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Reephdweller

12-08-2003, 04:31 PM

Al Gore will announce that he is endorsing Howard Dean for the democratic presidential nom. I think if he gets it that Bush will be a shoe-in for re-election.

Gore to Endorse Howard Dean, Sources Say
By RON FOURNIER

(AP) Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean speaks at a news conference after receiving New York...

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) - Former Vice President Al Gore intends to endorse Howard Dean for the Democratic presidential nomination, a dramatic move that could cement Dean's position in the fight for the party's nod.

Gore, who lost to President Bush in the disputed 2000 election, has agreed to endorse Dean in Harlem in New York City on Tuesday and then travel with the former Vermont governor to Iowa, sight of the Jan. 19 caucuses which kickoff the nominating process, said a Democratic source close to Gore.

The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Dean will return from Iowa in time for Tuesday night's Democratic debate in New Hampshire.

Dean's campaign declined to comment.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031208/D7VAF64G0.html

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Death Metal Moe

12-08-2003, 04:34 PM

So I guess Al Gore might meet with a Clinton-esque "accident" soon.

Stay safe Al!!!!!!

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Tall_James

12-08-2003, 04:34 PM

Nice move dickweed. In 2000 he has Lieberman as his VP choice to court the jewish vote. Now that he doesn't need him, he casts his lot with Dean.

Your true colors are showing Al.

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high fly

12-08-2003, 04:40 PM

Dumbass.

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Reephdweller

12-08-2003, 04:42 PM

Yeah, you would have thought he'd do his buddy Lieberman a solid, but I guess not.

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curtoid

12-08-2003, 04:43 PM

Yeah, this has got to piss off the Clintonites, who really would want Anyone But Dean (I think it was pretty obvious from Hillary's appearances over the weekend that they think they will have a good chance electing her in '08). I think it's pretty ballsy, actually - good for Gore. The sooner the Democrats can settle and agree on one guy (or a team of guys, like agreeing on a "Dean/Clark" ticket), the easier chance they have at running against the well funded, well organized Bush Machine.

And why would he endorse Lieberman - he might as well endorse Nader!

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Tall_James

12-08-2003, 04:45 PM

he might as well endorse Nader!

I can't wait for Nader to announce and immediately draw 10% of the vote away from the Democratic challenger.

Go Green!

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high fly

12-08-2003, 04:47 PM

Nader

Now my day is officially, irreparably ruined.

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HBox

12-08-2003, 04:53 PM

In 2000 he has Lieberman as his VP choice to court the jewish vote.

Yeah, I'm sure he picked a VP candidate so he could ensure a whole whopping 2.1% of population in spite of the fact that it probably cost him at least as many votes as it earned him.

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high fly

12-08-2003, 04:56 PM

(sniff)

(sniffle)

(begins sobbing and weeping uncontrollably)

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Tall_James

12-08-2003, 05:00 PM

Yeah, I'm sure he picked a VP candidate so he could ensure a whole whopping 2.1% of population in

Haven't you been listening? THEY CONTROL THE MEDIA AND THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING SYSTEM!!! And I'm pretty sure that they are infiltrating the entertainment industry.

Oh jeez, I better get rid of that copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

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HBox

12-08-2003, 05:10 PM

Haven't you been listening? THEY CONTROL THE MEDIA AND THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING SYSTEM!!! And I'm pretty sure that they are infiltrating the entertainment industry.

If they're so powerful how did they let Gore/Lieberman get fucked out of the election?

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Reephdweller

12-08-2003, 05:12 PM

If they're so powerful how did they let Gore/Lieberman get fucked out of the election?

I think someone brought them cold soup.

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12-08-2003, 06:59 PM

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curtoid

12-09-2003, 04:18 AM

HBox - Thank you for making the case about the whole Jewish thing...it was too late last night and my head was going to explode...

HighFly - Sorry for mentioning the dreaded "N" word

Tall James - The "N" word will not run this time, and if he does he will have the same impact Perot did in 1996, which he realizes would ruin any future funding on the national level (you don't actually believe that his best interests weren't served by having Bush the last 3 years?)

sr71blackbird - I know you don't want to get into a battle of goofy pictures, because there are oh so many more of Bushie out there.

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A.J.

12-09-2003, 05:00 AM

If they're so powerful how did they let Gore/Lieberman get fucked out of the election?

Because they only have one justice on the Supreme Court.

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DarkHippie

12-09-2003, 05:50 PM

Gore didn't back lieberman because lieberman supported the war, which gore was against. If he had suported lieberman, it would've just been playing politics. I'm glad that he went with the choice he felt was right instead of boosting his old buddy

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Reephdweller

12-09-2003, 06:04 PM

sr71blackbird - I know you don't want to get into a battle of goofy pictures, because there are oh so many more of Bushie out there.

C'mon that's a classic Gore shot!

HBox: The interesting thing about the Jewish comment I meant to respond about last night was that while you may be on point about how the Jewish vote may only constitute 2.1%, it was fairly obvious to me that in the 2000 campaign that Gore would wear a different mask every day. One day he was a Jew, the next he was in some Baptist church in the South preaching like he was a black preacher. Other days he'd be a union worker, others he'd be a farmer. He was trying to do the Clinton thing of trying to appeal to all people, but he wasn't as slick at it as Clinton was.

Now I'm not saying that Bush or other politians don't do the very same thing, but I do know that his entire motive for Lieberman was to help court as much of the jewish vote as he could get. He wanted to get as many groups into his corner as he could.

As much as his decision to have Lieberman on his ticket was a political move, so is his decision to endorse Dean.

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Se7en

12-09-2003, 06:45 PM

I'm glad that he went with the choice he felt was right instead of boosting his old buddy

But see, I don't think he necessarily went with the "choice he felt was right".

The perception is that Dean is the only one who has a chance of winning - and thus, he's the one who will get big endorsements like this.

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12-09-2003, 07:10 PM

Gore Endorsement Gives Dean 'Cheneyesque Gravitas'
(2003-12-08) -- Itinerant college professor Al Gore has reportedly signed a major endorsement deal with presidential hopeful Howard Dean valued at "somewhere in the Tiger Woods-Nike range," according to Donna Brazile, Mr. Gore's 2000 campaign manager.

"Al Gore brings a Dick Cheneyesque gravitas to the Dean campaign," said Ms. Brazile. "Yet few Democrats can stir the passions of voters the way Gore does. I think that of all the Al Gores I've known, this new one is the most exciting yet. He's worth whatever Dean is paying to get him."

The endorsement contract calls for Mr. Gore to make commercials and public appearances during which he'll say he thinks Mr. Dean is superior to the eight other Democrat presidential candidates including Senator Joseph Lieberman, whom Mr. Gore chose as his running mate in 2000.

In public, Mr. Gore will wear Dean apparel and put his personal signature on several of Mr. Dean's more popular issues. The Dean campaign hopes the Gore endorsement deal will make their candidate more appealing to "hip intellectuals" in addition to the Dean support base of angry metrosexuals.

This one really amused me, perhaps because of the references to the Torah / Pentateuch:

Gore Claims Dean Tricked Him into Endorsement
(2003-12-09) -- Former presidential candidate Al Gore this afternoon said he was tricked into endorsing Howard Dean and had intended to back his former running mate, Senator Joseph Lieberman. Mr. Dean allegedly imitated Mr. Lieberman's voice in a late night phone call to Mr. Gore, and invited him to Harlem to announce his endorsement.

"By the time I realized that I wasn't endorsing Joe, I was already there at the podium with Howard," said Mr. Gore. "It was embarrassing, but there was nothing I could do about it. It was already out there."

In a scene reminiscent of the story of Jacob and Esau from the Bible, Mr. Lieberman came in at the end of Mr. Gore's speech and pleaded with him.

"Have you not reserved an endorsement for me?" cried Mr. Lieberman. "Do you have only one endorsement to give? Endorse me also, Al."

But Mr. Gore remained stoic.

"Howard came deceitfully and has taken away your endorsement," he said. "I have virtually made him the Democrat nominee, and he shall rule over you."

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HBox

12-09-2003, 07:13 PM

Al Gore has a horrible combover.

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El Mudo

12-09-2003, 09:09 PM

Yeah, you would have thought he'd do his buddy Lieberman a solid, but I guess not.

I was feeling bad for Lieberman this morning, but then I realized Gore chose him last year to basically balance the ol' ticket, and i think Lieberman knew what that relationship was. This definitely was a shot at the Clinton's i think, being as Clinton's office was right down the street there in Harlem, and Clark is their boy...

I also find it MIND-BOGGLING that Gore thinks the solution to the party's ills is to shift further to the left...WTF is going on in his head?

I guess i shouldn't be too surprised..these are the same types that think Bush is a "right wing extremist"

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A.J.

12-10-2003, 03:51 AM

Al Gore has a horrible combover.

I'm glad somebody else noticed that.

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curtoid

12-10-2003, 04:41 AM

My theory now is that Lieberman was forced on him by the Clintonites and was never really Al's choice. Al is actually a pretty decent guy, but during that election he tried to become everything to everybody.

The other 8 and their reaction to Dean, especially over this, have actually begun to win me over - it has exposed every petty little thing I hate about Democrats. I was leaning towards Clark or even Kerry (one of whom I still believe will be on the ticket, but maybe as the VP), and now...I don't know...I may now be in Dean's camp.

This field of 9 just needs to thin the heard and fast - and then rally 'round the candidate, even if it is Dean.

And think how stupid they all look if Dean actually defies expectations again and beats Bush? They need to stop looking at Hillary for '08, and look for some solutions and winners now.

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high fly

12-10-2003, 08:31 AM

HighFly - sorry for mentioning the dreaded "N" word

The torture never stops.

This does nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help my most recent attempt at sobriety...

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curtoid

12-10-2003, 10:46 AM

the "N" Word"

Salt...wounds...here you go...

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high fly

12-10-2003, 10:58 AM

(removes barrel of shotgun from mouth)
No, that's too easy, too quick.

Maybe if I just sat in a vat of acid...

Or maybe a lil' something with fire...
Yeah, I don't know, them Bhuddist monks seem to have the right idea...

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TheMojoPin

12-10-2003, 03:47 PM

It never fails to amaze me how Gore voters seem to think that my vote should have worked for THEM and not me.

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Reephdweller

12-10-2003, 03:50 PM

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curtoid

12-10-2003, 04:08 PM

Getting back on the Dean track...two questions I still have, both going out on a limb with the hypothetical that if Dean is the Democrat's candidate...

* will the 8 others going for the nomination be willing to eat crow and fully come on board, or will there be some who will not publically endorse him? Follow-up: are the Democrats so in love with the Clinton era that they think that is the only blue-print for success?

I thought that it was pretty telling when the other 8 didn't raise their hands when Koppel asked if they thought Dean could beat Bush. He didn't say "Should" and wasn't looking for the endorsement of the other guy, but he said "could." Dean has gotten their panties in such a twist that they didn't see the clear answer was that "Of course he can! We all can! Anyone on this stage, but if you really want to beat him..." Even if they didn't believe it. Instead they looked unorganized - couldn't stay on message, and worse like spoiled babies (which is usually the Republican look of choice, aside from "smarty pants"), and it's an image (I predict) that will be used against Dean in the Presidential bid, if he is their choice.

* Second question for anyone, or no one (I can answer my own questions if no one else responds): will Dean be able to convincingly return to a broader appealing centrist message after the primaries (again...IF he is the nominee).

Personally, I don't know - he's surprised everyone so far, so why not.

Current prediction is a "Dean/Kerry" ticket, and it's an election as close as 2000; and Moderator MojoPin goes to the nearest bell-tower with a shotgun before the end of 2004, as things get festive in here.

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high fly

12-10-2003, 04:17 PM

(begins scouting out the pirhana tank at the zoo...)

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TheMojoPin

12-10-2003, 04:19 PM

Follow-up: are the Democrats so in love with the Clinton era that they think that is the only blue-print for success?

Let's hope not, since Clinton led the Democrats to be the least "Democrat-ic" they've been in about 80 years.

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The Jays

12-10-2003, 04:27 PM

Gore didn't back lieberman because lieberman supported the war, which gore was against. If he had suported lieberman, it would've just been playing politics. I'm glad that he went with the choice he felt was right instead of boosting his old buddy

Especially since Liberman was also used before just so Gore didn't look so liberal. This time around they are going full flaming liberal all the way.

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high fly

12-10-2003, 04:37 PM

I'd sure like to see the budget balanced and unemployment back under 4 %, and us be the cool country in the world rather than pariahs, but that's just me...

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Se7en

12-10-2003, 07:55 PM

will the 8 others going for the nomination be willing to eat crow and fully come on board, or will there be some who will not publically endorse him?

The latter.

Follow-up: are the Democrats so in love with the Clinton era that they think that is the only blue-print for success?

It isn't necessarily the only blue-print for success, but it's the one that is most likely to guarantee victory.

I'm of the opinion that most Americans, moderate as they are, will view Dean as too left-wing or liberal - at least, enough will that he won't get elected. It's still not even money that he'll get the nomination yet.

Dean has gotten their panties in such a twist that they didn't see the clear answer was that "Of course he can!

That's FAR from a given.

Hell, if any single one of the other 8 - Kerry in particular - weren't so timid and / or had their heads up their asses running their campaign, they could have easily DESTROYED Dean by now, given his many faults / flaws, but they haven't. It's their own fault.

Second question for anyone, or no one (I can answer my own questions if no one else responds): will Dean be able to convincingly return to a broader appealing centrist message after the primaries (again...IF he is the nominee).

No.

He will try, and he will gain *some* traction, but enough to get him elected over Bush? I don't think he will. Dean isn't like Clinton, who was a master of straddling the fence.

Personally, I don't know - he's surprised everyone so far, so why not.

With all due respect to Howard, I honestly feel the only reason he's where he's at right now is because of the general ineptitude of guys like Kerry. This should have been Kerry's race to lose - and lose he may very well do, badly.

Current prediction is a "Dean/Kerry" ticket, and it's an election as close as 2000;

Dean / Kerry? I can't see it. Probably too much bad blood there, especially if Dean gets the nomination.

If Dean gets it, I can see him trying to sway Clark to his side. He needs to do something to counteract his blunders and get the South on his side.

It will probably be a close election, no matter who gets the nomination - but probably a bigger victory for Bush if he gets paired against Dean than if he were to be paired against, for example, Kerry.

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high fly

12-11-2003, 06:19 AM

now I'm thinking wood chipper- lowering myself slowly into a wood chipper...

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Se7en

12-11-2003, 07:34 AM

Don't do it!

You have so much to live for!

You could just convert to the Green party, you know......

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curtoid

12-11-2003, 07:54 AM

Just mean...

Don't do it!

You have so much to live for!

You could just convert to the Green party, you know......

Don't listen to him, man! That's what the right wants! Just ask any Republican if they want Nader to run again!!

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high fly

12-11-2003, 07:59 AM

You couldjust convert to the Green Party

poison- yeah, maybe a good poison.
Not a fast acting one,oh no, that would be too easy.

Seems to me I heard cyanide produces indescribable agomny for a few minutes....

Or maybe I could advertise for a German to eat me.....

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curtoid

12-11-2003, 08:20 AM

Or maybe I could advertise for a German to eat me.....

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12-11-2003, 12:11 PM

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curtoid

12-11-2003, 12:17 PM

So, to once again get this back on track, I was reading that even though Dean and his camp have been working on Gore for months and months now, that when Gore made his decision, it sort of just happened, and even sort of surprised Dean.

What does Gore want from this?

* A political post (Sec. of State?)?

* To stick it to the Clinton's?

* Stick it to Droopy Dawg (Joe Lieberman)?

* A chance to be a "king maker"?

* Or the hearts and minds of the core of the Deocratic left - if Dean is the nominee but doesn't win, Gore could be the '08 nominee of choice?

Part of me still thinks that it was a mistake that Gore didn't run for re-election ((rim-shot)) - he was the most qualified man for the office since Nixon to run for the office - however (in many respects) this is more fun.

I do like the speculating.

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