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Patches
05-18-2004, 05:22 AM
one way or the other? Right now, I'm still on the fence-

For me to vote for Bush it would take all of the following factors:

no terrorist attacks on our soil between now and Election day.

Gas prices drop to under $1.60

We are for the most part, out of Iraq. And the country is fairly stable (as stable as a war torn Middle Eastern country could be anyhow).

For all the problems in Iraq, we are still taking the task of fighting terrorism head on.

We begin mending fences with at least some of our former 'close' friends in the international community (fuck france).

I will be happy to drop a few of the above though if OBL is caught.


I'd vote for Kerry if Bush fucks up all of the above and:

He picks a strong running mate and indicates strong leaders to fill the rest of the cabinet.

Demonstrates a willingness to combat international terrorism.

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05-18-2004, 06:32 AM
A Bush administration butt pyramid.

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Tall_James
05-18-2004, 06:48 AM
If Kerry told Barbara Streisand to stick her endorsement up her ass I'd vote for him in a second.


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TheMojoPin
05-18-2004, 06:58 AM
If I EVER vote based on gas prices, please batter me about the head and shoulders.

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jeffdwright2001
05-18-2004, 07:00 AM
If I EVER vote based on gas prices, please batter me about the head and shoulders.
and then . . . we deep fry you?

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05-18-2004, 07:09 AM
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Furtherman
05-18-2004, 07:21 AM
Yea, I'd vote for Bush..... and Tony Randall might die!

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05-18-2004, 07:45 AM
McCain on the Kerry ticket or McCain as a third party candidate.

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Patches
05-18-2004, 08:59 AM
good call mojo...

I was just pissed about it and it was still fresh in my mind since I just filled up. But it does suck.

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peacefrog081
05-18-2004, 09:41 AM
I was at my aunts this weekend, and there was a newspaper from switzerland which stated that Osama had been caught, but the US had been holding him till later on in the year and closer to the elections. As to how legitimate this is, is another question. There was a picture in there of Osama in some kind of custody, but this is the french we are talking about.

Here is the french version:
TERRORISME Mohamed Sifaoui sur les traces du chef de d'al-Qaida dans CHARG du Pakistan OUSSAMA BEN ARRET EN SECRET ? La FRANCE le journaliste alg‚rien estime possible que les Am‚ricains tiennent d‚j… le chef d'islamist, mais qu'ils l'indiquera seulement bien avant les ‚lections pr‚sidentielles

and here is the english version:

TERRORISM Mohamed Sifaoui on the traces of the d'al-Qaida chief in Pakistan OUSSAMA BEN LADEN STOPPED IN SECRECY? FRANCE the Algerian journalist estimates possible that the Americans hold already the islamist chief, but qu'ils will only reveal right it before the presidential elections


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Furtherman
05-18-2004, 09:46 AM
That paper stated that it was possible that we already have Osama. NOT that we do.

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ChickenHawk
05-18-2004, 09:51 AM
So whatta you think? Is Bush waiting for the prisoner scandall to die down before raising the curtains on bin Laden?


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peacefrog081
05-18-2004, 09:56 AM
mah bad on that, As for the newspaper i got it from, its www.lematin.ch

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05-18-2004, 10:15 AM
$1 million dollars...

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05-18-2004, 10:50 AM
$1 million dollars...



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Tazz
05-18-2004, 10:54 AM
Bush would have to drive to CT, rape my mother, piss on my father's grave, then molest me to get me to vote for Kerry.

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jeffdwright2001
05-18-2004, 10:57 AM
Bush would have to drive to CT, rape my mother, piss on my father's grave, then molest me to get me to vote for Kerry.
So there's still an outside chance.

Def Dave in SC
05-18-2004, 10:58 AM
Sounds to me as if you arent really on the fence, Patches. It seems that you've pretty much made your mind up for Bush.

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HBox
05-18-2004, 11:09 AM
If Bush right now sent out the MIB and wiped my memory of everytime he screwed up (just about the entire last 3 and a half years), I'd probebly still not vote for him, because he still has six months left to screw up more.

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Patches
05-18-2004, 11:22 AM
Sounds to me as if you arent really on the fence, Patches. It seems that you've pretty much made your mind up for Bush.


How do you figure?

Do you really think Bush can accomplish my 'laundry list' (without causing even more fuckups) in the next 6 months? I don't.

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A.J.
05-18-2004, 01:14 PM
What would it take to sway your vote?


A six-pack.

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FMJeff
05-18-2004, 02:11 PM
Yea, I'd vote for Bush..... and Tony Randall might die!

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Reephdweller
05-18-2004, 03:10 PM
If Bush right now sent out the MIB and wiped my memory of everytime he screwed up (just about the entire last 3 and a half years), I'd probebly still not vote for him, because he still has six months left to screw up more.



Damn, I thought for sure Bush at least had your vote.

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HBox
05-18-2004, 03:20 PM
Damn, I thought for sure Bush at least had your vote.

Yeah. When Bush starts losing people like me, you know he's in trouble.

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Yerdaddy
05-18-2004, 03:31 PM
Bush would have to drive to CT, rape my mother, piss on my father's grave, then molest me to get me to vote for Kerry.

I hear that's Karl Rove's get-out-the-vote plan this year.

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HBox
05-18-2004, 03:37 PM
I hear that's Karl Rove's get-out-the-vote plan this year.

Yes but his secret weapon is Bush's speech at the convention. The top-secret title of this speech straight from the genius mind of Karl Rove:

"I'm bigger than Jesus."

That'll help out in the South.

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sr71blackbird
05-18-2004, 05:07 PM
The MidEast

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Hottub
05-18-2004, 05:21 PM
How about,

A BJ from Kerry.
A little action for my dog, too.
Pay off my mortgage.
20 minutes with his slut daughter.
5 minutes with his slut wife.



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05-18-2004, 05:39 PM
The MidEast

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that wouldn't be so bad, but i'd vote for bush if he repealled the patriots act. otherwise, i'm going third party.

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05-18-2004, 06:07 PM
i'd vote for bush if he repealled the patriots act


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Def Dave in SC
05-18-2004, 06:50 PM
Do you really think Bush can accomplish my 'laundry list' (without causing even more fuckups) in the next 6 months? I don't.


Well, you said that you would "for Kerry if Bush fucks up all of the above and:

He picks a strong running mate and indicates strong leaders to fill the rest of the cabinet."

I don't think its possible for him to accomplish all that, but I also don't think he's gonna totally fuck up the entire list.

I also don't think that Kerry is going to find himself a great running mate.

All I'm trying to say is that it seems as if your vote is Bush's to lose, and that he has to do a whole lot to lose it. Not that it isnt possible.



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sr71blackbird
05-19-2004, 03:31 AM
I dont think that Kerry wants to inherit Iraq, because I dont think we will be out of there before the November, despite the "June 30th" deadline. I think the Dem's are tossing this one, figuring it will make the Repub's look so bad that the next election will be a cinch for them.

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Patches
05-19-2004, 05:04 AM
Well, you said that you would "for Kerry if Bush fucks up all of the above and:


yeah i kinda fuct that one up. What I meant was:

Bush would have to do all of the above, Otherwise I do not plan on voting for him. If he doesn't do all of the above, I will vote for Kerry IF he completes his mini-laundry list. If neither one of them are satisfactory, I guess I'll just go back to feeling sorry for this country, and blindly pull a lever as I weep.

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zoom2457
05-20-2004, 08:01 AM
A Bush administration butt pyramid.


I would give them my vote for pictures of that...

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walking joint
05-20-2004, 08:45 AM
if i can be guaranteed the KC Chiefs winning the superbowl, you have my vote. oh and people seem to be against voting based on gas prices, but i may vote for anyone if you can lower it and keep it around $1.00 a gallon...for PLUS.

JerryTaker
05-20-2004, 12:01 PM
ok, let's give Bush a chance. He'd have to:

1. Take the exclusive contracts away from Halibutun subsidiaries and let the Iraqi people go back to work rebuilding thier infrastructure

2. Apologize to the UN and ask for support, thereby taking the "American face" off of the occupation force, allowing a good percentage of reservists to come home

3. Repeal his tax cuts on the top 1%, which would boost the economy and create both competition and jobs

4. burn the Patriot act

5. Keep "no child left behind" but actually fund the schools that he's putting these strict mandates on.

6 Renounce any and all attempts to write bigotry, in any form, into the constitution.

7. Investigate Saudi Arabia for thier involvement in 9/11. Note I said "investigate," and not "level."

8. Stop threatening countries with Nukes.

He does these things? Sure, I'll vote for him, because then he'd be showing signs of sanity...

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05-20-2004, 12:11 PM
Apologize to the UN


If he ever did that, I would lose all respect for him.

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TheMojoPin
05-20-2004, 12:20 PM
Man, we WERE losing sleep over Iraq.

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JerryTaker
05-20-2004, 12:23 PM
Apologize to the UN


If he ever did that, I would lose all respect for him.

As a good man once said:

"America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country"


"Invading Iraq" != "defending the security of the US"

But we've already been through this enough times that if you don't get that by now, you never will, so whatever. I stand by my statements.



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Teenweek
05-20-2004, 02:18 PM
Bush should not apologize to the Un he should have the UN pack up and leave the country and send them to france. Kind of like our return gift for the Statue of Liberty. get these pricks out of NYC who hate this country and break every traffic violation and parking violation known to man.

TheMojoPin
05-20-2004, 02:37 PM
Kind of like our return gift for the Statue of Liberty.

Why would you want to keep the Statue at all? It was made by the "filthy French," right? PICK YOUR SIDE, TRAITOR!!!

break every traffic violation and parking violation known to man.

All New Yorkers? And everyone in DC?

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HBox
05-20-2004, 06:08 PM
break every traffic violation and parking violation known to man.

How dare these internationalist bastards flaunt our parking rules and regulations! THEY ARE WHAT MAKE AMERICA AMERICA GODDAMMIT!

shamus mcfitzy
05-23-2004, 09:14 PM
I guess I'll just go back to feeling sorry for this country, and blindly pull a lever as I weep.


you could vote for somebody else. You don't get cancer if you do. Or not necessarilly. Well......you don't get cancer automatically......hmmmmmmm.......maybe I should just reconsider this "voting for a third party candidate" thing


Bush should not apologize to the Un he should have the UN pack up and leave the country and send them to france. Kind of like our return gift for the Statue of Liberty. get these pricks out of NYC who hate this country and break every traffic violation and parking violation known to man.


yeah I think the UN has been holding us back too. I think recent history has proved we work much better without them......uhhhhh........let me go check a newspaper

I think France would be happy to have the UN. That'll officially tell the 98% of the world that isn't us that France is who should be listened to. I shudder to think of those days.

monsterone
05-23-2004, 09:27 PM
i have a huge problem with the <b>anybody but bush</b> people. DO YOU REALLY THINK KERRY WIL BE ANY DIFFERENT!!!!

this is my honest opinion: we need to go the route of a lot of european nations and have multiple parties. this 2 party demcracy is garbage- they serve the same interests.

so i say vote 3rd party! many will call it a throw away vote, but with time, i think times can change.




ps- this post was motivated by the nyt insert story regarding the protests of the rnc; is kerry any good?

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fluffernutter
05-23-2004, 10:24 PM
I just really want to know what good reason is there to vote for Mr. Bush again? What?

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monsterone
05-23-2004, 10:26 PM
b/c there's no difference between voting for bush or kerry. they have the same agenda.



explain to me why kerrry will change the world we are in.


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Patches
05-24-2004, 05:06 AM
you could vote for someone else...


What?!?! And throw my vote away!?!?!?!

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zoom2457
05-24-2004, 05:43 AM
explain to me why kerrry will change the world we are in.


OK, maybe you have a point about Kerry. But we know what Bush has done in just 4 years. I'm not impressed, I'm fucking scared. Kerry might not "change the world", but we know that Bush definately won't (well, he won't change it in the positive direction). At least there is a small chance that Kerry will do something constructive.

Another point is that maybe with a new President, America can start rebuilding the international bridges that Bush has burnt.

Doesn't it scare you that we are fighting a war with Iraq even though some of the best military strategists advised against it. This administration heeded no warnings and made no exit strategies before invading Iraq. And now we are stuck.

We will fail in our bid to make Iraq a democracy. Just like you can't make an alcoholic stop drinking unless he wants to. You can make a country be a democracy unless they want to be one. That kind of change needs to come from within.



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samnyc
05-24-2004, 06:11 AM
Both Bush and Kerry would make useless presidents. Although I am worried that his ultra-liberal constituency may gain power by his election, Kerry certaintly couldn't do any worse than Bush has so far. I'm a New Yorker, so Kerry will get my state's electoral votes without my showing up to vote. I would change my opinion only if Bush makes a strong effort between now and November to enforce a solution to the Palestinian problem that Israel could live with.

HBox
05-24-2004, 06:15 AM
enforce a solution to the Palestinian problem

That's worked well so far.

fluffernutter
05-24-2004, 06:22 AM
I am a bit politically ignorant here so excuse me.

I just want to know when is the President (whomever it may be) going to concentrate on the homeland. Aren't there enough growing problems in this country that have a little bit more of a priority than over in the Middle East. It just seems that there is too much focus over there and not over here.

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TheMojoPin
05-24-2004, 09:23 AM
this is my honest opinion: we need to go the route of a lot of european nations and have multiple parties. this 2 party demcracy is garbage- they serve the same interests.

Bingo. And us being limited to two "real" parties is something this country has really only been subject to since the Great Depression. The rest of our history, there was usually at least a good half dozen viable parties at any given time. There's no logical reason why our only two "legitimate" choices should be Republican or Democrat.

Everyone honestly look at yourself and your beliefs, and then look at the party that supposedly "represents" you. How well do they actually reflect what you believe? I'd lay good money probably 75% of the voting public isn't TRULY behind their pledged party when you get right down to it.

And fluff, sadly, it seems we get either or when it comes to our modern presidents (At least since LBJ)...our presidents are either focused on domestic issues OR foreign issues, with little in-between. Look at LBJ, Carter and Clinton...focused primarily on domestic issues (The first and third guys having spectacular results), while American foreign affairs suffered tremendous losses. Then look at Nixon, Reagan and the first Bush...almost the exact opposite. Very noticeable and impressive US foreign policy expansion, but pretty abyssmal track records back "at home."

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A.J.
05-24-2004, 12:38 PM
so i say vote 3rd party! many will call it a throw away vote, but with time, i think times can change.

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05-24-2004, 05:34 PM
so i say vote 3rd party! many will call it a throw away vote, but with time, i think times can change.

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shamus mcfitzy
05-24-2004, 09:32 PM
It would take a third of the liberals in NY saying that they will vote for Bush in order to make me vote for Kerry. It just doesn't make much sense to vote for him in a "blue state" unless you really feel so behind him that you want to make that gesture. I'm gonna vote for someone who isn't Kerry or Bush and actually has a party backing them up. People say that's a wasted vote, but voting for Kerry in NY is wasting a vote in my mind.

However, if I lived in a "battleground state" it would really depend on who Kerry was running with if i would vote for him. The way I figure it, if he had Clark, Edwards, Richardson, Graham, Kucinich (in my dreams), Dean (also in my dreams), or Nelson on the ticket I'd definitely give him my vote.

And Gephardt would lose him my vote. Because men that look like moles shouldn't be VP.

NewYorkDragons80
05-25-2004, 05:22 AM
Bingo. And us being limited to two "real" parties is something this country has really only been subject to since the Great Depression. The rest of our history, there was usually at least a good half dozen viable parties at any given time. There's no logical reason why our only two "legitimate" choices should be Republican or Democrat.
Very true. In most other countries, both the Republicans and Democrats would each be 3 or 4 different parties. I'd like to see that, but do you see an end to this system in the near future? Or even the future period?

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TheMojoPin
05-25-2004, 09:27 AM
Not unless some additonal parties get some decent funding.

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05-25-2004, 01:19 PM
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