New 2004 Presidential Poll!

[curtoid]

Knowing that we are less than 6 months away now from knowing who the President for the next 4 years will be, who do you support - and is that support strong/solid (in other words, you are voting that way, regardless - and there's nothing anyone can say or do to change your mind), or soft/flexible (you can still change your mind between now and then, even if you are leaning towards this candidate).

Nader is thrown into the mix, as is the ever popular "Not Going To Vote," which ususally gets the majority of the voters anyway.

Have fun...and enjoy.

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This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 5-9-04 @ 10:36 PM

[furie]

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[BoondockSaint]

Huh huh.....poll

oh wait that was yesterday.

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[curtoid]

Glad to see the participation with the poll - I hope more and more folks do.

Kind of interesting that (as of now) 19 people have taken the poll (errrr...so to speak), but no one is coming on to make their case - which is cool. For me, my point has been made again and again, so no need to say much more.



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[Tall_James]

I voted Curtoid but will not be making my case for why I chose the way I did. I don't believe that I have to or should justify my vote in a public forum.


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[ozzie]

...6 months away now from knowing who the President for the next 8 years will be...
Was I high while an amendment was passed?

President of what? The European Central Bank? The International Olympic Committee?

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[curtoid]

James - I wasn't soliciting for people to comment; in fact, I kind of like just the polling, without bogging down into quibbling, etc.

The real reason I posted that was to bump it back into an active thread! I'd love to get as many people to vote on it as possible.

Was I high while an amendment was passed?

No...I must have been when I made the poll.



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[Tall_James]

That's cool. I was just on my soapbox about my personal thoughts regarding the voting process.


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white baby! Five years! Okay, what else you got? Said, two Koreans and one Negro bom with the heart outside.

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[Yerdaddy]

That's cool. I was just on my soapbox about my personal thoughts regarding the voting process.

You know, there's soap in that box. Doh!

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[Patches]

So far Kerry is trouncing Bush. Damn dirty hippies.

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[DeltaPin]

So far Kerry is trouncing Bush. Damn dirty hippies.


Yes, but as always they'll be too stoned on election day to remember to vote.


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[shamus mcfitzy]

what do we vote if we're voting for Kucnich or some 4th candidate (and don't say " 'won't vote' because your vote don't matter in that case"). Whatever I'll vote Kerry in your little poll.

Curtoid slipped with the 8 year thing. From that its obvious what he expects. (And he's getting it)

[curtoid]

what do we vote if we're voting for Kucnich or some 4th candidate (and don't say " 'won't vote' because your vote don't matter in that case"). Whatever I'll vote Kerry in your little poll.

Curtoid slipped with the 8 year thing. From that its obvious what he expects. (And he's getting it)

Thank you for playing my lil' reinedeer game - I should have included "someone else" or "write in" and if it hadn't had so much response I would change it - an unintentional over-sight on my part, as was the "8" year thing! Honest! And hey...I fixed it, didn't I?!

One correction - I do not *expect* Kerry to win. It's what I was maybe *hoping* for, but as much as I would like to see a clear victory in this particular election (on Kerry's side, natch), I'm afraid that it will be as close as it was in 2000.

Who knows.

The real motivation was to see what kind of support the candidates were getting (at least by people on rf.net); I had been reading that Kerry's support was softer than Bush's across the country, so in that respect our current results are not at all what I imagined.



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[Furtherman]

I like what this guy is doing.

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[LarryCrunt]

Unfortunately, he has too many Anti-American signage and anarchistic bullshit on his site, and the "I'm for free-speech" sputum is also crap. I submitted a pro-american military pic to him last fall, and got a rude response from the cocksucker, too bad I deleted it. He's a 17 year old little jerkoff, I'm sure.

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[TheMojoPin]

What are you doing for your beliefs?



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[LarryCrunt]

SImilar things, different message. I'm really really sick to fucking death of the "fashionable" 'BLAME AMERICA FIRST' crowd, who are lucky not only to be in this "horrible" country, but lucky to be alive. They do nothing constructive, yet yell and scream at all that they consider "injustices". Most are out of work, willingly, and have way too much hate for everything that is good and honorable in American society. I was never that political until 9/11 when I heard the R&F show for the first time, and discovered an awareness about the world that I never had before. Can you see how the pro-America attitude has degenerated to the BLAME America attitude of the left? If you want to bush bash, be my guest, but the tearing down of AMERICA is out of control, and I would like to think that everyone here is against that. Pay attention to whom you support, and who supports THEM when you vote for President. Pay more attention to who is backed by who, and don't give me that Enron & Haliburton shit, Clinton increased their contrats more than Bush did, and many previous admins have used their services.

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[TheMojoPin]

Lay it on me, big man.

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[LarryCrunt]

I was editing when you posted. Do you have to be insulting that way, big man? And what is a Mod Quote?

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I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

Anti-"the current government" does NOT automatically mean "anti-American," as you seem to so desperately want to believe.

You're buried in a world of catch phrases and buzzwords. Live in it if you wish.

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[LarryCrunt]

Anti-"the current government" does NOT automatically mean "anti-American," as you seem to so desperately want to believe.

You're buried in a world of catch phrases and buzzwords. Live in it if you wish.

That's not what I said, and specifically what I clarified. If you were paying attention, you would have been able to see that. Again, you have absolutely no ammo to dispute my opinions with whatever your own are, other than to criticize me for my opinions with lies and accusations. Perhaps you can intelligently debate anything I've said here, and not resort to odd accusations so we can all see what your opposing viewpoints to mine are? I would love to have an intelligent debate with you, since you seem so strong in whatever your "side" is. Go for it, big man.

Let's see if I'm banned for this, or if "free speech" is allowed here.

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[Yerdaddy]

I made a bunny out of sputum

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[TheMojoPin]

Let's see if I'm banned for this, or if "free speech" is allowed here.

Why the hell would you be banned for any of what you posted? YOU'RE the one making this a strawman "free speech" issue, not anyone else.

And as for the rest, I'm all for discussion and debate...so post anything that backs up any of your opinions. That tends to be the course for people on any "side" here...they point to interviews, sites, articles, books...ANYTHING. Thus far you've tossed out well tred exagerations and over-generalizations, such as the following...

SImilar things, different message. I'm really really sick to fucking death of the "fashionable" 'BLAME AMERICA FIRST' crowd, who are lucky not only to be in this "horrible" country, but lucky to be alive. They do nothing constructive, yet yell and scream at all that they consider "injustices". Most are out of work, willingly, and have way too much hate for everything that is good and honorable in American society. I was never that political until 9/11 when I heard the R&F show for the first time, and discovered an awareness about the world that I never had before. Can you see how the pro-America attitude has degenerated to the BLAME America attitude of the left?

Can you actually back ANY of that up without resorting to broad accusations, political pundit stereotypes and gut instict? You're conveniently vague whenever it comes to actually pointing out who or what is the "problem" in your rants...just unclear and non-specific assertions that it's a nefarious "them"(ie - "the Left").

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[Furtherman]

This new does not surprise me at all.

It is good to see that even some Republicans realize the wrong doings of the current administration.

Former officials to condemn Bush foreign policy (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/13/bush.criticism/index.html)

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[JerryTaker]

Perhaps you can intelligently debate anything I've said here, and not resort to odd accusations so we can all see what your opposing viewpoints to mine are?

Great, another friggin' Neocon convert, who responds to every counterpoint by calling them "baseless lies and accusations." This really scares me, because I can't imagine someone who wants to live in a country where greed is rewarded and the poor are sent off to die senselessly...

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[Tazz]

because I can't imagine someone who wants to live in a country where greed is rewarded and the poor are sent off to die senselessly...


Can you clarify this so that I can see if there is a good way to respond to it?

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[JerryTaker]

I'm too busy working two jobs to make ends meet that I don't have time to go look for sources that you're just going to say aren't credible, so I'll just call 'em as I see em.

Tax cuts on the wealthiest 1%, at least a repeal on Clinton's tax hike on them that lead to 8 years of growth and a surplus.

Tax breaks for companies that outsource overseas, thus increasing thier bottom line while putting skilled Americans out of work.

Throughout all this, small companies are being taxed more than they can afford, either directly or indirectly, and cannot hope to compete with established corporations.

Meanwhile....

15 of 19 Hijackers were Saudi Arabian, yet we Attack Iraq. huh?

Funds are missapropriated from Afghanastan (and I'm all for that fight) into the pointless war in Iraq, leading to complete underfunding to the overstretched millitary on a personal level, such as armor, ammunition, etc...

We've completed our "mission" in December, We took out Hussein. Why haven't we put the Iraqui people to work rebuilding thier infrastructure. We've turned them into a third world nation that has to suck at our teat to survive, and they're not too pleased about that, so they're rebelling, and Our soldiers are dying because Hallibuton, Kellog, GE, etc, won't give up thier contracts. They're a bunch of "war profiteers" and we're paying for it.

ok, let's hear it....

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[curtoid]

Yes...there are many people who view the peoples of the United States in two very different camps...Democrats, and Americans.





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[canofsoup15]

Just found this interesting:


John Kerry believes that women have the right to control their own bodies, their own lives, and their own destinies. He believes that the Constitution protects their right to choose and to make their own decisions in consultation with their doctor, their conscience, and their God. He will defend this right as President. He recently announced he will support only pro-choice judges to the Supreme Court. (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/)

But wait:

But even as he tried to avoid making news Sunday, Kerry broke new ground in an interview that ran in the Dubuque, Iowa, Telegraph Herald. A Catholic who supports abortion rights and has taken heat from some in the church hierarchy for his stance, Kerry told the paper, "I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A27920-2004Jul4?language=printer)

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[TheMojoPin]

He's pro-choice, but personally anti-abortion.

What's the big deal?

That's exactly what I am. I would never dream of thinking I or anyone else can dictate a woman's right to choose whether or she wants to have an abortion. But personally, I loathe the idea of an abortion, and would NEVER want my wife or girlfriend to get one...but in the end, it's her choice.

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[monsterone]

i guess i'm a throw away cuz i'm voting 3rd party. rebs/ dems are cut from the same cloth and i don't believe kerry will do anything different, except for a few token acts concerning environment and social welfare. but it will be politics as usual.

i really don't feel the country will change until we start broadening the political horizon and eliminating the apeithy/ divide and conquer tatics of the 2 major parties.

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[canofsoup15]

I wasn't saying that I found the holy grail for the Bush campaign, its just an example of how these politicians can change their beliefs in an instant depending on the situation or the location. It just seemed odd because I saw a clip of him at a pro-abortion rally and he seemed to have fire in his eyes.

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[TheMojoPin]

pro-abortion rally

There's no such thing. And even if the world was bizarre and fucked up enough there WAS such a thing, NO politician would be caught there, no matter how "liberal" they claimed to be.

(Yes, I know he probably meant to say "pro-CHOICE rally." I'm just being a prick.)

its just an example of how these politicians can change their beliefs in an instant depending on the situation or the location

Which they usually do...but he actually didn't with what you posted. In the first he stated he fully supports the right of a woman to choose if SHE wishes to get an abortion. In the second article, he states that HE personally finds the idea of abortion something he doesn't like. One does not prove or disprove anything about the other. The man can easily have both opinions, and they're not indicative of any kind of fence-playing.

Not liking abortion doesn't mean you can't think OTHER people can't have the right to choose to have one. Not everyone who is pro-choice thinks abortion is a good or even acceptable choice. I know I don't.

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[canofsoup15]

Fuck this argument. You win.

EDIT: It wasn't a pro-abortion rally, it was an average Kerry rally but I distinctly remember him talking about abortion.

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[curtoid]

What do we think of The Winston Churchill argument?

It's been batted about for a few months now, from Time Magazine to a recent Wall Street Journal article, that one of the best offensive Kerry could use against Bush IS to actually stress the positive:

Andrew Sullivan said this in Time: "Here's what a really smart Democratic contender could say to the president this fall: 'Thank you, Mr president, for your leadership in difficult times. You took some tough decisions and we are safer as a result. But the very qualities that made you a perfect pick for the war so far are the very ones that make you less effective from now on. You are too polarizing a figure to bring real peace to Iraq. You are too unpopular to allow European governments to cooperate fully in the attempt to hunt down terrorists. And your deep unpopularity in half the country makes it impossible for you to make the necessary compromises that the country needs domestically. Thanks for all you've done, but bye-bye.'"

Everything except the "bye-bye" I would agree with.

I wasn't saying that I found the holy grail for the Bush campaign, its just an example of how these politicians can change their beliefs in an instant depending on the situation or the location. It just seemed odd because I saw a clip of him at a pro-abortion rally and he seemed to have fire in his eyes.

Hmmmmm...now would be an EXCELLENT place to insert the story of how a young George W. Bush paid for the abortion of an underaged girlfriend, back BEFORE Roe V. Wade, and the rumors that that wasn't the only one...but hey...Kerry is the only who "flip flops" right?!



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[canofsoup15]

Kerry hasn't had the time for terror briefing. Who does he think he is, Bush?! (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm)

Nowadays, missing terror briefings isn't necessarily a good thing. I fail to believe he "didn't have time" for a short briefing about what went on at least. He shouldn't be hearing what happened in the meeting from Larry King.

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how a young George W. Bush paid for the abortion of an underaged girlfriend, back BEFORE Roe V. Wade, and the rumors that that wasn't the only one

Proof?

I seem to recall "rumors" about Clinton fathering a child with a black woman.


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