Iraqi Bombings

[NewYorkDragons80]

Does anyone have a statistic on how many bombings have occured in Iraq since May?

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[furie]

about once a day. do the math.


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[sr71blackbird]

Im starting to get concerned with the amount of deaths these Iraqis are inflicting on our troops lately, its alarming. Im starting to think that the world would be better off if we just obliterated that whole hemisphere. I dont see a solution to their disputes over there, as they are so hard headed and not willing to give in to reason. The kids there will grow up hating us now, and they will attack us in the future. Theres been so many killed in that region and they all have vandettas and all want us destroyed and its just so deeply ingrained in them now. What can we do?

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[TheMojoPin]

Im starting to think that the world would be better off if we just obliterated that whole hemisphere.

I'm pretty sure you're kinda confused as to what a hemisphere actually is.

Even if we were to bend the geographic "rules" to fit what you're saying, something in my gut tells me we'd need those big chunks of Asia and Europe we just obliterated, y'know, at the very LEAST...

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[carcass]

your on the right track...but no one wants to admit....time to go through syria

its like the md dc line...they come in ..do a bomb or two....blend in ...and stroll right back to ...

and we 'd have a better chance of finding the weapons we've been looking for....


vietnam....hmmm ...charlie hid out in laos and cambodia...rule o ingagement prevented us from winning.....


hearts n minds didnt work then ...wont work now...


its ugly..yes

its cold...yes..


but if we dont do it right this time....


how long till dc, ny la get bombed ...


security will not find everything.no matter the training...




and it is also time to admit this is a religious war

they are using religion...some of them belive in the prophecies of old and are trying their best to make em come true

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[HBox]

Nice to see Christopher Reeve chimed in.

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[TheMojoPin]

and it is also time to admit this is a religious war

Only if it was two-sided.

I ain't fightin', and more importantly, dyin', for NO god.

Of course, it's not like I'm fightin' ALREADY...

I'm a big fat coward.

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This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 11-3-03 @ 12:25 AM

[Yerdaddy]

The most recent listing of major attacks on US forces I know of is from the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3019552.stm" target="_blank" >BBC</a>. But that's a listing of US casualties. It doesn't list the bombings of the UN, Red Cross, or the mosque in Falluja. I don't know who's tracking bombings in general. Try <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org" target="_blank" >www.globalsecurity.org</a> or <a href="http://www.fas.org" target="_blank" >www.fas.org</a>.

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[high fly]

Time to go through Syria


Time to do the math.
We have over half of our deployable Army in Iraq.
We need the rest in case of a need to deploy them elsewhere, like Korea, or Taiwan.
Right now we are burning out our army by overdeploying it.
Equipment is being worn out much more quickly than anticipated and stocks of items like helicopter blades and armored vehicle tracks are dangerously low.
Morale is dropping and retention is going to be a much bigger problem, especially since the administration kept misleading the troops on how long they'd be in Iraq.

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This message was edited by high fly on 11-5-03 @ 8:08 PM

[DarkHippie]

Time to go through Syria
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[carcass]

HIGH, you are right...and before the war on terror is over.I bet the draft is reinstated

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[fluffernutter]

Is it just me or is saying something like "we should just obliterate that whole area" or "we should just NUKE 'EM ALL" not only sound completely ignorant but completely stupid as well. I mean for goodness sake. YES, there are some bad people over there but there are so many mor epeople who are human int he whole element regardless of religious preference, color, creed or race. Take out the bad people when we find them, yes. Blowing up the whole region is just ludicrous.

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[TheMojoPin]

Is it just me or is saying something like "we should just obliterate that whole area" or "we should just NUKE 'EM ALL" not only sound completely ignorant but completely stupid as well.

Of course. Either they don't know a single Arab or person of Arab descent in ANY way, shape or form, or they simply have no clue what they're talking about.

What would the limits be? Would both parents have to be Arab, or just one? What if you had an Arabic grandparent, or someone even further back? If you were born in America, or another non-Arabic country, are you OK? I don't "get" what the limits would be...and neither do they.

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[fluffernutter]

I mean not that I know but say we do launch a nuke over and obliterate the Middle East and turn it into a parking lot. From everything I have read do you know the kind of implications it would have on not only us but the countries that we do have good relations with over there. Or do we just care about US and what is good for US and how WE can own and fucking run everything. Am I missing somethng here? Where is my rag?!?

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[furie]

I bet the draft is reinstated


i'll take that bet.


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[Doomstone]

Is it just me or is saying something like "we should just obliterate that whole area" or "we should just NUKE 'EM ALL" not only sound completely ignorant but completely stupid as well. I mean for goodness sake. YES, there are some bad people over there but there are so many mor epeople who are human int he whole element regardless of religious preference, color, creed or race. Take out the bad people when we find them, yes. Blowing up the whole region is just ludicrous.



Well apparently a new talking point for defenders of everything Bush is to prepare for impending atrocities, to be committed by our side.

David Brooks in the New York Times: (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/04/opinion/04BROO.html)



It's not that we can't accept casualties. History shows that Americans are willing to make sacrifices. The real doubts come when we see ourselves inflicting them. What will happen to the national mood when the news programs start broadcasting images of the brutal measures our own troops will have to adopt? Inevitably, there will be atrocities that will cause many good-hearted people to defect from the cause. They will be tempted to have us retreat into the paradise of our own innocence.

Somehow, over the next six months, until the Iraqis are capable of their own defense, the Bush administration is going to have to remind us again and again that Iraq is the Battle of Midway in the war on terror, the crucial turning point where either we will crush the terrorists' spirit or they will crush ours.

The president will have to remind us that we live in a fallen world, that we have to take morally hazardous action if we are to defeat the killers who confront us. It is our responsibility to not walk away. It is our responsibility to recognize the dark realities of human nature, while still preserving our idealistic faith in a better Middle East.



Of course, if the goal is to turn even more of them against us than there are now, Brooks is on the right track. And how am I supposed to digest the "things are going great" message and at the same accept that we have no option but to take "morally hazardous action."

Brooks isn't alone, obviously. Witness Ralph Peters in the New York Post: (http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/9955.htm)



If the populace continues to harbor our enemies and the enemies of a healthy Iraqi state, we need to impose strict martial law. Instead of lavishing more development funds on the city - bribes that aren't working - we need to cut back on electricity, ration water, restrict access to the city and organize food distribution through a ration card system. And we need to occupy the city so thickly that the inhabitants can't step out of their front doors without bumping into an American soldier.

Don't worry about alienating the already alienated. Make an example of them. Then see how the other cities respond. Such an experiment would be expensive. But strategic victories don't come cheap.

Iraq's Sunni Arabs need to master a simple equation: If you support those who kill Americans, there are penalties. If you cooperate to build a better Iraq, there are rewards. We need contrasts in Iraq between how we treat the deserving and the murderous.


Wouldn't it be completely ironic if we were to transform Iraq into a totalitarian police state? But collective punishment has always worked throughout history! Not to mention that it's illegal according to the Geneva Conventions, and thus, according to United States law. But only liberals care about laws...

Peters also vomits out this gem:



We're overdue to take a lesson from the Romans and the British before us and recognize the value of punitive expeditions. Should the Iraqis fail themselves in the end, our current endeavor may prove to have been simply a very expensive - but still worthwhile - punitive expedition. Such an outcome wouldn't mean that we failed, but that the Iraqis had failed themselves.


Riiiiiiiiight.

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[Doomstone]

I bet the draft is reinstated


Not until after the 2004 elections.

[keithy_19]

I agree with the people saying pull our boys out of there. But I'm saying it for a different reason. Pull our troops out, but then send in the bombers and go to town again. I wanna see some of that shock and aw again. And I honestly don't care about innocent civillains. We didn't care when we nuked hiroshima, sometimes war is ugly.

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[Doomstone]

Pull our troops out, but then send in the bombers and go to town again. I wanna see some of that shock and aw again. And I honestly don't care about innocent civillains.


You need serious psychological help.

[HBox]

And I honestly don't care about innocent civillains.

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[TheMojoPin]

And I honestly don't care about innocent civillains.

"A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."

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[high fly]

Just obliterate the whole area


Yeah! Kick ass! Woo-hooo!

Kill-em all! (growwwwwl!)

Bomb-em back to the stone age! (gruuuunt!)

Give-em a taste of Nagasaki! (waves fist in the air)

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

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[carcass]

231-232.....whatever it takes...poor poor iraqis..sooooooo innocent...

they brought this on themselves...

ans we screwed up in 91'.....pay now or pay later..

I think that the man is right...pull em out and let the bombing begin

and have a few stray across the boarder to ..........mmmmm


syria.....

face down in the gutter
wont admit defeat
thou his clothes are soiled and black
he's a big strong man , w/ a childs mind
dont you take his booze away

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[carcass]

no , you fly heleocopter full o bug juice , and you spray everywhere....to kill the bastards...and hope to hell that stuff fing works.

face down in the gutter
wont admit defeat
thou his clothes are soiled and black
he's a big strong man , w/ a childs mind
dont you take his booze away

[TheMojoPin]

no , you fly heleocopter full o bug juice , and you spray everywhere....to kill the bastards...and hope to hell that stuff fing works.

So the Iraqis using chemical weapons on the Kurds is BAD...but us using it on the Iraqis is now GOOD?

Make up your fucking mind. Are we the good guys or not? Do we fight these people or do we become them? No matter how buried you are in denial, we CAN'T have it both ways.

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