Legalize marijuana?

[keithy_19]

I've been reading the new Montel Williams book, 'Climbing Higher,' and as you may know he uses cannabis to relieve pain. After reading the chapter on his use of the drug, it seems pretty clear to me, that this country should legalize the use of marijuana for medical uses only. There are lots of people out there her are suffering because of illness and if ingesting this drug makes them more comfortable, then why not?

Discuss.

http://64.177.177.182/katylina/keithheart.jpg
Thanks to katylina...

[Furtherman]

Remeber I dropped my keys and you thought the phone was ringing?

<IMG SRC="http://www.chaoticconcepts.com/randomizer/random.php?uid=7">
...with thanks to JustJon

[TheGameHHH]

i'm all for the legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes.

<IMG SRC="http://home.comcast.net/~rmfallon/RFnetHHH.jpg">

[Patches]

I don't smoke it, and I am for legalizing it, for any purpose.

It's not a gateway drug. It is no worse than drinking alcohol. Get the fuck over it.

<img src=http://img24.photobucket.com/albums/v72/bcqueens/p_sig.jpg>
<i>Courtesy of Monsterone</i>
<b>FUCK THIS GAME</B>
<i>I tried to change, but I changed my mind. I think I'll have another glass of Mexican wine</i> -FOW

[Tall_James]

If they legalize marijuana they'd better lower the price of Twinkies.


<img src=http://home.comcast.net/~jamesgpatton/tj2_sig.gif>
monsterone makes the best sigs

[Iamnotatool]

In a word: Yeah

<img src=http://thereisnogod.faithweb.com/images/iamnotatool.gif>
Please don't hold my huge nutbag against me, or I'll hold it against you that you have flapjack tits

[mercury29]

Legalize it already! Why is this still such a major cause for panic in this country? I don't even smoke anymore and think it 's fine

[TheMojoPin]

I don't smoke it anymore, but I say go for it.

I don't think there should be out and out legalization, but if someone wants to smoke it at home or at an Amsterdam-style "hash bar," go right ahead.

And I don't think everyone should be able to "smoke 'n' drive." There's plenty of people who can, and just as many, if not more, who can't...just like alcohol. That's the biggest sticking point for me.

<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin">
2% << December boys got it BAD >> "You might tell some lies about the good times we've had/But I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

[SatCam]

What the fuck is wrong with Montel Williams that he has to ease the pain?

<img src=http://img18.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/sc_sig.jpg align=right><A HREF=http://www.satelitecam.tk>Ron and Fez Drops and Bits</A> | <a href=http://www.oldronandfezpages.tk>WNEW Ron and Fez Pages</a> | <a href=http://www.robanddan.tk/>RobandDan.tk</a> | Thanks Monsterone![color=white]

[ADF]

He's got some kinda disease. MS or something.

<center><img src = "http://thereisnogod.faithweb.com/images/adfpenguin.gif"><br>I'm so glad the cheat is not dead.</center>

[Arienette]

i think that all victimless crimes should be made legal. by definition, there's no victim, and i believe i human autonomy. if someone wants to fuck themselves up, it's none of my business or concern.

<center><img src="http://thereisnogod.faithweb.com/images/aricheat.gif" height=100 width=300</img><br>the moon, it leaves silver but never sleep
and then the silver turns to gray
oh, stay with me, arienette, until the wolves are away
</center>

[Snoogans]

I've been reading the new Montel Williams book, 'Climbing Higher,' and as you may know he uses cannabis to relieve pain. After reading the chapter on his use of the drug, it seems pretty clear to me, that this country should legalize the use of marijuana for medical uses only. There are lots of people out there her are suffering because of illness and if ingesting this drug makes them more comfortable, then why not?


well now maybe youd have a chick if you thought that a little earlier.

and btw, why are you the one person who is reading a book by montell williams

http://academ.hvcc.edu/~01885716/images/s_sig.jpg
http://www.snoogans.50megs.com/
Thanks monsterone Go SAUX!!!!!
Rollin down the Street, Smokin Endo, sippin on Gin & Juice Snoogans 1, Monitor 0

[Snoogans]

i think that all victimless crimes should be made legal. by definition, there's no victim, and i believe i human autonomy. if someone wants to fuck themselves up, it's none of my business or concern.

thats the problem. it isnt a victimless crime.
should the government legalize and control it, it would be, like cigarettes. buyt because its still illegal, people do die and get robbed and what not during the import process of the brick packed weeds. IE ghetto shit causes victims.

just legalize it so no one gets killed tryin to sneak it around

http://academ.hvcc.edu/~01885716/images/s_sig.jpg
http://www.snoogans.50megs.com/
Thanks monsterone Go SAUX!!!!!
Rollin down the Street, Smokin Endo, sippin on Gin & Juice Snoogans 1, Monitor 0

[keithy_19]

I have multiple sclerosis snoogans. Montel Williams also has multiple sclerosis. He wrote a book about it and his experiences with this disease. Thats why I am reading it.

http://64.177.177.182/katylina/keithheart.jpg
Thanks to katylina...

[Katylina]

why are you the one person who is reading a book by montell williams


Because they both suffer from the same thing, perhaps?


I agree. It should be legalized.

<center>
<marquee>Need you. Dream you. Find you. Taste you. Use you. Scar you. Fuck you. Break you. I hope that we die holding hands. I'm addicted to you-- don't you know that you're toxic?</marquee>
<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=katylina">
<a href="http://www.pagerealm.com/katylina/index.html" target=_new>Katylina's Web Page</a>
<br>
<br>
<b>Thank you to ADF, Fluff, monsterone and AG for making certain sigs for me!</b>

[Snoogans]

I have multiple sclerosis snoogans. Montel Williams also has multiple sclerosis. He wrote a book about it and his experiences with this disease. Thats why I am reading it.

thats a fair answer to a fair question

but goin by your logic then, shouldnt all fat people read Oprah books?

http://academ.hvcc.edu/~01885716/images/s_sig.jpg
http://www.snoogans.50megs.com/
Thanks monsterone Go SAUX!!!!!
Rollin down the Street, Smokin Endo, sippin on Gin & Juice Snoogans 1, Monitor 0

[Arienette]

i think that all victimless crimes should be made legal. by definition, there's no victim, and i believe i human autonomy. if someone wants to fuck themselves up, it's none of my business or concern.

thats the problem. it isnt a victimless crime.
should the government legalize and control it, it would be, like cigarettes. buyt because its still illegal, people do die and get robbed and what not during the import process of the brick packed weeds. IE ghetto shit causes victims.

just legalize it so no one gets killed tryin to sneak it around
while you're right that legalizing marajuana would eliminate a lot of the drug related violence, marajuana use is a victimless crime. the rest of it is the byproduct of having a regime that prohibits use. they're not the same things.

<center><img src="http://thereisnogod.faithweb.com/images/aricheat.gif" height=100 width=300</img><br>the moon, it leaves silver but never sleep
and then the silver turns to gray
oh, stay with me, arienette, until the wolves are away
</center>

[Snoogans]

marajuana use is a victimless crime. the rest of it is the byproduct of having a regime that prohibits use. they're not the same things.

though i get where your goin, you cant tell me no one gets money taken from them by their kid for weed or something.
plus, tryin owing someone weed money for a couple months and lets see if you dont get your ass kicked


http://academ.hvcc.edu/~01885716/images/s_sig.jpg
http://www.snoogans.50megs.com/
Thanks monsterone Go SAUX!!!!!
Rollin down the Street, Smokin Endo, sippin on Gin & Juice Snoogans 1, Monitor 0

This message was edited by Snoogans on 3-4-04 @ 7:23 PM

[Katylina]

shouldnt all fat people read Oprah books?


No, they should rent Sweating to the Oldies.




<center>
<marquee>Need you. Dream you. Find you. Taste you. Use you. Scar you. Fuck you. Break you. I hope that we die holding hands. I'm addicted to you-- don't you know that you're toxic?</marquee>
<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=katylina">
<a href="http://www.pagerealm.com/katylina/index.html" target=_new>Katylina's Web Page</a>
<br>
<br>
<b>Thank you to ADF, Fluff, monsterone and AG for making certain sigs for me!</b>

[Jennitalia]

Legalize it, dammit!!

<IMG SRC="http://www.chaoticconcepts.com/bans/jensig2.gif">

[keithy_19]

I think it should be legalized, but only for medical purposes. There's enough drugs that get abused out there as it is.

http://64.177.177.182/katylina/keithheart.jpg
Thanks to katylina...

[Snoogans]

There's enough drugs that get abused out there as it is.

here is where you come off naive. first off, weed is nothing like the majority of the drugs that get abused.
#2, by legalizing for all use, the government controls and obviously, taxes it, making it more watchable, safer, regulatable, and would stand to make the country a whole hell of alotta money

http://academ.hvcc.edu/~01885716/images/s_sig.jpg
http://www.snoogans.50megs.com/
Thanks monsterone Go SAUX!!!!!
Rollin down the Street, Smokin Endo, sippin on Gin & Juice Snoogans 1, Monitor 0

[Katylina]

Anyone want some Vicadin?

<center>
<marquee>Need you. Dream you. Find you. Taste you. Use you. Scar you. Fuck you. Break you. I hope that we die holding hands. I'm addicted to you-- don't you know that you're toxic?</marquee>
<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=katylina">
<a href="http://www.pagerealm.com/katylina/index.html" target=_new>Katylina's Web Page</a>
<br>
<br>
<b>Thank you to ADF, Fluff, monsterone and AG for making certain sigs for me!</b>

[Mike Teacher]

I think it should be legalized, but only for medical purposes.


Gotcha; I believe the correct term here would be de-criminalization, not legalization.

States have tried; but as of today in the year 2004, it is, at the federal level; illegal to possess any quantity of pot, anywhere.

Q: Would it surprise any if they knew there are people now, as we speak, serving Life without the Possibility for Parole, for selling pot?

<IMG SRC="http://members.aol.com/miketeachr/newsig">

[TheMojoPin]

No, because the "three strikes" and "mandatory minimums" stories haven't been exactly buried on the backpages.

<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin">
2% << December boys got it BAD >> "You might tell some lies about the good times we've had/But I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

[reeshy]

NO...I'll be watching you!!!!!!!!!!

[center]<IMG SRC=http://img18.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/mbt_sig.jpg>
[center] I CAN'T GIVE IT AWAY ON 7TH AVENUE!!
Thanks to Monsterone

[phixion]

there are numerous threads about this topic i know i started one when i first joined thsi board and i know its been in the political forum at least twice.

anyway, it should be legalized. heres some facts for you:

the percentage of adolescents who have tried marijuana in amsterdam is far lower than the percentage of adolescents who have tried marijuana in this country. so just because its legal doesnt mean that kids will begin smoking chronic all of a sudden.

marijuana is a far less addictive substance than tobacco and alcohol. last time i checked, less than 2% of marijuana users were addicted. at least 5% were alcohol users were addicted to alcohol, and over 20% of tobacco users were addicted to stoges.

there is no significant proof that weed is a gateway drug. that has more to do with the individual than the drug.

and decriminalization saves NY city millions of dollars a year. and actually creates revenue since possession warrants a summons and a fine, not jail time.

want more reasons?

heres my favorite: there is no reason someone selling weed needs to be put in the same prison as rapists and murderers.

<IMG SRC="http://img18.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/phx_sig.gif">
"Everybody wanna be like Mike but Mike wanna be like L"
Monsterone, many much thanks.

This message was edited by phixion on 3-4-04 @ 10:20 PM

[monsterone]

but i thought you look down on pot smokers, keith...

<center><img border=1 src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=monsterone01"><br></center>

<center>
<font color=green size=5>MO¥+ErO¥E.</font>
moe & steels, you
are greatly missed... you too
horde king
<font color=black>"what did the five fingers say to the face?"</center>
[color=White]

[JPMNICK]

NO he GOES down on pot smokers.

[keithy_19]

I am against people smoking marijuana just because. It doesn't make you a bad person or anything like that, I just think it's a stupid thing to do. I only feal people who are in serious pain should be able to use it.

http://64.177.177.182/katylina/keithheart.jpg
Thanks to katylina...

[JPMNICK]

Keith, here is a good question. If they could take the stuff out of weed that gets you high, THC, and put it in a pill, would that change your opinion of it? As someone who has MS( by the way I donated money to an MS foundation today) would you personally smoke to make yourself feel better?

[phixion]

just curious, smoking stoges is stupid should we illegalize that?

and another question, what or who decides what pain is? i go through shit, that hurts every day of my life but its the emotional pain of having family leave my life. its not physical, but trust me its pain. i didnt become a full fledged pothead until i lost those people. does that qalify me as to smoke?

if not screw you ima do it anyway.



<IMG SRC="http://img18.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/phx_sig.gif">
"Everybody wanna be like Mike but Mike wanna be like L"
Monsterone, many much thanks.

[monsterone]

keith, you really seem to have the world figured out, even though you've never had a lil stink on your finger or even tried a drug.



<center><img border=1 src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=monsterone01"><br></center>

<center>
<font color=green size=5>MO¥+ErO¥E.</font>
moe & steels, you
are greatly missed... you too
horde king
<font color=black>"what did the five fingers say to the face?"</center>
[color=White]

[Snoogans]

keith, your fighting way too many people on this.

you wanna know why we smoke "just because", by a sac, light up, and youll know in about 5 min


http://academ.hvcc.edu/~01885716/images/s_sig.jpg
http://www.snoogans.50megs.com/
Thanks monsterone Go SAUX!!!!!
Rollin down the Street, Smokin Endo, sippin on Gin & Juice Snoogans 1, Monitor 0

[TheGameHHH]

you wanna know why we smoke "just because", by a sac, light up, and youll know in about 5 min
preach on brotha Snoogans...........that's why i like this kid

but seriously, who calls it a sac?!

<IMG SRC="http://home.comcast.net/~rmfallon/RFnetHHH.jpg">

[monsterone]

got nichs over, got nichs over...

<center><img border=1 src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=monsterone01"><br></center>

<center>
<font color=green size=7>MO¥+ErO¥E.</font>
moe & steels, you
are greatly missed... you too
horde king
<font color=black>"what did the five fingers say to the face?"</center>
[color=White]

[phixion]

who calls it a sac?!


sack, bag i use both.

<IMG SRC="http://img18.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/phx_sig.gif">
"Everybody wanna be like Mike but Mike wanna be like L"
Monsterone, many much thanks.

[CruelCircus]

Seems to me there are much more effective, and legal, ways to deal with pain than pot. Given that, I think touting "medicinal only" marijuana is a little silly and a cop-out.
If you're going to back it, back it all the way- don't be half-assed about it. Marijuana should be legalized, regulated, and most importantly, taxed.

And I don't even smoke it.


<br>
<img src="http://pw2.netcom.com/~jjmace/gifs/cruel.jpg"><br><br>
It's your life.
How do you like it so far?

[DJEvelEd]

When I hurt my back, the doctor gave me Oxycontin, Perciset, and Steroids for my pain. When my IDRC class started piss testing me I told them I would rather smoke marijuana for my back pain. They told my I couldn't and I would fail the class if I did. They would rather have me doing the deadly synthetic heroin pills. Go figure!

When I went out to California to film the Cannibis Clubs, I saw many sick people with cancer and AIDS who really needed their marijuana medicine. Some of these people were vomiting all the time and the "stupid" doctors would give them a pill to take for nausea. IF YOU'RE THROWING UP ALL THE TIME, HOW ARE YOU GONNA KEEP DOWN A PILL!!! So they got "smart" doctors to perscibe or "recommend" pot so they could join these clubs. They used marijuana in smokable form to give them an appetite. I'm all for medical marijuana because I would be able to get a script. So can you if you have headaches, back pain, PMS, nausea, ect... ;)

Montel Williams has M.S., lives in NJ and is helping to get a medical marijuana law passed in NJ. There is a bill in legislature now.

http://www.nextplayvideo.com/flagboy.jpg

Thanks Katylina, Monsterone, you make the shittiest sigs.
<IMG SRC="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=djeveled">
SPONSORED BY: "THE F’CESTOF C’SAR" BY ’SOP c464 B.C.
HAS ANYONE SEEN MY GAPING ANUS?

[KCfromDC]

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2003-07-17/flicks_watcher-1.jpg


Who put up the sticker in the locker room that says, "Legalize It"?

<IMG SRC="http://www.top-dead-center.com/sigs/scarfacesig.jpg">

[Arienette]

just curious, smoking stoges is stupid should we illegalize that?well, i'm not sure that "illegalize" is a word, but i agree. while i'm no expert on this, i believe that smoking cigarettes is more harmful than smoking pot. yet, cigarettes are highly regulated, but legal. alcohol is also very dangerous, and it, too, is regulated but legal. that's how pot should be.

i just think that there are much more important things that we sould be spening our time and energies on as a society than this.

<center><img src="http://thereisnogod.faithweb.com/images/aricheat.gif" height=100 width=300</img><br>the moon, it leaves silver but never sleep
and then the silver turns to gray
oh, stay with me, arienette, until the wolves are away
</center>

[phixion]

i just think that there are much more important things that we sould be spening our time and energies on as a society than this.


watch buffy's second season finale high and then say that!

<IMG SRC="http://img18.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/phx_sig.gif">
"Everybody wanna be like Mike but Mike wanna be like L"
Monsterone, many much thanks.

[Emeril_Dice]

YOU SMOKE THE BIG SAUSAGE, DON'T YA KID? WHAT DO YOU THINK MY ESSENSE IS???

<img src="http://academ.hvcc.edu/~01885716/images/ed.jpg">

[zoom2457]

They should de-criminalize it for everyone, but in the very least de-criminalize it for medical purposes.

I love those anti-pot ads, that smoking pot will cause you to run over children or let them run around next to the swimming pool or just plain leave them home alone. It's soooo fucking stupid.

"Excuse me, excuse me I believe you have my stapler"

[keithy_19]

Keith, here is a good question. If they could take the stuff out of weed that gets you high, THC, and put it in a pill, would that change your opinion of it? As someone who has MS( by the way I donated money to an MS foundation today) would you personally smoke to make yourself feel better?

First off, thanks for donating money. As a MS patient, who was in severe pain, which thank God I'm not in right now, yes. I would smoke it. And if they took out the stuff that gets you high, would it still releive pain?

The reason I don't smoke weed or drink, is because it is harmful to your body. When you take a hit, you DO kill brain cells. When you drink alcohol and get drunk like kids due in highschool, you lose brain cells. The way I figure it is I don't want to mess up my body anymore then it already is. Even if it's only a tiny little bit harmful. If I was in such severe pain that I could think straight, then I would smoke it.

http://64.177.177.182/katylina/keithheart.jpg
Thanks to katylina...

[Mike Teacher]

yet, cigarettes are highly regulated, but legal.


Legal, yet utterly un-regulated by the FDA. The Nicotine, certainly.

Kessler tried, believe me. It was simple enough; The FDA classifies a drug, loosely, as something you ingest that is not necesary for life, as opposed to food. If Nicotine classified as a drug, as Kessler argued, it would fall under the umbrella of jurisdiction of FDA regulation, and it would not only be the FDA's resposibility, but Duty, to step in and regulate.

From an article in Reason [great Magazine]

Recognizing that Congress could not have intended the law to sweep so broadly, the pre-Kessler FDA had always taken the position that it would not regulate cigarettes as drugs unless a manufacturer made explicit health claims. If cigarettes were drugs within the meaning of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, the FDA would have to certify them as safe and effective--something it obviously could not do. It thus would seem to have little alternative but to ban them.

After Kessler said the FDA might regulate tobacco products, Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), then chairman of the House Subcommittee on Health and the Environment, told the Los Angeles Times that, without congressional action, "the FDA is going to have only one option: ban cigarettes." Kessler seemed to agree, saying Congress had to "provide clear direction to the agency."

May the Feds Regulate Cigarettes? (http://reason.com/opeds/jacob0723.shtml)

[Edit: An Update on the above]

Senators push Bill for FDA to Regulate Cigarettes (http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/20/Worldandnation/Senators_push_bill_al.shtml)

This message was edited by Mike Teacher on 3-5-04 @ 11:27 PM

[Mike Teacher]

The reason I don't smoke weed or drink, is because it is harmful to your body.


Fair Enough, But realize, and this is a very incomplete list:

Hot Dogs
Dry Cleaning
Gasoline
Leather Clothes and products
Eating Fish
Many Household Cleaning Products
Batteries
Many Paints and Dyes
Almost all of your Produce
Fat
The Sun

all contain know Carcinogens; some are added, by law.

<IMG SRC="http://members.aol.com/miketeachr/newsig">

[Snoogans]

Mike, can i add to that Breathing anywhere in NJ or near NYC or Philly

http://academ.hvcc.edu/~01885716/images/s_sig.jpg
http://www.snoogans.50megs.com/
Thanks monsterone Go SAUX!!!!!
Rollin down the Street, Smokin Endo, sippin on Gin & Juice Snoogans 1, Monitor 0

This message was edited by Snoogans on 3-5-04 @ 11:48 PM

[Arienette]

Legal, yet utterly un-regulated by the FDA. sorry, what i meant to say was that the sale of cigarettes is regulated. and, in recent years, they have gotten much more strict about enforcing the age minimums. same goes for alcohol.

<center><img src="http://thereisnogod.faithweb.com/images/aricheat.gif" height=100 width=300</img><br>the moon, it leaves silver but never sleep
and then the silver turns to gray
oh, stay with me, arienette, until the wolves are away
</center>

[East Side Dave]

The reason I don't smoke weed or drink, is because it is harmful to your body.


Fair Enough, But realize, and this is a very incomplete list:

Hot Dogs....
Batteries...


I don't know anyone who uses batteries in their bodies besides Frankenstein and I think the FDA already has a ban on man-made monsters!!

<img src=http://www.richstillwell.com/ESD.gif>
Big Ass Mafia

Click this link (http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/thenight/ppr/index.shtml) to hear my show on Jersey's 90.5 The Night FM; (weeknights)-
Sunday night/Monday morning through Thursday night/Friday morning- 3 to 5 AM.

[shamus mcfitzy]

i say that we should probably lagalize marijuana and regulate it like we do cigarettes. I personally hate the smell of pot smoke, so i don't want it near me. So maybe you should only be able to smoke pot at home or in pot dens like someone mentioned before.

and we should probably lay off of Keith until he says something stupid. He never even outwardly insulted pot smokers in this thread as far as i saw.

and ESD is king of all men. Period