Why Not a Park? [9/11]

[Mike Teacher]

I watched about four hours of tv yesterday sitting with a sick relative; and was reminded why i no longer watch tv, especially news.

As I was watching the 9/11 Comission and Guiliani, Commisioners, Bloomberg, et al get either fried or lauded or both; I remembered I just read an article somewhere, cant remember where, but the title was something like:

'Why Not a Park?'

and said something along these lines: yes its the most expensive real estate around and yes we all realize the significance of 9/11 and perhaps, just perhaps, we have enough memorials already, and we dont need to put another building there.

Just make it a Park. Then you have Cental, this one, the others... if you want memorials, figure that out at another time, but...

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I don't know, but the more I think about it, and every time i see another F-ing memorial go up, I like the idea more. I've been back to NYC bunch of times, but I have had no need or want to visit the site. A park? I'd like that.

Another building? I have come to the conclusion that, clones of the Towers aside, I dont want to see anything else where the towers stood. If anything, for me, nothing topped the tribute in lights.

A park, with Memorial Lights. There ya go; if I could decide now, that would be it. Ugh this is what I get for watching TV news.

There are several dozen reasons there are better things then a park. I guess this is where others jump in. I gotta go find the article.

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[BoondockSaint]

its the most expensive real estate


You answered your own question.

Park= no $$$.

I agree with you though.

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[Heavy]

What goods a park gonna do? It wouldnt even be a big park. How much moeny is a park gonna bring in? How much money would a buisness complex with miles of office space bring in? Manhattens not cheap and you cant just lose 200 floors of office rent and replace it with a park.

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[Mike Teacher]

I agree, and thats exactly it.

A park wont do any good, except for what a park does.

And as for the cost, I say we take the hit. We already have been since that day as it is. The buildings and site have been replaced by exactly Nothing for approaching three years.

Yep, its a dumb idea, except for all the memorials and building plans i see.

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This message was edited by Mike Teacher on 5-20-04 @ 3:34 PM

[Furtherman]

The "footprints" of the twin towers will be turned into reflecting pool memorials. That was the winning design of the 9/11 memorial contest.

Surrounding the pools will be a few small park places, but the remainder of the space will be built up.

They break ground on July 4th.

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[TheMojoPin]

Doesn't NYC need the real estate to replace the buildings to some degree?

Not to sound uncaring, but a LOT of business and offices were in the buildings that came down (Besides the Towers, weren't there like 2 or 3 buildings that came down or had to be torn down after the fact?), and they probably generated a lot of economic source for the city, state and even country.

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[Mike Teacher]

Wow I found it. It's NY Times so you may have to do that 'register even though its Free' thing if ya wanna bother:

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/16/magazine/16GROUNDZERO.html)

From The Article:

Now that Larry Silverstein, the World Trade Center leaseholder, has lost his bid to double his insurance payout, it is not clear where the money to fulfill the master plan for ground zero will come from. The 1,776-foot-high Freedom Tower, which promises to become the tallest building in the world, is slated to begin construction this summer. But many of the other large office towers planned for the site may need to be scaled back; it is possible that they will not be built at all. The future of one of America's most significant public spaces has become unsettled.

So why not a park -- a grand urban park for downtown Manhattan? Earlier this spring, The New York Times Magazine asked several leading landscape-architecture firms to consider the question, and the proposals that are illustrated on the following pages offer a provocative variety of responses. References to the trade-center towers themselves are abstract or absent; in only one plan do the towers' ''footprints'' appear, and even then only as openings in a heavily planted roof above a sunken memorial plaza. Two of the firms involved suggest using either ground zero or the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island as tree nurseries; these sites would generate greenery that would, in turn, be distributed to neighborhoods around the New York City area. While not every firm proposed an actual park on the site, all four provide ample proof of the power of landscape to transform a scarred and haunted place.

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And they show some designs.

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[jeffdwright2001]

So should part of the Pentagon not have been rebuilt and replaced with a park instead?

[DarkHippie]

I would've liked a park, if only because I don't think any building will ever be able to replace the Towers, no matter how magnificent the design.

If they really needed the real estate for buildings, there's a whole stretch of wasteland on the West Side that's undeveloped.

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[samnyc]

I would like to build a replica of the Roman Coliseum on the site.

[Mike Teacher]

i think thats pretty much Madison Square Garden, just smaller and i dont know if they sold pretzels outside the coloseum.

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[Teenweek]

Build the twin towers up again and fuck those 9/11 families who went after Giuliani yesterday. He is godlike in my eyes and millions of people. If Bush wants to win, get rid of Cheney now and make Giuliani Vice President. Blame the fucking terrorists you greedy fucks.

[TheMojoPin]

fuck those 9/11 families who went after Giuliani yesterday.

Nice.

He is godlike in my eyes and millions of people.

And...? A lot of the victims' families don't share your opinion. Let me guess...you want to "never forget"...but THEY don't count, right?

Blame the fucking terrorists you greedy fucks.

How the flying FUCK were the victims' families criticizing Rudy yesterday being "greedy?"

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[reeshy]

A park is nice idealistic concept but the hard reality is that that is nothing to some people (those in economic power) but a money making piece of real estate!!!!! But a park would be nice (sigh)!!!

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[gypsy]

I had the same idea. Make a little oasis in the middle of the concrete jungle. We're talking 16 acres? That would be nice.

[mdr55]

New York needs La Parka more than they need the Olympics. Besides, he's the chairman of wrestling. ;)

[The Jays]

I would've liked a park, if only because I don't think any building will ever be able to replace the Towers, no matter how magnificent the design.


I am amazed at how many people really believe that the Twin Towers was, and will always be, the greatest architectural masterpiece in NYC. The only thing remarkable about them was how tall they were, and how the skin became the supportive element for the building. And the architect didn't stop with the WTC. There are buildings all over the world, designed exactly the same, just not as grand a scale as they were. People complain about cookie cutter designs. The WTC was a cookie cutter design; it just happened to be the largest, and in the most important city in the world.



If they really needed the real estate for buildings, there's a whole stretch of wasteland on the West Side that's undeveloped.


The West Side is not the Financial district.



A park is nice idealistic concept


No it's not, it's a simplistic concept. See the following.


I had the same idea. Make a little oasis in the middle of the concrete jungle


If everyone's grand idea is to either a) build a park or b) rebuild the towers, then it really doesnt make it seem like the ideas were very well thought out.

Besides that, We already have a grand urban park in Manhattan. And how exactly does a park make a suitable memorial?

100 years from now, a kid will be in the park. He asks "why is there a large park in the finanicial district?" "well, 3000 people died here when terrorists flew planes into two buildings that used to be here."
"Wow. So how many people died in that park uptown?"


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This message was edited by JustJon on 5-28-04 @ 10:15 PM

[Heavy]

I say we put a few roller Hockey rinks and basketball courts up there

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[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

Too many companies left Manhattan prior to 9/11. Realistically speaking, commercial real estate in Manhattan is way too high. That being said, NYC is missing out on a lot of money now that there are no Twin Towers.

I do believe the 1776 ft tower offers memorial gardens on the higher floors.

I wish I could remember the link, bit the best idea for a memorial got shot down because the architect technically entered more than one idea. It was for memorial "walkways" for each tower (per fooot) into the Hudson River. The names of all lost in each tower would be listed.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I don't think the 9/11 families are motivated by greed, but I do think they have made some decisions based on shortsightedness. Giuliani did a lot of great things, but one of the things he couldn't do is get the cops and firemen on the same page. As the son and grandson on NY's finest, I know that God himself would have to hold all his calls to make that happen. As for firemen staying in the buildings or not getting the call, it is possible that they chose to stay in knowing the dangers. Finally, the people who went on the roof. My deepest sorrows and prayers go out to them and their families, but in a situation like that, you need to focus on getting the most people out as possible. By diverting your resources to a relatively smaller portion of the people, it would cost more lives in the long run, in my opinion. I don't know if they realize it or not, but it's selfish to demand that they rescue someone on a floor above the crash while they can save more lives by focusing on areas below the crash. It was potentially impossible to save people on the 108th floor.

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[The Jays]

I watched about four hours of tv yesterday sitting with a sick relative; and was reminded why i no longer watch tv, especially news.

As I was watching the 9/11 Comission and Guiliani, Commisioners, Bloomberg, et al get either fried or lauded or both; I remembered I just read an article somewhere, cant remember where, but the title was something like:

'Why Not a Park?'

and said something along these lines: yes its the most expensive real estate around and yes we all realize the significance of 9/11 and perhaps, just perhaps, we have enough memorials already, and we dont need to put another building there.

Just make it a Park. Then you have Cental, this one, the others... if you want memorials, figure that out at another time, but...

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I don't know, but the more I think about it, and every time i see another F-ing memorial go up, I like the idea more. I've been back to NYC bunch of times, but I have had no need or want to visit the site. A park? I'd like that.

Another building? I have come to the conclusion that, clones of the Towers aside, I dont want to see anything else where the towers stood. If anything, for me, nothing topped the tribute in lights.

A park, with Memorial Lights. There ya go; if I could decide now, that would be it. Ugh this is what I get for watching TV news.

There are several dozen reasons there are better things then a park. I guess this is where others jump in. I gotta go find the article.



Go to this sitehttp://www.wtcsitememorial.org/

That is the winning submission. That is what it;s going to look like.

Looks alot like a park to me.

I saw this rendering of the site today while flipping through Metropolis. This convinces me that all the people bitching about the site has never even seen the designs.

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[ChickenHawk]

It looks like an amazing memorial. But I don't think I'll ever change my mind: I want the towers rebuilt.


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[The Jays]

why? the only reason people give is because they were there for so long (25 years) and people got used to them.

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This message was edited by JustJon on 5-28-04 @ 10:16 PM