Russian's 9/11 Memorial Sculpture Disgusts Me.

[DJEvelEd]

The Russian artist Zurab Tsereteli, who has built large-scale sculptures in several cities around the world, including one outside the United Nations complex in New York, is planning to build a 100-foot-tall, 176-ton bronze obelisk on the Jersey City waterfront, somewhere between the northern edge of Liberty State Park and Exchange Place.

Rising along the water's edge - or, as one proposal has it, from out of the river itself - Tsereteli's monument, called "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism," will consist of a 100-foot-tall rectangular bronze block with a fissure down the middle.

It is a big ugly obelisk with a huge vagina shaped "fissure" taking up the entire middle. Sideways it reminds me of the first imprint the planes left in the Twin Towers. I find this in bad taste for a memorial. It's REALLY awful. Are we spending taxpayer money on this piece of crap?


Here's a link to the story (http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/jerseycity/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1071659521101260.xml)

Whoever can find the picure and post it here will shock us all.
There's a photo in the Jersey Journal today. YEEECH!


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This message was edited by DJEvelEd on 12-17-03 @ 5:38 PM

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Hey! No picture of the "huge vagina"!
I was looking forward to that.




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[DJEvelEd]

I cant find a picture of this thing. It's ugly, believe me you. I'd rather have a homeless shelter or methadone clinic next door to me than to have to look at this big, ugly hole. Memorial Schmorial. It's a fucking building with a fucking Airplane crashed through it. WTF?!?

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[high fly]

An airplane stuck in a vagina-- just how I remember 9-11!

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[sr71blackbird]

What the hells that suppose to symbolize? Why are archetects always trying to make something seem so bizzarre? Why not something thats symbolic of unity and resolve?

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An airplane stuck in a vagina-- just how I remember 9-11!



Apparently so does Mr. Tsereteli. This is the side view, straight on, it really is an airplane driven through a vagina.

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[Hottub]

I find this revolting, and quite upsetting.

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[high fly]

Modelled by Mrs. Tserteli.

Just a hunch, but somehow, I don't think this is how she wishes to be imortalized.

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art is dumb.

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[Snoogans]

how the hell are we gonna give out third place olympic medals now

on a serious note, im not disgusted by it because the creator meant well. i am disgusted by looking at it though, it is fuckin ugly as shit. also, itll never get approved, so it doesnt matter

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[Mike Teacher]

I'm disgusted by the vast majority of Sept. 11th Monuments and Memorials, to be honest.

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[newport king]

if anyone knows the jersey city exchange place waterfront they already have a bronze statue there and its some soldier looks like he is running with a big ass rifle with the bayonet stuck into his back. i'd post a picture of it if i knew how but that shit is ugly too.

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[Snoogans]

anyone notice how the city memorials all looked retarted too.

why not a wall with everyone's name on it. it worked pretty well the last time they used that idea

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[newport king]

i actually liked the one with their faces and videos of them, but it didn't seem very realistic.

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[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

I like this (http://slate.msn.com/id/2091407/) for a memorial. Unfortunately, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation bounced it because the designer "technically" submitted more than one design.

I live in Jersey City and hate how the waterfront has been so built up in the 13 years I've lived here. I love Fred Bernstein's design. He should pitch it to Jersey City Mayor Cunningham.


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[Yerdaddy]

Is there anything more dignified than the Vietnam War Memorial? Why can't we learn anything from something done right? That vag crack thing is hideous.

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Is there anything more dignified than the Vietnam War Memorial?

EXACTLY. Especially with the amount of people who lost their lives on 9/11. Nothing would be more powerful and fitting than a memorial that just focused on their NAMES and gave the dead some power in their lost lives and identities.

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[Snoogans]

s there anything more dignified than the Vietnam War Memorial? Why can't we learn anything from something done right? That vag crack thing is hideous.

did everyone not get that this was what i meant by my wall comment?

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OK, nobody is allowed to ever discuss the Vietnam Wall ever again anywhere EVER. Thanks, Snoogs.

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[Snoogans]

i didnt say that, i just saw credit giving to someone else, and since i have so few good ideas, i figure i can hook myself up with one

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Let's fight behind the dumpster.

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[Snoogans]

fine but im using a 2x4 with nails in it this time

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[Mike Teacher]

Is there anything more dignified than the Vietnam War Memorial? Why can't we learn anything from something done right?


Wow, this is interesting, because the exact same thing happened with the Wall.

-THATS It? A Dark Slab in the ground? You have all these memorials of White stone columns, and we get a fucking wall, half buried in the ground so you can't even see it from the other side. Pathetic.

-The Names? They're in the wrong Order? It doesnt even go left to right! And you can't SEE the Names! This is insanity.

The above was the opinion of a Whole Lotta people when the final design was revealed. And it didn't end there. People protested the design up until it's completing, and after.

The history of the design competition for the Viet Nam Memorial is fascinating stuff.

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I remember the story of the Wall, it is interesting, and telling that memorials are going to be controversial. They have to address subjects that effect emotions for so many different people. And the Wall doesn't have to be replicated. But that thing that's in that picture up there says only one thing: "look at how ugly this was." That's not good enough. That says nothing about the heroism displayed by the NY Fire and Police Departments, the teamsters who just showed up and worked round the clock, and all the other acts of selflessness that are a part of that day and after. I don't know what a piece of art would have to look like to properly memorialize that day, but that thing doesn't do it.

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can we all agree that art sucks. say there was a meteor or some such natural disaster that ravaged the earth back to the dark ages.

hundreds of years later, society begins to rebuild itself, archeologists begin to uncover artifacts from this time. what do they make of this statue.

the problem with contemporary art is that you need to read a dicertation regarding the piece prior to viewing.



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[Snoogans]

did wonderboy make this

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[A.J.]

why not a wall with everyone's name on it. it worked pretty well the last time they used that idea

Is there anything more dignified than the Vietnam War Memorial? Why can't we learn anything from something done right? That vag crack thing is hideous.

I agree -- especially when you look at what's planned for the Pentagon.

Pentagon Memorial (http://memorial.pentagon.mil/renderings.htm)

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especially when you look at what's planned for the Pentagon.

Actually, I like the Pentagon memorial. I think it's very dignified and beautiful.

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can we all agree that art sucks. say there was a meteor or some such natural disaster that ravaged the earth back to the dark ages.

hundreds of years later, society begins to rebuild itself, archeologists begin to uncover artifacts from this time. what do they make of this statue.




They are going to think we worshipped a giant vagina.



(something I already do)





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This book deals with that exact subject. Discovery of a buried motel in the distant future leads to some interesting interpretations of objects in a hotel room. Very, very, funny

[high fly]

"How did a giant vagina get in this hotel room"


---story at 11.






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[sr71blackbird]

I dont even know why we consider anything that artists from other countrys submit to a memorial. What is there a shortage of American artists? This flimsy looking shit and these unusual looking junk structures these dickheads make lately have absolutely no dignity or value other than to cause anyone who stumbles upon it to scratch their heads and say "what the fuck is that?"

My nephew went to school to be an archetect and I use to see all these weird building designs that he would bring in, and I would think to myself, why when designing a structure that you intend to last for a long time, would you make it look like that? That crack in the sculpture above will eventually be inhabited by pigeons and theyll crap all over it and make it look even more disgusting, dont they think about that?

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[high fly]

I don't even know why we consider anything that artists from foreign countries submit...


Yeah. Did you see the one from the Chinese artist?
The vagina was sideways!

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How about a nice circular wall at groundlevel that goes around whatever building they decide to build there with the names/likeness engraved in it?

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[high fly]

Yeah, something simple. The best memorials have a nice, simple, bold composition.
Look at the Marine Corps Memorial, the Lincoln, the Jefferson...
Then look at the Korean War Memorial.
It suffers from the clutter of too many elements in it.

I think the WWII memorial in DC will have the same problem.
And why do they all seem to have to include theatres and other such "educational" add ons? Let people learn about the subject of the memorial elsewhere.

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[DJEvelEd]

That crack in the sculpture above will eventually be inhabited by pigeons and theyll crap all over it and make it look even more disgusting

Updated Sculpture Title:

"Crashing a plane though a giant diseased vagina."

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[high fly]

Mebbe they can outfit it with a giant "dental dam" and use it to catch pigeons which they can then slaughter and feed to the homeless...

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form the angle this picture was taken the white area inside looks like a big load of jiz...

i think it is highly unattractive and the artist has his own agenda in mind rather than paying tribute to the lives that were lost...



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form the angle this picture was taken the white area inside looks like a big load of jiz...





I was thinking one bastard of a yeast infection...

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