High School Drug Raid

[HBox]

High School Drug Raid (http://www.msnbc.com/news/990598.asp?0dm=C229N)

This is awful. And worse, they find no drugs at all. It REALLY sounds like this high school had a raging drug problem. I hope this principal is fired.

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[Se7en]

They likely had enough cause to perform the search, but the manner they went about it was excessive and just unreasonable.

Guns drawn? Handcuffing students? No reason for that at all. It's beyond over the top. I can actually appreciate a "zero tolerance" approach but this is just ridiculous.

I imagine many heads will roll - especially once the lawsuits start streaming in.

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[Snoogans]

Guns drawn? Handcuffing students? No reason for that at all. It's beyond over the top. I can actually appreciate a "zero tolerance" approach but this is just ridiculous.

has anyone considered the fact that its against the law to handcuff a minor unless the pose you a physical threat. even in arrest of minors, the dont cuff them unless they are violent. the cops broke a whole bunch of laws if they just started cuffing students

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[BoondockSaint]

On the news last night the principal said he did not find it excessive. He also said he had only heard complaints from a few parents. It must have been taped early because I think more then a few parents would have a problem.

By the way, if it was my kid, and he was handcuffed with guns drawn, I might be a little more then "upset."

[golfcourseguy]

I know I'm woefully out of touch but, dope sniffing dogs came up empty ? In a High School ?

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[CaptClown]

Didn't the principal say some thing about some students getting tipped off before the raid?

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[HBox]

The principal apparently heard a tip that a big drug deal was going down that day. And he said that there had been a big marijuana problem in the school, that marijuana had been being sold and that students had learned how to avoid the security cameras when dealing drugs.

But what are the odds that the day that he calls in a drug raid there are absolutely NO DRUGS in the school at all. Especially one with such an alleged drug problem. It doesn't make much sense, and it certainly makes this principal seem extremely paranoid and out of touch with what's going on in his school.

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[carcass]

hmm..maybe the laws in S carolina are different.....funny they found nothing..
still minors dont have all their rights yet...

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and most drug deals..go down after school.off grounds..[ if ya dont want to get busted].they just get set up on campus



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[golfcourseguy]

Didn't the principal say some thing about some students getting tipped off before the raid?


It boggles my mind that ,even if "the dealers" were tipped off that day, some backpack or locker didn't have "something"- misplaced or otherwise.

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[DarkHippie]

hmm..maybe the laws in S carolina are different
Please see Amendment IV to our Constitution and revise your statement.

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THAT'S INSANE.

the least they could've done is focus on the weapons that they allegedly had...but over pot you're going to hold a gun to a student and have them on the ground?

At what point do the civil liberities of non drug students be impeded by the possbility of one of them dealing or buying drugs? In order to be morally correct (on some level) they have to treat everyone the same...if my little sister got a gun to her face while she lays on the ground and she doesn't have a gun in her hand...i'd be pissed beyond belief.

If my student was at that school I would write a letter to the local newspaper and get him fired...after I spoke with him on the phone and asked him what kind of "tip" that they received...it sounds like someone was trying to get another student in trouble..."anonymously..." At what point do the civil liberities of non drug students be impeded by the possiblity of one of them dealing or buying drugs?

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[CaptClown]

Please see Amendment IV to our Constitution and revise your statement.

Consult a lawyer, but I believe school officials are considered as being in loco parente of the children until school is over for the day. So that wouldn't apply.

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This message was edited by CaptClown on 11-10-03 @ 5:07 PM

[high fly]

Did Rumsfeld send them in?

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[Snoogans]

we had a raid at our school once. the signaled the carbon monoxide alarm and then searched while the kids were outside for an hour waiting for what we thought was minoxide to clear from the gym. we did find out till the next day when 3 kids were arrested that that's what they were doin. this school should have used that idea

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[Mike Teacher]

Some Legal Background; from Teachers and The Law; a book just about every teacher has been assigned to in an Education class, or elsewhere. These are generalizations, some are specifics, and keep in mind how malleable the law is, and there are cases where the opposite has been ruled because of unique or peculiar circumstances. Some applies, some is unrelated but it's in my notes so:

Q: Can School Officials Search Student Lockers?

Yes, if they have reasonable grounds to suspect that something illegal or dangerous is in the locker. That goes back to the "In Loco Parentis" [Latin for `In Place Of the Parents'], where school officials, in times where it is justified may make decisions that might conflict with due process.

Due Process does not apply, school officials can search it then and there. In fact a NY Court went further: `not only do school authorities have the right to inspect, but the right becomes a duty when suspicion arises that something dangerous may be there.'

Q: Can police officials search school lockers and students?

Yes, but the Police, unlike the Educator, need a search warrant before they can conduct a search. Evidence in warrantless searches, or without the students consent, is excluded.

Q: What about strip searches by School Administrators?

They are usually illegal. The courts have ruled that these are more invasive and merit greater protection for the student. The courts are divided on this. For Educators: a standard akin to Probable Cause must be used, meaning the Principal must have evidence from highly reliable sources that a particular student is hiding illegal or dangerous substances.

Q: Can the Police Search School Lockers or Students without Search Warrants?

No. In general, the same legal principles apply to police behavior in and out of schools.

Q: Can schools conduct a General Search with metal detectors?
Yes, if there is a high rate of violence, if the search is part of a plan to ensure student safety, and is conducted in a uniform manner.



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Q: Can School Officials Search Student Lockers?

To be more specific Mike, School Lockers are school property, therefore, they have the right to search them anytime they want, although they usually only do it with sespecion.

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[Mike Teacher]

Yep SatCam; the fact that the schools also knows the combinations [and the student is well aware of that fact] has shot down most appeals based on a students expectation to privacy in said locker.

Of course, the grey lines start immediately after; because if you find a bookbag in that locker; does the Student have a reasonable expectation of privacy as to the contents of the bookbag?

Cases have gone either way, but the courts usually do recognize the right to privacy there, so unless there is probable cause or some other peculiar circumstance, you can look inside the locker, but not search inside the bookbag.

This also shows how onion-like the law can be; meaning existing on so many different levels. In the simple case of the locker search, you might be dealing with one or more of the following:

Due Process
Right to Privacy
Illegal Search and Seizure
Property
Implied Consent
Probable Cause
In loco parentis

and thats just what comes to my mind, and I do not know a whole lot about the law, just a bit about some stuff regarding teachers.

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[high fly]

Didn't the principal say some thing about some students getting tipped off...?


Stupid students.

They should've stashed their weed in the principal's office.



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