The conspiracy is so thick its chocking... [Archive]

jeffdwright2001

03-11-2004, 05:20 AM

Sickening. McDonalds gets to make our country fatter with impunity...fuck you US Government...SO many important issues right now out there and we're spending time trying to protect Burger King from litigation...

Just another way to keep our citizens fat, lazy and scared.

I'm confused. Are you saying that there SHOULD be lawsuits against Fast Food restaurants? I don't understand the logic in that.

The freedom of choice that NEEDS to be allowed a person to either listen to a particular radio station or not, should be the same freedom of deciding whether to have an order of french fries and whether they should be small, biggie, or gigantic.

Tall_James

03-11-2004, 05:27 AM

You should be allowed to sue fast food restaurants. But not for obesity lawsuits. That's just frivolous.

You should be allowed to sue if you find a used condom or part of a finger in your Happy Meal.

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FMJeff

03-11-2004, 05:27 AM

I am saying the the people should be allowed to sue whoever they want and the courts should decide whether or not the suit has merit....not the government. What about my freedom to bring litigation against anyone who has impuned on my rights or broken the law!??

And how far does this protection go? If I get food poisoning from poor restaurant cleanliness, can I sue?

If I find a body part in my Egg Mc Muffin, can I notify the Board of Health and bring action against them?

Why should Fast Food Companies get a break? What make them so special? Why not airlines? Car Manufacturers?

Furthermore, why is the government focusing on this right now?????? Will the country go under if the fast food industry collapses? Are people not buying Big Macs anymore? These companies have the money...with the substandard meats and vegetables they use in thier cooking, the profit margins are insane.

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TheTotalOne

03-11-2004, 05:43 AM

The reason that they passed legislation over this is that the court system is backed up like Elvis right now, and to waste time with lawsuits like this is ridiculous. The fast food companies are providing customers with a legal product, and they shouldn't have to worry about people who have no self control. Next thing you know, they'll limit the amount of food you can order like a bartender can limit your drinks. It's a stupid thing to have to legislate, but there are people who sue over everything these days, and that's why you have dumb shit like this. It's the few maniacs who ruin things for everyone else, just like with the new FCC regulations. Most people know the crackdown is ridiculous, but a few fat housewives with nothing to do get offended and instead of turning off their radio other people have to bend over backwards to not offend them. People should take responsibility for their own actions. You know that fast food is not going to be nutritious, so don't eat so much of it that you have to get your stomach stapled......TWICE.

Se7en

03-11-2004, 06:09 AM

Just another way to keep our citizens fat, lazy and scared.

Yes, because it can't possibly be the fault of the INDIVIDUAL for not being able to keep the cheeseburger out of their fat mouths.

I am saying the the people should be allowed to sue whoever they want and the courts should decide whether or not the suit has merit....not the government.

Since you're all about the government not stepping into civil litigation, do you then not support the government for wanting to impose caps on malpractice suits, which have contributed VERY significantly to the health care cost problem in this country?

And you can't count on the courts dismissing frivolous lawsuits. Judges are sometimes as crazy as juries are.

What about my freedom to bring litigation against anyone who has impuned on my rights or broken the law!??

a.) What law has been broken here?

b.) There is absolutely ZERO right under the constitution to bring a CIVIL lawsuit against anyone. Nor should there be.

And how far does this protection go? If I get food poisoning from poor restaurant cleanliness, can I sue?

You're just being pissy now. The legislation is to prevent lawsuits of the "I"m a big fatass, and that's McDonald's / Burger King / insert fast food co. here fault because their quarter pounders are so tasty!" Things like food poisoning should still be covered under existing tort law.

If I find a body part in my Egg Mc Muffin, can I notify the Board of Health and bring action against them?

Yes, of course.

You just can't eat the entire Egg McMuffin and then come back and say in court, "Oh, I didn't know eating one of them a day for 8 years straight would give me heart disease!"

Why should Fast Food Companies get a break? What make them so special? Why not airlines? Car Manufacturers?

Airlines & car manufacturers already get plenty of breaks from the government. Hell, the government bailed out quite a few people in the airline industry after 9/11.

This is to prevent frivolous lawsuits against that will eat away at the already strained time of the courts.

Furthermore, why is the government focusing on this right now?????? Will the country go under if the fast food industry collapses?

Do you know how many THOUSANDS of bills are introduced into Congress EVERY year? It won't hurt them to take a few days to debate this and vote on it.

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TheMojoPin

03-11-2004, 08:18 AM

One again, I agree with Se7en.

And once again, my forked tail grows a little longer.

DAMN YOU.

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Snoogans

03-11-2004, 08:21 AM

I am saying the the people should be allowed to sue whoever they want and the courts should decide whether or not the suit has merit....not the government. What about my freedom to bring litigation against anyone who has impuned on my rights or broken the law!??

but how did mcdonald's break the law. if you dont wanna eat it, dont go there, because you willingly bought a big mac, you cant be mad if it gives you a heart attack.
these frivalous lawsuits against the country cost the government and system more time and money than just banning them, and EVERYONE of them for obesity has 0 merit.

you dont wanna be fat, put the burger down and go get a salad

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03-11-2004, 08:22 AM

If I find a body part in my Egg Mc Muffin, can I notify the Board of Health and bring action against them?

you can still sue for that. they only outlawed the lawsuits where you claim they made you fat, anything like forgeign objects in food is still actionable

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TooCute

03-11-2004, 08:59 AM

you dont wanna be fat, put the burger down and go get a salad

Although I think I just heard about a study that said McDonald's salads were worse for you than their burgers!!

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jeffdwright2001

03-11-2004, 09:05 AM

I think TooCute biggie sized her post.

Snoogans

03-11-2004, 09:09 AM

i didnt mean mcdonalds salad. i meant like a grilled chicken of chef's salad from a good deli or something

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JustJon

03-11-2004, 09:37 AM

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03-11-2004, 09:57 AM

It won't get through the Senate.

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furie

03-11-2004, 01:55 PM

What about my freedom to bring litigation against anyone who has impuned on my rights or broken the law!??

still in place.

I agree with this legislation. Frivolous lawsuits choke the judicial system. They sell fatty foods. Cigarettes can kill. Alcohol can kill. There shouldn't be a surprise. This isn't like the Ford Pinto suits where people were told and thought they were getting a safe car and then it blew up and killed them.

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03-13-2004, 10:15 AM

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DarkHippie

03-13-2004, 12:19 PM

What concerns me is that this is the second incident in as many weeks where an individuals right to use the court system has been taken away.

The first was in the south (i forget which state). a handicapped person had to appear in court, the court was not hadicapp accessable. Said person had to crawl up the stairs to her hearing.

She tried to sue for her suffering, but the state said that it was immune to civil suits, (i forget the term they used, it was soveriegn something)

in effect, they're are taking away advocacy groups main weapon for change.

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furie

03-13-2004, 12:30 PM

it was Tennessee.

that;s a little diffrent since that's a state issue, the mcdonald's law is federal.

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NewYorkDragons80

03-13-2004, 02:46 PM

I'm confused.
What's there to be confused about? Anything Jeff doesn't like = United States coming closer to Orwellian police state.

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Se7en

03-13-2004, 07:12 PM

That pretty much sums it up, yep.

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Arienette

03-14-2004, 06:02 AM

you dont wanna be fat, put the burger down and go get a saladeven if you didn't mean a mcdonald's salad, i think they should have to answer for what toocute was talking about. if someone gets a salad at mcdonald's, it seems reasonable that they should expect that they're eating something healthier than a bigmac. if it's a fattening salad, they should tell you that. furthermore, at a lot of nicer restaurants, they serve salads that are very, very fattening. and people get these thinking that they are doing something good.

She tried to sue for her suffering, but the state said that it was immune to civil suits, (i forget the term they used, it was soveriegn something)soveriegn immunity. and that's an awful, awful story. i would have thought that all government buildings would be equipped with handicap accessible entrances. even if they can't be sued, maybe this incident will encourage them to at least fix the problem.

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Tazz

03-14-2004, 07:46 AM

if it's a fattening salad, they should tell you that.

I think it's the dressings that are fattening. I had the Chicken Ranch salad last week. The salad was mostly lettuce, tomatos, carrots, and chicken. The dressing on the other hand, had 30 grams of fat. However, they don't put it on. It's in a little packet. So if you know how to read, you can tell the dressing is unhealthy and stick with the plain salad like I did.

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TheMojoPin

03-14-2004, 07:50 AM

I still can't tell if Jeff meant to say this conspiracy was "shocking" or "choking"...

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Arienette

03-14-2004, 09:32 AM

I think it's the dressings that are fattening. I had the Chicken Ranch salad last week. The salad was mostly lettuce, tomatos, carrots, and chicken. The dressing on the other hand, had 30 grams of fat. However, they don't put it on. It's in a little packet. So if you know how to read, you can tell the dressing is unhealthy and stick with the plain salad like I did.
good point, tazz. but, in the case of salads served at restaurants, the dressing pretty much always comes on the salad, unless you ask for it not to be. and, furthermore, a lot of those salads do have things in them other than the dressing that are fattening. things like taco salads and chinese chicken salads are often extremely fattening, and people don't realize it.

I still can't tell if Jeff meant to say this conspiracy was "shocking" or "choking"...my guess is that he was on the fence about it, so he decided to merge the two to really make his point.

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FUNKMAN

03-14-2004, 09:50 AM

it's probably chocking because it is 'full o nuts'...

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TheMojoPin

03-14-2004, 10:55 AM

things like taco salads and chinese chicken salads are often extremely fattening, and people don't realize it.

Anyone out there thinking something called a "taco salad" is healthy in the first place is probably already hopeless.

"Man, I'm glad all this cheese, ground beef and sour cream is GOOD for me!"

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East Side Dave

03-14-2004, 11:43 AM

I still can't tell if Jeff meant to say this conspiracy was "shocking" or "choking"...my guess is that he was on the fence about it, so he decided to merge the two to really make his point.

Maybe he meant Spocking! But not the alien! The fucking baby doctor!

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03-14-2004, 11:54 AM

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TheMojoPin

03-14-2004, 12:02 PM

Maybe he meant Spocking! But not the alien! The fucking baby doctor!

There's a doctor of fucking babies?

How many more years of school do you need for THAT?

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NewYorkDragons80

03-14-2004, 12:12 PM

Maybe he meant Spocking!
Or smocking?
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03-14-2004, 12:15 PM

How many more years of school do you need for THAT?
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03-14-2004, 12:59 PM

There's a doctor of fucking babies?

Absolutely!

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FMJeff

03-16-2004, 08:12 AM

The Federal Government should not have the power to tell people who I can or cannot bring litigation against. Its up for the courts to decide if the case has merit.

Will Big Tobacco get off next? Did anyone SEE the Insider? McDonalds makes incredibly unhealthy food leading to one of the biggest health crises in our country...obesity. If you make a product that's cheap and load it up with chemicals to make it tasty while at the same time slowly and inconspicuously deteriorating the health of American citizens then you are doing something wrong and I think you should have the right to argue that in court. Whether or not you'd win is a different story, but in this country filing a suit for something I feel is wrong is my right...and the government just took that away from me.

I can just imagine the Hamburgler meeting some nameless Senatorial aid in a Mickey D's somewhere in a DC Suburb slipping a paper bag of cash under the table.

Ugh.

And its CHOKING.

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03-16-2004, 09:09 AM

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Oh And Senator Leiberman...I was never here...this meeting never took place...is that understood?

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TheMojoPin

03-16-2004, 09:16 AM

Is it really comparable to "The Insider?"

The tobacco willfully deceived the country as to what cigarettes were doing to them.

Junk food has been "junk food" as long as I've been alive. They never tried to sell themselves as OK.

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03-16-2004, 09:41 AM

NewYorkDragons80

03-16-2004, 10:07 AM

McDonalds makes incredibly unhealthy food leading to one of the biggest health crises in our country...obesity.
OBESE BY WHAT STANDARDS???

According to the Surgeon General's BMI scale, Tom Cruise and Arnold Schwarzenegger are obese and George W Bush, Will Smith, Geroge Clooney, and Brad Pitt are overweight.

According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, 60% of the weight gained by children from 1976-1994 was not from a specific diet (let alone fast food), but rather an inactive lifestyle.

A much more convincing study was done by Dr. Lisa Sutherland of the University of North Carolina. According to her, obesity rose 10% between 1980 and 2000 while caloric intake rose only 1%.

More importantly, if you make a product and reveal its ingredients, you are absolved of responsibility. Period.

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ChickenHawk

03-16-2004, 10:20 AM

It's up to the individual comsumer's responsibility to decide whether or not to make themselves fat and unhealthy. Bottom fucking line.

These restuarants make all their ingredients and nutrition facts available to their customers. So if you can't moderate how much your sloppy ass comsumes, that's YOUR fucking problem, not Burger King's.

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JerryTaker

03-16-2004, 10:22 AM

I only disagree with you, Jeff, because I find litigation like this to be frivolous, and it only puts more money in the lawyers' pockets.

The bigger conspiracy is how the government is allowing big business to rape us unmercifully, Utilities, Cable, Telephone companies, even friggin' banks are choking us working folk to death while the idle rich reap the benefits.

Meanwhile, now the govenment wants to suck any entertainment out of the only free form of entertainment - radio, so we all have to start subscribing to more services and giving more of our hard - earned cash to big business.

now that's a choking conspiracy.

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NewYorkDragons80

03-16-2004, 10:25 AM

Meanwhile, now the govenment wants to suck any entertainment out of the only free form of entertainment - radio, so we all have to start subscribing to more services and giving more of our hard - earned cash to big business.
That's why you don't want the government to make consumers' decisions for you. You are either for both or against both.

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JerryTaker

03-16-2004, 10:31 AM

That's why you don't want the government to make consumers' decisions for you. You are either for both or against both.

They don't have to be consistant. they make the decisions that take the most money out of our pockets and into thiers, it doesn't matter how hypocritical they are when they do it, so why should I care?

I say give the consumer a break every so often, lay off on the vice already

EDIT: looking at this again, I don't even see where I advocated government making the consumer's choices for them, you're just assuming I'm being hypocritical, because I'm saying something you don't want to hear about the government

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TheMojoPin

03-16-2004, 11:25 AM

The tobacco willfully deceived the country as to what cigarettes were doing to them.

Junk food has been "junk food" as long as I've been alive. They never tried to sell themselves as OK.

Why do you think they added salads to the menu?

And cigarettes have always been bad for you as long as ive been alive...

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Of course there were. But they didn't have anything indicating how bad they were. No listing of ingrediants, no warning, nothing. Hell, half of the ads out there basically were saying smoking was good for you.

Junk food, on the other hand, has always been KNOWN to be bad for you my entire life, and specifically WHY. No guessing, no hiding of what you were ingesting...it was there. Granted, you had to request the nutritional listings, but you could get. It wasn't hidden and we weren't lied to.

Big tobacco and big grease aren't even close.

And NYD, forget the stats...just look around you. The country is getting fatter and fatter.

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Se7en

03-16-2004, 11:47 AM

Anyone out there thinking something called a "taco salad" is healthy in the first place is probably already hopeless.

I don't eat taco salad, but actually, they aren't worth that many Weight Watcher points. You could eat a taco salad for dinner, say, and provided that your breakfast / lunch was sensible, you'd be fine. Although I highly recommend you get rid of some of the excess fat, like the sour cream. (A little cheese & beef won't hurt you - provided that they're in reasonable quantities)

The Federal Government should not have the power to tell people who I can or cannot bring litigation against. Its up for the courts to decide if the case has merit.

The right to sue someone for a civil grievance is NOT a fundament right under the Constitution. Hell, it's not even an unenumerated right that's been incorporated into the Constitution. You only have a RIGHT to have your day in court if it's a criminal action against you.

And the government CAN have a say in this, because they have a legitimate interest in doing so: public policy.

McDonalds makes incredibly unhealthy food leading to one of the biggest health crises in our country...obesity. If you make a product that's cheap and load it up with chemicals to make it tasty while at the same time slowly and inconspicuously deteriorating the health of American citizens then you are doing something wrong and I think you should have the right to argue that in court.

Your analogy is not perfect, because there is a huge difference between the two: I don't recall ANYONE in the fast food industry claiming that their fast food was part of a *healthy* diet. It's not as if they came out and said "Eating a Big Mac is GOOD for you!", which is unlike the cigarette companies who, in times past, not only hid evidence that their products were harmful but actually implied that smoking was a perfectly fine and non-dangerous activity.

Mojo is exactly correct. It's ALWAYS been known that fast food joints sell food that is high in fat content. And no one has EVER denied that. The worst they've done is say, "Hey, our food is tasty!" That's it. They've never implied that eating their products are part of a proper diet.

Cigarette companies DID deceive people.

It's absolutely morally repugnant that fat people would even have the opportunity to profit from their complete and utter lack of willpower or personal responsibility.

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A.J.

03-16-2004, 01:01 PM

The country is getting fatter and fatter.

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furie

03-16-2004, 01:08 PM

The Federal Government should not have the power to tell people who I can or cannot bring litigation against. Its up for the courts to decide if the case has merit.

I think you mean congress, since the courts are part of the federal government. at least the ones who would have decided this case are.

That's why you don't want the government to make consumers' decisions for you. You are either for both or against both.

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FMJeff

03-16-2004, 01:54 PM

Yup, you'll think that way till some asshole sues you for something stupid and even though you are righ the legal bills will be thousands of dollars.

If he's got a case, bring it on...if he doesn't...well i can sue him right back to recoup legal fees.

Suing rules. There. That's my arguement. Don't take my sue away, Uncle Sam.

Nobody addressed my point about salads. WHY add salads to your menu if for nothing else than to show the consumer that you have a healthy menu. Isn't that the whole idea of a salad, perceptually?

And yes, McDonalds DOES try to claim its healthy...

CLICK HERE FOR MCDONALDS ATTEMPTS TO GO HEALTHY (http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/01/19/mcdonalds_canada_to_offer_lighter_menu/)

Q: Why do McDonald's not have a Nutrition department?

A: "... It is not felt to be important enough to have a separate nutritional department like McDonald's have marketing or communications departments."
Ed Oakley, Chief Purchasing Officer and Vice-President of McDonald's UK in the witness box in the McLibel Trial

HERE'S SOME MORE INFO ABOUT EVIL MCDONALDS (http://www.mcshit.co.uk/index.mcd?article=mclibel)

http://www.ainfos.ca/01/aug/ainfos00208.html (MCDONALDS plant contains toxic chemicals)

Libel case against mcDonalds (http://www.oikos.org/ecology/mcdonald.htm)

A quote from the above article "So Steel and Morris argued that McDonald's food can be linked to heart disease and cancer - McDonald's said that they produced perfectly healthy meals. "

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03-16-2004, 04:01 PM

EDIT: looking at this again, I don't even see where I advocated government making the consumer's choices for them, you're just assuming I'm being hypocritical, because I'm saying something you don't want to hear about the government
It was directed at Jeff, not you.

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03-16-2004, 04:08 PM

And NYD, forget the stats...just look around you. The country is getting fatter and fatter
But is it getting fatter because of fast food or inactivity? I say inactivity. And even if it was fast food, I don't want the government stamping out consumer freedom.

When it comes to gay marriage it's "It doesn't affect me, why should I care." The same logic applies to this. If you feel a business is undeserving of your patronage, don't use their products.

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Doomstone

03-16-2004, 04:11 PM

When it comes to gay marriage it's "It doesn't affect me, why should I care." The same logic applies to this. If you feel a business is undeserving of your patronage, don't use their products.

I must have missed the part where someone proposed a constitutional amendment banning fast food...

NewYorkDragons80

03-16-2004, 04:28 PM

This bill prevents people from pursuing their choice in food consumption, the same way that a consitutional amendment banning gay marriage prevents people from pursuing choice in their personal life.

For those of us who don't have an unhealthy obsession with Bush, the issues clearly go hand in hand. Don't like it? Don't eat it/Don't walk down the aisle.

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Doomstone

03-16-2004, 04:43 PM

Huh? What bill "prevents people from pursuing their choice in food consumption?"

HBox

03-16-2004, 04:57 PM

Suing rules.

That was exactly my thought when a hospital almost took our house because the lawyer handling the case decided it was "too late" and didn't provide our insurance company with the paperwork they needed to process the claim and settle the account. Apparently, suing ruled so much they declined to accept payment and instead go to court. That was a real fun time in my life.

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furie

03-16-2004, 05:43 PM

WHY add salads to your menu if for nothing else than to show the consumer that you have a healthy menu

umm maybe because people like to eat salads and mcdonalds sells things that people like to eat.

not that sinister

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03-16-2004, 06:45 PM

Not bill, lawsuits

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Doomstone

03-16-2004, 07:04 PM

But they don't.

And I don't think McDonald's should be held responsible for fat people being fat. In a perfect world people wouldn't eat that shit to begin with, but since Americans have horrible taste - fast food, Budweiser beer, reality TV - it's just not something that's in danger of going away, unfortunately.

Anyway, the legislative branch should not be deciding who can and can't be sued. It should be left up to the judiciary.

FMJeff

03-16-2004, 08:27 PM

Why is this an American thing only? McDonalds is all around the world...how about people eat McDonalds because it is FAST, CHEAP and CONVENIENT...three things which work well in a society buckling under the pressure of time and economics. WHAT ELSE IS AVAILABLE ON YOUR WAY HOME FROM WORKING AN 18 HOUR DAY? The least you can do is provide a product that is healthy so people who don't have the time can eat healthy.

That was exactly my thought when a hospital almost took our house because the lawyer handling the case decided it was "too late" and didn't provide our insurance company with the paperwork they needed to process the claim and settle the account. Apparently, suing ruled so much they declined to accept payment and instead go to court. That was a real fun time in my life.

Geez, way to make it personal there HBOX. Let's not make this about you, ok? We're talking about Big Macs here....not your home...

But is it getting fatter because of fast food or inactivity? I say inactivity.

It's not any ONE thing...its probably all of them....but if you can cut out one...wouldn't that help? Bill Maher said it on his show tonite....high fructose corn syrup consumption in this country has gone up 4000% since the 1970's....68 pounds per person per year...

How can you escape it unless you cook fresh food every day that you purchase from the grocery and who has time for that? Who has the energy for that? I love to see what all of you out there look like who say "its all about willpower...if you dont wanna get fat, don't eat it"...hey..I have all the willpower in the world too...but i don't have the time or energy to cook myself a freshly prepared meal every day...sometimes I opt for convenience because its easier on me not to have to deal with that...i would like to see the perfect specimens out there who can honestly say they have the willpower to not eat garbage food...

Trust me...for most of you...YOU DO...and you're probably not at the weight you want to be...not because your a BAD PERSON...OR WEAK...but because you're BUSY with lots of important shit that supercedes eating right every day...and you'll walk into a 711, or a McDonalds...or a Burger King...or open a bag of chips..and you have NO CHOICE but to buy thier cheap, substandard, unhealthy yet extremely tasty meals because you're fucking hungry.

That's American.

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03-16-2004, 08:27 PM

NYD, where did it come up that anyone here was talking about punishing fast food companies for making the food they make?

You presented stats that seemed to indicate that people weren't obese, I said look around and see all the fat people.

I don't know how you got from point B to point Z in a single leap. I just think fat people shouldn't sue McDonald's for making them fat.

And as for there being "no choice" but junk food, there are 24-hour grovery stores open everywhere in this country. I can find healthy food easily, close to me and any time of the day or night.

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HBox

03-16-2004, 08:56 PM

Geez, way to make it personal there HBOX. Let's not make this about you, ok? We're talking about Big Macs here....not your home...

Stop staying stuff like suing rules. It doesn't. It's a horrible situation even when it's necessary. And don't act like suing these corporations doesn't mean anything. People lose their jobs over frivolous lawsuits. Lawyers cost shitloads of money, even when you just take the time to get a frivolous lawsuit thrown out.

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FMJeff

03-17-2004, 04:55 AM

And as for there being "no choice" but junk food, there are 24-hour grovery stores open everywhere in this country. I can find healthy food easily, close to me and any time of the day or night.

Sure but do you want to PREPARE it at 9 at night when you're hungry? A lot of people don't...

I mean when's the last time you ate raw food just for the health of it? I mean maybe you have, but a lot of people don't like the flavor of unprepared food...I personally think it tastes like ass...G-d did not make vegetables tasty on thier own...even salads require dressing for it to be palatable...

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Teenweek

03-17-2004, 05:01 AM

If you don't want to be fat, Stay the fuck out of Mcdonald's.

FMJeff

03-17-2004, 05:11 AM

Stop staying stuff like suing rules. It doesn't. It's a horrible situation even when it's necessary. And don't act like suing these corporations doesn't mean anything. People lose their jobs over frivolous lawsuits. Lawyers cost shitloads of money, even when you just take the time to get a frivolous lawsuit thrown out.

Lawsuits have corrected MANY MANY wrongs in our society that couldn't have been done any other way. It seems the only way to affect change in big business is to hit them in thier pocket books. I hate to sound unsympathetic about your unfortunate experience with the law, but there are MANY people out there who would say otherwise.

Talk to Erin Brockovich...or Jan Schlichtmann...

The tobacco willfully deceived the country as to what cigarettes were doing to them.

There are some who would say suing Big Tobacco is ridiculous, even if they wilfully deceived the people of the dangers of cigarettes...I mean...nobody put a gun to thier head to smoke either...

Where do you draw the line when it comes to corporate responsibility of the product they sell?

Do you really want the federal government to tell you where it is?

MCDonalds calls itself a restaurant...in fact most fast food chains call themselves "restaurants".... why are they the only "restaurants" that can stay in fucking business serving a hamburger that looks like its been run over by a steam roller? Why doesn't the final product EVER look like the photo? Cmon...there's something fishy here folks...fast food is NOT as innocous as you think...

READ THIS (http://www.fa-ir.org/ai/fastfood_hidden.htm)

AND READ THIS!! (http://www.preventativeconcept.com/nutrition/template.asp?page=fast_food)

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We are surrounded by trans fats (which are toxic to our body) in many of the foods we eat, but the single largest dose we are likely to get is still the seemingly innocuous "cholesterol-free" french fries from Wendy's, Burger King, or McDonalds. McDonalds is the single largest source of these potentially fatal fries.

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03-17-2004, 05:43 AM

Now I'm starving for trans fats....

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TooCute

03-17-2004, 05:54 AM

The difference between tobacco and McDonald's is that tobacco flat out lied and said their product wasn't addictive and would not kill you. You have always been able to get the nutrition information for McDonald's, regardless of how "healthy" their ads portray their food. They might put a spin on their product, but they don't lie. I think those tobacco lawsuits are ridiculous, too, but not as much as these McDonald's ones.

Either way, the argument that "who has time to prepare food on the way home from work at 9 PM - they should have options!" flat out makes no sense. Are you actually serious? In case you are - here's an idea - how about you make food when you do have time and then keep it in your refrigerator to eat when you need a quick meal? Oh, you're too lazy to do that? Can't plan well enough? Don't know how to cook? boo hoo hoo. That's not the fault of McDonald's.

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jeffdwright2001

03-17-2004, 05:58 AM

speaking as a "fat" person, I can't wait to sue McDonald's and take the money won and splurge at Burger King.

Whooo hooo, circle of life!

NewYorkDragons80

03-17-2004, 05:58 AM

NYD, where did it come up that anyone here was talking about punishing fast food companies for making the food they make?
By supporting the right of consumers to sue companies for products whose ingredients are made available, you are trying to punish fast food, in my opinion.

You presented stats that seemed to indicate that people weren't obese, I said look around and see all the fat people.
My stats were meant to show that the BMI is inaccurate. All it takes into account is height and weight. With a scale like this, the numbers of Americans listed as obese are much higher than the actual number. So if you are an athletic 5'10 180, you are considered overweight.

If you looked at the other statistics I provided, I did indeed say that the country is getting fatter (10% increase in 20 years), but the caloric intake only increased 1% in this 20 year period.

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FMJeff

03-17-2004, 06:02 AM

Either way, the argument that "who has time to prepare food on the way home from work at 9 PM - they should have options!" flat out makes no sense. Are you actually serious? In case you are - here's an idea - how about you make food when you do have time and then keep it in your refrigerator to eat when you need a quick meal? Oh, you're too lazy to do that? Can't plan well enough? Don't know how to cook? boo hoo hoo. That's not the fault of McDonald's.

Nobody said it was MCDonald's fault. My arguement is when they do come in, they should be able to offer a better product that isn't loaded with crap that makes you unhealthy...not a salad with more calories than a hamburger!

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03-17-2004, 06:06 AM

Talk to Erin Brockovich
I'm sorry I have to explain this, but there is a difference between contaminating the water supply of an unsuspecting community and selling a burger to someone who can look directly to his or her left and see every last substance in said burger.

There are some who would say suing Big Tobacco is ridiculous, even if they wilfully deceived the people of the dangers of cigarettes...I mean...nobody put a gun to thier head to smoke either...
That depends on who is suing. If this person can prove that they began smoking at a time when the tobacco companies were being dishonest, not listin ingredients, then yes. If they started smoking in 1996, then they really have no case.

If they tell us what is in there, they are no longer responsible.

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03-17-2004, 06:09 AM

If you support suing McDonalds for aggressively advertising their product, leading to obesity, then do you support suing Bowflex for not advertising aggressively enough, leading to obesity?

(NOTE: This is not to say that Bowflex doesn't own cable TV between 3 AM and 7 AM)

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jeffdwright2001

03-17-2004, 06:14 AM

Nobody said it was MCDonald's fault. My arguement is when they do come in, they should be able to offer a better product that isn't loaded with crap that makes you unhealthy...not a salad with more calories than a hamburger!

Uhm, that's not exactly true.'

McDonald's hamburger: Calories 280
Grilled Chicken Salad: Calories 250
Bacon Ranch Salad (no chicken): Calories 130

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03-17-2004, 06:28 AM

TooCute

03-17-2004, 06:39 AM

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03-17-2004, 06:46 AM

Screw that, Jeff, I'm going to sue you.

IF you're going to make a Ron and Fez site
AND you know there are no other Ron and Fez sites out there, you'd better be putting out a BETTER PRODUCT!!!

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03-17-2004, 07:44 AM

Then it isn't directed at you.

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03-17-2004, 08:51 AM

I think I'm going to sue Carvel for those damn fattening hot fudge sundaes.

And all the bakeries in my area better watch out!

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03-17-2004, 10:37 AM

RonFez.Net is fat free.

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03-17-2004, 10:44 AM

RonFez.Net is fat free.
I beg to differ.

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03-17-2004, 11:30 AM

I beg to differ.

yeah i guess you're right...

i yield in this debate...you guys win...i lose...

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03-17-2004, 01:28 PM

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03-17-2004, 05:54 PM

And I don't think McDonald's should be held responsible for fat people being fat. In a perfect world people wouldn't eat that shit to begin with, but since Americans have horrible taste - fast food, Budweiser beer, reality TV - it's just not something that's in danger of going away, unfortunately.

HEY!!!!!

Doomstone and I finally agree on something!

This is truly a monumentous day, one for the record books. This was bound to happen sooner or later, but it has finally come, as was prophesized by the ancient tomes. Could this be a new beginning between us? A new era of harmonious discord, that.....

Anyway, the legislative branch should not be deciding who can and can't be sued. It should be left up to the judiciary.

......damn.

Well, that era didn't last long.

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