MLB Minor League Draft

[BandofBrothers]

TOP 10 PICKS

1. Matthew Bush, SD
2. Justin Verlander, DET
3. Philip Humber, NYM
4. Jeff Niemann, TB
5. Mark Rogers, MIL
6. Jeremy Sowers, CLE
7. Homer Bailey, CIN
8. Wade Townsend, BAL
9. Chris Nelson, COL
10. Thomas Diamond, TEX

I like the path the Mets are going with Aaron Heilman with the 18th pick in 2001, Scott Kazmir with the 15th pick in 2002, and Humber with the 3rd pick in 2004. They have a strong pitching future.

Here's his scouting report: COMMENT: LARGE FRAME. BROAD, SLOPED SHOULDERS. STRONG, DURABLE, OVERALL BUILD. MORE DEVELOPED LOWER HALF. BODY TYPE SIMILAR TO KEVIN MILLWOOD. NO WINDUP, HIGH 3/4 DELIVERY. PLUS ARM STRENGTH. COMFORT ZONE 91-93 W/ RUN & SINK WHEN DOWN. CB, ML OUT PITCH W/ BIG, TIGHT, SHARP 11-5 BITE. CHANGEUP W/ SINK & DECEPTION. OTHER PITCH, SPLIT, W/ SHORT DOWN BREAK. BIG, STRONG, DURABLE WORKHORSE W/ PITCHABILITY & MOUND PRESENCE. STUFF FOR QUALITY RHS AT ML LEVEL.


B.o.B.

This message was edited by BandofBrothers on 6-7-04 @ 4:25 PM

[Jack_Doff]

Sweeeeeeet! Ten more guys to be bagging groceries in 4 years.

[WindowSill]

BOB, its great that youre this enthusiastic and Im happy with the direction that the Mets are going in also, but this is the one draft that doesnt matter to anyone. Most of these guys you wont be hearing of for like 2 years, unlike the other league the draftees go to the minors instead of the big leagues. Even in hockey a lot of the players drafted go straight to the big leagues.

However I am happy that the Mets drafted a good solid pitcher. One question, is he out of high school or college?

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[Patches]

Here's his scouting report: COMMENT: LARGE FRAME. BROAD, SLOPED SHOULDERS. STRONG, DURABLE, OVERALL BUILD. MORE DEVELOPED LOWER HALF.


That's pretty detailed... Are they scouting a pitcher or a thoroughbred?

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[Bama]

Weaver wanted too much money and dropped out of the top 10. Sucks for him.

What happened to Drew? They were saying he'd be a top 5 pick.



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[BandofBrothers]

Drew also wanted a lot of money to sign, so he was picked @ 15 by the DBacks. Humber was drafted from RICE U after 4 years there.
B.o.B.

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[Def Dave in SC]

The pirates picked up a C at 11. Sounds pretty good--switch hitter, hit .600-something career, and .780-something post season. Except for one thing. He did this in HIGH SCHOOL. What the fuck. High school pitching and Major League pitching are two different things.


Now I know that he's gonna start in Low-A and work his way up, but I just dont get the logic in drafting a high school player.

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[Jack_Doff]

Plus, for as much as we make fun of him, Piazza was picked in the millionth (approximate) round, and only then as a favor to Tommy Lasorda. Now he's a hall of famer.

What's funny about these kids is they want superstar pay even though they don't have superstar talent.

[Davios]

By signing a high school kid, you're basically risking a bit but also have a potentially huge upside. These kids may not be as highly ranked as they would be when they leave college due to the added four years of experience. By taking them in high school you get the talent early at less of a cost. Take the Mets third pick this year for example. The Yankees had picked him previously in the 29th round but he decided to continue with college, now he goes number 3 overall.

[Tall_James]

Pulsipher, Isringhausen & Wilson.

Nuff said.


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[A.J.]

Let me guess: my Red Sox took another right-handed power hitter "who will hit well in Fenway".

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[Davios]

Hehehe I'm still kind of giggling about the Red Sox signing. He's a shortstop named Pedroia that looks like David Eckstien Jr. The man is like 5'8 170 pounds. Looks like he should be playing little league.

[WindowSill]

Pulsipher, Isringhausen & Wilson.

Nuff said.


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Although Heilman and Kazhmir havent proven themselves in the big league, Kazhmir because he hasnt gotten a chance yet, are pretty solid first round picks. Plus this isnt Steve Phillips drafting these players so thats already a good thing. This kid, according to BOB, has been in college for 4 whole years so he will be more developed than a lot of the younger guys coming out too so thats also a positive.

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[WindowSill]

Heres who the Yankees drafted at 23-

PHILIP HUGHES out of FOOTHILL HS, a 6'5" RHP.

Scouting report- COMMENT: TALL, LARGE FRAME. BROAD BACK, SHOULDERS. WIDE HIPS. STRONG, THICK LOWER HALF. LONG, LOOSE MUSCLES. NO WINDUP, HIGH 3/4. SIDE STEP TO START, HIGH LEG LIFT. HIDES BALL WELL. QUICK, COMPACT, LIVE ARM. SHORT IN BACK. SITS ON 90-91, OCCAISIONAL PLUS 92-94. SOLID MECHANICS W/ GOOD BODY CONTROL. FLASHES MAJOR LEAGUE SLIDER W/ LATE BITE, GOOD DOWN PLANE. GOOD MOTION ON CHANGEUP. BIG, STRONG-ARMED PITCHER W/ PROJECTABLE MAJOR LEAGUE OR BETTER PITCHES ACROSS THE BOARD. AROUND PLATE W/ ALL PITCHES, CHANCE FOR PLUS CONTROL.


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[WindowSill]

Just go here... (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/mlb/draftday/y2004/tracker_round_1_1.html)


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[irishkb]

but I just dont get the logic in drafting a high school player.

because you get a chance at player like Prior... or Arod or Jeter none of who i believe played college ball.

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[BoondockSaint]

because you get a chance at player like Prior... or Arod or Jeter none of who i believe played college ball.


Prior went to USC.

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[WindowSill]

Shawn Green, Billy Wagner, Preston Wilson...Kerry Wood, Gary Sheffield....I could go on but lets face it, theres plenty of great players that come straight out of high school. And if they are good enough to be drafted at an early age than so be it.


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[Bama]

Face it. If you have to go to college nowadays you suck.

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[BandofBrothers]

You can't really use high school stats to recruit. There's some validity to some of them, but in general they don't tell you much. Teams like Boston, Oakland and Toronto are completely attracted to players with a track record, an essential part of the "Moneyball" approach of assessing a player's value. The A's now draft almost exclusively college players, a trend that has spread to other franchises. Billy Beane proved that a 40 million dollar payroll team that could spend less than 2 million per player on a roster of 25 could compete by drafting the safest picks: college players. Proof: Mulder, Zito, Hudson. There are stats that prove that a good majority of hs players never make it to the majors or fail.


B.o.B.

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[Def Dave in SC]

Jeter


I dont know if he went to college, i think he did, bu I'm not sure. I know he WAS originally drafted by Milwaukee, and he never signed. I think he did go to college however.

I definately agree with B.o.B. College stats are a much much much better indicator of future success. "Upside"is not a tangible stat and its a terrible indicator of future success.

I think the way most baseball teams go about the draft is just fundamentally wrong. Read an NFL scouting report, and then read an MLB scouting report. TOTALLY different. The biggest difference is this, Baseball teams seem to care how a player looks as opposed to how he has performed; they have lots of items about "broad shoulders" and "thick lower body". I wouldnt be surprised if they added phrenology to their scouting reports.

But, an NFL report is almost solely how they performed at the combine/pro day. Sure theres physical traits, but those are an afterthought when looking at their performance.

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[WindowSill]

Youre wrong on 2 points Dave.

a) He didnt go to college

b) according to his bio he was drafted in the 1st round, 6th overall by the YANKEES

Heres his bio from Yahoo Sports, see for your self (http://bigleaguers.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5406)


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[Def Dave in SC]

Ahhhh Fuck. Fucking Fuckity Fuck. I read in either moneyball or bloody sundays, i can't remember, but the author was talking about what was wrong with the MLB draft--i think it was Bloody Sunadys--and that came up. The author mentioned how a top player can basically buck the system by not playing for a crappy team who drafted them, and then go back in the draft or something and get signed by the Yankees.

Ahhh What the Fuck, something like that.

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[BoondockSaint]

Baseball teams seem to care how a player looks as opposed to how he has performed


Yeah. Glavine and Maddux keep saying that they would never even get scouted now because they didn't throw 95mph in high school.

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[BandofBrothers]

I just believe body type determines what kind of hitter or pitcher you will be. I mean the results of a lanky tall pitcher is vastly different from a stout short pitcher. Movement, speed, and durability is factored it. Also Jared Weaver, who is supposed to be the most MLB ready, also has one of the lowest upsides as he only has one MLB dominant pitch.

On a sidenote, Oakland now takes pitchers like Glavine and Maddux type pitchers who don't pitch hard but have great mechanics and potential that most teams don't value enough. Mulder, Zito, and Hudson all learned one or two dominating pitches even though they all had mediocre fbs in college. (As A's, they tuned up their change ups, made sharper curves, and developed more devestating fastballs by adding a few mph)

B.o.B.

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[Davios]

The reason why so much emphasis is placed on things like a player's build in MLB as opposed to the NFL, is that players are basically bred in baseball. They are sent to the minors where they are gradually built up over a long period of time rather than simply thrown right into the majors like in football or basketball. It'll take roughly two to three years before you ever see these guys in the big leagues.