Ralph Nader running for Prez again?

[MizzleTizzle]

WASHINGTON - Ralph Nader will announce Sunday whether he will make another run for the White House, but all signs indicate the consumer advocate plans to jump into the race as an independent.

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This has been up for a while [i think]; but I don't see it mentioned here [looking around, paranoid]

Hmmm, Ralph Nader.

Opinions? Anyone?

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[El Mudo]

Good for him...


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[HBox]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

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[gypsy]

iron your clothes this time. Would this hurt the Democrats or the Republicans more? I would say Dems. Also, alot of Arab americans will vote for a him, a fellow Arab, thus hurting the Democrats even more.

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I wonder where Ross Perot is...

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[TheMojoPin]

I think Kuncinich's poor showing indicates Ralph running wouldn't have much of an effect.

And hasn't this been scuttlebutt for a few months now?

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[A.J.]

Instead of running these quixotic Presidential campaigns, why doesn't he just run for a House or Senate seat?

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[mercury29]

I say go for it. It sure beats this clown circus we've got now.

[Se7en]

Does this mean we're going to have to hear some of the Dems in here whining about how he cost Gore the election in 2000?

That's about as endearing as when the Republicans said the same thing about Bush I and Ross Perot.

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[MizzleTizzle]

Instead of running these quixotic Presidential campaigns


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[curtoid]

Oh good!

Someone for Mojo to vote for!!!! (heh-heh)

I can't imagine that he will go on Tim Russert if he wasn't running, but you never know. Any idea if the Greens would be behind him?



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[HBox]

The sad part about this is I hate Kerry so much, I actually have to consider voting for him. sigh...............

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[A.J.]

Instead of running these quixotic Presidential campaigns


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[DJEvelEd]

Ralphie-Boy is great but he's no Mike Badnarik.

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[Se7en]

The sad part about this is I hate Kerry so much, I actually have to consider voting for him. sigh...............



hee hee hee.....so the plan is working.....

......oops, did I say that out loud?

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[alexc]

this man will help get bush elected.. i don't want that to happen....

[42nd-delay]

It's just a vanity campaign for Nader - he's not even going to be a Green Party candidate. He's just running to satisfy his seemingly enormous ego.

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[TheMojoPin]

He's not going to be able to pull in anything close to the numbers he had last time without the backing of the Greens.

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[RocOutWithYACockOUT]

I'm watching Nader on Meet The Press right now and I have to say that he has some very good ideas in regard to the economy ,employment and the War in Iraq. But I wouldn't want to use my vote on someone who has no chance of winning.

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He has burnt the Green Bridge.

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[Dudeman]

saying there is no difference between dem's and rep's reveals how out of touch this guy is. Just look at the difference in judicial appointments or treatment of science (ie. stem cell research and environmental research- to pick a recent topic on the message board,) and these differences alone should allow someone to chose between dem and rep.


-the dude is online-

[curtoid]

Worst "Meet The Press" in history.

Not only was Ralph Nader and his Super Ego on display, whining and mealy-mouthing his way through it, but Ah-nold actually came on prior to that...and...and...oh, I can't even fucking deal. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=1&u=/ap/schwarzenegger)

Is it time to finally announce that we are done with California? Can we send it off on it's own now?

Favorite quote, in regards to foreign born citizens running for President: "There are so many people in this country that are now from overseas, that are immigrants, that are doing such a terrific job with their work, bringing businesses here, that there's no reason why not."

I'm not even saying that I am against exploring the idea, putting it up for a vote or whatever, it's just that if Arnold was a Democrat this would never have come up.

Just saying.



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Crazy Alabama Judge Roy Moore will become my new favorite guy if he enters the race.

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[Se7en]

saying there is no difference between dem's and rep's reveals how out of touch this guy is.

No, he's absolutely correct. Dems & Reps ARE exactly the same. They're just different sides of the same coin - each believes their own bullshit ideology - and both are pretty much concerned more with staying in (or acquiring) power rather than actually getting anything substantive done.

I mean, hell, I'm a Republican, but at least I can recognize that much.

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[curtoid]

I don't see a lot of difference on some key issues either, and in fact there have been a lot of Democrats the last couple of years that have acted more Republican, and quite a few Republicans that have acted like Democrats.

(I know the world has flipped when all of my liberal Democrat friends are the ones who are advocates for personal responsibility, and would be more apt to spank their child than my conservative friends! haha!)

And yet, people are getting more and more entrenched in "their" camps, regardless of the consequences and in spite if their core beliefs really match up with the realities of what "their" parties are doing.

My father is a good example - a life long Republican; has only recently voted for a Democrat (a conservative one, but one none-the-less); is pretty open minded on most things - has no problems with gays and marriage, and is pro-choice; is sometimes progressive on his thoughts about Palistine and the middle east and pretty moderate to liberal when it comes to race; he wasn't frigthened after 9/11, and sees things pretty clearly, even though he supported military action in Iraq - a lot of people believed the reports.

He's a Republican for the fiscal issues - he wants less government; goverment out of people's lives; all of that jazz. A real Reagan Republican, as it were.

And yet, there is no one more in love with Bush than him (with maybe the exception of se7en! ha!). It drives my Mom nuts (it would me too if we lived closer, I'm sure), because this President is not fiscally responsible, yet seems hell bent to put into motion a culturally conservative policy both of my parents have spent their lives rejecting, so I can't see what the draw is - except for the mind numbing "he's the Republican."

Anyway, while I think the two sides are crossing over on many issues, becoming a Republicrat, I do believe the Republicans have become more be-holden to their extreme right than the Democrats have on their extreme left in recent years.



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I didn't know my dad had another son named "Curtoid."

Spooky.

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[DJEvelEd]

But I wouldn't want to use my vote on someone who has no chance of winning.

It's not a waste if they get enough votes to get those all important Federal Matching Funds and possible get a third party into a national debate. There's only one party now anyway. The whole system is caca poopie!!!

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Immigration in the United States is drying up when you compare it to other time periods. Therefore, the justification for that such an amendment is dying.

It enfuriates me when people say there is no difference between the parties. Defense? Healthcare? Abortion? Social Security? Gay marriage? Foreign policy? Over the years, Democrats have taken up the cause of issues like gay marriage for almost no other reason other than the fact that Republicans were against it. Here's an issue that nobody even thought about until the Democrats made it an issue. The parties rarely agree and on those rare occasions, people like Nader use that as "proof" that they are one and the same. I want a viable third party (Not the Nader is offering that), but not one that makes such erroneous allegations.

Today when Fox News was covering the story, they said that 21% of the people who voted Nader would have voted for Bush. I thought I was the only rightist Nader supporter in 2000.

And by the way, anyone who claims that voting for a third party candidate is throwing away a vote needs their voting rights taken away.

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There's actually a bigger-picture reason to vote for a an third-party candidate.

If a third party candidate receives a significant number of popular votes (it may be 15-20%, someone please back me up with valid #s) that party receives a certain share of publically available campaign funding in the next election, just like the DNC & GOP does. That potentially opens a door for a third major player in the presidential race each time around instead of two clowns and a bunch of guys with good ideas and no party support.

I voted for Nader for that exact reason. Not because I want him as president, but I wanted to open the door for more choices in the future. I'd love to see future elections where there are 4-5 legitimately good candidates instead of having to choose a candidate who is the lesser of two evils.

I'm always thinking ahead.

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[Se7en]

And yet, there is no one more in love with Bush than him (with maybe the exception of se7en! ha!).

People here seem to think I have this love affair with Bush. I don't.

I think I've explained the situation before. Bush is like that drunk uncle, or cousin, or maybe a brother-in-law, that one relative you have in your family who's sort of an embarrassment and you're not really comfortable with them hanging around, but you still have to do a little shit-kicking whenever someone outside the family tries to fuck with them, because ultimately he IS family, even though at times you don't really feel like bruising your knuckles trying to defend him.

It's sort of like that.

Anyway, while I think the two sides are crossing over on many issues, becoming a Republicrat, I do believe the Republicans have become more be-holden to their extreme right than the Democrats have on their extreme left in recent years.

How do you figure that, when the only two real contenders for the nomination this year have been Howard Dean (who was THE candidate of the liberal ideologue, up until they realized the guy's nuts) and John Kerry (who is the equivalent - if not worse - of Ted Kennedy), both guys who are pretty much to the hard-left what George Bush is to the "extreme" right?

If the Dems were REALLY not about the extreme, they'd have pushed Edwards as their candidate, because not only is he moderate than the other two jokers but more electable as well, especially in the South.


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i don't know a hell of a lot about nader, outside of his issues. my question is, what experience has he had in public office? his claim to fame is his whistle blowing and liberal agenda, but where has he applied this?

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How much is bush paying him to run this time?

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Absolutely absurd.

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[Dudeman]

No, he's absolutely correct. Dems & Reps ARE exactly the same. They're just different sides of the same coin

here are just some things that would be different if we get a rep vs. dem in the white house (or may have been different if a dem was currently in the white house):

-attitude toward science (stem cell, environment- see other thread)

-taxes (and the corresponding deficit)

-appointment of judges (there may be supreme court positions open soon- who do you want? someone like scalia or ruth bader ginsberg)

-war?



tell me those aren't differences (especially the supreme court judges)


-the dude is online-

[shamus mcfitzy]

Well, I'm lazy, so can someone tell me if Nader is gonna be on anyone's ticket. Because, if not, as 42nd delay so correctly said:


It's just a vanity campaign for Nader - he's not even going to be a Green Party candidate. He's just running to satisfy his seemingly enormous ego.


I might vote for the Green Party candidate. Or David McReynolds.

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[Tall_James]

hee hee hee.....so the plan is working.....

......oops, did I say that out loud?

Shut up! You're gonna ruin it for all of us!

Let the democrats vote for Screech!

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[Se7en]

tell me those aren't differences

You don't understand the point. Mine or Nader's.

IDEOLOGICALLY, there are, of course, differences. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be any distinction between the two at all and thus no need for even two parties, let alone three.

Other than that, though, they're the same assholes who are going to fuck us over. Democrat, Republican, doesn't matter, they're both going to do it one way or another. At least Nader offers an alternative to those disenfranchised by the actions of both parties.

appointment of judges (there may be supreme court positions open soon- who do you want? someone like scalia or ruth bader ginsberg)

That's a loaded question if ever there was one. Why bother answering it? The very implication of that question is that one of those two is awful and the other is not. And thus my answer would only be "correct" if I gave you the choice you want to hear, which short of delegitimizes your little query from the very beginning.

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[Dudeman]

That's a loaded question if ever there was one. Why bother answering it? The very implication of that question is that one of those two is awful and the other is not. And thus my answer would only be "correct" if I gave you the choice you want to hear, which short of delegitimizes your little query from the very beginning.



I'll I'm saying is that those two are different and that they reflect the type of judge that would probably be appointed by Bush on one hand, Kerry on the other. For me, that differentiates the two parties enough to warrant making a choice between the two.


-the dude is online-

[CaptClown]

I'll I'm saying is that those two are different and that they reflect the type of judge that would probably be appointed by Bush on one hand, Kerry on the other. For me, that differentiates the two parties enough to warrant making a choice between the two.


-the dude is online-
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[Dudeman]

There are whole hosts of people in the far right and far left who get their names tossed into a hat just to scare the shit out of the the other side.


Scalia and Ginsberg aren't names in a hat- they are on the supreme court.


-the dude is online-

[Se7en]

I'll I'm saying is that those two are different and that they reflect the type of judge that would probably be appointed by Bush on one hand, Kerry on the other. For me, that differentiates the two parties enough to warrant making a choice between the two.

Again, the very implication is still that one of those justices is "better" than the other simply because of their ideology, thus the only "correct" answer that can be given varies depending upon what side of the political spectrum that one is on.

It's a worthless question to ask. It's based on nothing but the person's own political bias.

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