RnF Show Speculation

[EQ]

I am all for getting RnF ( and OnA ) back on NYC radio ( satellite or not ).

However, unless the confirmation comes directly from Ron and Fez, it's simply frustrating to read so many rumors ( the constant speculation bothers THEM too ).


I've read the threads and try to partcipate in the many 'SAVE RnF campaigns'. Heckler, Steels, and so many others have done GREAT work so they are kept in the news; so that we can hear them, etc.



Just curious. How does anyone else feel about this?


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[Heavy]

If elected, I will bring Ron and Fez back to New York and I will abolish the FCC, thus bringing the Opie and Anthony program back as well!

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Pretty much like the others Quinn... never give up hope but it still looks pretty dim.

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[furie]

I'm a little disheartened, but then I look at the poor slobs in Tampa and I suddenly feel better about our situation.

I actually try to stay out of the "Bring R&F back to NY" forum. I'm waiting to hear it from them directly.


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[jafter]

I am staying very optimistic for the show. The ratings are improving, syndication is inevitable, and the boys would love to return to NY radio. I am not saying it will be over night but good things will happen.

I think very good news will happen today and in the very near future. I don't want to say anything out of school. I will know something at 11am.


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[jafter]

Well nothing yet today. The live 105 site has been updated and my hunch was fucked. It has been changed to look like 1067.

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[TheMojoPin]

Like Jafter said, the situation is only improving here in DC. The ratings are going up, WJFK historically stands by its shows for the long haul and is very good at getting its shows syndicated. Hopefully when that happens they'll be able to find a station to take them in New York.

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[curtoid]

Personally...I love the speculation!

Well nothing yet today. The live 105 site has been updated and my hunch was fucked. It has been changed to look like 1067.

Scuttle from Baltimore has the mid-day show sliding out the door - the guys doing "Out To Lunch" have been told March is the deadline for thiings to improve, so (not that I wish anyone out of a job, except Lykess and O'Reilly) maybe Infinity will do something bold in 4 months like clear R&F in mid-days 11-3pm in two cities at once.

Either things move like a glacier, and take forever to develop, or they are like summer rain showers (or traffic jams on the DC beltway) and suddenly happen out of no-where - it would not surprise me if a station in NY suddenly, under everyone's radar, turns the switch and brings the boys back there.

[KOP]

This message was edited by KOP on 12-1-03 @ 12:22 PM

[A.J.]

I think it'll be baby steps: syndication to some of the markets that Don and Mike are in -- perhaps local ones like "Balmer" and Ocean City to start, then up to PA and Buffalo.

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[curtoid]

I just did a quick look at the Infinity site, and it is tough - most of the talk stations they own in the bigger markets are either sports or right wing political.

The smaller markets seem to have a degree if freedom to give shows a chance that more competetive/more pressure for ratings areas don't have - if it's not a hit within a year in Philly, Boston, Chicago, LA or NY, then it's out of there.

I know Stern has clearance on some non-Infinity stations around the country. Maybe his model is the map to use (making individual deals, station by station), instead of Don and Mike or the others who just turn the keys over to Westwood One, and find out when they are a station when they're on it.

If they can find stations in cities/areas that have heard of Ron and Fez, then a good chunk of the battle is won - the recognition. So, not just NY or Florida, but any of the cities O&A were on, and the ones D&M reach now.

HERE'S the Infinity owned station that (http://www.sportsradio1010.com/1010/web/) they should be on in Tampa! Yeah, it's a sports talk format, but it is the flagship station for The Bucs, and D&M use to be on the air there, so they are use to non-sports talk. AND they have an opening for a morning show!

I told you I love the speculating! I should be R&F's agent!

[KOP]

This message was edited by KOP on 12-1-03 @ 1:16 PM

[SatCam]

I try to remain optomistic, but I'm pretty sure that Ron and Fez cannot win to the nationally sindicated Infinity shows.

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[jafter]

I try to remain optomistic, but I'm pretty sure that Ron and Fez cannot win to the nationally sindicated Infinity shows.


Why not? Their show is funnier than Howards or Don and Mikes, yes Howard is a household name and Ron and Fez could ride the wave of a bundle job if Infinity played their cards right. Howard in the Morning, Don and Mike in the afternoons and Ron and Fez middays. It would sell.

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[SatCam]

That's true. I dont want them to go to middays, but I know that'll be the best time for them. I guess it would kind of be like O&A and R&F back-to-back. Of course I know Douchy McHoward Stern isnt going to bumper them (not that I'm expecting him to).

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Here's how I feel. I'm saying this from a "realist" perspective, meaning that I have a good grip on how the radio business works among other things.

I don't talk to R&F on a regular basis. I'm doing this simply from a neutral business observation.

I am angry beyond all belief at people who mock Infinity and paint them as the anti-Christ. I'm a firm believer that the letter campaign did work - you saved Ron and Fez's jobs - but they are in DC.

They went from Market 1 with a great lead-in to being on a pariah of a radio station to another Top-10 market with a great lead-in. Say what you want about Don and Mike, but in DC, they are Gods.

If you look at the facts, Infinity went out of its way to accomodate Ron and Fez. They could have cut ties with them, as they did with Ferrall and O&A and others, but they recognized them as a valuable, funny property and did what they could to help them - not just leave them hanging in the wind.

If you are familiar with how employment in the radio business works, what happened with R&F almost NEVER happens. Ever.

I am also angry that people cannot accept the fact that Hot Talk won't return to New York anytime soon. There is no strongly viable outlet that can bring back the Ron and Fez show in the form it held at WNEW.

WNEW will not return to Hot Talk. Mel Karmazin himself held WNEW's talk format and the O&A debacle personally responsible for losing the company money. This means that Infinity won't change any station back to Hot Talk, WNEW or otherwise.

The Christmas format is succeeding, which means that the AC format may work on the new 102.7.

From all the speculation, it lools like it's a pretty much a done deal that O&A are going to Sirius.

Please don't ask me how I know, or if I'm speculating out of my ass. All the pieces of the puzzle are there. It's like connecting the dots.

I'm not SPECULATING about Ron and Fez's future. I'm not sayin Ron and Fez should leave broadcast radio. What I'm saying is, over and over again, that if you want to hear Ron and Fez in NYC, the best solution is a simulcast between WJFK and Sirius.

Is it possible? I don't know. Agents, program directors, head honchos, and legalese gets involved. It's an alternative, because simple business practices doesn't show a possibility of R&F coming back to NYC any time soon on broadcast radio.

But the FIRST STEP is letting *SIRIUS* know there is an audience for Ron and Fez. It doesn't hurt. Why would infinity care?


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[SatCam]

Say what you want about Don and Mike, but in DC, they are Gods.

There is a huge Don and Mike fan base, but Ron and Fez don't really interact with D&M and vise versa, and they don't exactly share the same fanbase. I'd compare Don and Mike more to El Jefe's show.

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[curtoid]

There is a huge Don and Mike fan base, but Ron and Fez don't really interact with D&M and vise versa, and they don't exactly share the same fanbase. I'd compare Don and Mike more to El Jefe's show.

I think you'd be surprised. Just taking a cursory look at Don and Mike message boards or the newsgroups you see a lot of positive feedback for Ron and Fez, at least from people in Washington who hear both shows. And I remember at the Caddyshack screening, many of the DC folks were happy to talk with Rob from D&M.

D&M realize that R&F doing well on JFK will be good for them too - they aren't threatened, because they don't compete. I don't think the two shows need to do much (if any) cross over. They just need not to piss on each other. While it might be good radio for the moment, it doesn't make a damn bit of sense for shows to carry over any off show animosity to the air.

Ultimately, fans of D&M who are tire of them playing for the negative reactions might be turned onto Ron and Fez, who treat their listeners very differently from Don and Mike, and even Stern.

Ron and Fez's fan base cuts very, very deep - young and old; male and female. People know they aren't pandering and aren't phoney, and that's appealing to everyone - even those often despised Don and Mike fans.

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If elected, I will bring Ron and Fez back to New York and I will abolish the FCC, thus bringing the Opie and Anthony program back as well!

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[SatCam]

I think I take the standpoint I do because no one can top O&A.

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[Steels]

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[Snoogans]

i still cant see O & A on satelite radio. a huge part of the fun of that show was finding ways to say what you couldnt, which dissapears on satelite. even as "dont touch" as O & A may be, any radio guy knows the money they will generate and i have a feeling some companies that said they wouldnt hire them actually would when the time came to it. it would kill to hear them just say cunt and everything, i think the lack of restriction would take alot of the fun and excitement out of it, even for them

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[The Chairman]

[/size]I'm saying this from a "realist" perspective

Much as I prefer the surreal, Tenbat's pragmatic take on this is on target. It's business.

That being said, enough of Infinity's heuristic approach to programming.

t's simply frustrating to read so many rumors

Quinn, your frustration is a result of the paradox presented as a result of speculating as if there is a true/false statement approach.

We cannot categorize Infinity as "true/false" but as "indeterminable".

G”del makes it clearer: the truth value of some statements is indeterminable.



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[Quinn]

It seems like Sirius could be a reality for O&A since so many former WNEW employees are there. But that could mean many things...

Ideally, I'd like to see Sirius work out syndication deals with various talk shows that would fit into that format, such as Infinity's Ron and Fez. O&A could sign a deal with Clear Channel, perhaps on 104.3 or even better, if CC swapped one of their HOT AC or R&B stations like 105.1 into a WXRK type of station (with a larger plylist of course).

As an optimist, I'd like to think that some radio corporation would see the lack of an FM talk station in NY and start one up. Never in a million years would that happen (be great if Greater Media did...they'd have stations in Philly, NY, 2 in NJ, Detroit...) but I can dream.

Bring back Ron and Fez...because I'm at the point where I'll have to stream the show through my cell phone so that I can make it mobile, and that's just expensive.

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[bitemyass]

As an optimist, I'd like to think that some radio corporation would see the lack of an FM talk station in NY and start one up. Never in a million years would that happen (be great if Greater Media did...they'd have stations in Philly, NY, 2 in NJ, Detroit...) but I can dream.

As a realist, I see how radio "executives" have dealt with 102.7. SuperStar Eddie would be better at running things.

I'm just happy there's Syndication Underground now. Years ago if a radio show went off the air, you were SOL. Now I can still hear Ron and Fez every day.

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[curtoid]

Like I said, I will write Jeremy and the gang and make mention of R&F as an option - anything for them to get greater exposure, and get them back to all of the fans that miss them.

However, I am still of the mind set that Infinity will never, ever, ever, share talent with another company. Now...if Infinity/Viacom bought Sirius, or there was some some sort of deal brokered.

I do like the idea, though, and hope that someone doesn't have their head up their ass and works it out.

This, actually, should be the road Infinity takes as an option to syndication for TONS of other shows. You have to think that there are hundreds of local shows out there that would love to go national - if they work on a partnerships where the local talent stays local, however it's syndicated over the satellite, then they can stay true to their home base, but it even can open up more local markets, as stations no longer feel they have to compete with nationally syndicated programs.

Wow! I really, really like that idea.

Let R&F be their model! Let them be their canaries in a cole mine!

Off to rewrite the letters...

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[SatCam]

SuperStar Eddie would be better at running things.

I'd hit it.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

The problem with a "new" station (i.e. Clear Channel or Greater Media coming in with a new station on a new frequency) is that start-up costs for a station in NYC is enormous. That's why there hasn't been any new high-powered stations for a long, long time.

It's not just the equipment and the office space, it's also the massive amount of money you have to pay the FCC for a start-up license, etc.

It's alot easier to create stations out on Long Island, etc because it's cheaper, but the range isn't as great.

As a realist, I see how radio "executives" have dealt with 102.7. SuperStar Eddie would be better at running things.

So you'd rather have Elmo and Big Bird songs all day? Eddie can't remember to take out the trash, you think he could hit a post or remember a stop set?

I'm so sick and tired of people blaming the "executives" for the failure of WNEW.

WNEW failed for the following...

You can't center a successful radio station around one anchor show. You need strong mornings, and strong afternoons. That's why WYSP in Philly was KILLING in the ratings. They had Howard in the morning, and O&A in the afternoons.

The problem is, and there's been a bunch of variations on this story, but there was a major clash of TALENT ego - NOT executives. Do you really think that NOBODY at infinity thought of the idea to put Howard on in the mornings at K-Rock and/or WNEW, and vice versa for O&A? Perhaps amalgamating WNEW and K-Rock into a model based on WYSP? Howard Mornings, O&A afternoons, R&F nights, alt-rock the rest of the time?

We don't know. Perhaps plans were in the works.
Maybe Howard stood in the way. Maybe Kingston did. Maybe Opie had issue with it. Maybe Ken Stevens was convinced he could make WNEW work like JFK did.


So WNEW trudged along, with a bad morning show (I refer to the multiple Sports Guys... Ferrall wasn't there long enough to make an impact), Radio Chick/Don & Mike, O&A, and Ron and Fez.

We all know how the Chick and Don and Mike didn't do much to help WNEW. the only thing there was O&A and R&F, hence the terms "Island" and "Reef".

So Sex for Sam III happened, and the station imploded. Ferrall is fired. Ron and Fez are saved by you, and go to DC.

And for what it's worth, "Arbitron Ratings" are the most inaccurate measuring tool known to man. Don't EVEN get me started.

Now, back to Sirius...

Sirius, as we all know, is a distant #2 to XM. Sirius only has a fifth of the subscribers XM has. But since the pace has been slow and steady, and Sirius KNOWS they have the better technology, perhaps they are waiting for the proper time.

Perhaps Sirius sees O&A as their own personal messiah... the Mark Messier... the Austin vs. McMahon... etc. etc.

Radio syndication is tricky. KOP and Unknown PD know more about it than I do. D&M are paid by Infinity, yet syndicated by Westwood 1, a completely different company.

The other part of this equation, that is still an unknown, is Ron and Fez's contract.

When does it expire? What options do they have? Can they ask for a limited syndication deal, like O&A did, or even ask for a Sirius simulcast option? Don't forget, O&A were deadset against satellite radio back in the day. Of course, since 2 1/2 years has passed, feelings have probably changed.

I'd like to know how Bubba the Love Sponge's deal works. I'm going to do some investigating into this matter on some various radio message boards, and I'll check back with you all.



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Tenbats, you are not right, you are not wrong, you are speculating. Please stop harrassing people who have opposing viewpoints. I've been getting complaints about how you are treating people on this topic.

You have a Sirius thread, feel free to post what you want to post about Sirius in that thread.

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