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FUNKMAN
05-08-2004, 04:53 PM
With the recent happenings regarding the abuse of prisoners in Iraq, I keep hearing president Bush and some others saying over and over "This Is Not America"...

I would just have to say 'This is definitely part of America". I feel this is an attitude by some of our leaders that choose not to 'acknowledge', 'admit', or 'have a clue' about everything that goes on within America.

We have:

> Murders
> Rape
> Domestic Violence
> Child Sex Offenders
> Child Abductions
> Violent Crime
> Drug Addiction
> Alcohol Addiction
> Corporate Corruption
> Justice System Corruption
> the list goes on

I'm not saying i don't love this country but who are we to push Democracy on another country? We should clean our own house first.

It's just like any other problem that needs to be treated, you first have to admit that there is a problem!



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U.S. Prison Population At New High
April 20, 2000 1:27 a.m. EDT
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The number of imprisoned American adults hit a record high of 1.86 million last year, the Justice Department says.

The prison population grew at a slower rate last year, the department said. However, with the latest increase of nearly 60,000 prisoners, the United States may have matched or even surpassed Russia as the country with the highest rate of incarceration.

As of June 1999, prisons and jails held 1,860,520 people, according to a Bureau of Justice Statistics report. That's an increase of more than a million people since 1985, when the figure was less 800,000.

Last year's total included more than 1.1 million state prisoners, about 606,000 men and women in local jails, and about 118,000 federal inmates. The rate of state and federal prison growth was 4.4 percent, the lowest since the 2.3 percent growth in 1979.

While the growth rate for state and local prisons declined last year, federal prisons continued to hold more people, adding more than 11,000 inmates.




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BoondockSaint
05-08-2004, 05:06 PM
I think they are referring to the fact that we have not, in the past, tortured captive soldiers from other countries. Have we? Probably. Have other countries tortured US soldiers? Yes. The point they are trying to prove is that we fight fair. Do we? No. You can not win wars by fighting fair.

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FUNKMAN
05-08-2004, 05:12 PM
I'm not arguing but if that were the case then they should say that "There Is Not A History" of this activity. They are trying to portray America as the 'example of perfect morality' and i think this is fuel that feeds the resentment from around the world.



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BoondockSaint
05-08-2004, 05:23 PM
never mind. i'm drunk.

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TooCute
05-08-2004, 05:37 PM
What about the places that could care less about these.


What about them?

...and what about the places that couldn't care less?

HMM???

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BoondockSaint
05-08-2004, 05:42 PM
What about the places that could care less about these.


What about them?

...and what about the places that couldn't care less?

HMM???

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Alice S. Fuzzybutt
05-08-2004, 06:16 PM
If someone says, "irregardless" I'm going to go on a shooting spree.

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05-08-2004, 06:18 PM
Irregardless of what others may say about you, Alice, I still think you're the cat's pajama's!!!!!!!!

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Mike Teacher
05-08-2004, 06:28 PM
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This is not America, sha la la la la
A little piece of you The little peace in me Will die [This is not a miracle] For this is not America

Blossom fails to bloom This season Promise not to stare Too long [This is not America] For this is not the miracle

There was a time A storm that blew so pure For this could be the biggest sky And I could have The faintest idea

[For this is not America, sha la la la la, sha la la la la, sha la la la la This is not america, no, this is not, sha la la la la]

Snowman melting From the inside Falcon spirals To the ground [This could be the biggest sky] So bloody red Tomorrow's clouds

A little piece of you The little piece in me Will die [This could be a miracle] For this is not America

There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea

[For this is not America, sha la la la la, sha la la la la, sha la la la la This is not america, no, this is not, sha la la la This is not america, no, this is not This is not america, no, this is not, sha la la la]


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high fly
05-09-2004, 05:36 PM
I think they are referring to the fact that we have not, in the past, tortured captive soldiers from other countries. Have we? Probably. Have other countries tortured US soldiers? Yes. The point they are trying to prove is that we fight fair. Do we? No. You can not win wars by fighting fair.



HEY BOONDOCK SAINT! In what war was torturing prisoners the factor that "turned the tide" for the victor?





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NewYorkDragons80
05-09-2004, 06:12 PM
We have:

> Murders
> Rape
> Domestic Violence
> Child Sex Offenders
> Child Abductions
> Violent Crime
> Drug Addiction
> Alcohol Addiction
> Corporate Corruption
> Justice System Corruption
> the list goes on
Of course this happens. Short of becoming a police state, there's nothing we can do to completely eliminate these.

More importantly, are we a nation that has historically tortured prisoners? That is the idea that Bush was trying to get across during those interviews.

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