Ron and Fez hate Don and Mike ?

[GreyHoodyShirt]

I always suspected this was true. I applaud their professionalism by not bringing it up on the air. you would have to assume their friendship with OA caused some bad blood between RF and DM. I imagine it's a "cold shoulder" situation. DM are just bitter that they are syndication failures and talentless. RF don't need to be in that environment.

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At this point it seems impossible for ANYONE to like or get along with D&M...especially Don. The man doesn't have a bridge he hasn't burned.

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[reeshy]

C'mon you guys....if it wasn't for D&M, R&F wouldn't be where they are today!!!!!!!

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[jax]

Did R&F actually say something negative about D&M on the air? I always thought I heard a touch of sarcasm when Ron would refer to them as 'the mighty mighty Don & Mike show".

[Heather 8]

To praphrase Opie, "Don likes himself so much it doesn't matter" if anyone else likes or hates him.

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[curtoid]

Since coming to DC, Ron and Fez have never said anything negative towards Don and Mike on or off the air. Recent events not with standing, for the most part D&M have said nothing but positive things about R&F.

R&F don't shy away from talking about Don and Mike and their show, but never negatively.

* Ron has told WB to follow Rob Spiwack to see what he does as a producer; they have chided WB and J-Dubs for interfering with D&M during their show; they openly talked about Lou-tard's relationship and history with D&M

* When Don and Mike returned from their suspension, Ron talked about how Don and Mike teased them about R&F eyeing their show, and Ron said he assured them that "We know they aren't building a station around US!"

* A couple of months ago when Buzz got drunk on the air, Ron came in and laughed with them about it, and continued talking about it on their show.

* During the Fez birthday show a couple of weeks ago, Wonder Boy gave Fez a Vince Lombardi book on tape. Fez suggested that that would have been a better gift for Don, since he was a Packers fan, something a casual Ron and Fez only listener wouldn't necessarily know. It sort of backs up Don when he said that he and Fez have talked football off the air.

* ANd even during yesterdays' fastest hour, less than 24 hours since Don made an ass out of himself and put R&F in an awkward situation, Ron made mention of a news report that Buzz had covered the night before.

There have been things that people can read between the lines with, but the bottom line is we really aren't privy to their personal feelings on them. Unlike Don and Mike (and Opie and Anthony, in this regard), Ron and Fez are professionals who don't have the self-destructive egos - they will not torch an entire station just because they get their feelings hurt by another show.



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I think the only time I've heard R&F talk smack about another show is about O'Reilly and "the dullest two hours in radio."

And that's 100% justified.

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[schmega]

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[zoom2457]

I think the only time I've heard R&F talk smack about another show is about O'Reilly and "the dullest two hours in radio."


You are correct, sir.

Ron and Fez don't hate anyone, they are just there to do their jobs and be entertaining.

STOP MAKING SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING!!!
Ronnie says alot of things, sometimes he says things that contradict each other. He is just being ENTERTAINING.


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[mercury29]

C'mon you guys....if it wasn't for D&M, R&F wouldn't be where they are today!!!!!!!
Actually R&F wouldn't be where they are now if it wasn't for O&A. They wouldn't have come to NY if it wasn't for O&A, and they wouldn't have had to leave NY for DC if O&A hadn't gotten cancelled. D&M probably have more to do with the fact that now R&F are most likely going back to Florida. Thank God for SU!

[zoom2457]

Actually R&F wouldn't be where they are now if it wasn't for O&A. They wouldn't have come to NY if it wasn't for O&A, and they wouldn't have had to leave NY for DC if O&A hadn't gotten cancelled. D&M probably have more to do with the fact that now R&F are most likely going back to Florida.


I find this quote extremely offensive. It seems to suggest that Ron and Fez owe everything they got to O&A.

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[Reephdweller]

I find this quote extremely offensive. It seems to suggest that Ron and Fez owe everything they got to O&A.


It may be offensive, but in some ways it is true. When WNEW was just music and O&A and they changed formats to a talk station the only real advertising Ron and Fez got was via O&A. Now I'm not saying they owe everything to them, they're where they are by their own talents. But you cannot deny the fact that O&A helped familiarize their New York audience with Ron and Fez and which helped in their ratings.

This is not to say that Ron and Fez aren't talented enough, but O&A having them on their show, and the various crossovers and AFRO shows definitely helped them get exposure to their show.

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[curtoid]

I find this quote extremely offensive. It seems to suggest that Ron and Fez owe everything they got to O&A.

Thank you.

I 100% agree.

Ron and Fez are second to no one.

Ron and Fez had a very successful career for years and years before O&A went in front of the microphone, and the way I remember things playing out, it was Jeremy Coleman (who was PD at WJFK at the time) who originally wanted to bring R&F up to Washington in 1999 and 2000.

After being on in Daytona for two years (which, of course, followed the "Ron and Ron" years), Ron and Fez went to New York February 28, 2000. I am 99% sure it coincides with Jeremy arriving in New York as WNEW's PD, where he made the decision to try and replicate the success they had in Washington with the hot talk format. They began their evening (11pm - 3am) broadcast ("RonAndFez.com") in DC March 27th of that same year. The reason they weren't on 7 - 11 in DC at the time was because that's where the Sports Junkies were on - a show Jeremy helped create, but whose personalities he really didn't like.

Ultimately it was Jeremy, not O&A, that got them to NY.

O&A having them on their show, and the various crossovers and AFRO shows definitely helped them get exposure to their show.

O&A promoting them maybe added .2 of a percent to their overall ratings (their ratings were never that glorious); this mythic AFRO zone everyone references with such hushed reverence was only on the air for a couple of months (Don and Mike were canned in May and O&A were canned in August; AFRO was the filler between these two events) and often was sans the "O" - and because of the multiple summer vacations, sans both the "O" and the "A"; O&A learned more on how to communicate and being funny being around Ron and Fez than the other way around.

Were they friends? Sure. Did it help R&F? Sure - at the time. However, when O&A fell, many of their friends did too.

Thankfully the only way that really effects R&F these days is that only Don still sees O&A when he sees Ron and Fez (and WB too), which is the crux of any current problem people want to speculate on (look what I just did! it only took a few edits to get this back on topic!!). And that said, we don't really know WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES!!!!

In the long run none of this really matters because of the nature of the business. R&F will be attractive to any broadcast company because they they are funny, they are professionals, they have LOYAL listeners who will clock in for full 4 hours (which is HA-UGE), and they have shown to be survivors who won't be liabilites to their employers.

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[JPMNICK]

I don't think anyone, especially people who post on this board deny how good ron and fez are. I think the situation was more like this. O&A got their listeners to tune into ron and fez. ron and fez, who put on such a great show were able to keep the people tuned in a listening.
O&A also promoted ferell and his ratings were never great.
In the end, i think O&A contributed a lot to helping ron and fez gain listenership. I know this is why i started to listen to them. But what kept me listening was a great show.



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[Reephdweller]

O&A promoting them maybe added .2 of a percent to their overall ratings (their ratings were never that glorious); this mythic AFRO zone everyone references with such hushed reverence was only on the air for a couple of months



I wasn't really referring to the actual AFRO shows that were created after the demise of Don and Mike, but rather the AFRO shows that would happen during Ron and Fez's actual time slots. Whether they were in the afternoon, or at 7 or at 11 or during the .com shows. Either O&A or Anthony or Opie would come in the studio and hang out. And Ron and Fez would do the same on O&A's show.

I believe that a big portion people in New York who listened to O&A gave Ron and Fez a shot and listened to their first intial shows because O&A were praising them did a number of initial crossovers to get people familiar with their show. It was that kind of exposure that got people curious enough to tune them in and helped get their initial audience. I'm not saying Ron and Fez didn't have the talent to develop their own audience, but they certainly grew in listenership thanks in part to people being introduced to them by O&A.

By the time Ron and Fez were taken off the air in New York they had already proven on their own that they were talented enough on their own in major markets to attract large audiences. My only comment was their initial foray into the New York radio market was helped by O&A. Not that Ron and Fez owe everything or anything to them. Just that they did help in some ways.

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[curtoid]

It was clear listening to Ron and Fez in New York that many of their callers were O&A fans too. I guess I find it a bit miopic to gauge all listeners to any one radio show based on the callers and people who post on message boards, because they represent about 5% of those that actually listen.

I actually have a good friend from NJ who tried to get me into Opie and Anthony a good year before they were on WJFK; at one point I asked if they listened to Ron and Fez, and he, and his friends, said they couldn't stand them. I checked back in a year or so later a few more times, even after O&A were taken off the air, and their opinions hadn't changed.

It wouldn't be fair for me to take from that that all O&A listeners hated Ron and Fez, however it did illustrate that not all hardcore O&A fans instantly = R&F fans. To a casual listener, which most people are, these were two very, very, VERY different shows.

Aside from being defensive about R&F oweing anyone anything for their success, I guess I'm frustrated that many people who argue the point that, at the very least, Ron and Fez benefited from a good relationship from O&A because many of their listeners were listeners of Opie and Anthony, will not concede that R&F were in potentially the same situation here in DC.

Everyone continues on with ridiculous, petty, childish grudges because their radio show hosts egos were bruised.

Never mind that many of the listeners that Ron and Fez are trying to attract also listen to Don and Mike. To some, they would rather have Ron and Fez unemployed, or worse...BACK IN FLORIDA (ha ha), than to admit that Don and Mike listeners might also tune into Ron and Fez.

I just did a quick scan of a Don and Mike newsgroup, and found several threads that talked about Ron and Fez:

Here's one about Don being a dick... (http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&th=f2b9a20f1712c242)

Here's something else... (http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&th=f91aa3ef9b077e51)

Another one... (http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&th=14e1f5d6d54effd4)

And another... (http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&th=fb07fcd91c4e223e)

Looky! It's another! (http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&start=175&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.fan.don-n-mike&safe=off&selm=20040323171915.28938.00000243%40mb-m25.aol.com)

More... (http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&th=537a1eac5a872b10)

And one last one... (http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&th=be0bb38e2123fbb5)

Many of them are very critical of Don and Mike, while some just love to comment on R&F. Many other threads also direct people to get feeds, for not only R&F and D&M, but also O&A. Hell, even Johnny Fairplay, from Survivor, became a fan of Ron and Fez because he listened to the D&M feed - he was originally from the DC area - and heard them mentioned.

A real shame more of those people don't feel more welcome around here, which has been my point for over a year now.



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[mercury29]

I find this quote extremely offensive. It seems to suggest that Ron and Fez owe everything they got to O&A.

Thank you.

I 100% agree.

Ron and Fez are second to no one.

Ron and Fez had a very successful career for years and years before O&A went in front of the microphone, and the way I remember things playing out, it was Jeremy Coleman (who was PD at WJFK at the time) who originally wanted to bring R&F up to Washington in 1999 and 2000.

After being on in Daytona for two years (which, of course, followed the "Ron and Ron" years), Ron and Fez went to New York February 28, 2000. I am 99% sure it coincides with Jeremy arriving in New York as WNEW's PD, where he made the decision to try and replicate the success they had in Washington with the hot talk format. They began their evening (11pm - 3am) broadcast ("RonAndFez.com") in DC March 27th of that same year. The reason they weren't on 7 - 11 in DC at the time was because that's where the Sports Junkies were on - a show Jeremy helped create, but whose personalities he really didn't like.

Ultimately it was Jeremy, not O&A, that got them to NY.

O&A having them on their show, and the various crossovers and AFRO shows definitely helped them get exposure to their show.

O&A promoting them maybe added .2 of a percent to their overall ratings (their ratings were never that glorious); this mythic AFRO zone everyone references with such hushed reverence was only on the air for a couple of months (Don and Mike were canned in May and O&A were canned in August; AFRO was the filler between these two events) and often was sans the "O" - and because of the multiple summer vacations, sans both the "O" and the "A"; O&A learned more on how to communicate and being funny being around Ron and Fez than the other way around.

Were they friends? Sure. Did it help R&F? Sure - at the time. However, when O&A fell, many of their friends did too.

Thankfully the only way that really effects R&F these days is that only Don still sees O&A when he sees Ron and Fez (and WB too), which is the crux of any current problem people want to speculate on (look what I just did! it only took a few edits to get this back on topic!!). And that said, we don't really know WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES!!!!

In the long run none of this really matters because of the nature of the business. R&F will be attractive to any broadcast company because they they are funny, they are professionals, they have LOYAL listeners who will clock in for full 4 hours (which is HA-UGE), and they have shown to be survivors who won't be liabilites to their employers.

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That's not what I meant. I'm not trying to shortchange R&F, I'm merely trying to point out a direct comment from Ron the day O&A were cancelled. That is in no way trying to take anything away from them. I didn't mean to offend you. I was merely making a point.

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Freak.

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Doesn't anyone listen for enjoyment? Who cares who hates who.


Last time it was called ass-kissing; so be it.

The last word in the world I would associate Ron with is Hate. Having lotsa time [read; no life] and having a small but workable studio, I send Ron TONS of stuff; he mentions it on the air, sometimes to the point where I'm like 'sheesh; the guy could just say nothing and use it, I dont need credit, but he mentions me', and he does.

And in the past, when he didnt play some stuff [open: Confessional] I've sent him some nasty Whiny Bitch e-mails along the lines of 'I guess my stuff isnt good enough for you guys' and I look back, and listen back at the stuff, and thank GOD he decided Not to run it.

In fact, there a bunch of stuff I'd say he ran of mine, that stunk on ice. Hey, I gotta be objective; if a person cant criticize their own work; how can they tell when they Nailed one? Not that I've nailed one yet.

Meaning; looking back; Ron has been nothing but polite to me, and supporting; even when I havent been to him. More then once. Cringing now thinking about it. Ugh.

[insert Chris Farley image from any one of a number of scenes where he's beating himself up physically or emotionally]

I feel like I'm dropping 'insider' type stuff. Fuck it; it's not about my stuff making air, it's about R+F who have just gone out of their Way to welcome people.

And here I will say the one and only thing I will say about whatever the hell is going on at WJFK. And that is: I don't know what the hell is going on. Know why? I havent asked. I send audio daily, Christ I flood those guys. But I'm not asking, for one reason:

Aint none of my business, and I respect whatever the fuck they want. I defer to them; coz hey sure as Fuck have Geneous to me. Absurdly Generous.

[insert Forrest Gump voice]

...and that's all I'm gonna say about Tha-At...'

[Edit: So much for Forrest. One other reason I dont ask them. It's not that big of a deal. Right now, as we speak, people are shooting at each other, and tanks are rolling down peoples streets. THOSE people have something to be worried about. Thats a Big Deal. My brother was at a Conference with other Managers at his company two months ago. One of them had a Massive MI and died there, in the room. High pressure bond sales and all that. No good-byes to family, no last words, the guy slumped out of his chair and dead. EMTs are in building; thats how fast they got to him. Nada. Dead.]

That's a big deal.

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[JohnnyCash]

I never found the Don & Mike show funny at all. The way Don bitched and acted like a little girl when that shit started between them and O&A just shows how much of a dick he is. And its fucked up what he just did to R&F.

I hope the Don & Mike show is the next one to go.

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[curtoid]

Mojo & Alkey - you both live in my computer.

Mizzle - I was laughing Monday, I believe, when you got mentioned about 3 or 4 times. I almost PMed you to suggest a new nick name: "Third Chair" haha

Personally, I enjoy your stuff on there, and I assume Ron does too, or else it wouldn't make it. As for what doesn't, I would just trust their judgement, etc, etc, etc.

I went in last Friday with Bone Daddy after seeing Kill Bill, the night after the shit hit the fan. I might have picked up on some stuff, I might not have: it really doesn't matter. Like you said, I chose not to ask. It isn't my business.

If they are planning on leaving, I'll be happy for them/sad for me/ relieved that I got to spend some time with them in person, and over the radio / and I'll figure a way to keep listening, as best I can. If they do end up staying put, then I didn't burn any bridges / didn't prostrate myself (any more so than usual) / and hopefully never made them feel awkward - well, no more so than usual!!!


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thats not a slam on Rnf, i think what hes saying is that Rnf wouldnt have ever got a gig in NYC if OnA didnt have a succeful show, and infinity wasnt trying to build a talk station around OnA.
and as a New yorker, i agree Rnf wouldnt have gotten to NYC if it werent for OnA. Thats not to say Rnf didnt deserve it or OnA are better then RnF , its just that RnF wouldnt have had anywhere else to go in the NYC market. Besides H.Stern there wasnt/isnt any comedy/talk programs in NYC except morning wacky zoo radio + pop music shows.
so in conclusion if it werent for OnA getting ratings in NYC, RnF would have never came to NY (b/c there were no place for them) and thanks to the OnA St.Pats F UP Rnf are were they are b/c of OnA. so they helped Rnf and hurt Rnf.

i love both shows equally .

[whorehay]

O&A didnt do jack in getting me to listen to ron and fez.
i just listened to O&A because they were on the radio. i didnt hate them, but i didnt go ape over them like everyone else seems to be.

although i must admit the days where the fued with them and don and mike were just starting, THAT was great radio. they were ruthless toward eachother.

ron and fez werent even on here in DC till around midnight (i think). i know my first time hearing them was 2am one night in november 2002. fez caught my attention, then the chemistry with ron was perfect. they got me from the first listen. great stuff to this day. plus they show gratitude with the callers. something that don and mike dont do. that gets old fast.
but whatever. i'll still listen, so who am i to complain

[ToxicGarden]

I always thought R&F were in NYC before O&A.

Either way, I hate o&a. I Just find them lame.
I wish nothing but bad things on that show. Damn then to hell!!!! jk.
The D&M show have a lot of hate for anyone who poses a threat to them by being funnier. I call it the David Letterman syndrome.
The only thing more annoying than D&M , are their dumb ass loser fans who THINK they put on a good show.
Count the # of times Don says "I" in a 10 min block.
Mike should bitch slap him and get his own show called the bad voice guy.

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I always thought R&F were in NYC before O&A.


Nope. O&A beat them there by a couple of years.

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