Nazis vs. Communists vs. Terrorists [Archive]

monsterone

03-11-2004, 09:01 PM

At least communists pretended that they had an cause. Nazis were all about evil and they didn't care who knew. And I'm not dedcucting points because they shot their wad right out of the box. If they were in power as long as communists, I'm sure they'd kill more people. Remember, they weren't just after the Jews. They would have moved on to just about anyone who didn't fit their Aryan ideal.

exactly. you came make up any story you want "pretend that they had an cause," but the sum of your evil is what counts.

they are one in the same, if you ask me. it's all about tyranny and a minority ruling the masses.

but you had me thinking; terrorists aren't an organized group and have existed throughout history. so over time, they probaby win.

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03-11-2004, 09:06 PM

Yes, but the Nazis were such an evil that the whole world had to rise up and squash it immediately!

And I take it that you do not sympathize with the plight of the proletariat. Bourgeoisie scum!

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monsterone

03-11-2004, 09:34 PM

the nazi were over aggressive, yes. but the commies are still in today's news: castro in cuba, china, the mess that's left in russia... that's longevity.

and there have been terrorists in every nation. for the lenght of history.

sympathize with the plight of the proletariat? fuck 'em.

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03-11-2004, 09:49 PM

The Nazis were the most evil, AND the snappiest dressers.

Coincidence?

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03-11-2004, 10:09 PM

snappiest dressers

oh mojo... why???

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03-12-2004, 12:08 AM

Does it really matter what label evil travels under? Does it matter what country or idealogy or designer label it performs it's horror under? Evil is evil and never the twain shall meet!!!

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03-12-2004, 02:37 AM

Yes, but the Nazis were such an evil that the whole world had to rise up and squash it immediately!

I'm guessing this was sarcasm, if not; my bad.

Having said that; the Germans were gobbling up Europe, and I don't remember the immediate squash. I remember Chamberlain waving a piece of paper while Adolph. I remember the camps at Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau and Auscwitz operating, and no rise-up. I remember that many knew what was going on and quietly chose to do nothing.

If it ultimately took America's involvement to end the Nazis and liberate the camps; I don't see where all of europe immediately squashed anything.

It's sarcasm right? Seriously...

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WRESTLINGFAN

03-12-2004, 03:15 AM

Terrorists act more covertly. They can blend in to a society, We knew who were the Nazis and Commies were

In terrorism we are not fighting a particular country. During WW2 we knew who the enemy was

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Def Dave in SC

03-12-2004, 08:42 AM

At least communists pretended that they had an cause. Nazis were all about evil and they didn't care who knew

Thats an ignorant thing to say. The Nazis had a very clear cause. They wanted to reunite parts of Germany they had lost over the years, they wanted to purify their country, and they wanted to restore Germany to power.

Now, the Nazis did terrible, horribe stuff, but they did not go to meetings and discuss how they were going to be evil, and what evil deeds they were going to carry out. The things they decided to do nded up being evil. There really is a difference.

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03-12-2004, 08:48 AM

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03-12-2004, 09:41 AM

Now, the Nazis did terrible, horribe stuff, but they did not go to meetings and discuss how they were going to be evil, and what evil deeds they were going to carry out.

Actually, they did.

It was to figure out "The Final Solution" on how to murder over six million Jews.

All brilliantly and brutally detailed in this film...

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All it is is just 20 or so men sitting around a table and talking for two hours, but it's possibly the most horrifying, evil thing I've ever seen. An absolutely spectacular film.

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03-12-2004, 09:54 AM

communism isnt inherently evil, is it? isnt the core of their ideology to level the entire playing field? not that i'd enjoy a government that censors and takes away your ownership of anything.

other than stalin, have other commie leaders been as brutal?

i vote terrorists. at least you get to see the other faces of evil before they kill you.

TheMojoPin

03-12-2004, 10:34 AM

Mao, Castro, Tito, Kruschev was no picnic...was Pol Pot a communist?

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DarkHippie

03-12-2004, 10:36 AM

nothing is eviler than Nazism. Remember, Terrorists are only evil if they are attacking a good regime. Otherwise they're "rebel scum."

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Def Dave in SC

03-12-2004, 11:06 AM

Actually, they did.

Well, I'm having a hard time writing what I'm trying to think. Let me go at it again.

The Nazis did not all sit around a la the Legion of Doom Cackling and plotting on how to be evil. Being evil wasn't the plan. They just ended up doing bad things.

Here check this site out (http://www.white-history.com/The%20Holocaust%20-%20An%20Overview.htm) and its links. This guy wrote a book all about white history. Its not a skinhead, whitepahrrrrrr, kinda book. The author, at least in this section, takes a look back at the Nazis and all their policies towards Jews. Don't get me wrong. They really did awful things to them, and I am not trying to say they didn't. This site just has some different ideas than are normally written about.

Take a look at the page about the Wanssee Cconference. Its really interesting.

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03-12-2004, 11:08 AM

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TheMojoPin

03-12-2004, 11:50 AM

Now, the Nazis did terrible, horribe stuff, but they did not go to meetings and discuss how they were going to be evil, and what evil deeds they were going to carry out. The things they decided to do nded up being evil. There really is a difference.

How?

I highly doubt the Nazis or, say, Soviets thought they were "evil." You're implying Stalin and co. did just that. Like the Nazis, Uncle Joe thought what he was doing was "right," too. Doesn't make him any less a scumfuck. Same goes for the Nazis. I don't give a good goddamn how "good" or "right" they thought they were. Evil is still evil, no matter how deluded the person causing it is.

And fuck that asinine Holocaust nitpicking. Nothing on you, Dave, but that page is shady as fuck. It has the tone that anything less than the "official" numbers is somehow "less evil." Nine million or one million, you still couldn't kill enough Nazis to make up for it. Evil assheads. And that page, as with most Holocaust accusers, ignores all the other people killed during the Holocaust, and focuses just on the number of Jews. Why? Don't the others count?

And nobody knows the specific details of the Wannsee conference in terms of a legitimate recording or set of notes. There's only one copy of the minutes left (From one of the attendees, who killed himself before he destroyed them, as was ordered to all who attended), and it was heavily edited and censored. The original minutes where destroyed under the order of Heydrich. The basis of what many think was established there in terms of EXTERMINATION (And the subject of the movie I listed above) is based on the testimony of the high ranking Nazis that attended and survived the war (And, actually, most of these men were found not-guilty of war crimes because of lack of evidence, and ended up living out their lives as free members of German society...UGH) and the servants of the household that worked there. These weren't stupid men. The extermination was not to put to paper for very important reasons. It didn't "just happen." It was planned, and it was planned and approved in its initial stages (And as an extension of the purges and "evacuations" already happening in Eastern Europe in at least the hundreds of thousands at that point) by these men at Wannsee, and it was spearheaded by Heydrich. Good riddance that that shitbag died a slow, painful death from infection from the wounds caused by Polish commandos attempting to kill him.

And Dave, have you read most of what's on that website? Yeah, it's not a blatantly stupid racist page...it's along the lines of Dr. William "Turner Diaries" Pierce. Sitting there calmly, smiling, telling you "facts" that "proves" their side is right...it's creepy as hell, and it sure as shit has a pretty ugly agenda. It's like that last Pat Buchanan book...not blatantly racist, but basically with the underlying theme that not having a nation of all or mostly white people down the line is a bad thing, or that mixing the races somehow isn't "right."

White history is one thing. THAT ain't it.

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furie

03-12-2004, 01:11 PM

Nazis and communists are the same. they like to think they're at the far ends of the spectrum from eachother. it's not a line, it's a circle. they go so far to their side it comes back around.

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03-12-2004, 01:14 PM

but they did not go to meetings and discuss how they were going to be evil, and what evil deeds they were going to carry out.

did you go to even one history class?

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A.J.

03-12-2004, 01:40 PM

Good riddance that that shitbag died a slow, painful death from infection from the wounds caused by Polish commandos attempting to kill him.

Actually, I think they were Czech partisans but yeah, you're absolutely right.

but they did not go to meetings and discuss how they were going to be evil, and what evil deeds they were going to carry out.

They didn't need to. It was planned out way before Hitler came to power:

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03-12-2004, 05:28 PM

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03-12-2004, 06:09 PM

Communists, although people still seem to think it's some sort of acceptable form of government.

Not only are they responsible for the highest death toll of the three, the ideology still supports incredibly heinous human rights violations even to this day.

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03-12-2004, 06:24 PM

Communists, although people still seem to think it's some sort of acceptable form of government.

Not only are they responsible for the highest death toll of the three, the ideology still supports incredibly heinous human rights violations even to this day.

exactly.

but you still have to give it to terrorist, the more i think about it. the catagory is so diverse.

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03-12-2004, 07:17 PM

Ok, as a whole, the Nazis are the most evil. They killed so many that its hard to realize how so many could be brainwashed into believing one man's insane cause for world domination and creating a "Master Race".

However, as individuals, I've gotta go with terrorists. They join into whatever terroristic cause they want to follow voluntarily (sp?), while a good portion of those in the Nazi army maybe had no choice, or believed what they were doing was for a good cause. I'm not saying that the terrorists don't think what they are doing is, in their opinion, a good cause, but I think they are willing to sacrafice more (as in themselves) in order to further whatever cause they are involved in.

Anyway, I'm going with Nazis, just as a whole.

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monsterone

03-12-2004, 07:36 PM

evil is evil, no matter what the magnitude. there is no degree. check this link. (http://www.time.com/time/daily/polpot/1.html)

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everyone of the above was photographed, then tortured and murdered.

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Heavy

03-12-2004, 07:52 PM

Well I'm voting hobbits cause i can make the claim the commies and Nazis were nothing more then terrorists if uniform and in charge.

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monsterone

03-12-2004, 07:58 PM

come on wadd. terrorists are not an organized state. they are not the same thing. and hobbit is a nerd vote.

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03-12-2004, 08:11 PM

This is what I'm saying. Commies and Nazis are nothing more then Terrorists that WERE an organized state. And they didnt take pot shots all over the world at random either. And they werent Arab. Ok, youre right, theyre not the same.

And I actually didnt vote at all

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03-12-2004, 08:16 PM

since you'ree bringing up arabs, who do arabs actually like? they don't eve like one another. and no, i'm not talking about the majority; only the select few terrorizing the world and one another.

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Def Dave in SC

03-12-2004, 08:25 PM

And Dave, have you read most of what's on that website? Yeah, it's not a blatantly stupid racist page...it's along the lines of Dr. William "Turner Diaries" Pierce.

I got into this conversation with someone who sent me the site. I definatley agree that they are pushing an agenda, and that their agenda is definately not (for lack of a better word) kosher.

I found the site interesting; its a side I had never heard, and for the most part, noone i knew had ever heard. I don't mean to come across as a holocaust revisionist, more of a devil's advocate.

And as per my "sitting aorund the table" comments earlier, I don't think I am making myself clear enough, except for Mojo. He seems to understand what i was trying to say.

What I meant was that the Nazis did not sit around some huge oak table trying to plot out the most evil things they could. I'm picturing a gathering of super-villains plotting ways to be more super-villainous. (and I realize now that the Legion of Doom were wrestlers, not the bad guys form super friends. Fuck.)

Now, the Nazis did sit around giant oak tables and did discuss evil things, but they were not discussed because of the particular evilness of the subject.

Now, I'm going to quit. Thats the best I can get it. If I can, i will clarify at a later date.

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03-12-2004, 08:29 PM

evil is such a cameleon of a word.

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03-12-2004, 10:27 PM

Don't fret, Dave!

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03-13-2004, 09:55 AM

I bet Daisy Mae from Lil' Abner could whup all they asses.
Seems to me she had this super-duper hillbilly strength.

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super-duper hillbilly strength

Is that like "retard strength"?

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03-13-2004, 03:17 PM

Is that like "retard strength"?

It IS retard strength.

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03-14-2004, 10:23 AM

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03-16-2004, 11:47 AM

communism isnt inherently evil, is it? isnt the core of their ideology to level the entire playing field?

righto. I think you have to consider that a great majority of Nazis were evil, but a lot of Communists and terrorists were/are fighting for a noble cause. Stalin vs Hitler vs Osama might be more of a comparison. Hitler had killing as part of the party line though; Communism, even as the Soviets and Chinese implemented it, did not inherently have it on the agenda.

Of course you also have to consider that the "Communists" we are considering were not following "Communism". Communism is pretty good, it just can't be implemented by the swine we have for human beings.

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03-16-2004, 01:59 PM

Communism, even as the Soviets and Chinese implemented it, did not inherently have it on the agenda.

Yeah, those "5-year plans" didn't mean shit.

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shamus mcfitzy

03-16-2004, 02:02 PM

well it was never written down as like the gov'ts agenda. that's what i mean. I just meant that the Nazis were inherently evil, the Communists had evil leaders

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03-16-2004, 02:04 PM

What I meant was that the Nazis did not sit around some huge oak table trying to plot out the most evil things they could. I'm picturing a gathering of super-villains plotting ways to be more super-villainous. (and I realize now that the Legion of Doom were wrestlers, not the bad guys form super friends. Fuck.)

Ok so you're syaing they didn't sit around some huge oak table even though they did sit around some huge oak table?

You are absolutely out of your fricken gourd....

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03-16-2004, 02:15 PM

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high fly

03-16-2004, 04:29 PM

To be a super villain, you have to be excessively polite to your enemies and speak in a monotone.

You gots to have tough looking henchmen in some sorta uniforms, too.

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03-17-2004, 05:31 AM

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03-17-2004, 05:43 AM

Communists. Both Nazis and Communists were evil, but Communists were more dangerously evil because their ideas were more exportable and the evil can spread more easily than Nazism.

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03-17-2004, 06:25 AM

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Bestinshow

03-17-2004, 03:34 PM

communism is a failed government form. As of itself it is not evil. Israeli Kibutzes are a form of communism (Do they still exist?) If utopia existed, it would be communist. Unfortunately, because of human nature, Eutopia cant exist in the real world. And communist states are usually run by fascists who are inherently evil.

Nazi's are as evil as any people that have ever existed. Nobody in history, on such a large basis, has been so cruel, and callous in their systematic slaughter. Piling people into freight cars by the thousands in intense heat and freezing cold, sometimes suffocating its inhabitants. Performing scientific experiments. mental and physical torture. Systematically on millions of people. You cant judge cruelty by the the sum total, because given the opportunity, the nazis would have eclipsed all. Just the severity of their actions finally resulted in the annilation of their existence when the world came to their senses.

I am sure there are terrorist groups out there that are just as cruel as the nazis but thankfully they havent amassed the numbers and strength to accomplish what the nazis did.

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shamus mcfitzy

03-17-2004, 06:11 PM

If utopia existed, it would be communist. Unfortunately, because of human nature, Eutopia cant exist in the real world. And communist states are usually run by fascists who are inherently evil.

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shamus mcfitzy

03-17-2004, 06:39 PM

i don't think i understand what you are saying, but communism is actually the point when socialism has taken hold (for like a hundred years) and therefore the people can effectively choose a leader. I think that's what Marx said, but I might be wrong. That's at least a widely held belief and the one i believe.

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03-18-2004, 08:30 AM

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03-18-2004, 09:12 AM

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Def Dave in SC

03-18-2004, 09:58 AM

communism is actually the point when socialism has taken hold (for like a hundred years) and therefore the people can effectively choose a leader. I think that's what Marx said, but I might be wrong

From what I understand, after that hundred years or so is when the people don't need a leader at all. According to Marx,a communist state needed a leader at first, to make sure everything is operating properly. Eventually, there will be no need for a leader.

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smeagol

03-20-2004, 02:40 AM

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03-20-2004, 05:36 AM

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03-20-2004, 08:14 AM

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shamus mcfitzy

03-21-2004, 09:24 PM

monsterone

03-21-2004, 09:32 PM

From what I understand, after that hundred years or so is when the people don't need a leader at all. According to Marx,a communist state needed a leader at first, to make sure everything is operating properly. Eventually, there will be no need for a leader.

yeah i guess that's right. It's either no leader or one that goes further than a leader and becomes like the people's voice. Communism would organized anarchy (the good kind)

now if we could live on earth 2.

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03-21-2004, 11:02 PM

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