Another RIAA loophole found

[Bill From Yorktown]

Here (http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_434051,00030010.htm)


MIT students develop alternative to file-swapping


basically allowing for on site music listening - more power to 'em

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[furie]

why is this on an Indian website? Is this heads up for Tata?


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[Bill From Yorktown]

it was a better link than the original site I hit:

Here (http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/34852)

- more info --- basically it is done over the internet, but because the "last mile" is over analog lines (cable tv lines into dorm room) it isnt covered under a lot of the legalities that file sharers get sued under....

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[FMJeff]

This really doesn't solve anything...its analog so it sucks...and you listen to it over your tv....so who cares....

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[Bill From Yorktown]

it allows multiple people across several campuses to "stick it to the man" and play whatever music they want over their tv, pc, whatever.

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[JustJon]

And it's different than college radio how? The only diff is multiple channels and anyone can get a chance.

The music is stored digitally, but playing it over the tv degrades it to analog. Just like radio.

And was a link to the cnn article too obvious?

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[Bill From Yorktown]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/technology/03mitt.html

update - for those who do not have an NyTimes.com subscription -


It was hailed as ingenious: a way to listen to music on demand while avoiding the legal battleground of file sharing. Best of all, the music was fully licensed, so there would be no legal trouble.

But it was not, and there is. On Friday, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology announced that it would temporarily shut down its groundbreaking Library Access to Music System until the licensing rights can be worked out.

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The music service had its official start one week ago but within hours, music companies, including the Universal Music Group, complained that they had not granted - or been paid for - the required legal permission to make the copies of their songs used by the system.
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[JustJon]

Eventually, people will figure out the RIAA is archaiac and it'll be time for a new order. Till then, they'll just keep fucking things up.

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[Snoogans]

this is why i dont feel for society. if we really didnt wanna pay this much for music, why did we keep buying it before napster when the prices were 20 bucks a cd. if we had stopped buying it then, they woulda had no choice but lower the prices and it never woulda been a problem. but what bought it till it was easy to steal and now when they stop us from taking what is legally theirs, we get mad and try to think of more way to steal, rather than using intelligence to solve our problems

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[bigbaldirish]

if we really didnt wanna pay this much for music, why did we keep buying it before napster when the prices were 20 bucks a cd.

we didn't have a choice. unless it was a cd that i really wanted, i always waited til they were on sale for 14.99 or even better, bought used CD's 7.99. i could've taped it off of the radio, but i don't want the edited version. I want the real deal. you don't have to agree with me, i'm just showing my point of view. BUT just to put one last thing in your perspective, every blank cd, every blank audio tape, every blank video tape, and every blank dvd you buy, the record companies (sony, universal) get a piece of, because when the VCR came out the movie industry thought that it was gonna destroy them, and brought up these copyright problems that are brought up now. So TDK pays up everytime you buy a stack of 50 Cds. paying for your downloaded material.

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[Snoogans]

we didn't have a choice

tapes were like 7 bucks while Cd's were 18.99. you dont wanna pay that much, by a tape, or dont buy anything and listen to the radio. that would have been the intelligent way to deal with it. but no, we said fuck it, lets be as bad as the RIAA and steal

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[JustJon]

Fact is that over the past 10 years, the costs to produce those cds have gotten progressively cheaper, while the price of cds stayed the same (or in some cases more expensive). Had music companies made the music more affordable rather than hording the additional profits, they wouldn't have as many people scrounging for cheaper alteratives.

No matter how you look at it, people will steal. But there are those that would cough up for a cost efficient alternative. The Apple Music Store sells millions of songs. Why? Because they're cheap and fast.

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[nycenice]

hopefully eventually everyone will be forced to actually learn how to use mirc to get music it's a much faster and efficient way to get things if u know what you're doing. neway until they shut down newsgroups and irc and ftp's the riaa won't even touch the surface of illegal downloads. yay for pirates!

[Snoogans]

i know jon, and before this seems like my crusade, i downloaded fuckin music too. im just sayin, we started stealing out of laziness, and though stealing wont stop, we hardly have any right to complain about them stopping us from stealing.

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[Bill From Yorktown]

this is why i dont feel for society. if we really didnt wanna pay this much for music, why did we keep buying it before napster when the prices were 20 bucks a cd. if we had stopped buying it then, they woulda had no choice but lower the prices and it never woulda been a problem. but what bought it till it was easy to steal and now when they stop us from taking what is legally theirs, we get mad and try to think of more way to steal, rather than using intelligence to solve our problems


the problem is we can refuse to buy album x for $20, while some trend whore 14 year old HAS to buy the new Brittney or whoever else's cd - so the buying and problem continues.

policing EVERYTHING our kids buy isnt practical either.... they'll treat it as contraban and still find a way to buy it.

Face it, we're screwed.

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[Snoogans]

thats why parents are too soft on kids now. i mean, no one will say no to kids, and most parents act like its someone else's job.

i love the parent who sits around bitching that games like vice city should be pulled cause they teach violence, never thinkin maybe she just shouldnt let her kid have it if she doesnt want him to see this. and remember this thinkin is goin on while the kid is eating lunch at mcdonalds everyday, and then oh wait, thats someone else's responsibility too.

kids dont get $20 to buy CD's from nowhere, and i dont know alot of 14 year olds that work for their money. seriously, even 15 years ago when i was 5 you hardly ever saw fat kids, now they are everywhere.

TELL YOUR KIDS NO ONCE IN A WHILE FOR CHRIST"S SAKE

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[gypsy]

Record compaines have been found guilty of price fixing on several different occasions.

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[Snoogans]

and if we didnt buy them when they did that, it wouldnt have worked. its a double edge sword, am i sayin they are right in their past practices, absolutely not.

all im sayin is we dont have a right to complain that they wont let us download the music on the internet cause it is stealing. regardless of how it got to that point, we cant act shocked that they are tryin to stop us from stealing

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[bigbaldirish]

but the record companies are still getting paid because you still need to buy those blank cd's. and the apple music thing, isn't cheaper think about it, 18.99 a cd, or 99 cents a song. you can fit about 15-20songs for 99 cents, plus the cost of the cd which is another 50 cents if your buying in bulk, it's still not he 10-14 dollars we should be paying. the only people doing it right now, are interscope, but it's too little to late, most of interscopes albums are now 12.99 or lower.

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[Snoogans]

though you make a good point for the most part, what record co gets paid for blank CD's??

if i go to comp usa and by Verbatum brand blank CD's, how exactly does universal see any part of that. record companies dont produce blank cd's, they buy them and then use them

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[bigbaldirish]

they get a percentage of all sales of blank cds

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[Snoogans]

your nuts. because that means when i buy a blank cd from a cd co to burn windows XP say, or photoshop, the RIAA really makes money of that. if they did, that would be illegal, because they dont have the rights to everything you can put on blank cd's

AKA YOUR WRONG

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[bigbaldirish]

yo man i went to school for music business for 2 years, i admit i don't know everything or even alot of things. this is something i know about. every blank tape, every blank cd, every blank video, and every blank video. a percentage goes to the entertainment industry. so yes everytime you buy a blank cd for using on your computer money goes to the record companies. and this is from when vcr had gained recording abilities, the movie companies flipped out saying that they were losing millions of dollars because people are pirating there movies off of television. so the record industry got in on it. and they inherited a portion of all the money that recordable media generates.

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[Bill From Yorktown]

trust me, my son is only 2 1/2 and I say no to him; I bet it's easy enough for a 14 year old to scrape up $20 - a dollar here, a dollar there, some allowance, and bingo. If they want it they'll find a way.

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[Snoogans]

if you wanna look taht way fine. every time you buy a pizza, the US government makes money of sales tax, taxing you, all kinds of shit. every time you talk on a non flip cell phone, you pay qualcomm money for their technologies. thats life brotha

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[Bill From Yorktown]

but I see your point - there are a LOT of lazy parents who just hand them money whenever they want and do not police what they do. These kids are where they companies are making their money on cd's, not the 30something demographic (we're the demographic for cars and house stuff, not music)

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[Snoogans]

yea a dollar hear, allowance there, all comes from parents. i have a job, and my parents give me shit. if it wasnt for my job, i wouldnt have enough for a cd.

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[bigbaldirish]

but for those taxes services are rendered. public defenders for the poor, money to support troops, school programs. qualcom charges the cell phone companies to use their technology, the cell phone companies charge us in turn

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[Snoogans]

and the money that goes to record companies provides a service, its called music

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