9/11 Comission Report

[Reephdweller]

The 9/11 Comission Report is available here (http://wid.ap.org/documents/911/finalreport.html) if anyone is interested in reading it online.

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[Yerdaddy]

I was interested in buying it off the shelf today since it was supposed to be "available in bookstores across the country at the time of its release," but there isn't a copy of it in the state of Arizona yet.

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[blakjeezis]

Ehhhhh, boring. I knew from almost the first page how it was gonna end. I'd advise you to wait for the movie, or even better, wait and rent it.

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[furie]

Is anyone satisfied with the commission? Does anyone find comfort from the report?


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[Yerdaddy]

Is anyone satisfied with the commission? Does anyone find comfort from the report?

I've learned much from the staff reports and there's a number of issues that would not have been known to the public had they not come out during the hearings. As for my satisfaction, I still need to read the report to answer that.

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[Yerdaddy]

I'll be finished with this thing tomorrow and I'm very impressed with the book. It's fairly comprehensive, covering all the important aspects of the attacks, our preparedness before them, our defenses before, the plotting of the attacks, and what needs to be done according to the commission. It's written so that anyone can pick it up and understand it regardless of their political knowledge, a major advancement over every other book on similar lines that I've read, and obviously shows this was written by the commission staff. I think they've accomplised their stated goal of producing a work that every American can obtain and learn from and hold their leaders accountable for preventing another 9-11.

I just wish more people were reading it. I'd certainly like to get the feedback from people with experience in the policy areas that I don't have, like immigration and border security, like maybe, oh I don't know...furie? There are a broad and specific policy reccommendations and I'd like to know if they fit your understanding of what is and what needs to be done.

In general I get the feeling there's this hostility to this thing on the board, maybe created by some of the dumb-asses on here, but I'm throwing my full reccommendation behind this thing: If you give a shit about America you should at least read this $10 fucking book.

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[TheMojoPin]

I finished it the week it came out, and actually went and re-read it last week, it's THAT well organized and written.

And contrary to what people on the Right OR Left are trying to claim, it's not even close to being some kind of "finger-pointing" or accusation at anyone...it's a record of our history with Al-Queda and Afghanistan, and by default, much of the Middle East, for the last 10 years, leading up to the start of the Iraq War. It's a fantastic source of information, which is something people in this country desperately need these days.

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[Mike Teacher]

It was released as a PDF file that same day; and a look at my bookmarks shows I bookmarked it so long ago I cant find the link.

I was also impressed with the tone, but I actually took some notes while reading the first part, the Executive Summary i think it's called, and had a list of 'huh?' and 'that's nuts' that I will have to go find. As well as some lines I was impressed enough with I also wrote them down, where is that paper...

Long before all of this, since my Dad was a USMC and then NY Airways Pilot; I was fixated with aircraft, spacecraft, the whole thing. Airdisaster ot com is a wonderful place to study these things, but there is some pretty horrific stuff there too, so...
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One things that still blows me away, with everyone saying how much was done Wrong, was the Evacuation of the Twin Towers. Some are still scratching their heads as to how so many people actually got out that fast.

The numbers escape me, but they had either real of simulated exercises on this, I think after the 93 bombing. The time that it took to evacuate the towers in the drills was some rediculously long amount of time.

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Its morbid, but the Physics of it is quite surreal; you have the kinetic energy of a 150 ton airplane in motion vs. the potential energy of 250,000 ton building. When you see those numbers you understand why the buildings took the hits so 'well' to mis-use a term.

When I heard to phrase 'Fahrenheit 9/11' the first thing I thought was, wait, that's about the temperature, 800 degrees F, that the structure was subjected to in the resulting fire; several thousand gallons of avaition grade jet fuel...

It's too morbid for some so i'll stop.

Yes I read it; It's good, but the key to all of this paralells the Apollo 1, Challenger, and Colombia Dissaster reports:

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[Yerdaddy]

Suppliment the thing with this critique from <a href="http://www.csis.org/features/911commission.pdf" target="_blank">Anthony Cordesman</a>. It's got some stinging criticism of some, maybe even most, of the commission's reccommendations, while praising the recounting of the events. I think he's right when he describes the reccommendations as being overly vague in some places, describing the global strategy section as a plan to "fix the world", while other reccommendations are made as though an exact repeat of the 9-11 attacks is the only thing the intelligence community has to consider, (he points out the "tunnel vision" and "stovepiping" of the commission itself.) So I'd seriously reccommend the 12 page Cordesman analysis to anyone who's reading the Commission Report.

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[Captain Rooster]

Well written. I think the recommendations are dead on.



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