Iraqis drag U.S. corpses through streets

[jeffdwright2001]

I love it when a plan comes together - not (http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040331/D81LHFK00.html)

So who do we invade next to help make things better?

Why don't we send the FCC over there, everyone's afraid of them.

Edit: title of link changed to prevent further ire
2nd Edit (so others can hate me): "What a drag"

This message was edited by jeffdwright2001 on 3-31-04 @ 6:46 PM

[mdr55]

Damn Savages!!!!

U.S. soldiers are dying and now civilians. All for what??? An offensive that's already over. Fuck those Iraqis and their Freedom from Saddam. We should have left that son of a bitch in power so he could keep those savages back in their place (and you wonder why he had torture chambers). And fuck all that bullshit about "that's the price you pay for freedom". If they want to be free, let the Iraqis fight for their own damn freedom and bring those troops back home or send them to Afghanistan to find that son of a camel's butt Bin Laden.

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[Heavy]

Fuck them, and fuck you too Jeff

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[schmega]

Easy, Wadd.

why? because jeff thought he was real witty with his stupid link title? charred corpses get dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge and he's gonna use that as an opportunity to be funny?

[HBox]

I second Wadd's sentiments.

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[jeffdwright2001]

I find it interesting that some people are more upset by a title rather than how we are handling the whole situation over there.

I have family members and friends who are over there in both a military and civilian capacity. Whether or not I thought or think we should be over there, I do think that the current "plan" isn't working.

The title was designed less for wit and more as a means of provoking someone to read the story behind it. And subsequently stimulate discussion of what is happening both here and in Iraq.

My comment about the FCC was meant to contrast what the Federal government appears to be focusing its time on versus where they SHOULD be focusing their time and efforts.

Clearly since I've had to step some people through this, I wasn't very successful in execution and for that I apologize.

Next time I consider posting a thread, I'll make sure to curse and leave it at that.

[HBox]

So because they waged a war you don't agree with and fucked it up, you think you can ridicule innocent civilians' deaths and get away with a non-apology apology.

Whatever.

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I find it interesting that some people are more upset by a title rather than how we are handling the whole situation over there.

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[jeffdwright2001]

[font=Century gothic][color=navy][size=2]So because they waged a war you don't agree with and fucked it up

I never said that I didn't agree with the war. In fact, I was careful to not say whether or not I agreed with it. Personally, whether we should have been there or not has nothing to do with how we are handling it.

I DID apologize for not being clearer about how I feel. In words that everyone will understand "I think it's fucked up what is happening to our military and civilian folk. I want to know what the hell our government is doing to clean things up and get our people out of there."

I don't feel a bit safer now than I did 6 months ago.

But that's fine. If it makes people feel better to be angry at me, that's ok. After all, I'm the one responsible for all this.

[Witness]

I find it interesting that some people are more upset by a title rather than how we are handling the whole situation over there.


Crying about a few words,helps detract thought from the true issue.

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[Bestinshow]

I wish Bush was more of the cowboy that the Dem's like to claim that he is. Its time to put away the political correctness and time to straighten out priorities. This country needs to be put under military rule until the record can be set straight. These people are being taught that we are the enemy and we cant get their attention long enough to prove otherwise, with all the propaganda going on.We are too worried about the image it will project if we strong arm the rebels, but the image our enemies are projecting to these people is no better. We have to take the public relations hit for now, inorder to settle down this hornets nest. Its too easy to create chaos, because these people dont fear us. In the end, if we can maintain order, the Iraqi's will also be better for it in the end.

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This country needs to be put under military rule until the record can be set straight.

Isn't that what we just liberated them from?

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[Bestinshow]

Isn't that what we just liberated them from?


Obviously I'm talking temporary. And we can leave out the torture and the raping of resources to build palaces and statues. I kind of figured we'd just shoot the trouble makers.

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Can anyone clue me in on the original link title so I can have a reason to hate Jeff too?

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[Recyclerz]

Its time to put away the political correctness and time to straighten out priorities. This country needs to be put under military rule until the record can be set straight. These people are being taught that we are the enemy and we cant get their attention long enough to prove otherwise, with all the propaganda going on.We are too worried about the image it will project if we strong arm the rebels, but the image our enemies are projecting to these people is no better. We have to take the public relations hit for now, inorder to settle down this hornets nest. Its too easy to create chaos, because these people dont fear us. In the end, if we can maintain order, the Iraqi's will also be better for it in the end.


That's the thing about starting a war...

It's always harder than it looks. :(



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[Bestinshow]

That's the thing about starting a war...
It's always harder than it looks.


Doesn' t war suck? Yet it never seems of go out of style.

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[Witness]

Can anyone clue me in on the original link title so I can have a reason to hate Jeff too?


It said,now u ready fo diss,you might wanna take a seat...."What a drag"......an i think there was a picture of a cigarette.
But why he changed it i dont understand,peer pressure? :quest:

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[TheMojoPin]

I kind of figured we'd just shoot the trouble makers.

We're not doing that already?

The trick is figuring out which ones are the "troublemakers" in the first place.

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The trick is figuring out which ones are the "troublemakers" in the first place.


Cant know that till they act.

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nice thread, asshole. Wanna be dragged through the street fuck-o? Real cute.


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In the end, if we can maintain order, the Iraqi's will also be better for it in the end.


Listen to yourself....are you insane? This is not our country!!! We invaded, now we're supposed to assume military control because WE KNOW WHAT'S BETTER FOR THEM? Are you even American? Do you KNOW how this country began? Crack a history book.



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So because they waged a war you don't agree with and fucked it up, you think you can ridicule innocent civilians' deaths and get away with a non-apology apology.

Whatever.


I'm with you, Hbox.

But that's fine. If it makes people feel better to be angry at me, that's ok. After all, I'm the one responsible for all this.

Don't act like the fucking victim here.

This type of tragedy is painful, but really, it's going to take time to change things there. Jesus, ever heard the term "Rome wasn't built in a day" (Empire-building pun intended)? Do you have any idea how long it takes to successfully put up a working government in a country that, in its entire history, has NEVER had a democratic government? Not as easy as saying "And POOF! Democracy!" Let alone pacify an entire nation. Give it time, unless you want the UN to screw it up like Bosnia, Cyprus, and God only knows how many other fiascos they've had...

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[Heavy]

I've said this months ago, We shouldve started building a massive prison DAY ONE. We've got the assholes and hundreds others on film and in photo doing shit they should be locked up for. Its simple, offer poor people money to turn in Humad down the block, and bam, lock him up until we turn the country over. But Nah, we arrest people and let them go over and over. Makes no fucking sense. Even the home invasions we do to get the guy with the rocket launchers, granades etc, we arrest him, take his weapons, then release him. Gee I wonder why theres bad guys on the streets.

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[Bestinshow]

Listen to yourself....are you insane? This is not our country!!! We invaded, now we're supposed to assume military control because WE KNOW WHAT'S BETTER FOR THEM? Are you even American? Do you KNOW how this country began? Crack a history book.


Hey Jeff, stop throwing cliches at me. Do you have a clue what you are talking about? Doe sthis sound like the battle for American independence? Do you see any similarities to both sides? We invaded their country or overtook their dictator? Which by the way we are being rewarded with by being dragged dead through the streets. Or do YOU feel they are battling us for independence? Maybe you should crack open a history book. And a couple of newspapers while you are at it.


We're not doing that already

The trick is figuring out which ones are the "troublemakers" in the first place.


But are we being strict with the trouble makers? Or are we afraid of pissing people off and giving them a slap on the wrist and setting them free. Which results in kaos. I obviously am not certain which one but somehow I suspect the latter.

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This message was edited by Bestinshow on 4-1-04 @ 12:13 PM

[TheMojoPin]

We're already doing what Wadd is talking about...we're locking people up, or even shipping them out of the country...if we have an actual reason to do so. We can't just lock away everyone we feel like locking up.

In a country like Iraq, you can't just lock people up for having a weapon.

Who'd be left?

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[FMJeff]

Hey Jeff, stop throwing cliches at me. Do you have a clue what you are talking about? Doe sthis sound like the battle for American independence? Do you see any similarities to both sides? We invaded their country or overtook their dictator? Which by the way we are being rewarded with by being dragged dead through the streets. Or do YOU feel they are battling us for independence? Maybe you should crack open a history book. And a couple of newspapers while you are at it.


You're a clever guy, bestinshow. Yeah, let's invade countries for no justifiable reason and impose martial law when they try to fight back. That's the American Way.

They don't fucking want us there. We have no business being there. Our own president tells JOKES about his justification for invasion. We have ostracised the international community. Hundreds of our soldiers are dying. Civilians are dying. Billions wasted. For what? A free Iraq? Why Iraq? Where were we during the Pol Pot Massacre? Why hasn't Iran been "liberated"? Or Syria? Why isn't there democracy everywhere? Let's invade people so we can force them to be just like us. Yay America.

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[Heavy]

We're already doing what Wadd is talking about...we're locking people up, or even shipping them out of the country...if we have an actual reason to do so. We can't just lock away everyone we feel like locking up.

In a country like Iraq, you can't just lock people up for having a weapon.

Who'd be left?



The ones without weapons.

To me, this is pretty simple. Somebody has a weapon on their person on in their home, they go to jail. Even if only for a few months. The only people we're really arresting and keeping in custody over there are the bad guys that had some power. So all the retards with AK-47's and a car full of RPGs run around until the decide to blow something up. I dont give a fuck if we drive truck loads of these fucks into some flat desert land with tents set up and give them MREs and water until this whole thing is straightened out, but if they get caught with something they shouldnt have then the intent is there and they are the problem as far as im concerened, and they need to stay away for awhile.
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This message was edited by Wadd on 4-1-04 @ 3:41 PM

[curtoid]

This was one portion of Iraq that has been the most violent and antagonistic. It does not represent all of Iraq...here's part of a story from outside the United States:

"Residents of the Iraqi capital expressed shock, disgust and shame over the gruesome scenes.

Mutilating a body is haram (banned under Islam). It is unacceptable for Muslims, Christians and Jews alike. This is what the Quran (Islam's holy book) teaches us," said Khalaf, a resident of Baghdad.

Iraqi journalist Khalil al-Azzawi was outraged by what happened and dismayed that the scenes were beamed on televisions across the world.

"Television networks will exploit these ugly images in order to portray Iraqis as criminals. But that is not the reality. Iraqis are peace loving people who wish to live in harmony with all the countries of the world," he added.

Wednesday was one of the bloodiest days for occupation forces in Iraq, with seven soldiers killed in separate attacks.

We need to get UN peacekeeping troops in there to help us out - 600 soldiers as of this week are dead (not sure of the number of civilian US contractors) because of this administration; we need to engage and listen to people who actually live in that part of the world; and we need to make Israel and Palinstine a top priority.

Being the world's only superpower does not give us divine right to ignore everyone else.

I wish Bush was more of the cowboy that the Dem's like to claim that he is. Its time to put away the political correctness and time to straighten out priorities.

Please - Bush was raised in Maine.

I wish Bush was more of a President that the Repubs like to claim he is.



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[Heavy]

It does not represent all of Iraq...


I'm not saying everyone in Iraq is guilty. I'm saying all the ones that are should be held until this is all over. Let their new govt do whatever they want once we leave. Get shit straight, then let them figure out how to keep it straight. Thats it.

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[Heavy]

And what are U.N peace keeping troops gonna do over there? How are peace keepers gonna keep peace, if theres no peace yet?

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[curtoid]

The situation is a cluster fuck, and these events underscore it. A larger international pressence to assist our troops, which are stretched too thin, could help stablize and achieve the goals we want, and save the lives of some of our young men and women over there.

The whole thing is a nun's public hair away from civil war, and we're going to have to face facts that (a) we created this mess and (b) we will have to be engaged there for at least 10 years. Since we will have to remain there, and since there will always be violent pockets of resistence, we need to ask for some help and develop with the international community (especially the Muslim countries) a way to fix it.

If there is an international pressence there, then I could see issuing a temporary moritrium on firearms with Iraqis, as the troops work hard to feret out as much of the foreign terrorists and Iraqi fighters as possible.

My gut reaction was the same of many, I'm sure - I wanted that city firebombed; it makes me sick to think that humans could do that to other humans. Then you realize that kind of reaction is just another example of violence creating more violence.



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[Bestinshow]

Tool.


Hey dick face. Do I have to explain to an administrator about name calling and being abusive?



You're a clever guy, bestinshow. Yeah, let's invade countries for no justifiable reason and impose martial law when they try to fight back. That's the American Way.
They don't fucking want us there. We have no business being there. Our own president tells JOKES about his justification for invasion. We have ostracised the international community. Hundreds of our soldiers are dying. Civilians are dying. Billions wasted. For what? A free Iraq? Why Iraq? Where were we during the Pol Pot Massacre? Why hasn't Iran been "liberated"? Or Syria? Why isn't there democracy everywhere? Let's invade people so we can force them to be just like us. Yay America.




I'm a clever guy? I guess this explains alot about our board. The whole world over is debating the justification of this war. Why? Just go to FMJeff. He has the definitive answer. Okay, send em home. The cabinet spoke to Jeff and we made a mistake.
You have it all figured out Einstein. And the President jokes about justification of the war? Hey Einstein, the fruitlessness of the search of the wmd's was the subject of this joke, not the justification. The justification was violation of UN resolutions. Maybe a genius like you can twist the meaning of something so assinine. And we have "ostracised" the international community? First of all you should buy a dictionary because we didnt ostracise anyone. If anything you ostracised me with your rude ass post. Second of all, I guess you must be related to John Kerry, because I guess the only countries that matter to you are the ones against us.Because despite what you hear on CNN, there are plenty of countries with us. And don't make it sound like we invaded a nice happy country and enslaved them for our own good and are trying to turn Iraq into America. I hope you are at least more clever than that.

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[Heavy]

The situation is a cluster fuck, and these events underscore it. A larger international pressence to assist our troops, which are stretched too thin, could help stablize and achieve the goals we want, and save the lives of some of our young men and women over there.

The whole thing is a nun's public hair away from civil war, and we're going to have to face facts that (a) we created this mess and (b) we will have to be engaged there for at least 10 years. Since we will have to remain there, and since there will always be violent pockets of resistence, we need to ask for some help and develop with the international community (especially the Muslim countries) a way to fix it.

If there is an international pressence there, then I could see issuing a temporary moritrium on firearms with Iraqis, as the troops work hard to feret out as much of the foreign terrorists and Iraqi fighters as possible.

My gut reaction was the same of many, I'm sure - I wanted that city firebombed; it makes me sick to think that humans could do that to other humans. Then you realize that kind of reaction is just another example of violence creating more violence.



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This all makes sense but no internation Peace Keepers are going to move in until theres peace.

The points I'm making about the guns and detaining people for extended periods of time are to get us to the point that international Peace Keepers CAN go in as the country is being turned over to Iraq.

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I guess you must be related to John Kerry, because I guess the only countries that matter to you are the ones against us.Because despite what you hear on CNN, there are plenty of countries with us.


Plenty? Didn't John Stewart do a bit on this? Please, list them for me. Spain just pulled out after getting blasted. Who's left over there? England?
Maybe my memory's a little hazy but I do remember worldwide protest and numerous heavy hitters wanting no part in this war.

I don't remember reading about World Wide protests when we rescued Europe from Hitler....the last great age of this nation before Vietnam....

I may not have all the answers, but I do have this one...leave other countries alone unless they are a threat to you, and if you must attack to defend, you better have all the facts and worldwide support. I have yet to see any threat from Iraq.


And don't make it sound like we invaded a nice happy country and enslaved them for our own good and are trying to turn Iraq into America. I hope you are at least more clever than that.


I'm not. It's really that simple. There's plenty of other nasty little countries out there. Why this one? Why now? Why not years ago when Saddam was gassing his own people? Or murdering Kurds by the thousands? Where were we then?

What possible motivation do we have to be there OTHER than our own interests? Violating UN resolutions? Didn't North Korea do that? Why haven't we bombed that country?...probably because they DO have WMD.

I'm sorry but you have to be a LITTLE suspect as to why we invaded a country and took out its dictator over UN squabbles and shoddy military intelligence.

Face it, you just hate Iraq and Iraqis and want to see this country kick thier Iraqi asses back to the stone age. Yeah...let Bush be that cowboy...YAHOO!!!! Go Bush...you're so fucking tough dodging the military and getting blasted at parties.

P.S. You're right about ostracise. I meant alienated. You're still a tool. It's not name calling when its fact.

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[TheMojoPin]

Wadd, I'll ask again...do you know how many Iraqi's have weapons in their home? I know I don't, and I know you don't either, but I'd wager a hefty sum that the number of those that DO have weapons falls well into the "majority" category. I have no doubt we'd have to lock up at LEAST half of the country under your thinking. And besides, do we lock up EVERYONE in a house with weapons? Kids and all?

And "UN peace keepers" is just a term for "UN soldier." They don't need to "wait for peace" to go in.

And everyone, please, keep the pointless namecalling to a minimum. It doesn't serve a purpose except to turn a thread pointlessly ugly.

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[Yerdaddy]

On the small arms problems in Iraq:

<a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0502/p03s01-woiq.htm" target="_blank">Iraq's other disarmament challenge: small arms</a>

<a href="http://www.cdi.org/program/issue/index.cfm?ProgramID=23&issueid=89" target="_blank">Small arms info from Center for Defense Information</a>

If it's important enough to fight about, it's important enough to read a leading expert. I think of Cordesman as the Carl Sagan or Stephen Jay Gould of international relations - he's a leading expert, objective, and his work is written in a way as to be accessible to the general public.<a href="http://www.csis.org/features/iraq_transnationalthreats.pdf" target="_blank">Anthony Cordesman - The Emerging Strategic Lessons from the US Intervention in Iraq</a> (PDF)

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[FMJeff]

My Arab friend tells me small arms is as much a part of the culture in the Middle East as Islam. What are we going to do about that? Take away people's rights to bear arms? Strip them of thier weapons, then pound them into submission?

Is this supposed to work? I see people firing into the sky as a form of cheering, you don't think they could get more weapons if they wanted to? Much like it is over here and the world over, taking away the guns doesn't stop the killing...as much as Michael Moore would like to think, people kill...a gun is only a machine that shoots a projectile.

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P.S. You're right about ostracise. I meant alienated. You're still a tool. It's not name calling when its fact.


Your not only an ignorant moron, your a whiney little fuck.



Face it, you just hate Iraq and Iraqis and want to see this country kick thier Iraqi asses back to the stone age. Yeah...let Bush be that cowboy...YAHOO!!!! Go Bush...you're so fucking tough dodging the military and getting blasted at parties.



My Arab friend tells me small arms is as much a part of the culture in the Middle East as Islam. What are we going to do about that? Take away people's rights to bear arms? Strip them of thier weapons, then pound them into submission?


Because your self hating don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything to give a hint , except to someone loathing and paranoid as yourself, that I wanted any harm to the general Iraqi population. I am just tired of seeing American's blown up as they try to give and protect food for the Iraqi's, rebuild their infrastructure and aid them in setting up a government that suits their diverse people. You on the other hand evidently have more of a bond with the Arab people, and as a result are a self hating American who evidently feels they deserve it for being where they are not wanted.
Furthermore, why didn't the Iraqi people rebel the same way when Sadaam was in power? I guess they liked him. By your logic he must belong there. They evidently want him back, because that is the alternative to us.
By the way, I don't see anybody asking to pound the Iraqi's into submission.
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[Mike Teacher]

Ever wonder about your tongue?

I mean, how it just sits there, in your mouth, even when you're not using it, all day long.

Weird.



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[TheMojoPin]

Alright, this is getting ridiculous.

EVERYONE, knock it the fuck off. It's never worth getting this personal.

Just argue your points...quit heading towards the insults and calling people names. Anymore and it's locked and the involved parties can consider themselves warned once in the "three warnings to vacation" system.

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[FMJeff]

By the way, I don't see anybody asking to pound the Iraqi's into submission.


Wait, didn't you say this?



I wish Bush was more of the cowboy that the Dem's like to claim that he is.


And what do cowboys do? They beat people up and get into fights.


This country needs to be put under military rule until the record can be set straight.


What do you think happens under military rule? Martial Law IS civilian submission, by its very defiinition. It's the enforcement of law by soldiers trained to kill and armed to teeth. What don't you undestand about that? You think that will help? You think that will stop the killing?

What record needs to be set straight? That we're in thier country for benevolent reasons? That we bombed them for thier own good? Would you accept that reasoning if the US was invaded?



self hating American who evidently feels they deserve it for being where they are not wanted


Whatttt? I NEVER said anyone deserved to die. I said put a population in a position where they feel their freedoms are being violated by an invading force and these things will happen. I am saying while although these deaths are shocking and horrible by any humane definition, there are those in Iraq who lost family and friend by American hands and feel these displays of violence are justified.

But you're right, let the military police Iraq until they know how great we are for them. They'll be better off after all. After toppling Iraq we can spread democracy to other Middle Eastern nations, replace hostile Muslim rulers with friendly puppet governments, and have a greater control over oil prices and production.



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[Iamnotatool]

Bunch of know it alls.


Who farted?

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[angrymissy]

They evidently want him back, because that is the alternative to us.

Christ, educate yourself a little bit... all you're doing is making assumptions. Do you watch the news? I think some people just come into this forum without even knowing what they're talking about. Maybe the Iraqis just want to decide for themfuckingselves who they want to rule without us poking our nose in at every turn.

By the way, I don't see anybody asking to pound the Iraqi's into submission

I guess you're not reading the same thread that I am.

This country needs to be put under military rule until the record can be set straight.

I kind of see that as "pounding them into submission"

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[angrymissy]

First of all you should buy a dictionary because we didnt ostracise anyone

ps - bestinshow, can you at least proofread your sentences before posting? I'm not trying to be the grammar police or anything, but your grammar sucks. Before you start criticizing other people's vocabulary, work on your own.

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[Bestinshow]

ps - bestinshow, can you at least proofread your sentences before posting? I'm not trying to be the grammar police or anything, but your grammar sucks. Before you start criticizing other people's vocabulary, work on your own.


First of all, this board is obnoxious enough without people forming teams. Second of all, educate me Dr.
Correct my sentence. I'm dying for the enlightenment.

Christ, educate yourself a little bit... all you're doing is making assumptions. Do you watch the news? I think some people just come into this forum without even knowing what they're talking about. Maybe the Iraqis just want to decide for themfuckingselves who they want to rule without us poking our nose in at every turn.


Wow, your good. Have you read about us wanting to get out but Iraq's spiritual leader that represents the Iraq majority wont approve our evacuation and hand over plan? And you tell me professor, if we get out , who will rule? The shiites, Kurds, sunnis? Maybe we should send Rodney King to tell them to all just get along. Than we can up and leave and they will decide. Have you read about the UN team's evaluation deciding its too soon for elections? have you read anything about this? Do you know who these people are? Sounds like someone else needs the education.

I guess you're not reading the same thread that I am.


You show me where someone wants Iraq ponded into submission.


What do you think happens under military rule? Martial Law IS civilian submission, by its very defiinition. It's the enforcement of law by soldiers trained to kill and armed to teeth. What don't you undestand about that? You think that will help? You think that will stop the killing?


The record that needs to be set straight is the false message that people like you are sending. We are not there to invade their country and this is certainly no benefit to us. Whether you agree with the justification of the war or not, we are there and now we cant leave until th ejob is finished. Leaving them in kaos will only satisfy politicians looking to politicize the conflict. Leaders in Iraq know its too soon for us to leave but I guess you two know better. And martial law , by definition, is necessary to restore order to prevent people from killing themselves, not to pound them into submission.I didn't mean military rule, persay. Obviously the goal is to get out of there and restore order. But I guess your alternative is much more humane.

I said put a population in a position where they feel their freedoms are being violated by an invading force and these things will happen.


Their freedoms are being violated by an invading force? Thats a good one.
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[angrymissy]

Second of all, educate me Dr.
Correct my sentence. I'm dying for the enlightenment.

Ask and ye shall receive. I learned this gem in the Third Grade:

Your is a possessive word and is used in contexts where one wishes to refer to a property or possession of the person being addressed. For example:

You should brush your teeth.
I will return your book soon.

In contrast, you're is an abbreviation for you are. For example:


You're good at that! -- You are good at that.
Tell me if you're interested. -- Tell me if you are interested.

Here's how to tell which form to use:

Try "you are" in your sentence as a replacement.
If it works, use "you're", otherwise use "your".

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[angrymissy]

Also, it's CHAOS, not KAOS. Please. It's annoying just to look at. If you want to sound intelligent, try to form complete rational sentences. It helps.

You just don't know how to debate. Plain and simple. Can you cite some references for me to back up your claims Mr. Hyberbole?

Thanks.

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[Bestinshow]

okay, either you quoted the wrong sentence or that doesnt apply. I didn't use you're or your in that senetence.

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[Bestinshow]

Aside from you looking for spelling errors, do you have any real substance in your posts.

I don't know how to debate?

You don't have a single fact in your posts, other than the fact you are obviously upset I am arguing with Jeff. When you have some facts to back your opinions, than we will worry about footnotes.

This board is realy turning into a joke.
Excuse me, really turning into a joke. Don't want to hear from the spelling police for a typo.

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[TheMojoPin]

Debating is directly countering the information presented by the opposing party with your own, not nitpicking their grammar on a message board.

This thread is done and everyone needs a time out.

Again, people, use a little common sense. Don't attack someone so personally with insults over their political beliefs. I can't imagine doing that with anyone less than a Nazi, and we certainly don't have anyone like that here.

Cut the shit.

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