Too much God? Not enough God?

[keithy_19]

It seems to me that many many many people want their to be less religion. But why? I'd rather have a nation with morals then a nation where there are non. What do you think?

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............so, morality only comes from God?


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[Snoogans]

It seems to me that many many many people want their to be less religion. But why? I'd rather have a nation with morals then a nation where there are non. What do you think?

i think its that less people wanna hear about religion. not so much they dont want it. your statement is kinda fucked up in that whose to say what morals are. who are you to say what should be considered moral, and whats the right religion. that kind of thing causes conflict and so i think people would rather just not talk about it as much

and like ron said, especially the jews cause they always get blamed for everything

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[Tall_James]

especially the jews cause they always get blamed for everything

Everyone knows that it was the jews who greenlighted "Gigli".


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[Snoogans]

hahaha tall james thats the funniest thing ever

wait, are you sayin its cause they control the media, you anti semite!! :)

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[sr71blackbird]

I was raised catholic, but I think the world could use a few centurys of no religion to kind of "air out" the assholes who take it way too seriously, but it'll never happen. Apparently, Islam never had a "reformation" and is still in its "dark ages" and as a result, with todays technology, we will keep on seeing all the bullshit that its extremism will bring us for the next millenia at the very least.

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[HBox]

It seems to me that many many many people want their to be less religion. But why? I'd rather have a nation with morals then a nation where there are non. What do you think?

Were you the same person who in the Iraqi bombings thread said you didn't care about killing innocent civilians?

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[ChrisTheCop]

yeah yeah, everyone wants less religion in our lives...until you have kids--then it's off to church so that theyre raised with a moral code. Face it, mythology or not, religion is a good foundation for good living.

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[Snoogans]

not always chris. i was forced to go to church and ccd by my mother when i was little, and i hated it, so i used to do bad shit and say thats why so i didnt have to go. catholism sucks ass. its boring, it makes no sense, and the guy who reads to us looks like a ventriliquist with that puppet on his hand....



wait a sec??????thats an alter boy????

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[Doomstone]

I'd rather have a nation with morals then a nation where there are non. What do you think?



I wanna see some of that shock and aw again. And I honestly don't care about innocent civillains.


Aaah yes, if only everyone else was cut from the same moral fiber as yourself.

[Snoogans]

damn, kudos to you guys for remember that. what a fuckin ass. im guessing that keithbobeefy is probably catholic, and just like priests kieth, way to practice what you preach buddy....nice job tool

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[sr71blackbird]

Im not knocking Catholics, Im just saying that even though I was raised that way and believe in it myself, I acknowledge that at this point in our development, we shouldnt have to put up with these old school zelots that shake their crooked sabre at us from across their desert.

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[Snoogans]

just so we know, i AM knocking catholics. not personally, but catholism

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[JohnnyCash]

Theres a lot of war and bad things done in the name of religion. But theres also a lot of good. Im not religious though I absolutley believe in God. I
dont think its a case of there being too much or not enough religion. I think its what you do with it. Obviously if you use religion as the reason to carry out a terrorist act, its wrong.

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[erole]

Apparently, Islam never had a "reformation" and is still in its "dark ages" and as a result, with todays technology, we will keep on seeing all the bullshit that its extremism will bring us for the next millenia at the very least.


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and a buddy allah.

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[carcass]

hmm....seems to me .religion is about faith...you either have it or you dont...we're all human...and will be judged by our actions..So many have been fooled by evil that is all around us....sooo many believe in heavan...but dont in hell..its funny

I believe there are many religion's cause WHos to say God isnt playing one against another to test faith?


mock all you want

I'm not dissing catholics, just their beliefs.
dude .your dissin catholics...


It is man...and his weakness or greed or lust ect ect that gets the various religions into trouble..


any way......when you die you will find out....and I dont care how old you are...it will be soon....

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[TheMojoPin]

This thread jumped off instantly to an incorrect tangent, as some have pointed out...that one can only be "right" or "moral" if they have a dose of religion in their lives.

IS what you were saying, Keith? That those of us that don't lead overtly or actively religious lives can't possibly be as moral, jusr or right as those that do? Because I think that's a cop-out. Good parents/teachers/authority figures are just that...good. Religion won't magically "fix" a child if they don't have at least some of these people guiding them in the right direction. Religion can and often is an excellent guiding force in people's lives, but it's a little silly to think that ONLY religion can "save" them or the rest of the country.

We have brains. SOME of us know how to use them. Give us a little credit.

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[JohnnyCash]

You dont have to be a religious person to be a "right" or "moral" person. I know lots of athiests who are very good people. You cant get much more religious than a Priest and do you think what some of them did was morally correct? Religion has nothing to do with it.

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[Doomstone]

This thread jumped off instantly to an incorrect tangent, as some have pointed out...that one can only be "right" or "moral" if they have a dose of religion in their lives.

But that IS the thinking of religious fanatics. The belief that without religion, humans are devoid of any moral character, and thus need a supreme being to guide them on the path of righteousness. In the eyes of many, a person who lacks religious faith is unable to comprehend the difference between right and wrong, because there would be no such thing as right or wrong if not specifically determined by their diety of choice. According to the fanatically religious, atheists would have no problem at all with murder, for they have no God to tell them that murder is wrong, no eternal consequences in the afterlife, and thus, no reason not to do so.

Of course, they're full of shit.

[TheMojoPin]

Well, I get what you're saying, but I don't think Keith is a "fanatic." He just sounds like my mom.

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[Doomstone]

Well, I get what you're saying, but I don't think Keith is a "fanatic." He just sounds like my mom.

Probably. I don't think he's a fanatic, just a confused, psychologically disturbed young lad. However, his post:



It seems to me that many many many people want their to be less religion. But why? I'd rather have a nation with morals then a nation where there are non. What do you think?


implies that lack of religion = lack of morals. Less religion = less morals. Unfortunately, this line of thinking is taught by the more fanatical religious leaders to their less fanatical but still religious subjects, and they eat it up.

Remember why "Under God" was added to the Pledge?

[monsterone]

in this day and age, it seems the largest and loudest religions are not practicing what they preach (christianity, islam, judaism). the self-appointed mouth-pieces are the worst examples usually.

there are millions more in the world living quiet, spiritual lives, walking in line with what ever it is that guides the morally.

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[billyio]

Islam has went through its own "Reformations". Bahaiism, the sectarian movements,such as modern fundamentalists, Sufism, and theopolitical schisms of Shi'ism and Sunni'ism are revolutions in Islamic religious history. This is just a brief outline. You know. This is neglecting tribal and secular influences. Blah blah.

I agree. Religion does not necessarily equal morality. I think Keith uses the abstract symbol of "religion" as what is a utopian reality. How's that for an oxymoron?

And, let's face it. God will always be a human issue. There is never a too much or too little.

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[TheMojoPin]

Remember why "Under God" was added to the Pledge?

DIRTY COMMIES!

Actually, a better example would have been the adding of "In God We Trust" to the nation's money, since it was added after the fact after a movement led by some clergy decided what was best for everyone else in a massive federal matter.

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[SatCam]

I'd rather live by what I think is ethical and right, rather than what some guy over in italy thinks is right.

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A caller on the show the other night had a great quote. It was from Napolean, but hey, the little guy actually had some words of wisdom.

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[Snoogans]

i dont agree with the murdering, but it definately gave poor people a reason to wanna live a wholesome life back when it seemed to the peasants that their life sucked. no way the rich wanted to have to farm their own food, god forbid. so they make up this thing to make the people who do the dirty work wanna live and do that stuff so the rich dont have to

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[keithy_19]

I did say I don't care if some innocent people have to die to keep our country safe. I stand by that. I don't feel that religion should be involved in war. We need to protect ourselves first. If thats immoral then I guess I'm not moral about everything.

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[Snoogans]

I did say I don't care if some innocent people have to die to keep our country safe. I stand by that. I don't feel that religion should be involved in war. We need to protect ourselves first

your not allowed to post anymore. you need an IQ of at least 6. are you aware the major bases for them wanting us dead is religion. the majority of wars and conflicts in our history, including that little isreal palastine problem, oh yea religion.

dude you are way off base, and have gotten in way over your head.

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[DarkHippie]

I love religion!!!!

Then again, what writer doesn't? religion has produced some of the most beautiful works of literature, art, music, you name it. there are very few things that can stir the muse like faith.

But religion shouldn't be static, and I don't belive that you should be so complacent and to settle into somebody else's. every human mind is different, so every religion should be.

however, a moral code is universal. Cutures all over the world seem to have the same moral codes, whether in Bali or Bolivia. code is deeper than anything: its at the root of our consciousness. Religion--a collection of beliefs and stories--is only there to support that code.

As for me, I'm more interested in the mythos. i think i've got the code down pretty well.

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