Lords of The New Church

[Borne Too Loose]

I'm not sure how many people remember, or even care about the Lords of the New Church. They were basically the shift from punk to goth. (The two founding members were pretty prominent punk stars: Stiv Bators, singer form the Dead Boys, and Brian James of the Damned.)
Regardless of what they were, pompous or revolutionary, what do people think of the fact that they've reformed ? they've started touring europe again and recorded a new album, despite the fact that Stiv Bators, the frontman and cornerstone of the group died in 1994.
Has anyone heard anything?
Does anyone even care?
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[TheMojoPin]

Goth?

They look pretty goddamn glam to me.

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[Borne Too Loose]

By the time they came on the scene (80-82) glam was still in hibernation. The New York Dolls had disintegrated, and it would be another few years before the L.A. guys would bring it back to life (i.e. Hanoi Rocks and motley Crue. These guys however were all fans'friends of Stiv Bators and picked up on his goth/glam thing.)

Also for reference, Guns N' Roses covered te Dead Boys "ain't it fun" on the spaghetti incident cover album, dedicated to Stiv Bators.

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This message was edited by Borne Too Loose on 1-30-04 @ 12:52 PM

[TheMojoPin]

The New York Dolls had disintegrated, and it would be another few years before the L.A. guys would bring it back to life (i.e. Hanoi Rocks and motley Crue.

NOT glam.

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[Freakshow]

I never thought Lords of the New Church was a good name for a punk band, anyway.
I have no interest in seeing them without Stiv Bators.

I'm more interested in seeing Rocket From the Tombs. They're the Cleveland band that spawned both the Dead Boys and Pere Ubu. I couldn't include them in the best bands with one album thread because they didn't even make one album (until just recently).

Also I believe we have exceeded the maximum allowable usage of Hanoi Rocks in on day on this board.

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[Borne Too Loose]

The new lineup.
Looks disappointing.
http://www.angelsinexile.i12.com/lords/images/lordsad.jpg
the guy in the middle is DEFINITELY not Stiv.

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[TheMojoPin]

I'm more interested in seeing Rocket From the Tombs.

RAWK.

I never thought Lords of the New Church was a good name for a punk band, anyway.

True. I instantly longed for the soothing tones of THESE guys instead...

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[JustJon]

I'm more interested in seeing Rocket From the Tombs
As opposed to Rocket From the Crypt?

And I saw PEre Ubu live about 10 years ago, it made me never want to listen to Pere Ubu.

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[MizzleTizzle]

Stiv Bators, singer form the Dead Boys, and Brian James of the Damned.


Dead Boys and the Damned were some kick ass punk, and if you don't agree with the 'punk' label ease up, i'm just discussin', since us oldsters were around when these acts were playing NY.

Stiv died of a stab wound from a knife fight, I believe, and I know it wasn;t his first stabbing, as a musician friend of mine played a Stiv Benefit show after he ended up in the hospital. again.

These could be terribly violent shows. Make a mosh seem almost tame. Words are gonna fail here, but it was all so knew and fresh and full of danger.

Having said that, I loved some LofTNC music.

utterly unrepeatable.

[going to find my old interview with above musician, has some great stuff about the Damned]

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[MizzleTizzle]

From my tape of a Round-Table Interview for the East Coast Rocker, w/ Vic Garbarini, two others, and yes, me.

Robert Fripp
Virgin Offices NYC
Wed 22 Mar 1995

Q: Trent Reznor was asking me about the Bowie albums, and how all of this was done. Also U2 were in Berlin, trying to catch the same thing on Auchtung Baby. What instructions were you given when you walked into the studio by Eno and Bowie?

RF: Well what happened, I said, "Would you like to play me what you have done?" And they said, well "plug in". So I plugged in, and then they played it, and I responded to it as the tape was running, as I was listening to it for the first time.

Q: You played "Heroes" live with Blondie at CBGBs, did you actually have to relearn it?
RF: Yes I did, actually. Chris Stein said he'd driven around Europe, listening to Heroes in the van, "would you like to play with us?" I said, "Yeah, but I have to listen to it." So, we got together for an hour and a half and rehearsed a few tunes and then went down to CBGBs. I played Heroes with Blondie at the Hammersmith Odeon in January 1980, and they released it on the b-side of "Atomic" I think it was, 12 inch single.

I also played with The Damned, actually at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1982 or 83, because Crimson had done a television show in Munich with them, and I stayed behind to see the show. Wonderful! They came on (throws head back, laughs to himself) they came on and said, (imitating Damned singer's lower class english) "Right! This is for all you what like's disco! (imitates huge spit at the audience). Ugh! Then the spit and the gob started flying back from the audience, this is on television! Ugh! Terrible! (resumes Damned vocalists voice) "Right! This is for all you what likes disco!" (imitates fast stacatto punk guitar chords) Yak-kak-kak-kak-kak, and I thought it was great! I sent them a bottle of champagne afterwards (everyone laughs) and went back to say hello and they said, "Oh! we're doing a photo session, come on in!" So they grabbed me into the photo session. There I was having my photo taken with the Damned, as they were singing (again imitating) "It's springtime for Hitler, and Germany!" Ahhh!
But anyway, I liked them enormously and they said "Would you like to be on with us" and I turned up for the soundcheck, and then they were called back for a second encore, and Captain Sensible said, "Do you want to do them?" and I said "sure", and I had never heard them. I said "what keys" and he said "The first one's in E, the second one's in E" so I said "fine" and we went back out, and there on the stage of the Hammersmith Odeon I was wailing away on these tunes I'd never heard before, but both were in E. As, and I must say, this was the part of the punk movement that I really didn't like, as the gob was flying up from the audience, and there was Captain Sensible, who at the time had his shorts on, and splot! splat! plop! And I'd set up twelve feet from the front thinking no one could gob further than twelve feet. I can tell you they can! They can! It was really disgusting! But fortunately no one in the audience had any interest in me at all. So it simply flew past my pedal board and landed beyond.


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[Freakshow]

Didn't mean to offend, mizzle.

Just thought the name isn't something that made me think punk. That doesn't mean they weren't punk--Stiv Bators and/or Brian James and the rest could sing straight-up country and I would still consider it punk.

Rocket from the Toombs was much, much older than Rocket from the Crypt. I think the latter may have named themselves after RFTT (I can't find anything to prove this, though). Also, "Ain't It Fun" was originally a RFTT song.


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[Borne Too Loose]

Stiv died of a stab wound from a knife fight, I believe,


I hate to be the nit pick, but Stiv Bators DID NOT die from a stab wound. He died from injuries sustained while being hit by a car in Paris in 1994. Johnny Blitz, the drummer for the Dead Boys, was stabbed in a knife fight, slashed from neck to groin, in NY in 1978, and was hospitalizerd for a long period of time. The Dead Boys performed at the "Blitz Benefit" at CBGB's with John Belushi sitting in on drums for a couple songs.

As far as the new LotNC shows being violent, i can't really imagine it. they were pretty much on the outskirts of punk (only being their primary roots) at best. They were beginning a new musical genre (a new church,) and the essence of violence was more subdued. There was sporadic violence at there shows, but nothing to the caliber of Dead Boys shows in New York or the early Black Flag and X shows in L.A.
i think at best, the shows will be a little lame. St9iv had big shoes to try and fill, but if they dcome to USA i'll definitely check em out.

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[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

My best friend and I saw Lords of the New Church in 1987 in, and of all places, L'Amour Far East. It was in a cheesy strip mall in Commack. The show was great, tho.

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[MizzleTizzle]

Didn't mean to offend, mizzle.


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Did I miss a Dis? Even if I did, never concern yourself with offending me.

Unless it was really bad, in which case...

Go Screw Yourself. ;)

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I hate to be the nit pick, but Stiv Bators DID NOT die from a stab wound.


[EDIT: Not a nit-pick for me. I'm glad someone has the facts. Well done!]
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This message was edited by MizzleTizzle on 1-30-04 @ 8:17 PM

[TheMojoPin]

Somebody's done their homework.

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[Borne Too Loose]

Somebody's done their homework.


damn right. read the book 15 times.
excellent rock and roll chronicling. up there with "no one here gets out alive" about Jim Morrison by danny sugerman.

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"All I Have In This World, Are My Balls and My Word, and I Don't Break 'em for Nobody."

[TheMojoPin]

Reading about the Doors gives them more attention than they deserve.

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[Borne Too Loose]

But it read more like fiction.

Still more interesting than Tolkien.
Stupid fantasy bullshit. Give me a fat drunk guy dead in a bathtub anyday.

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