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Doomstone
06-02-2004, 06:18 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/01/eveningnews/main620626.shtml
Four years after California's disastrous experiment with energy deregulation, Enron energy traders can be heard - on audiotapes obtained by CBS News - gloating and praising each other as they helped bring on, and cash-in on, the Western power crisis.
"He just fucks California," says one Enron employee. "He steals money from California to the tune of about a million."
"Will you rephrase that?" asks a second employee.
"OK, he, um, he arbitrages the California market to the tune of a million bucks or two a day," replies the first [...]
Officials with the Snohomish Public Utility District near Seattle received the tapes from the Justice Department.
"This is the evidence we've all been waiting for. This proves they manipulated the market," said Eric Christensen, a spokesman for the utility.
That utility, like many others, is trying to get its money back from Enron.
"They're fucking taking all the money back from you guys?" complains an Enron employee on the tapes. "All the money you guys stole from those poor grandmothers in California?"
"Yeah, grandma Millie, man"
"Yeah, now she wants her fucking money back for all the power you've charged right up, jammed right up her asshole for fucking $250 a megawatt hour."
And the tapes appear to link top Enron officials Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling to schemes that fueled the crisis.
"Government Affairs has to prove how valuable it is to Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling," says one trader.
"Ok."
"Do you know when you started over-scheduling load and making buckets of money on that?
Before the 2000 election, Enron employees pondered the possibilities of a Bush win.
"It'd be great. I'd love to see Ken Lay Secretary of Energy," says one Enron worker.
That didn't happen, but they were sure President Bush would fight any limits on sky-high energy prices.
"When this election comes Bush will fucking whack this shit, man. He won't play this price-cap bullshit."
Crude, but true.
"We will not take any action that makes California's problems worse and that's why I oppose price caps," said Mr. Bush on May 29, 2001.
Both the Justice Department and Enron tried to prevent the release of these tapes. Enron's lawyers argued they merely prove "that people at Enron sometimes talked like Barnacle Bill the Sailor."
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WindowSill
06-02-2004, 06:30 PM
Before the 2000 election, Enron employees pondered the possibilities of a Bush win.
"It'd be great. I'd love to see Ken Lay Secretary of Energy," says one Enron worker.
That didn't happen, but they were sure President Bush would fight any limits on sky-high energy prices.
"When this election comes Bush will fucking whack this shit, man. He won't play this price-cap bullshit."
Crude, but true.
"We will not take any action that makes California's problems worse and that's why I oppose price caps," said Mr. Bush on May 29, 2001.
Just one more thing to add to the list of things that wont help Bushes campaign...
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Yerdaddy
06-02-2004, 06:37 PM
these shit-heels sound like "Get Your War On," but it's real and they're not being sarcastic. And if they weren't ripping off their big bank investors they never would have been busted.
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FMJeff
06-02-2004, 09:24 PM
as far as i'm concerned, 6 out of 10 people, when presented with an opportunity to make a shit load of money by fucking people out of thier money, without ever having to look them in the eye while they do it, WILL do it and won't have any regrets. It just says a lot about human beings...when it comes down to it....most people are just out for themselves...
that's why the Kyoto deal will never get passed and people will always continue to get fucked...
its like what the Merovingian says in Revolutions...there are those with power and those without and those with power will decide what happens...i guess it all comes down to the quality of the human being who makes the choice....
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BoondockSaint
06-02-2004, 09:44 PM
as far as i'm concerned, 6 out of 10 people, when presented with an opportunity
So when EVERYONE (10 out of 10) wants you to make it "Last 12hrs" instead of whatever you have now you do what?
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Doomstone
06-03-2004, 06:25 AM
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Tall_James
06-03-2004, 06:33 AM
http://home.comcast.net/~jamesgpatton/kerry.bmp
Yes, I know its PhotoShopped. But I am just using it to make a point that you could create a list like that for Kerry as well.
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Doomstone
06-03-2004, 06:38 AM
Weak.
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Tall_James
06-03-2004, 06:46 AM
Weak
So Kerry is not beholden to any scumbags either? Wake up. Be sure that your golden boy isn't so golden either.
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Tall_James
06-03-2004, 06:47 AM
And not to derail the thread, I agree with you that these Enron douchebags need to be strung up by their testicles.
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Doomstone
06-03-2004, 06:56 AM
So Kerry is not beholden to any scumbags either? Wake up. Be sure that your golden boy isn't so golden either.
Dubya getting attacked? Change the subject!
I see you've had your dittos for the day.
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Tall_James
06-03-2004, 07:12 AM
Dubya getting attacked? Change the subject!
I see you've had your dittos for the day.
How is it changing the subject when it is a response TO ONE OF YOUR POSTS??? You list the unsavory characters associated with Bush and I reply that Kerry probably has a list of his own.
That's the thing about extremist Liberals like you, if you don't like an answer to one of your own questions - you respond with blanket characterizations, name calling and attacks. This is the reason why Moderate Dems cringe whenever you and your like open your mouths.
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Freakshow
06-03-2004, 07:16 AM
TJ--Didn't you read the 'for bashing bush only' sign at the top of this thread.
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/26/politics/main602454.shtml">how about a little equal scutiny?</a>
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Doomstone
06-03-2004, 07:25 AM
That's the thing about extremist Liberals like you
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
That's about the most ridiculous thing I've read on this board. Congratulations, young James!
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Tall_James
06-03-2004, 07:27 AM
Why am I not surprised that you use the picture of a developmentally disabled person as a joke but if Bush proposed a cut in funding for Mental Health programs you would call him a Nazi.
Typical Liberal hypocrite.
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mikeyboy
06-03-2004, 07:31 AM
Easy there, guys.
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Doomstone
06-03-2004, 07:36 AM
Why am I not surprised that you use the picture of a developmentally disabled person as a joke but if Bush proposed a cut in funding for Mental Health programs you would call him a Nazi.
Typical Liberal hypocrite.
Super weak.
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Tall_James
06-03-2004, 07:41 AM
Super weak.
Sure, whatever you say.
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Doomstone
06-03-2004, 07:43 AM
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Tall_James
06-03-2004, 07:53 AM
Brilliant! You got me!
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mikeyboy
06-03-2004, 07:55 AM
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WTF? He's chicken because he's not taking the bait to turn this into yet another pointless personal attack thread in the politics forum? Cut the crap, Doomstone.
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East Side Dave
06-03-2004, 08:03 AM
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This letter looks like one of my posts. I should not be in the White House. He should not be in the White House.
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DarkHippie
06-03-2004, 08:04 AM
Jesus Christ, doomstone, will you shut the Hell up!!!! You're the biggest dittohead I know, and just because you're on the left doesn't mean it doesn't annoy me! Just stick to the facts and stop the namecalling.
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East Side Dave
06-03-2004, 08:07 AM
I concur, caca-face!!!
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mikeyboy
06-03-2004, 08:08 AM
butt licker
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Freakshow
06-03-2004, 08:26 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Weak
Super weak
This is why I don't post in the Politics and Current events forum. I'm intimidated by the level of discourse, how all the posters defty structure their agruments and shape their rhetoric in cogent arguments.
Coincidentally, it's the very same reason I seldom post in the wrestling forum.
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East Side Dave
06-03-2004, 08:30 AM
butt licker
You can't prove that, Mikey.
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Doomstone
06-03-2004, 08:41 AM
Man, this is too much. Tall James makes statements he is either unable to back up, or are nothing but personal attacks:
Yes, I know its PhotoShopped. But I am just using it to make a point that you could create a list like that for Kerry as well.
So Kerry is not beholden to any scumbags either? Wake up. Be sure that your golden boy isn't so golden either.
That's the thing about extremist Liberals like you, if you don't like an answer to one of your own questions - you respond with blanket characterizations, name calling and attacks. This is the reason why Moderate Dems cringe whenever you and your like open your mouths.
Why am I not surprised that you use the picture of a developmentally disabled person as a joke but if Bush proposed a cut in funding for Mental Health programs you would call him a Nazi.
Typical Liberal hypocrite.
and I get shit on for posting a picture of a dancing chicken?
I will say though
How is it changing the subject when it is a response TO ONE OF YOUR POSTS??? You list the unsavory characters associated with Bush and I reply that Kerry probably has a list of his own.
It is changing the subject because Kerry has nothing to do with this thread. Nobody mentioned Kerry until you brought him up. It's a weak argument because you're making an assumption with no basis in fact, and using it to discredit a point entirely based on fact. It's a strawman.
And to call me an extremist is the height of idiocy. Che Guevara was an extremist. Stalin was an extremist. Hitler and Mussolini were extremists. Accusing me of extremism shows ignorance. Suggesting that I would call Dubya a Nazi when I have never done such a thing, and using it as a basis to call me a hypocrite, is low. Another strawman.
Your arguments lack merit. Your points are moot.
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mikeyboy
06-03-2004, 09:04 AM
and I get shit on for posting a picture of a dancing chicken?
You get shit on because as this thread started on the downward spiral, I made a post trying to get you two to stop. TJ did. You didn't. Quit the martyr act.
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TheMojoPin
06-03-2004, 07:24 PM
Enough is zeenuff.
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