Taliban told US it would give up Osama

[TheMojoPin]

D'OH!!! (http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?photoid=/cp/news/top/i/osama_pic135.jpg&idq=/ff/story/0002/20040604/0935099146.htm&floc=NW_1-T)

Of course, this is the first I heard of it, so how reliable can it be?

And if the dates are right, Clinton still would have been in office, meaning the blame could be tossed at him like people still do wtih the bogus "Sudan offer," so if even the Clinton-haters haven't used this, well, let's just say I need a little more proof of its validity...

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[ChickenHawk]

Raise your hand if this surprises you.

...

...anyone?

......anyone?


...Bueller?


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This message was edited by ChickenHawk on 6-4-04 @ 9:47 PM

[HBox]

This doesn't make the slightest sense to me. If they were willing to do this a year before 9/11, why weren't they willing to do it after 9/11, when they had a shitload more motivation to do it?

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[Yerdaddy]

Certainly this meeting deserves attention from US intelligence and probably from the 9-11 Commission. But right now it doesn't sound like much, mainly because I don't think the Taliban was ever in much of a position to hand over Bin Laden. The two groups were so interdependent, similar in ideology and cooperative in training and base of operations, but separate in objective and leadership structures), so that it seems that an attempt to hand over Bin Laden would likely result in a civil war within the Taliban-Al Qaeda alliance. Plus, if the Taliban wasn't going to hand over Bin Laden to us when it would stave off a full-scale war, why would they have handed him over for official recognition, (which, really, it never would have gotten anyway)?

I'll wait to see how the story takes shape over the next month or so.

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[TheMojoPin]

But right now it doesn't sound like much, mainly because I don't think the Taliban was ever in much of a position to hand over Bin Laden.

It's like the Sudan pseudo-"offer" all over again...

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[FMJeff]

man i can't wait until i'm economically capable of moving to another country....

i can't stand the stench of corruption..

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[reeshy]

And if the dates are right, Clinton still would have been in office, meaning the blame could be tossed at him like people still do wtih the bogus "Sudan offer," so if even the Clinton-haters haven't used this, well, let's just say I need a little more proof of its validity...


I have to say that I would need more proof too but Mojo, just because it may shed some blame on Clinton, right away you're castigating the people who don't like Clinton and afraid that Clinton may have fucked up (again)?????

And Jeff, I would be willing to help set up a fund to raise money to help you move out of the country!!!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

Well, he didn't fuck up on this issue in the first place.

Clinton-bashers LOVE to point to the bullshit offer the Sudan made to us for bin Laden, nevermind that they didn't know where he was and probably wasn't even in the country at that point. Yet there are still entire books being written on the subject...so I'm saying that if this has been "quiet" all this time and not even Clinton's enemies have "used" it in the same context as the Sudan accusations, it either was a BIG secret and there's not much to it.

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[reeshy]

Well, he didn't fuck up on this issue in the first place.


I never said that he did, did I, Mr. Mojo????? But you know, deep down inside, that it really is all Clinton's fault and that I'm NEVER wrong, right, Mr. Mojo?????????

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[A.J.]

Even I don't believe the Taliban would ever hand over Usama. If this were true he wouldn't be at-large as he has been for the past 4 years. Someone could have easily sold him out by now.

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[FUNKMAN]

Taliban told US it would give up Osama


but they wanted two interns in return...

i can't believe the Taliban would do anything to help or please the US...

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[keithy_19]

Usama, or Osama? Is there a definite spelling to the name? Or is up to your mood?

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[A.J.]

Usama, or Osama? Is there a definite spelling to the name? Or is up to your mood?


Either/or.

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[mikeyboy]

I heard it was all true, but the U.S. didn't pull the trigger because the Taliban wanted Bonds, Arod, and two AA phenom pitching prospects in return.

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[mdr55]

US magazine is as bad as the National Enquirer and the STAR. You know all those stories are fake. Now if the Taliban told the NY times or Washington Post, maybe I might believe it.

[zoom2457]

That article didn't say anything about what the Taliban wanted in return.

Also, the US would have looked really bad if they gave in to the Taliban. The Taliban was unrecognized as the leaders of Afghanistan. There were tons of human rights violations at the hands of these Taliban guys.

There is and was no guarantee that picking up Osama before 9/11 would have prevented 9/11.

And maybe a deal was struck and the Taliban did not deliver.


Mohabbat said the Americans pressed in Quetta for the handover of bin Laden within 24 hours, but the Taliban were unable to meet that demand.


It's nice to find a quote to back me up.

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[TheMojoPin]

Keith, there are actually several ways to spell both "Osama" and "bin Laden" and still be correct.

That's what direct grammatical translations getcha...

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[A.J.]

That article didn't say anything about what the Taliban wanted in return.

The message was: 'There is willingness to talk about handing over bin Laden', and the aim of the Taliban was clearly to win the recognition of the American government and the lifting of the boycott," he said, referring to the international isolation of the Taliban.

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man i can't wait until i'm economically capable of moving to another country....


Either can I.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Afghanistan, as well as the Middle East, place hospitality very highly on the cultural food chain. Even if your worst enemy came to your door begging you to let them in, the culture obligates you to welcome him, provide him with accomodations equal to or better than your own. You are also responsible to protect them. That's why the bin Laden/Omar reward money is a bad idea. It's telling Afghans to betray their culture for money, which makes America look even worse because we already have a bad rep when it comes to money.

At the time of 9/11, bin Laden's stay was becoming unpopular, but they weren't going to give him up to the United States. They may have passed him on to another sympathetic country, but it's doubtful that they would have handed him over to the US.

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[FUNKMAN]

That's why the bin Laden/Omar reward money is a bad idea.


plus the life of the person who turns him in will be worth 0 and that may include his family's life... it's like ratting on the mob...

or forgetting Joe Pesci's drink...

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