Atomic Black Holes

[blakjeezis]

For those into this kind of thing, I read an interesting article in this month's Discovery magazine on the plane back from Puerto Rico.

It seems there are 2 kinds of black holes: 'Mass' - The type we more commonly hear about caused by the collapse of stars into infinitely dense areas of space, and 'Energy' - The less commonly known type brought about by the collision of atoms.

Theoretically, these energy black holes could be happening all around us lasting only the tiniest fractions of seconds. Unfortunately science has been unable to re-create these energy collisions, but, and I believe it is in Sweden, a team will soon have a particle accelerator fast enough to perform just that task.

Wooooow, I hear you all saying. Well scientists hope that by re-creating these black holes, they will be able to get a much better grasp, perhaps even a definitive one, on the true number of dimensions beyond the 3 that we see, and finally get some real lab time on string theory, quantum theory, and the effect of EM, strong, weak, and gravitational forces. Especially why gravity appears so weak.

I'm not especially knowlegeable in this area, and I'm writing this from memory so some of my facts could be wrong, but I think that was the general gist of the article. Seems pretty exciting to me.

Partial link, a subscription is required for the whole article. Sorry. (http://www.discover.com/issues/jun-04/features/black-holes-made-here/?page=2)

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[reeshy]

I see nothing mysterious about them!!!!!!!!!!


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[furie]

hawking theorized about this years ago and they said he was mad.


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[Mike Teacher]

Theoretically, these energy black holes could be happening all around us lasting only the tiniest fractions of seconds.


The Quantum Foam.


Unfortunately science has been unable to re-create these energy collisions, but, and I believe it is in Sweden, a team will soon have a particle accelerator fast enough to perform just that task.


Very unfortunate; and the cancellation of the Superconducting Supercollider in Texas means some other nation will likely lead this. Sad.

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[blakjeezis]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, M to tha T-iz-ee, but potentially being able to do actual lab work on String Theory and the like is really, really compelling stuff, isn't it? Like breakthrough, next big step, revolutionary stuff?

Like I said, I don't know a whooole lot about this stuff. I could be way off base. But from the little that I have read, I believe, this is all pretty much still theoretical at this point. Actually being able to study these reactions in a controlled environment should open up amazing doors.

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the only thing i know about black holes is that they are pink on the inside...


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[Mike Teacher]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, M to tha T-iz-ee, but potentially being able to do actual lab work on String Theory and the like is really, really compelling stuff, isn't it? Like breakthrough, next big step, revolutionary stuff?


Well thats the Big Question exactly! Why all of this seemingly arcane research?

There is no easy answer; but there is much precedent. We're not sure exactly what we will find as we smash atoms at higher and higher energies, but if history repeats as it does, it will be beyong what anyone could possibly imagine.

You need only take one step back to electricity. It was first seen by most as a trick, a fad, a cool gimmick for some tricks. Even Farady wasnt sure what would become of this thing, that had always been in nature, but were *just* beginning to understand, and the difference before and after is exactly the difference between a world with, and one without, electricity.

Even our research for this is weird and 'old-fashioned' in a way. Even particle physicists say there's GOT to be a better way to examine what is inside atoms then just brutally smashing them together and then looking at what things fly out. Coz thats exactly what were doing; the literal equivalent of taking two cars, and ramming them together, and examing the pieces of the wreckage to find how, exactly, a car works.

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[Mike Teacher]

Oh yeah; one that we KNOW is Fusion.

If we could control and sustain a fusion reaction, that would amount to, this is simplifying, but imagine nuclear power but about 4 times better, and you can run it off of sea water, and its so safe compared to fission reactors its a joke.

This we know. The problem is now physical. To get the energies needed to start the reaction, and the physical thingies to contain it.

But its essentially all the benefits of fission, almost none of the bad, and it involves hydrogen and helium, not uranium and plutonium.



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[sr71blackbird]

What is commonly known to physicists as the "fifth force".....

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[Doomstone]

Mike brings up an excellent point. The biggest mistake Bill Clinton made during his 8 years in office had nothing to do with a blowjob, it was signing the bill that ceased construction on the Superconducting Supercollider. The CERN lab in Europe will have their equivalent online next year, and I expect their lead in high-energy physics will last for many years because of our short-sightedness and misplaced priorities.


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[DarkHippie]

I feel a Silver Age superhero coming on . . .

"THE ATOMIC HOLE!!!" Made up of tiny little particles called "atoms" THE ATOMIC HOLE can make himself disappear and reappear . . . a little at a time.

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[Def Dave in SC]

Doesnt anybody esle think that recreating black holes could possibly be a little dangerous?

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[DarkHippie]

Doesnt anybody esle think that recreating black holes could possibly be a little dangerous?
Yes we might create the deadly "Sphere of Annihilation" from p.328 in the Dungeon Master's Guide

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