Howard Stern Fined by the FCC....

[Justice4all]

Buckle your seat belts kids...this is just the start. As I am sure you all know.

Ever since he has started his anti-FCC campaign his show has gotten very interesting.

I wonder how this will affect the supposed return of O and A?

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[Teenweek]

They are going to satellite radio aren't they? And Bush made them dump out of farting yesterday. A president against farting is taking away our freedoms. You can drop bombs in Iraq but not on radio. Waz up wit dat?

[jeffdwright2001]

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Howard Stern and FCC discussed here (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/37113/page/Howard_Stern_going_to_Satellite_Radio_.htm)

[JustJon]

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Howard Stern and FCC discussed here (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/80/Topic/37113/page/Howard_Stern_going_to_Satellite_Radio_.htm)

FCC fine is a different topic. Dont' worry about it and leave the locking decisions to the mods.

Stern had some interesting things to say this morning about the fines. Seems the FCC waited till the middle of the night to announce the fines, so the news media couldn't follow up on it yesterday. In addition, the fines were announced to the media, but they didn't actually serve the papers to Stern/Infinity first.

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[jeffdwright2001]

sorry about that Jon and Justice.

[Justice4all]

sorry about that Jon and Justice.


S'ok. I heard the show too....and to follow up what Jon said, not only did they go to the media first they also fined him for something that was said over 2 years ago.
I honestly think the FCC is getting pissed that he is getting all the mdeia attention with his war with them.
They also tried to play something from the Oprah Winfrey Show from yesterday, it was an explination on the term "Salad Tossing" and they DUMPED IT!
He was furious, and Tom Chiassano said they would not play it. Howard wanted to play it and if he got fined and Oprah did not he would have the case he needed against the FCC and the religious right, as well as proven his point.
He did good radio today.

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[smeagol]

I've been a fan of the show for many years. When you think about it, it really is the original reality show, more or less.

But it's JUST A RADIO SHOW!

The voices in my head all agree; listen:

there is NO Free Speech crisis brewing here.
there is NO conspiracy of the "religious right".
there is NO "agenda of those in power" deliberately and methodically trying to SILENCE HOWARD STERN.

Take off the tin-foil hats and bubble-wrap suits, or at least loosen them up a bit. Take a break from the !!ZOLTRON!! Network.


Lately I'll tune in and there's poor Howard whining, and I'm out within minutes. Poor Howard, being a legend in his own mind used to be good for some laughs.

I really enjoy Howard and the others, they seem like good people. Even Ralph is.ok.I guess.ok for a Eunich.

Howard rallying listeners against the Bush admin, fighting for Free Speech! But it seems mostly about what's best for Howard.

Howard, in the middle of a recent FCC rant, breaks off to assail Mel Gibson. As for-real angry as I've ever heard, Howard says he shouldn't have made and released his movie. That Gibson must be anti-semitic. That Jay Leno was a pussy for saying that Gibson was courageous to release the movie - Jay should've instead confronted Gibson on the "controversy" surrounding his movie.

Confronted him? For What? Perhaps that the MOVIE will MAKE people become anti-semitic, violent, hateful? Or, perhaps that the movie shouldn't have been made? What?

I don't see Howard's point here, not at all, because when Howard said this
HOWARD HADN'T EVEN SEEN THE MOVIE!!!!

Howard's employment arrangements, for many years, apparently forbid other DJs in the company from discussing Howard.

Howard was, generally, a supporter of the Bush admin, until...recent months.

WTF?


The worse thing of all is that the ranting-serious-unfunny Howard of late has dampened the opportunities for Fred/Eric, the Maestro of All Sound Effects.

[bigbaldirish]

you really don't believe it's free speech issue. if they fine one person in the communications medium, and not another for the same thing, it is taking away free speech. free speech of the rabble rouser, the one that the 1st amendment is supposed to protect.
and his support of president bush was in the wars. under which the first one was justified, the second one was led under false pretenses. his tune started to change when more evidence that there wasn't WMD started to arise.
and him ranting against the passion is not the same as the government saying the passion cannot be shown, or any instances of violence will be blacked out.

if you don't like what he's saying, turn it off. like i tell anybody around me who isn't a fan. if he gets into a topic that bores me, or pisses me off i press play on the cd. and there is plenty of other radio stations out there.

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[zoom2457]

The voices in my head all agree; listen:

there is NO Free Speech crisis brewing here.
there is NO conspiracy of the "religious right".
there is NO "agenda of those in power" deliberately and methodically trying to SILENCE HOWARD STERN.


Apparently you haven't listened to other radio shows or watched any news shows. Free speech is being threatened. The country is at a crossroad, do we go back to the 1950's or do we continue to move forward.

But, believe what you will...





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[Se7en]

you really don't believe it's free speech issue.

I believe it's a free speech issue.

I just don't believe it's a free speech issue the same way that Howard believes it to be (i.e. he's being "silenced" for voicing his political opinions).

Has he contacted the ACLU yet? They have a long history of defending wackjobs. If he's lucky, maybe they'll take his case pro bono.

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[smeagol]

OK guys, then, where are the facts, the specifics, the evidence that this thing with Howard is SO serious that 1st amendment rights are endangered in any way?

What rights, exactly, are being "taken away"? How, exactly, are they being "threatened"?

The thing about one being fined and not the other for the same 'infraction' - has that actually happened?

Why are we at such an ominous 'crossroads'?

What, exactly, could I have possibly missed from other radio shows or news shows that's so convincing?


Superlatives such as these are expressed without underlying substance. Where's the 'what', 'who', 'when', 'where' behind these claims?


Anyway, some basic points and best-guess outcomes concerning this Howard thing:

(1) The Stern show airs on a public frequency licensed for free to the broadcaster by the US Gov't.

(2) The show airs weekday mornings.

(3) "Federal law and FCC rules prohibit over-the-air radio and TV stations from airing material that refers to sexual and excretory functions between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., when children may be tuned in.
There are no such restrictions for cable and satellite TV and satellite radio."

(4) Most people all across America (8 out ten maybe?) don't find the show funny or entertaining at all.
Most who don't like it will say it's "dirty", "raunchy", "distasteful", "insulting", "racist".
And a few believe it to be "pornography", "just unacceptable", "how do they let him get away with it!".

(5) The Congress House of Reps voted recently 391 to 22 (391!) to raise fines for indecency. This follows some very serious-looking Gov't Hearings.

(6) The FCC fined Howard for an infraction...a two-year-old infraction.

(7) Janet Jackson whipped out a tit at the Super Bowl.

(8) Because of (7) those in power feel compelled to take some sort of action, they have got to do 'something' to 'satisfy' the majority (who feel like (4)). So, (5) and (6) will do nicely to satisfy the majority. Largely symbolic - most telling is that the fine was for a 2-yr old thing. Dollar amount of fine is meaningless.

(9) In the coming months, things will almost certainly settle down to 'pre-Janet' levels, more or less. But be careful! You might get in trouble for saying 'asshole', or farting on the air. or something like that.

(10) over time, the outrage over indecency will slowly ratchet up and Howard may well be fined for saying 'asshole' or farting on the air two years prior.


Maybe, just maybe, some here think that there should be no regulation at all of the public airwaves? That this would be the ONLY true "Free Speech"? Well, it's not going to happen.
This whole Howard thing concerns only of the PUBLIC airwaves, you see. The vast majority of people want regulation of the PUBLIC airwaves, so they will be regulated. Cable, satellite, DVDs, etc. content is not regulated.
That same vast majority DOES NOT CARE what you listen to, or watch, alone or with like-minded others, in PRIVATE, as long as others aren't illegally harmed.


And about the ACLU: some things are just wrong, unacceptable beyond a shadow of a doubt. The ACLU has a client named "NAMBLA", the North American Man-Boy Love Association, an organized group of pedophiles. I piss on the ACLU! fucking ChoMos


About the Passion, I didn't equate what Howard ranted about with any Government action about anything. The point is, that Howard was, in effect, "censoring" or calling for censorship of Gibson and his movie. If he wasn't, then what, exactly, was his point?


So, if anyone seriously believes that the Bush Admin is a real threat to your 1st amendment rights, where's the evidence? Facts? Specifics? Leave the rage, hatred, personal smears, and baseless accusations about the man behind.

[Heavy]

I honestly think the FCC is getting pissed that he is getting all the mdeia attention with his war with them.


He's getting media attention? If it wasnt for this board I'd have no idea about any of this. I dont watch the news religiously, but ive seen a few hours of it a week and havnt heard jack shit about unfunny Stern or his tired act.

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I'm on the cutting edge.

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He wasn't talking about male porn stars who turn gay.

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[JerryTaker]

Cable, satellite, DVDs, etc. content is not regulated.


Yeah, and my Wallet is killing me.

When do we find out that someone in the FCC has a stake in satellite radio?

Just like everything else this administration has done, it's not about rights, it's not about decency, it's not about safety, etc. it's simply about money - taking more from the "little guy" and giving it to the governmental corporate machine.

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[bigbaldirish]

The thing about one being fined and not the other for the same 'infraction' - has that actually happened?
in fact it was last week on the oprah winfrey show, talked about tossing salads, and gave a vivid description of it. and if you don't know that is what howard stern is fined for.

(1) The Stern show airs on a public frequency licensed for free to the broadcaster by the US Gov't.
true
(2) The show airs weekday mornings.
also true
(3) "Federal law and FCC rules prohibit over-the-air radio and TV stations from airing material that refers to sexual and excretory functions between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., when children may be tuned in.
most children i know are in school during the day so while from 4 pm to 10 pm might be acceptable and 6 am to 8am maybe accpetable, the time in between then, children should not be listening. but that is an opinion, the rule is true.
There are no such restrictions for cable and satellite TV and satellite radio."
ahh, but if you knew the whole story, that is the next step congress is trying to make the FCC gets to regulate cable, and satellite.
(4) Most people all across America (8 out ten maybe?) don't find the show funny or entertaining at all.
then why despite all these people hating it, are his ratings so high? that number is seriously skewed.


(5) The Congress House of Reps voted recently 391 to 22 (391!) to raise fines for indecency. This follows some very serious-looking Gov't Hearings.
first off there are a hell of alot more republicans in the house of reps then there are dems, and every one of them backs there party, and the person PLACED in the office of the FCC by the President who is republican.

(6) The FCC fined Howard for an infraction...a two-year-old infraction.
ok, why do this now? surely they could find something more relevant to the time we are in?

(7) Janet Jackson whipped out a tit at the Super Bowl.
true, at something designed for family viewing, on TV! why go after radio, where this man's listeners know what they are getting into. i rather enjoyed janets tit on tv, but i don't want my kid seeing it, and nor would i turn on howard in front of my kid. i know how to raise children.

(8) Because of (7) those in power feel compelled to take some sort of action, they have got to do 'something' to 'satisfy' the majority (who feel like (4)). So, (5) and (6) will do nicely to satisfy the majority. Largely symbolic - most telling is that the fine was for a 2-yr old thing. Dollar amount of fine is meaningless.
get it right, it's not the majority, it's the Moral majority which is people who will pursue something that you like that they don't. you will let a group of people say that something is infringing on their rights when they have a choice. well your not allowed to look at porn anymore, it offends these people, and they think it should be outlawed.

(9) In the coming months, things will almost certainly settle down to 'pre-Janet' levels, more or less. But be careful! You might get in trouble for saying 'asshole', or farting on the air. or something like that.
maybe, but what if it doesn't?
(10) over time, the outrage over indecency will slowly ratchet up and Howard may well be fined for saying 'asshole' or farting on the air two years prior.
you just completely contradicted yourself there, wiill it die down, or will it ratchet up?

[quote]Maybe, just maybe, some here think that there should be no regulation at all of the public airwaves? That this would be the ONLY true "Free Speech"? Well, it's not going to happen.
This whole Howard thing concerns only of the PUBLIC airwaves, you see. The vast majority of people want regulation of the PUBLIC airwaves, so they will be regulated. Cable, satellite, DVDs, etc. content is not regulated.
That same vast majority DOES NOT CARE what you listen to, or watch, alone or with like-minded others, in PRIVATE

[JustJon]

Think of it this way. The republican president puts a republicna as head of the FCC. During this presidency, they bid for more power and control with cues from the religious right.

That's what's happening now. If Bush stays in office, we can assume that will continue and they will try to make in roads into your pay services (cable, satellite, etc.). On the other hand, if Kerry is elected and a Democrat is put in control of the FCC, what is the likelihood that he will want to reliquish all this power at his control. In fact, he may even want more and follow the path that the Republicans would have, but without as much influence from the religious right.

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Just imagine how much worse it could be with Tipper "We need to label CDs with naughty words" Gore and Joe "We need to ban violent video games" Lieberman in charge.

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[Uncle Smokey]

there is NO Free Speech crisis brewing here.
there is NO conspiracy of the "religious right".
there is NO "agenda of those in power" deliberately and methodically trying to SILENCE HOWARD STERN.



It's a first amendment issue. The FCC has every constitutional right to levy fines against broadcasters for indecent content; however, the vagueness of the standard for indecency leaves open the possiblity for selective enforcement. Selective enforcement, in turn, permits politically motivated enforcement actions.

I don't believe Howard Stern's employer is being fined for Howard's political views, but it is glaringly apparent that Stern is a more agreeable government target than say, Oprah Winfrey, whose "salad-tossing" segment was decidedly more graphic. If standards are vague enough to permit capricious enforcement, it follows that broadcast companies will follow their own best interests and avoid broadcasts which are deemed offensive to their government masters, lest they be fined potentially 500 grand a pop. That's a chilling effect on free speech.


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[JustJon]

It's a first amendment issue. The FCC has every constitutional right to levy fines against broadcasters for indecent content; however, the vagueness of the standard for indecency leaves open the possiblity for selective enforcement. Selective enforcement, in turn, permits politically motivated enforcement actions.
Not only are the rules vague (i.e. they pick and choose when something is indecent), they will only target and enforce when formal charges are filed. So write your letters and complain about Oprah!

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Just imagine how much worse it could be with Tipper "We need to label CDs with naughty words" Gore and Joe "We need to ban violent video games" Lieberman in charge.

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Just imagine how much worse it could be with Tipper "We need to label CDs with naughty words" Gore and Joe "We need to ban violent video games" Lieberman in charge.

yeah, but that cunt and mrs. gore were satisfied when both industries let the customers know what they were getting.

in this case, i'd rather trade in the evil i know(g-dub and chairman uncle tom) for the evil i dont(fred gwynn).

[smeagol]

Fines, etc. since the "Enforcement Bureau" of FCC was established in Nov 1999.

FCC Enforcement History (http://www.fcc.gov/eb/broadcast/obscind.html)

The Bureau then established these guidelines (there were none prior to these).

FCC Indecency Policy (http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2001/fcc01090.html)

Howard was fined $1.4 million (I think) total over the 1990s, before these guidelines were provided.

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[zoom2457]

The following links are a little off topic, however, it shows how far Bush and his administration will go to get their way.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/030204C.shtml

http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df03192004.html

http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=11644&sd=03/12/04

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http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen.asp?pid=2761

Those are just a few examples of what the Bush Administration is up to. While it doesn't prove that Howard Stern is being targeted, it does show that this Administration is willing and able to do whatever it feels like, whenever it wants.


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It wasn't. I fixed the links.

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every one of those links do not work, if it was a joke and i just ruined it sorry. because i do the same thing over and over and expect different results.

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[fluffernutter]

I am not going to start a new thread on this but it may APPLY here.

There I am watching American Idol and Simon gives the finger to the one contestant Fantasia. He does one of those head scratch things on the side of his head but the damn camera stays on him for a good five seconds. Anyone has GOT to know what he is doing as the girl even got a bit choked up.

Now, since this show is a TV-G and there may be kids watching, will the FCC act? Will there be a fine? Or because of the nature of the show will it pass becasue this is a huge "family" type show? Would that not be a double standard?



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Damn Fluff, everyone thought i was crazy when i said that he was giving the finger even though it was apparent that he was. It was in plain view too, he even did it to matt? i think. I know he did it more than once, and i dont know a person on earth who scratches the side of their head with the middle finger for a good twenty seconds.

I also think this has absoluetly nothing to do with the administration, and that maybe the FCC wants to be taken seriously. The governments got bigger fish to fry.

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he even did it to matt? i think


I wasn't sure because I doubled over laughing so hard because that was the most gayest performance I have EVER seen.

I'll be the first to admit, I don't know everything about what is going on with the FCC and Stern and radio/TV but I have the general idea. I just got wondering if Stern would go apeshit tomorrow morning becasue he may think that Simon got away with it.

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his performance was a bit queer, but american idol isnt exactly straight. Where is the thread about american idol anyway.

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[fluffernutter]

I was asking the same thing. Of ALL things (and tell me which is more f-ed up) I was listening to Don & Mike through baltimore the other week as Don was raving about the retard and I just had to watch. Since then I have been hooked and absolutely in love with Amy Adams. I curse her boyfriend, I CURSE HIM!


Then I voted for her 5 times.





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Well, looks like he really WAS giving the finger.

http://www.drudgereport.com/ai.htm

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