Interesting twist on Joe Wilson.

[Se7en]

The Senate Intelligence Report seems to dispute a few of his claims. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html)


The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.

The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations official cabled an overseas officer seeking concurrence with the idea of sending Wilson, the report said.

Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.


So wait - Wilson WASN'T entirely honest about things?

Shocked am I.

I'm completely shocked that a guy who went through purely legitmate channels and had no investigative experience is proven in the wrong vs. CIA and International intelligence.

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Josh Marshall addresses <a href=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_07_04.php#003143>this</a>.

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[Se7en]

My post got largely no-sold.

So, I guess I have to add more info.

That darn Senate Report is just not doing Wilson any favors. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html)

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So, I guess I have to add more info.


So you post the exact same link again?

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Let me help out my good buddy Se7en and add a new link for his side

C. Hitchens agrees that Joe Wilson is a doo-doo head (http://slate.msn.com/id/2103795/)

OK. So Wilson got the job through his wife's influence. I don't think that nepotism is going to become a capital crime under a regime named Bush. And it has not been conclusively disproved that agents of Iraq had ever tried to filch some yellowcake from Africa (although I don't see any evidence that I would use to say they did). So:

Is Joe Wilson being completely truthful? I'll stipulate no. Does he have an anti-Bush agenda? I'll stipulate yes. Does this excuse the Bush administration from outing a valuable CIA agent in a clumsy attempt to hide the fact that this Administration's rationales for a pre-emptive war were not fully vetted or even thought out?

I vote no. Knee-jerk defenders of this administration (I'm not pointing at anyone specific here, just a general observation) should be aware that they could be accused of some of the same moral failings with which they tarred and feathered an administration of not so very long ago.

In fact, a wise guy might say that the current Bush Administration's careful parsing of language when examining past statements, shifting of rationales for past actions, logical loop-de-loops and general cover-your-ass behaviors are positively Clintonian in their depth and scope.



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Why send Wilson at all?
The answer must be that the administration was desperately grasping at any straw to prove it's case.
Wilson was sent after neocons Wurmser and Feith, rummaging in CIA files, dug up the collection of documents we got from the Brits who got them from the Eye-Ties, and that the CIA and State Dept. intelligence service had said were bogus.
Why, oh why, would they say they were bogus?

Well, let's see,


* One of the letters, dated July 30, 1999, refers in the past tense to another letter dated June 29, 2000.

* One of the letters, dated Oct. 10, 2000, was headed as being from the Niger Conseil Militaire Supreme, an organization which had ceased to exist in May, 1989.

* The Oct. 10th letter was postmarked as being recieved in Rome Sept. 28, 2000.

* Another letter, allegedly from the president and foreign minister of Niger covering the alleged uranium deal, states that the deal is legal according to the 1965 Niger constitution, which meant exactly squadoosh since Niger was then under the law of the constitution of Aug. 9, 1999.

* The national emblem on the documents was incorrect.

* The signiature of the president of Niger on the documents did not even faintly resemble his real signiature.

* The alleged "deal" called for 500 tons of uranium to be put on a freighter flying a Gabon flag, then this ship would go out into international waters, and, while bobbing about on the ocean, somehow transfer 500 tons of uranium to a ship bound for Iraq.

* One of the letters stated that the deal was negotiated by Iraq's ambassador to the Vatican, Wissam al- Zahawiah, who was not the Iraqi ambassador to the Vatican then.

* another letter purported to be from an ambassador who had been out of office for over a decade.

* The text of one of the letters stated that the information in the body of the letter was classified "Top Secret," yet the letter was classified as "Confidential."


And to tie things up nicely, here's a quote on the documents from Greg Thielman, a senior officer at INR, the State Dept. intel agency,
"A whole lot of things told us the report was bogus, this wasn't highly contested [by analysts]. There weren't strong advocates on the other side. It was done, shot down."



And yet with all the phony indicators, what do the chickenhawk neo-cons do?
They present it to chain-chain-Cheney and get him to send Wilson to Niger to check it out.


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