Gay marriage...yea or nay?

[Tall_James]

Me? I think that gays should be allowed to marry. That being said, if they are indeed getting married - none of this exchanging vows under a gazebo and its official. I want forms signed, blood tests taken, and all of the bullshit that straight people have to go through. Plus, the same repercussions that occur during divorce - community property and custody issues.

Personally, I think a lot of straight people should NEVER get married and I know a lot of gay people that I can say the same about. But if you're willing to go through all the crap that goes along with it...more power to you.

What do you think?




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[sr71blackbird]

I think allowing same sex unions recognized by law opens a pandoras box of lawsuits (insurance companys, health care, etc.). I think it will hurt our culture, but thats just my opinion. I have gay cousins, and they always bring their partners to family functions, but its hard to think of it as "normal" in my mind. Of course, I know that they often do pair up as life partners and "adopt" each other for estate purposes and maybe marriage would ease that for them, but I also know that an overwhelming amount of them are transient in their relationships and I dont think the lack of a legally recognized marriage would change that. I say live and let live.

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[Tall_James]

I know that they often do pair up as life partners and "adopt" each other for estate purposes and maybe marriage would ease that for them, but I also know that an overwhelming amount of them are transient in their relationships and I dont think the lack of a legally recognized marriage would change that. I say live and let live.


I agree on the transient nature, that is true to a large extent with the straight population as well. You only need to point to so many marriages broken as a result of adultery.

There would have to be repercussions if the marriages were to break off, just like in traditional marriages.

Question is? Would the stigma of being married many times be as critical with the gay population as it is with the straight population?


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[zoom2457]

I say this whole issue is just plain stupid. Why would anybody care if gay people want to marry each other? Does it effect these other people personally??? :mad:

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[Se7en]

Let them marry.

The biggest argument against it seems to the assumption that it will "destroy" traditional marriages. I find this reasoning weak and powerless as traditional marriage already IS destroyed.

Gays may be able to bring some stability and dignity back to the institution.

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[FMJeff]

I think allowing same sex unions recognized by law opens a pandoras box of lawsuits (insurance companys, health care, etc.).

Blanket statement. Explain?


I think it will hurt our culture, but thats just my opinion.

Blanket statement. Explain? Culture? Which culture is that, considering we have a multi-cultural society? Judeo-Christian Culture? Spanish culture? How could the union of two people in love hurt anything? Will we all be more gay? Turn into crab people?


I have gay cousins, and they always bring their partners to family functions, but its hard to think of it as "normal" in my mind.


So the hangup is yours...


Of course, I know that they often do pair up as life partners and "adopt" each other for estate purposes and maybe marriage would ease that for them, but I also know that an overwhelming amount of them are transient in their relationships and I dont think the lack of a legally recognized marriage would change that.

An overwhelming amount are transient? Quote your source please. And how do you "know"?

Wait, i'll just quote mine...from the Washington Post commenting on an academic study by the International Sexuality Description Project:

"More than a quarter of heterosexual men wanted more than one partner in the next month, as did 29.1 percent of gay men and 30.1 percent of bisexual men, the study said. Just 4.4 percent of heterosexual women, 5.5 percent of lesbians and 15.6 percent of bisexual women sought more than one partner."

Seems to me sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with infidelity whatsoever.
Assuming the study is accurate, there is a 0.4% deviance amongst straight and gay males, and a 1.1% deviance amongst lesbian and heterosexual women. I would hypothesize this deviance shrinks as the sample group increases in size and one compensates for the unpredictability of human behavior. (Who knows if the people they sampled just weren't horny that day?)

Your remarks are completely baseless and ignorant. Come back when you have facts and specifics.

I say live and let live.

Do you? Everything you've said prior has been profoundly contradictory to this statement.

Personally I have no problem with gay or lesbian marraiges whatsoever. They're just people looking to get hitched. Who the fuck has the right to tell them no? Hurt our culture...what a fucking idiot.


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[nellie]

I think if two people love each other and want to get married it shouldn't matter what gender they are. People (politicians, church officials) are too stuck in their ways to see that it is really none of their business who a person loves and wants to spend the rest of his/her life with.

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I don't see anything wrong with gay people getting married. If two people love each let them get married it doesn't effect me, it will only bother really religious people who are usually against homosexuality.

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Yes.

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[Yerdaddy]

Yes.

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[TooCute]

Oh, so we couldn't have discussed this in MY <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/33054/page/Bored_.htm">thread</a> that was about gay vs. heterosexual marriage? Poo on all of you!

Oh, and Jeff, not taking anything away from what you said, but you need to learn more abot statistics - your hypothesis was correct - given the likely variance of answers in the various groups polled, there was probably no statistical difference between gay/straight/bi men and gay/straight women.

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[TheMojoPin]

What's to ruin? Don't over half of the marriages in this country end in divorce? As long as both people are of a legal age and not related, hey, go for it.

Which is something that always struck me as weird about a lot of the arguments that oppose gay marriages. They say it'll lead to marriages involving incest or underage marriage, etc., etc.....why? It just shows how low an opinion these people have of homosexuals. Why are two men who are in love with each other automatically equated with sexually abusive parents and kid-touchers? That's not cool.

Me? I think that gays should be allowed to marry. That being said, if they are indeed getting married - none of this exchanging vows under a gazebo and its official. I want forms signed, blood tests taken, and all of the bullshit that straight people have to go through. Plus, the same repercussions that occur during divorce - community property and custody issues.

I say go the nines and get rid of froo-froo weddings PERIOD. Weddings have already devolved into soulless business arangements, so just go the nines and drop the illusion.

Ultimately, how can I deny gay people from wanting the institutions that I want no part of? Join the millitary? Hey, better you than me! Marriage? Good luck with allllll THAT. Being a parent? UGH. No thanks.

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[Tall_James]

Oh, so we couldn't have discussed this in MY thread that was about gay vs. heterosexual marriage? Poo on all of you!

My thread title was better than yours...

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[TooCute]

My thread title was better than yours...

I know. What does that say about the readers of this messageboard?

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[furie]

nay


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[zoom2457]

Ultimately, how can I deny gay people from wanting the institutions that I want no part of? Join the millitary? Hey, better you than me! Marriage? Good luck with allllll THAT. Being a parent? UGH. No thanks.


Very well said.



nay


Is there a reason for the nay?


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[furie]

Is there a reason for the nay?


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[Se7en]

They say it'll lead to marriages involving incest or underage marriage, etc., etc.....why?

A lot of this type of criticism is focused around the Lawrence v. Texas decision from this summer.

People jumped on Frist for saying that the decision opens the door to let such things as bestiality, incest, etc. become legal. He was harshly criticized, but his remarks were from a legal sense not far off the mark. If the courts read into the Constitution a right to privacy in the bedroom for gays, it IS possible that eventually, under equal justice, relationships such as incest between two consenting adults or bigamy may become legal.

My thread title was better than yours...

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[JustJon]

I know. What does that say about the readers of this messageboard?

That people prefer informative titles to inane ones.



there was probably no statistical difference between gay/straight/bi men and gay/straight women.

And no love here for the bi-sexual women.

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[FMJeff]

People jumped on Frist for saying that the decision opens the door to let such things as bestiality, incest, etc. become legal. He was harshly criticized, but his remarks were from a legal sense not far off the mark. If the courts read into the Constitution a right to privacy in the bedroom for gays, it IS possible that eventually, under equal justice, relationships such as incest between two consenting adults or bigamy may become legal.


I don't have a problem with bigamy. It's legal in many countries. As long as they are consenting, non-related adults, I don't give a shit about the structure of their families. I do not support incest due to the genetic repercussions and the fact that I have no physical or emotional attraction toward my sister...I think its a common human instinct to reject a close family member as a potential mate. I do, however, have a number of 2nd and 3rd cousins I wouldn't mind banging. I don't think that's incest.

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[TheMojoPin]

If the courts read into the Constitution a right to privacy in the bedroom for gays, it IS possible that eventually, under equal justice, relationships such as incest between two consenting adults or bigamy may become legal.

Why?

First of all, like Jeff said, I don't give a flying fart about bigamy. It's not for me, but if a bunch of people wanna marry a bunch of other people, so what?

And, also like Jeff said, incest is a far, FAR less natural "instinct" than homosexuality. I doubt you'll have anywhere near as many people clamoring for incest rights as you do with homosexuals who simply want to be legally married. The other issue is genetic repercussions. Incest leads to far too many defective births for it to ever be accepted. Homosexuality and incest just aren't even in the same ballpark, or even the same game when it comes to relevant social issues, and to try and link the two is an unecessary diversionary spin.

And there's a difference between a right to privacy and a criminal act issue. Incest, statutory rape, illegal, for very clear reasons. Homosexuality...WHY should it be illegal?

Privacy is a different issue. Unless there is just cause, what people do in their bedrooms is their issue, for better or for worse. It's not perfect, but I DO see a distinct difference between allowing homosexuals to marry and have legal sex and then all the other acts and practices that the "floodgate" would supposedly unleash.

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only half of them... they should learn from the hetero community, what is it? 50% of marriages wind up in divorce...

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[NewYorkDragons80]

but its hard to think of it as "normal" in my mind

I don't think it is either, but that doesn't change my view that the government does not reserve the right to pick and choose what type of people should be allowed to marry.

I really don't think this would have any significant impact on our society. Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time and after a nuclear holocaust, there will be gay cockroaches and bacteria. All this says is that gay unions would be entitled to visiting rights at hospitals, privileged communication, inheritances, etc.

As far as polygamy, I would support it if it didn't raise so many legal questions.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I do, however, have a number of 2nd and 3rd cousins I wouldn't mind banging. I don't think that's incest.
Legally, I think second cousins is NOT incest. Giuliani was married to his second cousin and if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me.

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[TheMojoPin]

As far as polygamy, I would support it if it didn't raise so many legal questions.

I think this statement points to to the ultimate problem with modern western marriage, gay or straight...it's become a business transaction. Too much emphasis has been placed on the money and the legality of the act as opposed to the act itself. Most of these issues aren't even people arguing over the act itself...they're arguing over possible legal and/or financial repercussions.

Ech.

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[monsterone]

i thought they were going to teach us what love is?

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[Reephdweller]

...what a fucking idiot.



So much for a free and open discussion on this board. Perhaps when I hear others say to me that they avoid the Politics forum it is because of name calling and downright childish responses to other peoples opinons. I don't agree with a lot of things said on either side of the aisles on various topics but yet I still try to give others the respect they deserve.

The fact is some people feel it's okay for gay people to marry, and others feel it's not. People have their views one way or the other and they're entitled to them. No one needs facts, or to explain other than to say what they think.

My personal feeling is I don't care what other people do. If gays want to marry and get the same benefits in the workplace I say let them, that's my opinion. Someone else can say the opposite and it's fine by me, I accept it. Why is someone an idiot because they voice their own thoughts on the subject and it may contrast the rest of the views on the topic? Do you just want to have all your view and none other?

I'm not saying this to sound like I'm on a high horse or anything here, just that I sometimes wish when I go into a thread that discusses whatever political topic that people would be able to talk about it without someone with a contrasting viewpoint being made to feel ashamed of their thoughts. I know it will probably never happen.
People from various political, religious, ethnic, racial backgrounds, and cultures make up this board and each may have a view of the same topic that radically differs from one to the next, does that mean we trash every other view but the one we believe in, or do we accept that others have their views for what they are?

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I'm not saying this to sound like I'm on a high horse or anything here, just that I sometimes wish when I go into a thread that discusses whatever political topic that people would be able to talk about it without someone with a contrasting viewpoint being made to feel ashamed of their thoughts. I know it will probably never happen.


Pardon me but I disagree when the dissenting opinion perpetuates ignorance and prejudice toward any community. An inability to deal with the reality of same sex marraiges is not simply the product of "various political, religious, ethnic, racial backgrounds". It is bias in its purest form. SR71 feels these people, yes they are people just like you and me, should be denied their basic human rights on the basis that their coupling would unravel the very fabric of our community. Gay people have so much power that thier marraiges are akin to the apocalypse!?!?? Give me a break reefdwella. Racists said the same thing when it came to segregation in public schools. If you feel this opinion has a right to be heard and not ridiculed for what it is, then you're out of your mind. Go march with the KKK and the neo-nazis the next time they convince the city that hate and ignorance are valid forms of free speech.

Until then, I will continue to stomp on those who will stomp on others because they are different.

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Until then, I will continue to stomp on those who will stomp on others because they are different.

Bravo sir! I applaud you..

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[Reephdweller]

Jeff, I have no issue with you or anyone being critical or anyone's views on whatever subject. My point is that tearing people apart for their views and name calling are just childish when we should be able to have a rational discussion. Granted you and I may see eye to eye on this topic...I believe we do. My point is that I can make the same argument against SR71 comments without trashing him as a person. I recognize we all have our own styles. I was simply pointing out that we should be more respectful towards other if we want to have an adult discussion about things. You're more than welcome to set the tone of the board however you want, but don't try to paint me or others into the most extreme picture of KKK and other nonesense simply because someone has an opposing viewpoint. It's pathetic and childish.

You and I can argue point after point on various topics day and night and I wouldn't need to resort to trashing or stomping on you. I'd simply respond with my own view and respect you for yours. That's all I'm saying.

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Until then, I will continue to stomp on those who will stomp on others because they are different.


What about the crazed gang of killer faggs that stomped a mudhole in my ass and left me dripping and crying in the wake of my lost manhood.









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As far as polygamy, I would support it if it didn't raise so many legal questions.
I think this statement points to to the ultimate problem with modern western marriage, gay or straight...it's become a business transaction. Too much emphasis has been placed on the money and the legality of the act as opposed to the act itself. Most of these issues aren't even people arguing over the act itself...they're arguing over possible legal and/or financial repercussions.
Who said anything about money? Let's say a man has several wives. If one wife were to tell the husband something that the American legal system deems "privileged communication", is it still privileged if she tells one of his other wives? What is the relationship between those 2 women? Are they married to each other or just to the man? Since people are allowed to have more than one spouse, could that lead to "entangling marriages"? Like I said, legal questions. Don't judge me.

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[TheMojoPin]

Who said anything about money?

Me, you freak.

I thought you realized that since you quoted me doing so.

Weirdo.

If one wife were to tell the husband something that the American legal system deems "privileged communication", is it still privileged if she tells one of his other wives? What is the relationship between those 2 women? Are they married to each other or just to the man?

No, depends, and depends, like the second, as to who the marriage was actually performed between. If one woman married the man, and then another woman marired the man, they're both married to the same man but NOT each other unless legally the two women married each other or the man and one of the women jointly married the other woman, etc., etc.. If the two women aren't legally joined to each other directly, they're essentially just roommates who are married to the same guy, but not each other.

I don't know, it makes sense to me. The legal framework seems to already exist with little modification, so it doesn't seem that big a deal to me. I'm probably just bonkers.

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am I the only one in this thread who is thinking logically? If you let gays marry, I'll have 5 guys proposing to me every minute!!

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[schmega]

frist is a tool for even thinking gay marraiges can lead to incestual ones too. gay marraiges wont destroy the human gene pool like west virginian marraiges will. it'll certainly make it less crowded, though.

[furie]

frist is a tool for even thinking gay marraiges can lead to incestual ones too.


that's an oversimplification that distorts what his point was.


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[TooCute]

What's wrong with incestual marriages?

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[McNabbShouldDie]

Although I dont like gay marriages and wouldnt have one myself, it's something that happens. As long as two guys arent fucking loud enough for me to hear it, I dont really care.

But I do pray for the poor adopted kids of gay marragies because of the abuse theyll suffer in school.

But hey, not my problem.

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[Reephdweller]

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What's wrong with you, why aren't you a metrosexual?

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[DJEvelEd]

Even LATER that evening:

"Honeypuss, Are you still on the toilet bowl"

"OOOGAHHH" (condom covered pinecone hits water)

"Pookiepoo, those new pills are making me lactate"

"OOOGAHHH" (vaseline covered turd splashes down)

"Oh Sweetie, I can smell what I want for dinner"

"OOOGAHHH" (dead gerbil plops out)



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May your Kum Krusted Kocks be Konsistantly Kovered in Kunt.

[corpustle]

Gays should not be allowed to marry, they should be ostracised - what they are doing is wrong and unnatural, they are all messed up, and no one should promote their sick behavior, all gays should be locked up or at the very least banned. Except lesbians.

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[Yerdaddy]

all gays should be locked up or at the very least banned.

bunny was and it didn't seem to have helped

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TEAR THE BITCH APART!

[Heavy]

I know. What does that say about the readers of this messageboard?

That they dont like you? I'm just guessing here!!

I say no to gay marriages. Unless it involves at least one good looking women.

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HORDE KING FOREVER!!!
ORACLE NEVER!!!

[FUNKMAN]

it just gets a little crazy when the guy doing the marrying asks 'who has the ring' and both parties answer...

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[TheMojoPin]

I won't rest until every soldier and married person in America is gay.

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[Heavy]

Too bad youre not a soldier or married, or youd be one person closer to reaching your dream

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HORDE KING FOREVER!!!
ORACLE NEVER!!!

[TooCute]

Too bad youre not a soldier or married, or youd be one person closer to reaching your dream


OOOH! Mojo!! He just called you gay!! What time are you going to meet him in the schoolyard?

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[Cybersoldier]

Too bad youre not a soldier or married, or youd be one person closer to reaching your dream


OOOH! Mojo!! He just called you gay!! What time are you going to meet him in the schoolyard?



fight, fight 20 bucks on johneewadd winning

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[FMJeff]

OOH! Mojo!! He just called you gay!! What time are you going to meet him in the schoolyard?


stop instigating

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It made my heart sing.

[TooCute]

stop instigating

What are you going to do about it, huh, BULLY?

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[TheMojoPin]

Too bad youre not a soldier or married, or youd be one person closer to reaching your dream

Yeah, but you've been both, so that makes up for me.

johnnee's my boyfriend.

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