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JOEBIALEK
11-26-2003, 03:46 PM
"Most people who are in the prison system will get out, they will be somebody's neighbor and they will have gained nothing from their time in prison except the knowledge that "it's you or me" because that's the way it is in our prisons. They have removed most of the educational programs from our prisons because the tax payers don't want to throw away good money on worthless criminals. They have no counseling, nothing to help them change whatever it was that got them where they are in the first place. Is this what we really want?" "Misconceptions About Prison Life" By Jeanette Doil

The Eighth Amendment of The Bill of Rights for the Constitution of the United States: "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." The very way prisons are operated today is a clear violation of this amendment.

Prison life today is the complete forfeiture of freedom for a certain period of time; sometimes the remaining days of one's life. Both violent and non-violent people are mixed together in the prison population which violates the Eighth Amendment because the potentiality for violence against non-violent offenders strongly exists. Furthermore, given the present conditions, those given life sentences without the possibility of parol would be better off if given the option of execution by the method of their choosing. But what about those with the chance of eventually leaving prison and returning to society?

One of the things strongly lacking in prison today is personal discipline; self imposed discipline. This is the discipline that makes you try harder and work more intensely then you ever thought you could. Sadly, prisoners lack both the incentive and ability to develop this themselves. Consequently, discipline needs to come from outside themselves. The best source of external discipline comes from United States Marine Corps boot-camp seargants. Prisoners need to be treated the same as new recruits when they step off the bus into the prison yard for the first time. It needs to be made clear that until they are released, the "system" will not allow them to continue in their present state of disorder. Once the prisoner accepts their new found source of discipline, they may "graduate" to learning a trade or completing an education. Various forms of counselling must also be provided in order to keep them focused on their path to rehabilitation. The right of the prisoners to peaceably assemble must be forfeited in order to prevent the formation of groups detrimental to the process. This would also prevent the smuggling of drugs into the prison as the corrupt corrections officer would no longer have a "market". The problem with prisons today is that they only serve to foster a continuation of the human condition that leads to incarceration. With all this discussion and funding of homeland security, it would seem logical to start with America's prisons as a means of improving the safety and security of every United States citizen.

Heavy
11-26-2003, 03:49 PM
Point?

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mikeyboy
11-26-2003, 03:50 PM
Not this again. Put the text of his post into Google. It's cross-posted on messageboards all over the place.

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DJEvelEd
11-26-2003, 04:04 PM
What were you in for?

Did they take your manhood?

If so, what flavor syrup was your favorite?

Spit or swallow?

Reacharounds or only when on heroin?

What's it like seeing someone wipe their ass after their asshole throws up?

Are you a large killer-type who doesn't like jokes and will kill me and rape my cats?
If so, my real name is Snoogans. Evel Ed is my character name.

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Heavy
11-26-2003, 04:24 PM
Your search - "Most people who are in the prison system will get out, they will be somebody's neighbor and they will have gained nothing from their time in prison except the knowledge that "it's you or me" because that's the way it is in our prisons. They have removed - did not match any documents.


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mikeyboy
11-26-2003, 04:25 PM
Somebody's having trouble using google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Most+people+who+are+in+the+prison+system+will +get+out%2C+they+will+be+somebody%E2%80%99s+neighb or+and+they+will+have+gained+nothing+from+their+ti me+in+prison+except+the+knowledge+that+%E2%80%9Cit %E2%80%99s+you+or+me%E2%80%9D+because+that%E2%80%9 9s+the+way+it+is+in+our+prisons.+They+have+removed +m&btnG=Google+Search)

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furie
11-26-2003, 04:33 PM
With all this discussion and funding of homeland security, it would seem logical to start with America's prisons as a means of improving the safety and security of every United States citizen.


how does improving the prison system improve homeland security?


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Death Metal Moe
11-26-2003, 07:31 PM
Prison life today is the complete forfeiture of freedom for a certain period of time; sometimes the remaining days of one's life.


So put them up at your place.

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high fly
11-29-2003, 09:56 AM
Have you heard?

Arnold hasn't even gotten the governor's seat warm yet in cawleefawnia and he's letting convicted murderers out on the streets.

Somehow, I don't think this is what they elected him to do....

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This message was edited by high fly on 11-29-03 @ 2:58 PM

Mike Teacher
11-29-2003, 10:58 AM
I used to get these all the time from my students, and now I grade them at one of my work gigs.

The classic essay that fills the page and essentially states everything about the subject but has absolutely no aim or purpose whatsoever.

The padding with quotes is nice too, but again, there's nothing original here; it's been said in a thousand other places, and this would be an OK paper from one of my 9th graders; but...

And let me say whoever you are, I don't insult people here. Or for the most part, anywhere. So note that I am discussing your paper, not you. Some of the facts here are quite incorrect, so:

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phixion
11-29-2003, 07:58 PM
hmm this topic is one very close to my heart, and many of your points are valid, however, your idea of 'boot camp' inside of prison is retarded. many of the people inside of jail are there for not following rules, so why would they listen to someone shouting orders at them? it wont work. people cant change unles they want to. and if you really want to reform prisons, set up prisons for violent criminals: ie murderers and rapists, and set-up prisons for non-violent offenders ie car thieves and burglars. also fuck this petty 'white collar' crime bullshit, cause criminals that fall under that category get to go to minimum security prisons, meanwhile their crimes cost the american people more than 'blue collar' crime. also the hiring of CO's needs to be changed completely. in new york most criminals are minorities, yet most CO's are white and more importantly are from upstate. and i dont mean to generalize but this has been my experience, people from upstate are far more racist than people from downstate. the fact that some CO's are racist only helps them treat criminals far worse than they deserve to be treated. so the unfairly treated criminals lash out at any and everything around them. these are the problems i see with the prison system. im not saying they shouldn't be punished, but they don't need to be treated like shit either.

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monsterone
11-29-2003, 08:32 PM
i hate you joebialek, you arrogant, self-righteous, whore douche. luckily, you'll never read this since your agenda is to enlighten us and the multitude of other boards that you post and run on. fuck you.



i dont mean to generalize but this has been my experience, people from upstate are far more racist than people from downstate


get your head out of your ass phixion.

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phixion
11-29-2003, 08:52 PM
get your head out of your ass phixion


i speak out of personal experience, and stories from those who have experienced prison life, in riker's island, downstate correctional facilities, and upstate correctional facilities.

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