McCain Rejects Kerry's VP Overture

[jocefus]

story here (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040611/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_mccain&cid=694&ncid=2043)

is it just me or is kerry really slacking off at getting a running mate?? i know its only june, but shouldnt he already have one..

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[schmega]

its pathetic that kerry keeps trying. mccain wants no part of that useless office, or the democratic party.

i just hope kerry picks a WASP so he wont lose the entire south like the last guy.

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[TheMojoPin]

It's not unusal for the VP to be named around, during or even after the national party convention.

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[furie]

Reagan didn't announce that he was taking on Bush until shortly before the RNC.


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[curtoid]

Not a shock that Kerry would ask his friend if he really wouldn't consider an invitation if an invitation were made. They both knew the answer, but it didn't hurt to float the balloon up anyway.

It frees Kerry up, having this up there, to pick a qualified Democrat without everyone else always pondering what would have happened had Kerry actually asked.






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[Yerdaddy]

Personally, I see the partisan and ideological loyalties in this country as the biggest problem we face today. They distort every real issue that I've ever explored and enable the kinds of corruption that we all know exist while we all bicker about the mythologies of issues while the important truths get batted around by whoever manages to grab a share of raw political power. I think a bi-partisan ticket, whether successful or not, could monstrously undercut this increasing trend by showing us just how far from reality we really have gotten and what kind of cooperation we are capable of if we only stop fighting long enough to try. Unfortunately, I doubt it will happen, but until Kerry announces his running mate I am keeping my fingers crossed.

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[TheMojoPin]

I still think there's a VERY strong chance McCain could still end up in the White House if Kerry wins, possibly as Secretary of Defense, something that has been hinted at by BOTH men. And like Yerdaddy said, a step towards ACTUAL uniting and not dividing is something this country desperately needs.

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[furie]

I say there's still time for a McCain/Schwarzkopf independant run at the WhiteHouse.
It's a better option than what we're facing now.


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[Shecky]

Kerry is giving serious consideration to Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri and retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark of Arkansas...

His best bet would be Edwards. He needs the south if he's going to win.

McCain has said time and time again that he wouldn't be Kerry's VP candidate no matter how many times he was asked.

[A.J.]

Picking McCain would be a BAD thing for Kerry. McCain is a bigger "star" than Kerry and right now Kerry needs to get more attention.

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[WindowSill]

Picking McCain would be a BAD thing for Kerry. McCain is a bigger "star" than Kerry and right now Kerry needs to get more attention.


Kerry disappeared for a week for the Reagan funeral and he passed Bush in the polls. This man dont need no attention. The less Kerry we see, the more we like him.

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[A.J.]

Kerry disappeared for a week for the Reagan funeral and he passed Bush in the polls. This man dont need no attention. The less Kerry we see, the more we like him.

That may be true that Kerry may be more popular than Bush. My point was that McCain may be more popular than Kerry. I don't think a Presidential candidate wants his Veep to outshine him.

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[WindowSill]

That may be true that Kerry may be more popular than Bush. My point was that McCain may be more popular than Kerry. I don't think a Presidential candidate wants his Veep to outshine him.


Well something in that campaign has to shine, and its not gonna be Kerry one way or the other. The man has the charisma of an ant.

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[TheMojoPin]

That's still pretty generous, implying he even has ANY charisma in the first place...

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[curtoid]

You don't want him to get a Quayle, which many suspected Bush Sr. had chosen so he wouldn't be outshined. It hurt him, in some respect, but wasn't fatal as they were elected in 1988.

He needs someone people can imagine would be a good President, in the event something were to happen.

While the general belief now is that Gore was a lousy Vice President, I believe he was one of the first great ones we've had in many administrations; I remember even thinking back in '92 that a Gore/Clinton ticket appealed to me more.

Even though I didn't vote "Democrat" then, I credit Clinton for picking Gore, because Gore was a true moderate, and (at the time) respected by both Republicans and Democrats. In fact, it wasn't until about half way through the 2nd Clinton term did the GOP really turn up the heat/juice on Al Gore, when they knew he would be running in 2000.

Up until then, the worst they would say was that he was wacky for the environment. Many had continued to praise him, even when tearing down Clinton. All of that got erased, though, when he went for the Presidency, and the revisionists got a hold of him and reshaped public opinion.

I think the bar has now been raised - Bush picking Cheney illustrates that - and Kerry will have to have someone strong in the number two spot, regardless of whether that person outshines him.





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[WindowSill]

Im positive that if Gore ran versus Bush again this year, he would undoubtably win. Hell he pretty much won the last election.

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[A.J.]

While the general belief now is that Gore was a lousy Vice President,

Really? I never heard any criticism of his performance as Veep. His presidential campaign? Well, that's another matter.

I think Gore and Bush 41 were both excellent Vice Presidents. Even though I'm no fan of the Clinton Administration, Gore and Bush 41 had differences with their respective bosses, they were very loyal to them: which is pretty much the most important job of being the Veep.

And until Cheney came along, Gore may have been the most powerful Veep since LBJ (after Hillary resumed the more "traditional" Fisrt Lady role of course).

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[FUNKMAN]

Im positive that if Gore ran versus Bush again this year, he would undoubtably win.


I'm pretty much an open minded Democrat but i'd have to politely disagree. Gore comes off as being a 'goober' and with terrorism running neck and neck with the economy as being top on the 'US citizen priority list' i don't think Gore would come close. Kerry has been in the Military and has seen combat. He may lack personality but he doesn't come off as being weak or 'gooberish'...





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[TheMojoPin]

Gore may have been the most powerful Veep since LBJ

Check out the LBJ bios by Dallek, or the book "Mutual Contempt."

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LBJ certainly intended to come in and make the VP spot a new source of power, but the Kennedys, ESPECIALLY RFK, come him off at the knees at almost every chance, and Johnson literally became clinically depressed and paranoid over how little power he really had and how much he had lost by taking the VP slot instead of remaning in the senate. The only real significant project he had as VP was helping shape NASA as an organization, and even that was a ceremonial "hands-on" post at best.

It was this bottling up of his abilities that I think really pushed LBJ to become the brilliant domestic president he was for his first 3-4 years in the top spot.

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[A.J.]

LBJ certainly intended to come in and make the VP spot a new source of power, but the Kennedys, ESPECIALLY RFK, come him off at the knees at almost every chance, and Johnson literally became clinically depressed and paranoid over how little power he really had and how much he had lost by taking the VP slot instead of remaning in the senate. The only real significant project he had as VP was helping shape NASA as an organization, and even that was a ceremonial "hands-on" post at best.

You're certainly right that RFK was the second most powerful man in Washington during the Kennedy Administration. I still think that LBJ was probably the most influential Veep up until that point. Yes, the NASA role was "ceremonial" perhaps, but NASA hadn't had much success until the Mercury program. LBJ deserves some credit for that.

And I think JFK relied on LBJ's Congressional experience and skills to push legislation on the Hill -- much the way Bush relies on Cheney.

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[TheMojoPin]

And I think JFK relied on LBJ's Congressional experience and skills to push legislation on the Hill -- much the way Bush relies on Cheney.

Too true. JFK's minimal domestic legislation probably would have been far less if he hadn't had LBJ and his congressional contacts on his side. Nevermind that Jack had to hold Bobby back from trying to get LBJ thrown in jail, much less dropped from the ticket...

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[LarryCrunt]

What 's not being discussed here, in case no one heard about this the first time around, is that this is the SECOND TIME that Kerry officially asked McCain to become VP. To me, this shows desperation on Kerry's part, and I'm willing to bet that he just alienated many influential members of his party who object to this ridiculous proposal. Of course, he will never become POTUS, because aside from the fact that he admittedly killed innocent civilians in Viet Nam, has been anti-America for all of his adult life and career in the Senate, the Clintons are going to sabotage his candidacy so that Hitlery can run in 4 years.

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[HBox]

Of course, he will never become POTUS, because aside from the fact that he admittedly killed innocent civilians in Viet Nam, has been anti-America for all of his adult life and career in the Senate, the Clintons are going to sabotage his candidacy so that Hitlery can run in 4 years.

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[LarryCrunt]

Im positive that if Gore ran versus Bush again this year, he would undoubtably win. Hell he pretty much won the last election.

I don't mean this in a bad or insulting way, but how old might you be? Just wondering if you're in college, out of school, etc....

Even the lieral-biased press has written Gore off as having gone off the deep end with his Al Charlitan impersonations with his screaming, yelling, pontificating, lying about his global warming bullshit when he doesn't have to, etc. Gore wouldn't be elected dog catcher (mainly because Howard Dean has that job).

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[TheMojoPin]

ridiculous proposal

Why is it so ridiculous?

has been anti-America for all of his adult life and career in the Senate

So he was still true to the red, white and blue when he was a kid? What was the momentous event that moved him to become such a dire and diabolical anti-American?

Magic?

Even the lieral-biased press has written Gore off as having gone off the deep end with his Al Charlitan impersonations with his screaming, yelling, pontificating, lying about his global warming bullshit when he doesn't have to, etc. Gore wouldn't be elected dog catcher (mainly because Howard Dean has that job).

This is a bit, right? Because you're easily the best character this board has ever seen. Take Emeril_Dice off to the side and show him how it's done.

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[HBox]

Even the lieral-biased press has written Gore off as having gone off the deep end with his Al Charlitan impersonations with his screaming, yelling, pontificating, lying about his global warming bullshit when he doesn't have to, etc. Gore wouldn't be elected dog catcher (mainly because Howard Dean has that job).

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[TheMojoPin]

I want to hear more nicknames for the dire liberal villains destroying the moral fabric of this great country!

USE YOUR MIGHTY BRAINPOWER TO MAKE IT SO!!!

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[LarryCrunt]

Is that all you're capable of? Tossing out personal insults when you have absolutely no ammo to dispute my opinions? Perhaps you should argue with your points debating what I've said, instead being a "big man" and trying to trash me like a 5 year old.

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[TheMojoPin]

I made fun of you making silly names and insults for political public figures. Don't try and suddenly take the high road now, you flaming hypocrite.

Like you've said, you've presented OPINIONS, not facts. If they're facts, back them up. If you can't, well, that's YOUR problem.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I made fun of you making silly names and insults for political public figures.
You don't neccessarily do it, but names like "Shrub" and "Dumbya" abound here.

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[HBox]

I know this is way off topic, but I think I woke up in bizarro world. I turned on the TV and saw President Bush unveiling portraits of Bill and Hillary Clinton. And then they all shook hands and President Bush spoke kindly of Clinton. And then my TV imploded on itself and created a black hole.

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[blakjeezis]

The whole fucking system sucks. Kerry is trying to get McCain, not because he'd be a good veep which he would, but because he's trying to get the 'swing' votes. There is no more ideology, only posturing. Politics is no longer about trying to help the people its about trying to fool the people. Take a look at the 9-11 commission. What was sold to us as an attempt to find and close holes in our security was nothing more than a protracted game of political one-upsmanship, and opinion mongering. That's what the campaigns have become, that's what every legislative process, White House scandal, and Presidential appointment have become. This country is no longer of, for, by or about the people. We need to scrap the whole rotting pile and start over again.

And I don't care if your Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Green, Communist, fucking Raving Loony Party, the entire system is shot. Voting for Bush or Kerry, and let's face the horrible truth; they're the only votes that count, is not going to change a Goddamn thing. The system no longer works. It has failed! They're all sitting in DC, behind their shield of lies, safe in their knowledge that we cannot penetrate it. They have removed themselves from the common man and now rule from their proverbial Ivory Towers.

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[A.J.]

Of course, he will never become POTUS, because aside from the fact that he admittedly killed innocent civilians in Viet Nam,

That was former Nebraska Senator BOB KERREY.

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[Tall_James]

I want to hear more nicknames for the dire liberal villains destroying the moral fabric of this great country!


Nancy "Fingercuffs" Pelosi


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[TheMojoPin]

I made fun of you making silly names and insults for political public figures.
You don't neccessarily do it, but names like "Shrub" and "Dumbya" abound here.

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You're right. But it's still a minority that resort to those names when they won't let their argumentsspeak for themselves. But it's pretty lame from either side.

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[Tall_James]

When I heard Dan Rather refer to Karl Rove as a "Baby Raper" it was a little over the line of good taste.


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[Yerdaddy]

When I heard Dan Rather refer to Karl Rove as a "Baby Raper" it was a little over the line of good taste.
OK. You got me. I googled "Dan Rather" "Karl Rove" "Baby Raper" and got a picture of you laughing. You made me look.

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[TheMojoPin]

Oh, you crazy nun-raper! When will you EVER learn?

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