Those Poppies Make me So Sick

[Mike Teacher]

LINK TO FULL STORY (http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/28/afghanistan.drugs.reut/index.html)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Poppy cultivation in Afghanistan doubled between 2002 and 2003 to a level 36 times higher than in the last year of rule by the Taliban, according to White House figures released Friday. The area planted with poppies, used to make heroin and morphine."

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Well, for the dragon chasers, I read on CNN's website that the poppy fields in Afghanistan are spreading like a reverse wildfire. Seems there will be quite a crop...

And while using Those drugs might not Make You a Bad Person; they can indeed make you a Dead Person.

Now, and this goes in parallel with the "I learned it From You" thread:

Q: how to say this to your kid such that they get the information needed, but don't also get tempted, or you dont say it the wrong way and sound hypocritical or judgemental???

I'd be quite interested to hear answers and opinions to the above Q, because I have my ideas, but I do not have kids, and while teaching experience counts for something, it aint the same as being a parent. Even this non-parent sees that.

And non-parents. I'm no expert. Quite the opposite. I watched the DARE and other programs fail Spectacularly.

Meaning: Susie sees this online and asks Mom or Dad "What's Heroin?"

[Edit: The paranoid in me says 'Hmmm, the thread title might be seen as some Anti-Drug diatribe, as opposed to trying to improv on some other thread titles, I wonder if I whould mention that. Hmmm....]


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This message was edited by Mike Teacher on 11-29-03 @ 5:06 PM

[high fly]

Our occupation of Afghanistan was supposed to stop this.

(sigh) another administration promise, down the drain.....

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Maybe they just like bagels?

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What was the question again?

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[TheMojoPin]

Why is post-liberation Afghanistan producing more than a billion dollars worth of heroin-producing poppies this year? This just after last year was also a recording-breaking year for poppy production?

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[Tazz]

(sigh) another administration promise, down the drain.....


You're an idiot.

We take out a terrorist government and drastically reduce the number of terrorist training camps in that country, and you are worried about poppies.

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Maybe popies are legal. What should we do to stop them if theyre legal?

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I watched the DARE and other programs fail Spectacularly.


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truer words were never spoken


Wish it was the other way, but these programs are whispers in the din of the hurricane of cognitive dissonance that is our society. Look at the sum sensory input the teen of today has; it's literally exploded.

Ron, mentioned the other night, I forget about what exactly, but it was some technology. Ron mentioned, quite correctly, is the first thing we do is stand in amazement at it. And a second later, we wonder how it might be applied to sex. I think a few seconds after that, we wonder if it can get us high...

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[Mike Teacher]

Maybe they just like bagels?


Dr. Dean Adell was someone I listened to way back; and he once told the story of a Trucker whose life was literally and exactly ruined by false positives because of poppy seeds. He worked as a Tanker Driver for one of the major Oil companies, and LSS, he lost his job, his CDL license, and I forget what else, as this is stretching my memory as it is and I dont want to wander into apocrypha...



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[TheMojoPin]

We take out a terrorist government and drastically reduce the number of terrorist training camps in that country, and you are worried about poppies.

So then all the talk about "drugs supporting terrorism" is just government lies and hypocrisy, right? Sure seems like it if we're just letting this go on for the second year in a row...

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[high fly]

TAZZ is hiding under the bed right now, eyes clenched shut, hands over his ears, lint all over his new sailor suit.

" and they ask me why I drink"

This message was edited by high fly on 11-30-03 @ 3:16 PM

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[Tazz]

TAZZ is hiding under the bed right now, eyes clenched shut, hands over his ears, lint all over his new sailor suit.


What?

Seriously though, why do liberals have to find any nitpicky thing about the current administration to bitch about? Keep in mind that poppies are used in both the production of illegal narcotics AND morphine, which is an important drug.

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[DarkHippie]

Seriously though, why do liberals have to find any nitpicky thing about the current administration to bitch about? Keep in mind that poppies are used in both the production of illegal narcotics AND morphine, which is an important drug.

This isn't a "nitpicky thing." This was a major issue that the administration constantly brought up when we first went to Afghanistan. So much so that it "crossed over" into anti-drug commercials.

I'm not really sure why you threw in the thing about morphine, since most pain medications can be synthesized, and even if not, I don't think we would import them from terrorist countries.

But lets be realistic, the reason production is growing, is because we can't police it. there are no roads most of Afghanistan. logistics are a mess. It's all mountain and badlands.

I wish i had an answer, but I don't.

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[high fly]

Some Marshall Plan For Afghanistan, huh?


Looks like TAZZ is easily lied to.


No one get "nit picky" with poor TAZZ when all that Afghani heroin hits the streets.

" and they ask me why I drink"





This message was edited by high fly on 11-30-03 @ 4:52 PM

[TheMojoPin]

"Nitpicky?"

It's the second largest source of heroin and opiates in the world! We're cancelling out one fake "war" (The war on drugs) with another (The war on terror). We're forcing ourselves to lose. It's ludicrous.

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[Yerdaddy]

Keep in mind that poppies are used in both the production of illegal narcotics AND morphine, which is an important drug.
On licensed commercial farms, and not in Afghanistan.

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[high fly]

And they're very pretty.

Maybe this is nothing more than a new FTD Florist supply center...

" and they ask me why I drink"

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This guy is going to use them to eradicate all human life and repopulate the earth from space!

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This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 12-1-03 @ 3:51 PM

[high fly]

Mebbe it's just the Afghan's way of public beautification, y'know, kinda like we do in the states where we plant them wildflowers down the center of highway median strips.
I bet they gots them "Do Not Mow" signs also...




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This message was edited by high fly on 12-1-03 @ 4:25 PM

[high fly]

Or maybe those wily Republicans are going after the "junkie vote"?

" and they ask me why I drink"

[Yerdaddy]

<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-UN-Afghanistan-Opium.html?ei=5094&en=6e9c71206a67b054&hp=&ex=1100840400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print&position=" target="_blanK">U.N. Reports Boom in Opium Production in Afghanistan</a>

``The fear that Afghanistan might degenerate into a narco-state is slowly becoming a reality,'' Costa said in the report. ``Opium cultivation, which has spread like wildfire throughout the country, could ultimately incinerate everything: democracy, reconstruction and stability.''

The Afghanistan Opium Survey 2004 found that cultivation rose 64 percent over 2003, with 323,701 acres dedicated to the poppies that produce opium.

That set a double record, Costa said, for ``the highest drug cultivation in the country's history, and the largest in the world.''

The total output of 4,200 tons was only 17 percent higher than last year because bad weather and disease reduced yields by almost 30 percent, the survey found. Still, 2004 production was close to the peak of 4,600 tons in 1999 -- a year before the Taliban banned new cultivation.

By contrast, opium production in southeast Asia's notorious ``Golden Triangle'' has diminished 75 percent and the region ``may soon be declared drug-free,'' Costa said.


<a href="http://www.unodc.org/pdf/afg/afghanistan_opium_survey_2004.pdf" target="_blank">UN - Afghanistan Opium Survey 2004.</a> (PDF)

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The paranoid in me says 'Hmmm, the thread title might be seen as some Anti-Drug diatribe



Mike Teach, I read it and thought it was a PRO-drug diatribe.


YeaY Drugs!!

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[Snoogans]

when we are taught, we are taught it as opium, maybe if the government and media kept it to one thing, it would be a little easier for kids to be able to follow whats goin on. i knew what a weed plant was a hell of alot earlier then i knew what a "cannibis" plant was

as far as educating your kids about it, isnt that done for like 7 years between health class and DARE, i know DARE didnt really work to stop kids from doin anything, but it did at least teach you which drugs were which and what they did. if a kid goes to school and is past 6th grade and doesnt know what heroin is, that might be the kid you gotta worry about

and the reason DARE didnt work is soley due to who taught it.
i mean it like this, i use where i live for this, so it may not be the same by you.
First off, the dare officer in mahwah was a complete douche, he yelled at everyone, called kids stupid. yea, im gonna listen to that guy, sure thing buddy.
and number 2, there isnt really crime here, and the town has money, so they have way more cops then they need. i understand they have there quotas to match, and with no crime, they have to find some, so they harrass kids and minorities in essence tryin to find crimes, guessing if you will
they also staffed the juvenile det in the HS all day so all he does is listen and yell at kids and bribe kids who do things like smoking cigarettes into ratting so they dont get in trouble for whatever they did at school.
so the people who spent years telling us not to do things and why drugs are bad end up harrassing us or lying to us or just being dicks when you get pulled over. thats not gonna make me listen
the teacher woulda done a hell of alot better job at keeping me from taking drugs then a cop

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[Snoogans]

in that survey, it says they sell Kilo's of opium for 92 DOLLARS on the farms in afghan.

it costs more to grow a kilo of weed then it does to buy one of opium. doesnt anyone see the problem there

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[TheMojoPin]

as far as educating your kids about it, isnt that done for like 7 years between health class and DARE, i know DARE didnt really work to stop kids from doin anything, but it did at least teach you which drugs were which and what they did. if a kid goes to school and is past 6th grade and doesnt know what heroin is, that might be the kid you gotta worry about

That's not drug "education" in those years. Just drug "lectures" and scare-tactics. Drug education would entail teaching kids that overall drugs aren't the best choice...but, if ANY reason you end up taking some, here's what you need to know. Instead of just screaming "YOU COULD DIE!!!" at them, there's an opportunity to actually save some lives.

Take Ecstasy (Please, do!). The overall message would be one of not using it in the first place. But, if for whatever reason someone did take it, kids should be told to drink lots and lots of water to keep from overheating and dehydrating. The emphasis can and should be on the negative and adverse effects of drugs...but TRUE education would be attempts to go past that, and explain to people what they can do to avoid injury or harm or death if they end up taking the stuff.

It's a touchy subject, but it would be the most effective way to prevent someone from dying, as opposed to just throwing anti-drug propaganda at them and then ignoring them if they do somehow end up taking something.

Again, Ecstasy is a good example...some European countries actually offer testing kits to people to make sure their pills are safe and aren't packed with any "outside" drugs that could kill them, the thing that actually kills most people on Ecstasy. The mentality is, "alright, this stuff is illegal, and if we catch you with it, you're busted...but at the same time, we don't want people dropping dead, so here's some kind of a middle ground."

The police can still do their job and bust the users and dealers, and hopefully less people are ending up dead.

Win-win, right?

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[Snoogans]

That's not drug "education" in those years. Just drug "lectures" and scare-tactics. Drug education would entail teaching kids that overall drugs aren't the best choice...but, if ANY reason you end up taking some, here's what you need to know. Instead of just screaming "YOU COULD DIE!!!" at them, there's an opportunity to actually save some lives.

again, i equate that to the person running the drug education. a cop does that to kids, a teacher wouldnt scare kids. our health teacher all but told us where to get things like that, but also why you shouldnt. fuck he even told the class how people take heroin, step by step, even did an air immitation of heating the spoon to cook it up. and yet i actually learned from him whats bad about it.

all i heard from the cop is blah blah blah stupid, dont blah blah blah take drugs blah blah blah its fun to be high, but blah blah blah



Take Ecstasy (Please, do!). The overall message would be one of not using it in the first place. But, if for whatever reason someone did take it, kids should be told to drink lots and lots of water to keep from overheating and dehydrating


ill give you that, thats a great point. they told us whats bad about them, but never told us what to do if we take them anyway or if somehow we accidently end up all fucked up from something spiked, how to deal with it

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[Snoogans]

Again, Ecstasy is a good example...some European countries actually offer testing kits to people to make sure their pills are safe and aren't packed with any "outside" drugs that could kill them, the thing that actually kills most people on Ecstasy.

if you ever have the unfortunate expirience of being dragged to a REAL rave, they have a table set up by some group that does that too.
the reason is ecstacy, MDMA, does what it does, and PMA, the one they test against, does the same thing, but also cuts your body's ability to regulate temperature by sweating and what not, causing people to overheat and die

also i guess its good incase you got something totally different like speed or something, ecstacy sucks though. the way it makes you feel and the way it makes you happy doesnt feel natural, obviously it isnt, but at least when you're stoned you dont feel like everything is fake, its just all fucked up

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[TheMojoPin]

if you ever have the unfortunate expirience of being dragged to a REAL rave, they have a table set up by some group that does that too.

Odds are it was the people from dancesafe.org.

And it's a FORTUNATE experience.

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[Snoogans]

maybe if i actually liked ecstacy or the shitty COMPUTER made music they blast, or the completely retarded fuckin potzers with glow sticks.

also if they were ever in a nice place, or actually were people there sober or smart enough to have a conversation with, it might be pleasant.

its basically just a shitty music concert with alotta dickheads with glow sticks and alotta posers, and then a kid who was stoned and drunk out of his mind and was dragged there against my will and STILL MADE MORE SENSE THEN EVERYONE ELSE

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This message was edited by Snoogans on 11-18-04 @ 7:18 PM

[Mike Teacher]

I have absolutely NO memory whatsoever of making this thread. Scary.

Snoogs you are correct about the failure of DARE. It failed utterly, to the point of the organization admitting so.

My teaching method, in a perfect world, would involve showing the Benefit as well as the Bad for each drug, and I'm dead serious.

Cigarettes have a benefit. So does heroin.

Sounds insane, but if there was No, Zero benefit whatsoever, no one would take it. Now the benefits may be something as non-benefitial as: to get High. But the evidence for a need for some escape, some sort of altered state of consciousness, is about as pervasive as music and language in human cultures. People like to get High. Drunk. Buzzed. Whatever. Massive generalization, and obtuse, but i'm rambling as it is...

Meaning, and this again sounds stupid as I write it, but how many times a day have people, instead of wigging out on somebody or something, go for a Smoke instead? Is it 'right'?. No, I'd say. But, in many cases, the lesser of two evils.

Sadly, for all we hear about Alcohol abuse there is a huge population of people who drink occasionally, and they are fine, and dont harm themselves, or anyone else. We dont hear about them. Sadly, 'Pot Smoking' is still equated as some Heinous, Fiendish deed by America, or at least the powers that be.

I watched my dad go from handsome to ET via Chemo. Fuck anyone who would deny Shibby to a dying person. Fuck them in the ass and break off the dildo and beat them to death with the stub. OK, thts stealing Carlin, but do it.

50 years of research on pot and we have a conclusion: Smoking Pot gets you High. Theres more, but in the big picture, thats really all it is. I've smoked stuff that was called Crippler and fucking A if I wasnt stoned out of my mind. But if shit ever got real, I can snap out of 'stoned'. I cant snap out of halfway down the label on the Jack bottle.

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Getting back to the Afghani thing; if I were an Afghan, and had land, and mouths to feed, what do ya think I'd be growing? Kids gotta eat.

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Legalization? No. Fuck I'll take

-Decrim some stuff like pot for adult use; medicinal

-Chuck the fucking Min Mandatories and 3 Strikes laws that have people serving Life Without the Possibility of Parole in America for the crime of selling Pot. Now.

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I have absolutely NO memory whatsoever of making this thread. Scary.


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I'm am in full support of legalizing all drugs. If you want to do that to your own body, its your choice.

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Oh come on now, who really cares if they grow heroin?

[Mike Teacher]

I'm am in full support of legalizing all drugs. If you want to do that to your own body, its your choice.


Sadly, the lawbook shelves groan with laws telling us exactly what we can and cant do with/to our bodies.



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