Who should replace Ray "The Wonderboy" Bottoms as R&F Producer!

[curtoid]

This isn't speculation - Sugar-Ray Wagner just announced he is out of here in a little more than a week--July 2nd.

I may be in the minority, but I'm going to miss him, and I wish him nothing but the best.

But that's not why we are gathered here...who do you think is the best replacement for WB out there?!

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[jax]

Didn't the guys mention Al Dukes "negotiating for more money" recently?

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What about Black Earl and Hawk?


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[smiler grogan]

i vote for the Hawk

[JPMNICK]

Staples is always funny. Looking back to the show after Al left, Billy's stories and problems were great. Al was also fun to make fun of, but with the no drinking policy, my vote is for:

STAPLES

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[JohnnyCash]

I would like to see The Hawk back with them. Al Dukes would be really good too. He always made for some good radio. Like the good old NY days.

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[jafter]

I would love to see Black Earl join the boys down here.

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[SatCam]

Billy or Mizzle Tizzle.
I chose Billy.

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[Mike Teacher]

I chose Billy.


Me too. theyre right, i'd chuck a salesperson out a window. Show producing in a word, stinks. The logging, scheduling, phone and email barrages, dealing with the constant fighting between sales and production, and the dirty work of getting studios ready is something i did long ago, and got sick of real quick.

It was nice my name came up; even nicer that they were honest. No way would I work out.

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[ChickenHawk]

An opening, eh? I'll take that.

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Earl or Earl.

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[SatCam]

Hah... nothing against you, Big Mike.

There's really a lot of options to choose from. The first people I'd go with would probably be people associated with the show but didn't have the producing job. It'd bring back an old face but it would be from a different perspective... Billy being one of them, Earl another.

And best of luck to Mister Ray Bottoms for getting a job in a music field he knows nothing about! Good luck in Hurricane Harbor!

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After a series of staggering defeats, Ron and Fez will assemble in WJFK studios in late 2004 for a session with famed producer Bruce Dickinson. And, luckily for us, the cameras will be rolling.

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[TheMojoPin]

I heard the very end of The Hideout, and they were talking like their producer Tommy going to R&F's show is a sure thing.

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[Reephdweller]

Would that explain why Black Earl was in town? That he was possibly interviewing for the position.

Personally I'd love to see Al Dukes back on the show because it would be really funny to see them drive him crazy again. Though I think that MojoPin is right in that Tommy Bats will likely get it if it's done within the station.

I'm not sure if additional experience is required for shows in syndication though I would imagine that would be something of a benefit of experience for whoever will be the ultimate person for the job.

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I would love to hear Al Dukes come back. He was a horrible, and miserable human being, and it was great.

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STAAAPLES....NOOWWW!!!!!

I don't think people realize how much Billy wrote for the show when he was there


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[JPMNICK]

Does anybody remember the show where ron and fez talked about all the crap bits billy has brought in? They had a list and were just rattling them off.



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[stickyfingers]

often those made for the most entertaining radio.

And its not just the bits. Its the writing for the show as in topics to discuss on a nightly basis.



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[Assuck]

Is there any possibility at all that Joe Poo could come back? If he became the new producer the show would be absolutely perfect.

[mikeyboy]

Is there any possibility at all that Joe Poo could come back? If he became the new producer the show would be absolutely perfect.


They touched on that last night. They said that if they were looking for someone to insult people and be funny on the air, Joe would be the guy. However, Joe's not the most "motivated" guy, so they didn't think he would be good at taking over all the off-air producer reponsibilities.

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[Mike Teacher]

good at taking over all the off-air producer reponsibilities.


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Logging the Show
Producing the spots when Productionpeople aren't around
Logging the Spots
Dealing with Sales and Productions constant `its not good enough' `we have to change one word' `it has to be ready for tonights show'
About 100 calls a day; forget post-its; I had a book with those tear-out sheets, the secretaries just filled pages everyday; guests, sponsors, record labels [for music stations]
Doing all of this when there are other Producers of other shows hijacking your stuff; production time, clients.
Meeting meetings meetings: new clients pitching products [this is a Real form of Torture]; dealing with the GM and what he wants for the show, the Sales Manager, and the other suits. Death by Meeting.
Getting contests together = the idea + the questions + getting the info of the winners + getting the prizes out + checking for Prize Pigs [people who call in all the time to win over and over]
Getting the studio ready: Mics Board Settings Phone Bank Setting correct Music, spots, bumpers, stingers, etc.
Working the clock; with two stations they now have to co-ordinate breaks to the second with the other station.

This is a short list off the top of my head of what I used to do when I produced shows.

Maybe some want this; Ive been there and done that; on a smaller scale, but what I'm saying is: The job is Maybe, maybe 5% on-air fun, and 95% of the bullshit above.


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[Neogoon]

In order to maintain the level of quality, intelligence, reliability and trustworthiness brought to the producer position by Wonderboy, I nominate:

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Oooooh wow. Hey... uh... ham sandwich.. If things don't work out with Ron & Fez I have... I have a job... yea, I could use you over here. Just PM me. PM me anytime.

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[ChickenHawk]

That is the sloppiest fuckin' ham sandwich I've ever seen.

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And nothing is worse than thick ass ham like that with all the grizzle on the end that makes it all chewy. You have GOT to ask for a ham sandwhich TISSUE PAPER THIN. As thin as they can slice it. It is so much better.

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[curtoid]

While this is a "Who would you want" kind of fantasy thread, the realities of that job kind of eliminate a lot of potentially really good people.

First, and maybe the most important, let's don't pretend that that job pays a lot of money. I'm sure WB did all right, but last night they touched on it a few times, in relation to why some people couldn't be there. At one point they referenced someone as making "3 times" the ammount of WB; and a moment later they mentioned someone else making "$50,000" a year, with a tone of that was a lot more money that what they could pay.

And it is a lot of money, but if we're talking about something 1/3 or 1/2 of that, well, that's something else. It might be good for someone young and eager; someone starting out learning the ropes and getting their foot in the door - sadly, though, $50K isn't even up to the average for living in Northern Virginia, much less 1/3 or 1/2 of that amount.

There are advantages to sticking it out at WJFK. Cameron Grey, who is one of the top guys there now, has been there forever, working he way from show to show, impressing people.

If Tommy Bats is already in there, he would be a good choice. Not only is he on the payroll and knows how things work there, but he would really be a devoted team player, he seems like a good producer for The Hideout, he understands that he will often have to take his lumps, he can actually give shit out, they appear that they really like the kid already, he's not afraid to call people out, and he seems (on air) like he might be a little nutty, which would be a really added bonus for R&F! He would be a very different kind of "character."

All of that said, I voted for "Jafter" because I have been a long time supporter of a Jafter Administration! In the end, though, I'm sure R&F will find a good replacement. It's not like they haven't gone through this before!!!




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And nothing is worse than thick ass ham like that with all the grizzle on the end that makes it all chewy. You have GOT to ask for a ham sandwhich TISSUE PAPER THIN. As thin as they can slice it. It is so much better.

Tell me about it. The deli counters around here, you ask for cold cuts shaved as thin as they can get it, they look at you like you've got a third eye growing out of your forehead.

For purposes of this discussion, we will assume I do not have a third eye growing out of my forehead.

It's all about the surface area, man.

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[SatCam]

My Radio Psychic is that Bateman gets the job. Hearing last night's Hideout, both of the guys seemed really set on convincing Bates to take the job. He seems like a fairly good producer, but I don't see him fitting into the former prodcers' shoes (but we will see).

Regardless of that, I think he will STILL get the job. After all, he got the job with the Hideout.

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[Legolas]

Mizzle:


"Logging the Show
Producing the spots when Productionpeople aren't around
Logging the Spots
Dealing with Sales and Productions constant `its not good enough' `we have to change one word' `it has to be ready for tonights show'
About 100 calls a day; forget post-its; I had a book with those tear-out sheets, the secretaries just filled pages everyday; guests, sponsors, record labels [for music stations]
Doing all of this when there are other Producers of other shows hijacking your stuff; production time, clients.
Meeting meetings meetings: new clients pitching products [this is a Real form of Torture]; dealing with the GM and what he wants for the show, the Sales Manager, and the other suits. Death by Meeting.
Getting contests together = the idea + the questions + getting the info of the winners + getting the prizes out + checking for Prize Pigs [people who call in all the time to win over and over]
Getting the studio ready: Mics Board Settings Phone Bank Setting correct Music, spots, bumpers, stingers, etc.
Working the clock; with two stations they now have to co-ordinate breaks to the second with the other station.

This is a short list off the top of my head of what I used to do when I produced shows.

Maybe some want this; Ive been there and done that; on a smaller scale, but what I'm saying is: The job is Maybe, maybe 5% on-air fun, and 95% of the bullshit above."

Do you think Wonderboy did all this??????????????


First choices:

Rory Hamptons: Been with the guys, maybe the longest, has great show ideas, has great chemistry with the guys on the air and can produce. This would also solve our "Fez is depressed" problem. He'll perk up in a minute when he see's Rory's butt strutting around the studio. :)
Best producer they've ever had.

Al Dukes: Comedy Gold. The boys could go on and on and on about Al. One if the problems of the show seems to be that they don't have enough stuff to talk about. Great source of comedy.

Hawk: the guys love him, he seemed to be good and he's funny in that weird way.


Second choices:

Black earl: I don't know much about this dark shadow but the boys like him. I know he use to produce but that's about all. On air he doesn't really add much unless you're talking about music


Joe Poo: Like someone said before; he's funny, has great chemistry with the fellas and has a very interesting voice. Whether he can produce is another matter.

Sorries:

Billy Staples: Comedy Gold. He's just fun to make fun of and has weird stories. Great source for show material (he would be the material) but anyone remember "bad billy bits" or how about "animals that are extinct" and having animals like chicken and lions and elephant.

Mikey D: Unless he's just going to play audio diaries I can't see how he's going to help. All he seems to know is stuff about music and we also don't need "gameshow" attached to everything.

Edited to add that if we can keep the "gameshow" references in everything and not do a lot of rock stuff I think he'd be fine.

Ron: Are they lifeguards or lifepussies?!?!

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[Mike Teacher]

Do you think Wonderboy did all this???


I dont know. If not him; who is doing it?

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[Legolas]

j-dubbs ?

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[mikeyboy]

Legolas, you seem very down on Wonderboy's producing job, and you seem to be basing it solely on what you hear on the air. I can safely see, from seeing it first-hand, that WB did a lot more behind the scenes than you give him credit for.


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[Legolas]

I'm certainly not the only one. Also, he's screwed up plenty of times on the air and Ron and Fez seem frustrated with him like with no other producer.

What else am I going to base his producing skills on? All I get to hear is what's done on the air. When was the last time they had a cool call-in contest or anything else radio related that would involve producing?

Ron: Are they lifeguards or lifepussies?!?!

[mikeyboy]

I'll give you one example of Wonderboy doing a good job as producer -- the St. Pat's Spat. It was a complicated remote event with tight deadlines and an insanely large list of elements that needed to be juggled. The show ran very smoothly, and from what I saw, Wonderboy was the driving force behind making it run smoothly. Of course, everyone will remember the bizarre outcome of the last fight rather than the producing job. Also, he pulled it off despite the fact that he had to box at the end of the show. The producing job probably went unnoticed by most listeners, but that's the point. The main focus of the job is to make the show run smoothly behind the scenes.

You say yourself that you only have what you hear on the radio to base your judgement on. None of the listeners have or will ever have all the facts on what happens behind the scenes. Without that, you only have part of the picture. It seems silly to me to pass judgment when you don't have all of the information.

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[ToxicGarden]

The best u can come up with is a live remote 4 months ago?

Did u forget about the "hum your fave guitar riff" contest?

Rockin' Ray Wagner is a pure jean yus. He will set nags head on fire..


Don't touch me,
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[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm certainly not the only one. Also, he's screwed up plenty of times on the air and Ron and Fez seem frustrated with him like with no other producer.

What else am I going to base his producing skills on? All I get to hear is what's done on the air. When was the last time they had a cool call-in contest or anything else radio related that would involve producing?

Ron: Are they lifeguards or lifepussies?!?!

This is why this thread is meaningless. What is said and done on the air and what's done behind the scenes are two totally different things. Unless you can see what's going on behind the curtain, what your opinion (or anyone's opinion) of a producer is worthless.

Ron and Fez need as a producer someone who is a target, someone who can take abuse, and can also get the job done reliably.

Rory was the only teflon producer.



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[ToxicGarden]

Rory was the only teflon producer.


with no loyalty.

They need someone who isn't going to jump ship & bail the first time someone offers them a little more $ or a chance to have their own show.


Don't touch me,
I'm NOT Mikey D!!!!!

[JPMNICK]

This argument is so stupid. The main bit Ron and Fez do is "our producer is an idiot, they fuck everything up, the listeners could do better" Look back at any producer. They all sucked. Now do you think they all really sucked, or it was a bit. because soon as the producer was gone, they were still friends with them saying how much they miss them.

This is just a thing they do. I am sure wonderboy has his moments of weakness, but from what I hear it does seem like a lot of the problems come from the JFK people. He was around the daily going's on in NYC, I am sure he is capable of benig a producer.


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[ToxicGarden]

Didnt they have a chick producing Ron and Fez.com?
Donna? or something?

Rumor around the water fooler is that Lisa Herndon will be the new producer.




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[TheMojoPin]

Tasteless Ginny, you stoned goon.

She even still posts around these parts from time to time.

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[ToxicGarden]

Tasteless Ginny, you stoned goon.

You are absolutely wrong AGAIN kid.

They had a producer named Donna.



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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, you're actually right. I totally forgot about her. Was it "Donna?" For some reason I thought her name began with an "R."

But I'm still right about your being a stoned goon, goon.

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[ToxicGarden]

Yeah, you're actually right. I totally forgot about her.

Ya may wanna lay off the dope son. I hear it causes memory problems.

The hell with it- I say bring in Corky and turn this mutha out

Don't touch me,
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[SatCam]

Didn't Webby do the site and Ginny did the daily updates? Somthing like that.



Rory was the only teflon producer.
with no loyalty.

They need someone who isn't going to jump ship & bail the first time someone offers them a little more $ or a chance to have their own show.
What the fuck? Rory was with the boys for the longest time! Don't you think that Rory would have left long before he did if he didn't have any loyalty? Rory left because he KNEW the station was gone and the staff ended up being layed off soon after. He was just being pro-active and decided that he might as well get a job before he had no job.


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[Tenbatsuzen]

Rory was the only teflon producer.


with no loyalty.

They need someone who isn't going to jump ship & bail the first time someone offers them a little more $ or a chance to have their own show.




Shut the fuck up. Seriously.

Considering that everyone who worked Ron and Fez on WNEW had other jobs, don't you think that maybe it's not the best paying job in the world? Maybe he wanted a challenge. Maybe he wanted to move up. Radio is all about turnover.

By this logic, you're saying Wonderboy has no loyalty because he's moving up and on, when he's clearly shown he's got the most loyalty by blindly moving to DC when he had no connection there.

EDIT: And what Satcam said. I forgot that he left right before the move.

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[mikeyboy]

EDIT: And what Satcam said. I forgot that he left right before the move.


Actually, he left after the move. WNEW flipped at the end of January 2003, and Rory stuck it out until the beginning of June of 2003, coming down by train with Billy, Ron & Fez for the days they were broadcasting out of JFK. Billy, Mikey, Elvis, WB, and Hawk all started leaving soon after, and everyone was gone the end of June. By the time Rory left, it's quite possible that the writing was on the wall, and he knew that the NY staff was getting laid off.

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[ToxicGarden]

Shut the fuck up. Seriously.
By this logic, you're saying Wonderboy has no loyalty.


No I said your boyfriend had no loyalty.
Wonderboy rolled the dice, made the move, took the chance and kicked Rorys ass in producing.
He (WB) may be the greatest producer that ever lived... next to Dukes.

Rory bailed when the going got tough.
I guess WB just had a little more faith in the show.
don't cry. It's just the facts lover.




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[Tenbatsuzen]

Rory bailed when the going got tough.
I guess WB just had a little more faith in the show.
don't cry. It's just the facts lover.



Just the facts? How the hell does loyalty figure into a pay raise and a chance for advancement in one of the largest companies in America? It's an opportunity afforded to someone after doing a great job in a position with little recognition and even smaller pay.

Considering that Rory's been to R&F events after his leaving the show, I'm pretty sure the only one who sees him as a betrayer is yourself.

BTW, nice gay innuendo, even though you're giving a friggin' e-colonoscopy to WB and dukes.

Try a little more self-promotion. I'll gloat quietly when you fall flat on your junkie face.







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[mikeyboy]

Take it off board.

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Try a little more self-promotion. I'll gloat quietly when you fall flat on your junkie face.


ok
Junkies fake radio show can be heard here- (http://www.perrynoid.com)

Tenbat, don't hate me cause I own your mind, I'll give it back when I'm done entertaining my fans at your expense.



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There is only one choice.....The Fabulous AL DUKES......You can't keep coming in here GAY as a cricket!!!!!!

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[Legolas]

Shut the fuck up. Seriously.
By this logic, you're saying Wonderboy has no loyalty.


No I said your boyfriend had no loyalty.
Wonderboy rolled the dice, made the move, took the chance and kicked Rorys ass in producing.
He (WB) may be the greatest producer that ever lived... next to Dukes.

Rory bailed when the going got tough.
I guess WB just had a little more faith in the show.
don't cry. It's just the facts lover.




This message was edited by ToxicGarden on 6-24-04 @ 6:58 PM

You are kidding right?? Wonderboy, the best producer?? Jeez!!

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[Legolas]

One of the ways I judge the show is by how much "stuff" is done on air. Yes things get done behind the scenes, blah, blah, blah and maybe it's WJFK's fault and not Wonderboy's but I just don't see it in the show anymore. The quality, IMHO, has gone down since WB's reign. Again, maybe it's WJFK, but while Rory was there I wasn't worried about it and certainly not while Al Dukes was there.

I know the "my producer sucks" thing is something that R and F do, but I've never heard them yell at any other producer and mean it the way they do with WB.

Anyway we'll see shortly if things start to change.

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[mikeyboy]

I've never heard them yell at any other producer and mean it the way they do with WB.


Once again, you're basing this solely on what you hear on the radio. How do you know this to be true?

Also, you're claiming that the show has deteriorated since WB took over. If it has in fact deteriorated, don't you think some of that can be blamed at the fact that, up until the brief period when Dubs and El Jefe were handling production, the show had 5(!) people (Rory, WB, Mikey, Billy & Hawk), on the payroll, not including interns. Currently, there are two (WB and Dubs). That is undoubtedly going to make a difference in how a show is produced.

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This message was edited by mikeyboy on 6-28-04 @ 7:20 PM

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[Impresario]

Rory Hamptons and Billy Staples were both led to believe they would be welcomed along with Ron and Fez to WJFK, in the end this did not happen and both were let go/terminated. Rory's "AOL Time Warner" position was acquired after he learned of this news which was several weeks before his departure.


That is what actually happened.

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[french bread pizza]

Me too. theyre right, i'd chuck a salesperson out a window. Show producing in a word, stinks. The logging, scheduling, phone and email barrages, dealing with the constant fighting between sales and production, and the dirty work of getting studios ready is something i did long ago, and got sick of real quick.

It was nice my name came up; even nicer that they were honest. No way would I work out.



all that dirty work, that's what rory did best, i vote rory, the old rory

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The best u can come up with is a live remote 4 months ago?



Hey hey hey, don't forget he remodeled the office back around Christmas.


As far as good producers go. I think that when I listen to the shows with WB as producer I never really got the impression that he was consistent in terms of getting Ron and Fez what they needed for successful shows. Whether it was preparing gigs/events, or things such as the poker tournament, or even the Dinner for Five bit that went nowhere.

I'm sure that WB does a heck of a lot more behind the scenes than what we hear on the air. However when I listened to O&A shows with Rick as the producer it seemed like he got things done. Now granted I know that R&F go after their producers, whereas O&A or other hosts don't necessarily, or in the same way, but I still saw a difference in the style of producing from where Rick seemed to have things under control and lined up the guests and various bits and things got done. Whereas on R&F Wonderboy and to the same extent Al Dukes seemed to work within whatever current moment they were in. Whereas they should have been able to both work on the current show, and still plan for future events.

I know these are different shows and things are different between the hosts and producers, but when I think of a show that had a great producer who made shows about the hosts and not about themslves I always thought of Rick as a good example.

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[french bread pizza]

if anyone remembers wonderboy was an intern while rory was the producer. rory taught wonderboy everything he knows (okay not everything but most of the stuff with the show)

ray is a great producer and i have no doubt he does all the nitty gritty behind the scenes work, simply because he learned from the best


also people shouldn't make assumptions as to why rory didn't go with the show to dc. maybe he was "invited" but couldn't take the pay cut, maybe he couldn't uproot his whole life and leave everything and everyone for a low salary that wouldn't have taken him where he wanted to be.

just face it, no one knows the behinds the scenes. even those who believe they are behind the scenes listeners. there's more going on to everything. i've been behind the scenes when most were not and even I didn't know everything.


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[Legolas]

I've never heard them yell at any other producer and mean it the way they do with WB.


Once again, you're basing this solely on what you hear on the radio. How do you know this to be true?

Also, you're claiming that the show has deteriorated since WB took over. If it has in fact deteriorated, don't you think some of that can be blamed at the fact that, up until the brief period when Dubs and El Jefe were handling production, the show had 5(!) people (Rory, WB, Mikey, Billy & Hawk), on the payroll, not including interns. Currently, there are two (WB and Dubs). That is undoubtedly going to make a difference in how a show is produced.

This message was edited by mikeyboy on 6-28-04 @ 7:20 PM

We all can't come into the studio and see how the show is run. Most here don't and can only base their opinions on what they hear on the radio.

And yes I'm sure that having their staff cut hurts too.

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[mikeyboy]

We all can't come into the studio and see how the show is run. Most here don't and can only base their opinions on what they hear on the radio.


It's clear that you don't like Wonderboy on the air. That's fine. That's your opinion. My point has been all along has been that you don't have enough information to make an accurate judgement as to whether Wonderboy is a good producer (frankly, none of us here do). Why pass judgement on something you have limited information on merely because you don't like Wonderboy?


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[Legolas]

So I can't judge at all? Of course I can.

You can watch a television show and tell it's badly produced and I'm sure those producers are running crazy behind the scenes and it can still suck.

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[mikeyboy]

You can watch a television show and tell it's badly produced and I'm sure those producers are running crazy behind the scenes and it can still suck.


*sigh* That's not what I said at all. What I said is that you can't make a judgment as to whether Wonderboy is a good producer. If a show is produced badly, yes, you can form an opinion on that. What you don't know is whether:

a) the appearance of the show is intentional (i.e. certain things are made to look "badly produced" for effect)
b) production of the show is hampered by a host of elements out of the control of the producer -- e.g. budgets, staffing, content restrictions, format changes, rulings from superiors, etc.

I don't pretend to know the answers to these questions myself, and as such I do not claim to know how good of a job Wonderboy has done. Probably only Ron & Fez know that for sure. To a lesser extent, Cameron Gray, J Dubs, and the interns know as well.

I think I can safely say that you don't like Wonderboy on the air, and I'm guessing that you don't think the show is as good as it used to be. As to the former, whether he is good on teh air has nothing to do with his job behind the scenes as a producer. As to the latter, whether you like it or not, the show has changed since they left New York. It's more structured, for one. Gone are the days when an interesting topic would keep them on for 40 or 50 minutes without a break if the topic dictated. It's also more topical. Comedy pyramids are used far less often. Fezatorials, at least for now, are gone. They are also broadcasting to markets with very different listeners than they had in NY. They are also feeling the pinch of content restrictions dicated by the FCC. How much of your dissatisfaction comes from the show changes and how much comes from WB's behind the scenes production skills? I don't think that is an easy determination to make without having any idea what is going on behind the scenes.

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keep fighting the good fight, mikey.



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also people shouldn't make assumptions as to why rory didn't go with the show to dc. maybe he was "invited" but couldn't take the pay cut, maybe he couldn't uproot his whole life and leave everything and everyone for a low salary that wouldn't have taken him where he wanted to be.

just face it, no one knows the behinds the scenes. even those who believe they are behind the scenes listeners. there's more going on to everything. i've been behind the scenes when most were not and even I didn't know everything.




I'm not exactly sure this was aimed at me, but I'll bite anyway.

FOR THE RECORD:

I don't consider myself to be an "insider" with the Ron and Fez show. I don't even consider myself to be a part of the show, either then or now. I had a call-in character gimmick for a few months and that was about it.

I wanted to be a part of the show, but I ultimately tried too hard, really wasn't that funny, melted down, failed some people, failed myself, and ultimately gave myself a pretty huge reality and ego check that I had to settle down from.

HOWEVER

I live, breathe, and eat the radio business. So any speculation I make about the radio business and the inside workings of a radio station IN A GENERAL SENSE I believe I am somewhat educated on.

That's when I was talking about Rory, I used speculatory terms like "maybe" or "perhaps" or "possibly". I don't know, I just speculate. And considering this is a speculation thread, I believe it's fair game.

Nothing against you, Frenchy. I know you're pretty inside and I'm not disrespecting you. A lot of the times I make speculations on a business standpoint and they don't mean to say that I have an inside track with WNEW past or present, Ron and Fez, O&A, etc.

The only connection I have to WNEW outside of the Ron and Fez show for the most part was an internship I had with the station several years ago. That's it.

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Tasteless Ginny, you stoned goon.

You are absolutely wrong AGAIN kid.

They had a producer named Donna.


Donna G. was the producer before me. I was hired, and cried a lot.

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Please God get a chick in there... and not crazy jen.

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[french bread pizza]

tenbat: was def. not directed towards you specifically..

i just read alot of posts assuming things. just a general post on the topic and topic posts.
btw, heard you on 1015 a few weeks ago talking to judy.



and i do agree that the listeners that do not have the opportunity to go into the studio and actually see even a tiny bit of the behind the scenes work a producer must do, these listeners MUST solely base their opinion on what they hear on the air.

although some people may not be able to differentiate (sp?) between reality and good radio, they are only going on what they hear and their opinion. i don't think anyone that has had this opinion has claimed to know what is going on behind the scenes and everyone has clearly said when their opinion is based solely on what they hear on the radio

i love radio and i enjoy the behind the scenes stuff. but not everyone does and those people simply care about what they listen to.


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[Legolas]

You can watch a television show and tell it's badly produced and I'm sure those producers are running crazy behind the scenes and it can still suck.


*sigh* That's not what I said at all. What I said is that you can't make a judgment as to whether Wonderboy is a good producer. If a show is produced badly, yes, you can form an opinion on that. What you don't know is whether:

a) the appearance of the show is intentional (i.e. certain things are made to look "badly produced" for effect)
b) production of the show is hampered by a host of elements out of the control of the producer -- e.g. budgets, staffing, content restrictions, format changes, rulings from superiors, etc.

I don't pretend to know the answers to these questions myself, and as such I do not claim to know how good of a job Wonderboy has done. Probably only Ron & Fez know that for sure. To a lesser extent, Cameron Gray, J Dubs, and the interns know as well.

I think I can safely say that you don't like Wonderboy on the air, and I'm guessing that you don't think the show is as good as it used to be. As to the former, whether he is good on teh air has nothing to do with his job behind the scenes as a producer. As to the latter, whether you like it or not, the show has changed since they left New York. It's more structured, for one. Gone are the days when an interesting topic would keep them on for 40 or 50 minutes without a break if the topic dictated. It's also more topical. Comedy pyramids are used far less often. Fezatorials, at least for now, are gone. They are also broadcasting to markets with very different listeners than they had in NY. They are also feeling the pinch of content restrictions dicated by the FCC. How much of your dissatisfaction comes from the show changes and how much comes from WB's behind the scenes production skills? I don't think that is an easy determination to make without having any idea what is going on behind the scenes.

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Well the structured part is what I don't like. Things don't flow anymore.

Don't like WB on the air but I also didn't mind the show when Rory was producing in d.c. and then jefe and j-dubs.

Didn't they already say that they wanted someone with more experience than wb had when he came in and also WB said that this was a job that you had to know already? That you couldn't come in and learn as you go??

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lol...cant believe al dukes won...

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[color=purple]I can't believe I'm even doing this, because I usually hate to interject logic and truth into some of the stupidity that gets spouted around here. It must be the tequila... but for everyone who used this thread as yet another excuse to bash WonderRay, get a fucking clue.

When Rory did the job, he did so with the benefit of 5 other guys, plus R&F, concentrating on the creative aspect of things. It allowed him to devote all of his time and energy to the technical side of things. WB never had that luxury.

I just hung out with Ray last night, and I can assure you that nobody here loves busting his balls more than I do. But that's kidding between friends. What happens here seems more like a crusade (and now the beating of a dead horse). And in all fairness, he didn't and doesn't deserve the almost emphatic like bashing some of you seem to live for.

The details of bureaucracy just weren't his forte, but he lived and died for R&F and gave the gig 110%. And in all honesty, given what he had to work with, he did a better job than anybody gives him credit for.

All that said, my vote for the new producer goes to Kenny Allen. That kid had moxie!

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