cinci cops

[carcass]

I think it's a shame this guy died....but, he was on coke, pcp, meth?....am I getting that right....and he resists arrest...[ 400lb o angry black dude]..what are they supposed to do..blow kisses?


this guy is as guilty in his death as anything

he woulda posted bail and been free the next day

but he fought and lost....


there ought to be a national law that if you resist, they can use deadly force...

not like they shot the guy



flame away

face down in the gutter
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thou his clothes are soiled and black
he's a big strong man , w/ a childs mind
dont you take his booze away

[SatCam]

I never saw the police video, but from what I heard he deserved most of what he got. It's unfortunate that he died, but if the cops were in danger, they had every right to disable this guy.

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[hockeyboy77]

where can i find this video? I really want to see if the cops are guiltly and how f'ed up this guy is.

[ChrisTheCop]

Thankfully, this was all done in front of a police video camera, AND most news organizations are playing it in it's ENTIRETY (unlike the Rodney King video). It's completely obvious that this guy was resisting, AND that as soon as there were enough cops on scene to hold him down and cuff him, the use of batons stopped. I'm actually curious as to why it's even a story. As for where you can find it online, Id guess cnn.com , otherwise just watch em at the top of the hour, they play it alot.

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[carcass]

It's a story cause a black man was breaking the law, the law resopnded and it was taped...racial....always a story in todays media...

not that it matters....wonder if this guy had a record?

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he's a big strong man , w/ a childs mind
dont you take his booze away

[Riley]

Call me crazy, call me conservative. People don't respect authority. If a cop says stop, you stop. The officers will be torn apart for this. It's just wrong.

[Yerdaddy]

The whole time he was singing "Can't Get Enough of Your Club, Babe"

Credibility tip: If you're going to complain about race becomming an issue in something, don't be the first one to bring it up.

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[FUNKMAN]

i saw the video and it was amazing how i saw some solid blows to his head with the nightstick and it was like the nightstick was made of rubber. it had 'absolutely' no affect. either the cops have some weak swings or they need to carry aluminum bats...

it would be such a good thing if they could find a tranquilizer that's safe. anesthesia knocks your ass out in ten seconds when you go for surgery and it could really make the policeman's job alot easier.

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[TheMojoPin]

It's a story cause a black man was breaking the law, the law resopnded and it was taped...racial....always a story in todays media...

Yeah, because if they caught a white guy on tape getting his ass kicked by cops and then he DIED, it sure wouldn't be news, nosiree...someone dying violently on camera like that is news, period.

But that said, I saw the tape, and the guy was clearly juiced to the gills. As someone said, he was ordered to stay down plenty of times to stay down before the cops laid into him, and he simply would NOT. And he was shrugging off those hits like they were nothing. The cops reacted as they were trained to do. It's unfortunate the guy died, but the situation dictated that the cops had to act as they did for their own safety, and anyone else around.

there ought to be a national law that if you resist, they can use deadly force...

But thankfully, our country's not THAT insane.

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[DJEvelEd]

The cops STARTED with batons(deadly force) and finished with batons (deadly force) with some mace in the middle. Bad procedure. What was he doing that was so bad to deserve death? Dancing at White Castle is a crime?

I say let the black men dance!!!

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[SuperClerk]

Coroners report (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031204/ap_on_re_us/died_in_custody&cid=519&ncid=716)

This drugged out lowlife got exactly what he deserved. If you swing at a cop like the way he did, you suffer the consequences.

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[Reggie]

I really can't think of anything in life that some one can do that deserves to be murdered/ killed over.

Taking someone elses life no mater how big, fat, black, or drugged out is extreme.

Ask yourself honestly why someone deserves to die, then ask yourself why are you so angry, why cant you find peace in yourself.

[TheMojoPin]

It's not that he DESERVED to die, it's that he HAPPENED to die, which is unfortunate. Watch the film. The guy is NOT going down. Hw are the cops supposed to know when to stop when their hits are seemingly just bouncing off of the guy?

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[DJEvelEd]

It's not that he DESERVED to die, it's that he HAPPENED to die, which is unfortunate. Watch the film. The guy is NOT going down. How are the cops supposed to know when to stop when their hits are seemingly just bouncing off of the guy?
They shouldn't have used "deadly force". What if it was some drunk from YOUR family they killed? These killers had it in for the White Castle Dancer for a long time.









It's "unfortunate" if it's a poor black man, it's an outrage only if it's a rich white guy. It's rascism!

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[Doctor Manhattan]

I'm actually curious as to why it's even a story


I think if it was a 400 pound white, asian or latino man high on some drug, it would still be a big story.

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[zoom2457]

The White Castle employees called the police because this guy was causing a disturbance. It's their property, and their call.

The guy was about 3 times the size of the officers. He kept coming at the officers no matter how many times they hit him or yelled for him to stop.

What would you want the cops to do??? Go away?? Come back when he's not as high???

BTW, a guy that big on PCP is pretty much unstoppable. A small skinny guy on PCP is also pretty much unstoppable.

Also, why does this guy not have to take responsibility for his actions. Those actions being taking all those drugs in the first place. Not listening to the cops when they said to stop. Trying to hit the police officers.

God bless every single police officer for protecting us against assholes who get high and violent.

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[DJEvelEd]

OK, Now I HOPE someone here has a family member who dies from a police beating just to see what hippocrates you all are. Rascists!

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[high fly]

I haven't seen the video, but during last night's discussion, not one of the cops or cop instructors who called in mentioned the "swarm technique."

" and they ask me why I drink"

[Yerdaddy]

They shouldn't have used "deadly force". What if it was some drunk from YOUR family they killed? These killers had it in for the White Castle Dancer for a long time.




It's "unfortunate" if it's a poor black man, it's an outrage only if it's a rich white guy. It's rascism!
Come on. There's too much to this case to make these decision at this point. The difference between this and the Rodney King tape is that in this tape you see the officers jumping on the guy's back and trying to to wrestle him to the ground as well as using their clubs. That's a tactic that is safer for the suspect but more dangerous for the officers. They were not surrounding the guy and just delivering a beating like they were doing in the LAPD tape. There also aren't any racist recordings like the "Gorillas in the Mist" recordings in LA. This guy was clearly fighting the officers, throwing punches and grabbing the clubs, something you don't see in the Rodney King tape. The drugs in his system, especially PCP, makes him a danger to the public, and his size and heart problems made the threshold of "deadly force" far lower than normal. The coroner termed it a homicide because that is the technical classification for the physical cause of death. The judgement of whether it was a justifiable homicide is made by other actors, and he made that perfectly clear. I don't see anything in the case at this point that indicates police misconduct or racism.

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[high fly]

Fuckin' public dancers. Kill-em all, I say...

" and they ask me why I drink"

[DJEvelEd]

There apparantly was a history between the officers and the White Castle Dancer, which we really haven't heard about yet, but I'm sure we will. This may have been the culmination of YEARS of police abuse/disrespect towards him. It's possible that he was being singled out because of his history of lawsuits against the city.

The drugs in his system, especially PCP, makes him a danger to the public,

As dangerous as a killer-cop with a baton?



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[high fly]

If we don't kill-em, the terrorists will think we've gone soft on public dancing.

Now that would be a fine kettle of fish!




" and they ask me why I drink"

[Justice4all]

ok....the fact is this 400 lbs. goriila was high on Coke and PCP. that combo would make him immune to almost every form of pain. If they SHOT him 20 times he still would not feel it. He was strong as an ox, high on some of the strongest drugs out there and you could see how the officers NEEDED to use that force.
NO he did not deserve to die for just resisting arrest. but if his actions endangered the lives of those officers I say he goes..they stay.
Besides..he had a heart condition and even though he got a hearty beating let's face it...being on coke and Angel Dust and having a heart condition would kill him anyway. The cops just quickened the pace to what was going to happen in another year at most.

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[high fly]

What if they just sat there and waited for him to get tired and go home?

" and they ask me why I drink"

[ChrisTheCop]

DjEveled seems to be the only "anti cinci cop" voicer here, and I'm assuming it's jokingly so. However, I want to make one thing perfectly clear: Cops are not out there to play fair with you. Their main objective is to go home to their families at the end of the day. If you threaten that goal, you will be handled as necessary. Do not blame them for your actions.

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I really can't think of anything in life that some one can do that deserves to be murdered/ killed over.

Yeah, John Wayne Gacy got a bum rap.

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They shouldn't have used "deadly force". What if it was some drunk from YOUR family they killed? These killers had it in for the White Castle Dancer for a long time.

Is this some sort of joke? A little bit of shock posting?

The cops used REASONABLE force to subdue the man.

Unfortunately, do entirely to the deceased's own lifestyle, he didn't survive the beating. You know why he didn't survive the beating? Because morbid obesity + poor lifestyle (he was a White Castle fan, folks) + strung out on coke & PCP = great recipe for heart attack. He brought it on himself.

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[SuperClerk]

The dancer's family attorney and aunt were on the news this morning saying what a wonderful and jolly guy he was. Yeah, maybe a little too jolly.

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[high fly]

So why couldn't the cops just sit there and watch the guy dance until he got tired and went on home?

" and they ask me why I drink"

[Mike Teacher]

Well from the empirical standpoint, forgetting everything else for a moment you have a person who is:

-Markedly if not Morbidly Obese.

-Hypertensive [hi BP]

-Enlarged Heart [see below]

-PCP [stimulant]

-Cocaine [stimulant]

-Methamphetamine [stimulant][EDIT: just re-watched coroner, wasnt mentioned]

and I believe some cigarettes dipped in Methanol. Please correct me on any of the above; I saw the report once.

What you have is a heart that, as Ron correctly said, is perhaps 4 minutes of cardio-type workout away from death.

The Enlarged heart is Most Dangerous. The pericardium around the heart doesn't give that much, meaning the heart enlarges and gets squeezed. It rubs against the pericardium, which, like anything that gets irritated, swells, and fills with more fluid, pressing back. It's a heart that can just pump enough blood to keep this guy alive. It's being squeezed, 24/7.

Stimulants + the adrenaline alone demand more blood to the body, but the enlarged heart cant pump enough blood [stroke volume; the amount of blood output per heartbeat] to the lungs, so the body starts losing O2, and sends signals to the heart to speed up and send more blood, and this vicious cycle is essentially what congestive heart failure is. A bad QRS complex becomes Dysrhythmic, then Vtac, Vfib, and flatline.

My father was in Hospital for a procedure called a Pericardial Window the night he died. The Edema [swelling] from the cancer and chemo simply fill the pericardium up with fluid, and it chokes the heart. The operation was to open the pericardium to let the heart 'breathe'. Dad decided to fly away instead; which is fine, since he told the nurse what was about to happen a few hours before.

So, in effect; there is a case that this man would have died irrespective of the degree to which he was beaten. And make no mistake, he was beaten good.

The above is not meant to make a judgement either way. My pitifully small experience with things cardio ends there. It's a horrific thing to see anyone beaten like that; and I don't know where I am on this one, but I hope to shed some light on what a person's heart in that situation might, repeat might, have gone through.



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[high fly]

Maybe he was just a bad dancer...

" and they ask me why I drink"

[Se7en]

Remember, HE swung at the cops first.

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[high fly]

A smart cop woulda caught his arm and doe-see-doed.

" and they ask me why I drink"

[Yerdaddy]

As dangerous as a killer-cop with a baton?
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They didn't gun him down like Wyatt Earp. You're way out in left field here.

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[TheMojoPin]

They shouldn't have used "deadly force". What if it was some drunk from YOUR family they killed?

First of all, they guy wasn't just "drunk." If that were the case, he would have been hauled off to jail and this wouldn't be an issue of conversation. And secondly, why would I cut some slack to a family member who did what this guy did? The cops gave this guy PLENTY of chances to knock it off, surrender or go down. He didn't, and he kept attacking them. Like I said, how are these guys supposed to know when to stop if he's not responding to the hits they've already given him? It's sad the suspect ended up dead, but the tape clearly shows the cops were NOT out to just stomp on the guy.

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click here to see the video! (http://www.wcpo.com/cgi-bin/vembed.pl?vurl=http://real.scripps.com:8480/ramgen/cincinowrs/2003/12/01_whitecastle_rawcruiser.rm&title=9News%2520Story&banner=wcpocom)

The only crime is that the fat fuck was eating at White Castle. How many did he eat? 50?
He would be alive today if he opted for a salad instead. Sad.

[high fly]

Hey man, them burgers at White Castle are killer!

" and they ask me why I drink"

[DJEvelEd]

I just think the cops did more damage to society than Nathaniel the White Castle Dancer did. All lives are important. I believe "Every Sperm Is Sacred" even if said sperm grows up to be a large black drug fiend. I think more information will be revealed about the past relationship between the cops and Nathaniel









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Let's just make sure that White Castle doesn't become the bad guy here.

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[Furtherman]

This will just go down as another incident no one will agree on.

I've seen the tape and I believe the cops were justified in what they did. Previous relationship or not, you swing at a cop, they will swing back - and rightly so.

It was unfortunate he died. But it was just a matter of circumstances.

I think it is even more unfortunate that racism will be brought into this. And the african american ministers of Ohio have already issued a complaint. It doesn't matter what color he was. You disobey a police officer, you have to realize there will be consequences. Nathaniel Jones was drugged up really good. The police did what they had to do.

If anyone should say that the police targeted this man, let me ask you this. If a man, of any race, of this size was dancing outside your house or business - what would you do? I'd bet a dollar you wouldn't start applauding and throwing quarters.

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[high fly]

I can't get that song, "Nathan Jones" by Diana Ross out of my head, now.


"...Nathan Jones, you've been gone so long..."




" and they ask me why I drink"

[DarkHippie]

Nathaniel Jones was drugged up really good

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[Gaia]

"Their main objective is to go home to their families at the end of the day. If you threaten that goal, you will be handled as necessary. Do not blame them for your actions."

Thank you.

Also, it doesn't matter what the past relationship was...the fact is that at that moment in time he wasn't listening to what officers were instructing him to do...that's the bottom line.

What if you had a loved one that was an officer? What if you saw your loved one being threatened by this same criminal? I am sure you would feel that what they did was necessary at that moment in time.
What if you were one of the officers? Instinct and training would kick in....that whole life preservation thing. I am sure you wouldn't just sit there.

No one deserves to die, but they do however need to make the right choices, and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for them as well...this person made all the wrong ones at that particular moment in time.
Being a cop is one of the hardest jobs in the world.
So many people sit there and say " oh well it's because I'm a minority...blah blah".
I do not deny racial profiling or anything of that nature exists, but I am saying I'm a minority as well. I have NEVER had any problems, Maybe its because I understand the true nature of there work, and maybe its because I'm happy when I see a police officer, because I know if I walk around the corner, and some drugged out weirdo or pervert tries to take me in the bushes and rape me, that man in uniform is the only one who's going to want to help me. The police are there to protect all people living in the area they patrol, no matter who it is from, or HOW they protect you.
If you have a daughter, and she's being assaulted by a person, would you want the cops to stop him from harming your daughter by saying "Please sir, unhand that girl, We want to do this peacefully" FUCK THAT. If it was your daughter you would want them to do what they had to in order to stop it.

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[high fly]

What if you saw your loved one being threatened by this same criminal?


What if you saw your loved one being danced at by this same criminal?

" and they ask me why I drink"

[CaptClown]

What if you saw your loved one being danced at by this same criminal?
If he was high as a kite and wouldn't leave my daughter after he was asked the first time, then it is on said criminal. The dog will have barked, the gun was heard being cocked, the warning shot has been fired across the bow.

Does anyone remember what happened to Len Bias and how he died?

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[Yerdaddy]

Does anyone remember what happened to Len Bias and how he died?

Clearly you're making a Bias argument here.

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[TheMojoPin]

I just think the cops did more damage to society than Nathaniel the White Castle Dancer did. All lives are important.

You keep talking like the cops killed him on purpose. Have you actually watched the ENTIRE tape? The cops made a mistake. A tragic, tragic mistake. But it's clear that they weren't trying to kill him at all except for those that WANT to believe it.

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[FUNKMAN]

Hey man, them burgers at White Castle are killer!


i guess the old nickname was true, they used to call White Castle the 'murder burger'...

there is no doubt in my mind if it was a white dude they would've bought him lunch (NO I'm kidding)
They would've beat on him just the same.

i'd still like to see some type of tranquilizer or anesthetic used and that puppy would be sleeping like a puppy... then you can really beat him
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[monsterone]

i guess the old nickname was true, they used to call White Castle the 'murder burger'...



fucking pussy vegans thinking they can just play off their stupid "murder king?" get some originality or some ryhme scheme dicks.

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[CaptClown]

Clearly you're making a Bias argument here.

Don't I always? PG Policce killed a guy accidentally about 1 or 2 years ago that was on a bad PCP trip and it took about six to do it.

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[Furtherman]

All the more reason to follow a simple rule.

If you are going to do drugs, STAY HOME.

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[Furtherman]

edit: Drugs and double posting don't mix.

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[CaptClown]

The guy PG Police killed was at home. His mom had to call the cops on him because he was running around outside the house butterball ass naked and ranting like a lunatic.

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[high fly]

Naked people who raise their voice should die.
Every fuckin' one of them.
They're ruining our country.

" and they ask me why I drink"

[DarkHippie]

I understand why its causing such a fuss. I just read on a website (i'll pos tthe link soon) that 15 blacks have been shot dead by cops in the past 5 years.

That doesn't sound like much to us, but in the midwest, it's a shitload.

edit:
The basics of the situation (http://www.cincyboycott.org/background.html)

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[TheMojoPin]

I understand why its causing such a fuss. I just read on a website (i'll pos tthe link soon) that 15 blacks have been shot dead by cops in the past 5 years.

Wow, that would totally kill the mood if the cops had totally shot and killed the guy in the White Castle parking lot. Totally.

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[CaptClown]

Naked people who raise their voice should die.
Every fuckin' one of them.
They're ruining our country.

It's not that he deserved to die but the crack and PCP overstimulated him to the point that even a chokehold can turn deadly. What can you do with someone on a drug that will in effect turn a cocker spaniel into a hyper pitbull on overdrive in a drop of a hat? PCP can turn a person into a Psychotic juggernaut rage in a heartbeat.

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[monsterone]

What can you do with someone on a drug that will in effect turn a cocker spaniel into a hyper pitbull on overdrive in a drop of a hat? PCP can turn a person into a Psychotic juggernaut rage in a heartbeat.





beyond true. it dog fighting and cock fighting matches, the animals are pumped full of pcp for 1. it's an anaesthetic and 2. it's has quality of a stimulant/ euphoric/ indestructible mindset.

at the moment, he was hopping up and the consequental beatings he received on the groung was to get is hands behind his back.

and once that dust wears off, your body catches up to you. he died cuz he got his ass beatm but he wouldn't have gotten his ass beat if he wasn't dusted.

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[high fly]

...a drug that will in effect turn a cocker spaniel into a pit bull...

My generation was the first to do the PCP in large numbers. No doubt it's certainly a stupid thing to do, I think we all agree with that one.
If the above quote is true, there would be hundreds of thousands of cases like the one in Cinci.

If one goes back through the history of drug prohibition, one will find the same thing said about whatever drug is in disfavor at the time.
If you go back to the 30s, you can find stories of how "drug crazed Mexicans on marijuanna" rape white women and have super strength from the drug.
Such stories come complete with quotes from cops about how they'd empty their revolvers into the guy, and yet he'd "keep on coming", because of the weed he'd been smoking.

What the cops SHOULD have done is form a conga line and danced around the guy, eventually getting him to join in and then slyly moving off to where he couldn't hurt anybody...

" and they ask me why I drink"

[DarkHippie]

The point is, Cinci has been ready to explode for some time now. Though this death may be explainable and unfortunate, it's enough of a match to light the town up (like 2 years ago).

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[high fly]

But how about my conga line idea?

" and they ask me why I drink"

[CaptClown]

One thing everyone is seeming to forget, or just plain ignore, is that he attacked the cops. They didn't attack him. HE attacked them. If you look at the autopsy all the bruising was along his right leg from his butt to his knee. If they had been trying to kill him there would have been bruising all over his body, unless one or all of them knew how do perform the death touch. In this case the Cinncinati Police aren't at fault.

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[DJEvelEd]

What the cops SHOULD have done is form a conga line and danced around the guy, eventually getting him to join in and then slyly moving off to where he couldn't hurt anybody...

Too fucking funny...





The truth will come out about the past harrassment of Nate by the Cinncinnati police. I have a feeling that the cop was a rascist and had that punch coming for some time. I'm not saying it's right to punch the cop, or even mouth off to him, but the cop may have instigated this whole thing by his past attitude/actions towards Nate and his family/friends. I also heard that Nate had previous lawsuits against the city. Hmmmmmmm

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This message was edited by DJEvelEd on 12-6-03 @ 8:05 PM

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Ok, now I'm starting to think djeveled is serious. If youre joking, I'm sorry, but here goes:
If you continue to have dealings with the police against your will, odds are, youre in the wrong way too much. BUT, lets just say, youre right. And there was an evil..sorry, evEl cop constantly harrassing good ole "Nate", A) there are way too many other ways to get the cop off your back/in trouble/fired/whatever in place B)unless you are saying that this cop also forced him to bulk up to an unhealthy 300 or so pounds, ,take an excessive amount of drugs, cause a disturbance large enough for a third party (evel cop didnt work at white castle in your world did he?) to call the cops, get lucky enough to have THE cop that hates him show up and get his face in his fist's way, and (yippy) "cause" his death, you have no case. If it's a rule in your world that just because a criminal deals with cops alot, then the cops are obviously gonna kill him, youre wrong. Now that I'm done ranting, I realize you HAVE to be joking. But, hey...look! No typos!!! yay.

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What the cops SHOULD have done is form a conga line and danced around the guy, eventually getting him to join in and then slyly moving off to where he couldn't hurt anybody...


That's what the San Francisco PD does!!!!

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The truth will come out about the past harrassment of Nate by the Cinncinnati police. I have a feeling that the cop was a rascist and had that punch coming for some time. I'm not saying it's right to punch the cop, or even mouth off to him, but the cop may have instigated this whole thing by his past attitude/actions towards Nate and his family/friends. I also heard that Nate had previous lawsuits against the city. Hmmmmmmm

Holy sweet Jesus.

My one prayer: should by some cruel twist of fate you get called for jury duty to a case involving the prosecution of a police officer on a charge of excessive force or homicide, I hope to god the defense attorney is at least halfway decent and kicks your ass out of the court on peremptory challenge.

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[DJEvelEd]

There are MANY innocent black people being harassed and put in jail by some rascist police. Especially in Cincinnati.

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[CaptClown]

There are MANY innocent black people being harassed and put in jail by some rascist police. Especially in Cincinnati.

No body disputes that. What is being disputed is that in this particular case it isn't true. He was over-weight. He took the cocaine, which if you have any type of heart problem will exacerbate it. He took the PCP which can make you psychotic. He made such an ass out of himself that the paramedics and EMTs had to call the police to restrain him. He started the fight with police when they tried to calm him down.

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This message was edited by CaptClown on 12-7-03 @ 8:23 AM

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