Boston Tea Party - Terrorism?

[Furtherman]

Would you say that the Boston Tea Party was, at the time, an act of terrorism?


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[Patches]

No. They were white.

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[jeffdwright2001]

No. They were white.
It was pretend terrorism. They were dressed like Indians.

[ChickenHawk]

I could be wrong, but I don't remember anyone DYING at this little gathering.

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[IrishAlkey]

What about the fish that were allergic to caffeine?

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[jeffdwright2001]

I could be wrong, but I don't remember anyone DYING at this little gathering.
I'm pretty sure they temporarily dyed their skin to pass as Indians.

[DarkHippie]

I could be wrong, but I don't remember anyone DYING at this little gathering.
so if some one blows up a bomb but no one gets hurt, its not terrorism.

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[ChickenHawk]

There was a bomb at the Boston tea party? I was under the impression it was just a bunch of fake Indians dumping crates into the harbor.

If polluting is terrorism, put me on the 'enemy combatant' list.

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[DarkHippie]

it seems to me that you're under the impression that for something to be terrorism, someone must die.

And no, polluting isn't terrorism, but breaking onto a ship and destoying its cargo as a political statement is.
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[furie]

it was more civil disobedience. no one was injured. in fact civilians were not targeted.
so no. i'd say it wasn't terrorism.



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[ChickenHawk]

Then you clearly missed my point.

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[jeffdwright2001]

There was a bomb at the Boston tea party? I was under the impression it was just a bunch of fake Indians dumping crates into the harbor.
There was probably "gunpowder green tea".

terúrorúism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

source: American Heritage Dictionary.

[A.J.]

It wasn't terrorism -- it was a Patriot Act.

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[TheMojoPin]

it was more civil disobedience. no one was injured. in fact civilians were not targeted.

Bingo.

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[DarkHippie]

So then where is the line between civil disobedience and terrorism in the modern day? Surely if a group a people raided a cargo plane at an airport and destroyed the shipment, everyone would cry "terrorist."

And if a protestor skirimishes with a cop, does he become a terrorist too? Emma Goldman? Malcom X? The Steelworkers of Homefront? Would we ship them to Camp X-Ray?

It's sad but inevitable that a country based on radical change will do what it can to squash radical change.

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[East Side Dave]

I agree with Dark Hippie- we should kill all dem Injuns!!!!! Yeeehhaaaww!! That was his point, wasn't it?

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[DarkHippie]

Hang the wagonburners!!!!

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[furie]

Surely if a group a people raided a cargo plane at an airport and destroyed the shipment, everyone would cry "terrorist."


No, because that's happened before. We just called them vandals.


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[Dudeman]

Did the North win the civil war in part because Sherman attacked the Sourthern civilians?


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[DarkHippie]

No, because that's happened before. We just called them vandals.
I'm talking after 9/11, and theorhetically. throw me a frickin bone here.

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[furie]

we're talking pre 9/11. circa 1775. Boston Tea Party. topic. remember?


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[HBox]

remember?

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[FUNKMAN]

if they did the same thing today they would probably have the job outsourced to indians...

wouldn't call it terrorism, i'd tell you it's a revolution

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[keithy_19]

Weren't they also drunk? I thought I heard that they were blitzed when they did this, but I could be wrong.

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Weren't they also drunk?


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[DarkHippie]

Weren't they also drunk?
Was Sam Adams there?

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[furie]

actually, yes he was


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[shamus mcfitzy]

it was more civil disobedience. no one was injured. in fact civilians were not targeted.


Well technically civilians would be using that tea. It's probably terrorism under the definition of the word but obviously not as severe as what is commonly known as terrorism. There were other times when American's were killing civilians though so it's out of the question to think that our revolutionaries didn't use terrorism. But really most revolutionaries use terrorism. It's ok if you win :)

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[ChickenHawk]

If you drive an SUV or smoke weed, congratulations. You're no better than Osama.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

This is actually an interesting discussion of conservatism of yesterday and today. For instance, Long Island is a hotbed of conservatism today. However, during the revolution, it was a haven for Loyalists. In fact, my village was founded by a staunch loyalist who was actually a ringleader in a plot to kidnap George Washington.

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[TheMojoPin]

So they went from one group of people wanting nothing to change and the status quo to stay as it is to...oh.

OH.

Right.



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[Furtherman]

If you go by the American Heritage Dictionary definition that jeffdwright2001 provided, then yes, the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism.

However, there really wasn't any "terror" put upon the people of Boston. No one was killed.

I'd mark it up to vandalism.

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[jeffdwright2001]

The Boston Tea Party in my opinion was not an act of Terrorism (despite the current definition I shared from the Dictionary).

The English (and English Loyalists) viewed it as Treason. The Colonists involved (for the most part) viewed it as a Demonstration. They were taking a stand for basic English rights that they felt were being denied to them.

Terrorism is a more modern term that is at times out of place when applied to historical events of the past. There is a reason we still call it an American Revolution. Partly because, revolutions are not inherently good or bad. They just are. Often, it's not until many years have passed before the full effect of the revolutions can be seen and those judgements can be passed, and even then their have to be allowances for individual instances or impact that fall on both sides of the line.

Edit: it's important to be careful or at least aware of "present-mindedness" which is the act of judging historical events by the standards and thoughts of today. We have the advantage of historical data and the knowledge of how events actually played out, while we forget that there was no crystal ball to tell them all of the implications involved in their decisions.

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[El Mudo]

Did the North win the civil war in part because Sherman attacked the Sourthern civilians?


No they won because as a result of the Battle of Sharpsburg in 1862. This gave Lincoln the "victory" he needed to issue the Emancipation Proclamation, which turned the war into a war to free the slaves, which insured no European nation would get involved, which was the only way the South had a chance of winning....

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[furie]

Long Island is a hotbed of conservatism today. However, during the revolution, it was a haven for Loyalists.


yeah, i'm with mojo on this one. loyalisit would be today's conservatives


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[FMJeff]

some define terrorism as the destruction of property to bring attention to a cause...so i guess in that respect it was...

however, you have to keep in mind the word "terror"...the only people who would be terrified by the boston tea party were those throwing a tea party the next day without tea to serve....


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[NewYorkDragons80]

Don't misunderstand my post. Loyalists were conservatives. I myself am more conservative than liberal. I'm just pointing out the irony.

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[HBox]

I myself am more conservative than liberal. I'm just pointing out the irony.

What irony? Everyone knows conservatives hate America! ;)

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[furie]

For instance, Long Island is a hotbed of conservatism today. However, during the revolution, it was a haven for Loyalists. In fact, my village was founded by a staunch loyalist who was actually a ringleader in a plot to kidnap George Washington.


where's the irony in that statement?


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[Yerdaddy]

where's the irony in that statement?

"a hot bed of conservatism"

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[NewYorkDragons80]

where's the irony in that statement?
Conservatives claim to have exclusive rights to patriotism. Again, I am conservative-leaning, but I don't think appreciation of America is limited to Conservatives.

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[TheMojoPin]

Then please, tell them that.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

It'll be the first point of order at the meeting.

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[zoom2457]

One person's terrorists is another person's freedom fighters.

It all depends on whose side you are on.



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[furie]

you can be a freedom fighter without being a terrorist


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