beyond me, but don't say we didn't warn you about big government... ;)
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[HBox]

I'm sure there are quite a few out there really enjoying Limbaugh's recent troubles and can't help taking shots. And what the hell is wrong with that? He and his fans have no right to complain. Limbaugh makes a career out of it!

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[TheMojoPin]

NYD makes a good point. I posted before hearing of the comments made by those men, and really, when you're running for president, how much more fucking pandering and useless can you get by trying to make THIS an issue in your quest to get elected? I'm appalled by it and I LIKE Clark. Way to go, deeks.

See what I mean about CHOOSING what you say carefully? These three clearly didn't hear.

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[mason]

i do not necessarily think what limbaugh said was racist. it is a valid topic that should be discussed. the media does focus on certain athletes and celebrites because of their race, gender, and the way they look.

i belive the real problem is who made the statement. many groups have labeled limbaugh a racist, so anything he says is racist. he has said some very questionable and offensive things in the past. if someone else on countdown made that statement, i do not think there would have been such a backlash.

that's my two cents

[TheMojoPin]

it is a valid topic that should be discussed.

Since WHEN?!?

McNabb is getting attention because he's flashy, good in front of a camera, and highly overrated. How the hell does him being black even come into play?

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[TheGameHHH]

McNabb is getting attention because he's flashy, good in front of a camera, and highly overrated.
you hit the nail on the head with that one


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[Se7en]

NYD makes a good point. I posted before hearing of the comments made by those men, and really, when you're running for president, how much more fucking pandering and useless can you get by trying to make THIS an issue in your quest to get elected? I'm appalled by it and I LIKE Clark. Way to go, deeks.

See what I mean about CHOOSING what you say carefully? These three clearly didn't hear.


I agree. Shouldn't they be busy running their campaigns instead of taking time out of their schedules to make inane comments on an issue which should not involved them in the least?

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[HBox]

Was anyone else just watching Countdown? They just completely buried Limbaugh.

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[DJEvelEd]

Was anyone else just watching Countdown? They just completely buried Limbaugh.


Tom Jackson admitted he 'missed it" last week when he should have challenged Rush. Then Chris Berman said "I'm the host and I missed it too". I guess they were just thinking inside the sports box and got blindsided by Rush's edgyness. Too bad it's a week too late. It could've been a GREAT arguement.


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[Shecky]

This all goes back to the old argument that Blacks could say whatever they want to say about whites, but when a white guy does it about the blacks, he's wrong.

I have never heard a black sports analyst or commentator say anything about a white player being white.

As for Rush, like I said in a previous post in this thread, He took his political views about the LIBERAL MEDIA (even though he didnt use those words) brought them to the table and got fucked for it.

As Little Uncle Jimmy Norton would say:

He stinks and I don't like him!!!!!

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[Reephdweller]

Regardless of everything now in the aftermath of this whole controversey. Do you think Fox Sportsnet would try and grab Rush as a commentator now? I was wondering this today as I was listening to Rush's show on my lunch hour. I'm curious if Fox would try to capitalize on all the attention on him by bringing him on for sports analysis.

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[El Mudo]

1. Maybe next year.
2. How good was he before he got to throw to Brown and Rice, and before Gruden came along? For example, see Brad Johnson.
3. Well, of course.
4. Let's see him win a playoff game, or a game of some kind of importance first.
5. Please. PUH-LEESE!
6. WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? I could put up those kind of numbers with Bruce, Holt, Hakim, and Faulk. And I assume you mean Warner before he was concussed into retardation.


1. Vick is already more mobile and has a better arm than McNabb ever had
2. Gannon did great in KC, but because they're Kansas City and stupid, they decided to go with the immortal Elvis Grbac instead
3. Favre is the man
4. Manning has never had the defence in Indy to support him that McNabb has had in Philly
5. Bledsoe got the Pats into the Super Bowl, thats more than McNabb has every done
6. yes I do, and no one throws the deep ball better and with more accuracy than Warner does, but i do think he needs a change of scenery. If he stinks it up there too, then he really is done. But in all fairness, Warner was hurt all last year...

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[epo]

That Rush Limbaugh is all class:

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That was his spectulation today as to why the First Lady wasn't at Senator Robert Byrd's funeral.