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[GaryWyze]

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After reading the interview, I honestly like them just a little bit less.

Bla, bla, bla, stern suck, bla, bla. Anthony is one funny fuck, but they really come across as obsessed and 2nd rate when they pick the stern bashing up exactly where they left off.

Okay, you couldn't say his name. Big whoop. Get over it already!

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[curtoid]

Not really a secret that I'm not a fan of theirs - I had my reasons, but to be honest after 2 years it really doesn't seem to matter. The only time I ever even think about them is when I see them mentioned on here.

So, the disclosure stuff out of the way, I agree with your read on the article. It comes off as a way for both the Post and O&A to just take a swipe at Stern, and to keep their names out there until they come back. There is no news in it - everyone knows they will be back at some point. It just seems like a broken record - isn't this the 2nd or 3rd article or interview about them in the last 6 or 8 months that really said nothing, yet still managed to get themselves tied in with Howard and his FCC garbage???

In any event, I hope they come back because there are friends and people I like and respect who were enormous O+A fans and miss them, and while I doubt I would listen again, their fans should be able to enjoy them.

Life is too short to worry about bullshit like that. Opie and Anthony and their fans were punished enough already.



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[mothershucker]

I think the point that both of you are missing is that Stern has been fighting for free speech on the radio since his doubleya nnnnnnnnnn b c days, yet had the balls to have O and A, and Don and Mike censored from even uttering his name. I would carry a grudge to the grave with such a huge hypocrite. So if they still "bash" him by telling the truth, so be it. Do not forget, it was Stern who ruined WNEW by not being a team player and comming to 102.7 to do mornings. If he had, the station would have been rated number one in BOTH drives, and had R and F to boot. They never would have fired O and A in such scenario because the station would have been a HUGE cash cow. So thanks big bird for taking away O and A, R and F, and hot talk as a format. Gee, now it is only you in N.Y., just what you wanted baby.



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[schmega]

stern deserves every bit of bashing he gets from other dj's. what if all the dj's he's beaten along the way had an option to censor him? where would he be today? fuck him and his horse-face girlfriend.

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[Mike Teacher]

I havent listened to stern since O+A were off the air; except when someone IMed me that Courtney Love was on and babbling, and That got boring in five minutes.



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[Patches]

Stern was railing (again) this morning against the FCC and said he'll be going to Sattelite Radio. He also said he'll go to 'whichever one Opie and Anthony don't go to' and that 'they pathetically still can't find jobs'.

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[Quinn]

Not really a secret that I'm not a fan of theirs - I had my reasons, but to be honest after 2 years it really doesn't seem to matter. The only time I ever even think about them is when I see them mentioned on here.

So, the disclosure stuff out of the way, I agree with your read on the article. It comes off as a way for both the Post and O&A to just take a swipe at Stern, and to keep their names out there until they come back. There is no news in it - everyone knows they will be back at some point. It just seems like a broken record - isn't this the 2nd or 3rd article or interview about them in the last 6 or 8 months that really said nothing, yet still managed to get themselves tied in with Howard and his FCC garbage???

In any event, I hope they come back because there are friends and people I like and respect who were enormous O+A fans and miss them, and while I doubt I would listen again, their fans should be able to enjoy them.

Life is too short to worry about bullshit like that. Opie and Anthony and their fans were punished enough already.



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2 fold:

1) Commenting on how an individual who had his company force the duo to stop even saying his name, has started this FCC/Free Speech issue make s sense since they were the show that was most effected by it.

2) Keep their names out there...correct. Everyone does it, so why shouldn't they? Did it work? Yes. supposedly Stern was talking about them this morning. Exactly what they were hoping for.

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[JPMNICK]

Its a sad day when I tune into AM radio instead of Stern. I actually listed to the damn sports guys on 102.7 instead of him. recently i tried to give him a chance again, but it is just not worth it. he talks so much shit and never does a damn thing. all about retiring and switching. he makes 100 million or whatever his contract is. he isn't going anywhere.

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[fezident]

Yaaaaawn!
O & A stopped being funny a looooong time ago. Before they were syndicated, they would just talk and goof around. It was a funny local show. Once they signed the big contract EVERY SINGLE SHOW was about chicks:
Ooooh, these chicks are hot!
Ooooh, the lesbian couch!
Hey, let's get the wiffle bat!
Wow, look at the boobs on her!
After a while, it just got boring. Really boring.
At least Stern does the news and gets huge celebrities to interview. Sure, he does "hot chick radio" at times but at least it's not EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY SHOW. In my opinion O&A are totally incapable of "taking on" Stern in the AM drive. Sure there will be a huge ratings spike for them initially but, let's check those books in a year and see what's what.


I wasnt shocked at the St. Pats stunt. Or the Voyeur Bus. Or at Janet Jacksons wardrobe bullshit.

R&F have, in my opinion, the perfect show. It's topical, interesting, very interactive and uniquely humorous. The new O&A showwill be none of the above.





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[okterrificsk]

hey fezident, thats why i stopped listening to STERN in 99, every minute it was, "do you do anal, want breast implants, wow robin this girl is so hot",then boring celeb interviews with the same boring sex type questions. boring.

and any real ona fan knows they werent all sex and "shock jock" bs.they were all over the place with topics.


also u cant fault ona on what the post choose to print im sure they talked to the paper for an hour or so, but the post choose to put Sterns name in it b/c for some reason that still gets heat.

[JPMNICK]

At least when O&A had chicks on and said they were hot, the usually were. if you listen to stern he goes crazy for these chicks who are pigs. that drives me crazy. his show really is so dull, but I will admit that Artie is one funny bastard.

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[curtoid]

At least when O&A had chicks on and said they were hot, the usually were. if you listen to stern he goes crazy for these chicks who are pigs. that drives me crazy.

It's radio. How would anyone know - why would anyone really care?



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[JPMNICK]

You know in sterns case from the TV show, and O&A from the web. And it matters because you depend on those people to paint a picture. Just like when you listen to a baseball game on the radio the more detail the better.

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[Mike Teacher]

It's radio. How would anyone know - why would anyone really care?


fucking a well told. radio as a whole these days with ipod, 500 channels of digital cable and on-demand movies and theatres and CDs and DVDs; as much as we might love a radio show, the entire medium has to compete with all that and more.

for me; O and A were fairly formulaic; Opie is the one who will stop at nothing, which isnt funny so much as ballsy, and Anthony, in my opinion, is one of the most talented, funny, drop-dead impression doin guy Not on the dial today. So when A could Shine, O+A were funny, for me. When ant would stay after 7 and hung on R+Fs show? The best shit ever. Bar None. IMHO.

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[JPMNICK]

When ant would stay after 7 and hung on R+Fs show? The best shit ever. Bar None. IMHO.


I could not agree more. I have missed night class to listen to those shows. they were awesome. The 3 of them really clicked well together. all could be funny with out stepping on each others toes.

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[TheMojoPin]

Man, Mike's right, I sitll have those R&F shows where Anthony guested saved on my comp, and they STILL crack me up. It's definitely "Opie WHO" after listening to those.

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[SilentSpic]

No disrespect to this board or the R&F show but I would rather listen to O&A and Stern.

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[schmega]

hoo hoo's either a liar, or completely ignorant to O&A's situation, to call them pathetic. i think he's just a liar. he must've read the article, and has to know about the no-compete clause that expires in october.

anthony's the funniest man that use to be on radio. opie's not funny, most of the time. anthony on r&f is less funny than when he's with opie. opie's funniest line came on r&f, when he told AngelAmy he doesnt care about her life. ron's funny on o&a, fez is less funny then.

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[Furtherman]

opie's not funny, most of the time. anthony on r&f is less funny than when he's with opie. opie's funniest line came on r&f, when he told AngelAmy he doesnt care about her life. ron's funny on o&a, fez is less funny then.


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[JPMNICK]

What about when Opie told the Domintrix she looked liek Joey Ramone and made her cry and ruined a bit for R&F? i thought that was great.

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[The Nature Boy]

I think the point that both of you are missing is that Stern has been fighting for free speech on the radio since his doubleya nnnnnnnnnn b c days, yet had the balls to have O and A, and Don and Mike censored from even uttering his name.

Dude, don't even give him this much credit. Penis and Lesbianism were being discussed on Donahue when Howchie was still a "boss jock". He's done a great job warping history, but he's not the freedom fighter he claims to be. He's probably the biggest and most important figure in radio post 75 or so, I'd never deny that, but there was a lot of people who fought Stern's wars for him too. Lets not forget, this hooknosed douche was proudly taunting O&A that "he knew where the line was". Hardly a revolutionary. I wouldn't blame him for not risking his big bucks, but don't try to play it off like you are a rebel because you are suit in a wig and a teenagers clothes. What a ridiculous figure he is.

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[cheezeemee]

No disrespect to this board or the R&F show but I would rather listen to O&A and Stern.

And the winner of the Mr.Popularity contest is.....................

Stern still rules. Artie has brought fresh blood to that show. I miss Gary hosting best of. Thats the only thing I dislike about the show.

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[ADF]

The only difference between Stern and O&A is that Stern brings in more money. That's why he has a job and O&A don't. I find both to be amusing, but Ron and Fez is the only show I listen to religiously.

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The only difference between Stern and O&A is that Stern brings in more money. That's why he has a job and O&A don't. I find both to be amusing, but Ron and Fez is the only show I listen to religiously.

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This is kind of a moot point considering Stern has over more years in radio than O&A and put shock radio on the map. I doubt O&A would be any less effective had the situations been reversed. They're just as capable and creative.

BTW, I'd just like to point out NOW Howard is using his website as a vehicle for his show...O&A's been using the Internet via Foundry and other sites for YEARS. Who's ahead of thier time, now?

BTW his site sucks and the messageboard is always down.

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What made O n A great was that they really made the listener feel like they were just habging out. Even with being sindicated accross the country, it always felt like we were part of the show.

With Stern however, it feels like its Stern and a handful of people talking while the audience listens in.

And lets not forget that Stern simply hasn't been funny, or even the least bit entertaining for years. I'll always remember the day Tyson flipped out at the press conference ("I'ma fuck you till you love me, faggot!") and Ant ran with it for like an hour. Nest day I turn on the radio for the last 1/2 hr or so of Stern, and I hear the same bit almost word for word. What a fucking HACK.

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[schmega]

stern himself hasnt been funny since his cbs show. but artie's terrific. i cant even listen to ac/dc anymore w/o chuckling. there was also that period after jacky left where there was a revolving chair of comedians that the show was still pretty good. aj benza bitchslapping john was great too.

but none of that comes close to a single o&a show. its not even as good as a solid r&f show.

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[Johnny4]

Opie is a talentless top 40 DJ who took a chance, hired Anthony, then decided to do a Stern type show in the afternoons when they got to NY. They both were Stern fans and Anthony and his brother were SUPER fans. They did not do that type of show in Boston. They did it in NY to grab some of Stern's Audience. All of this is an undisputable fact. Somehow, they decided Stern is a hypocrite because he muzzled them. Opie would have been doing overnights in Rochester and Anthony would be still fixing vents if it wasn't for Stern and the avenues he opened in radio. How many people have imitated Letterman to the point where most forget how innovative he is? Leno's whole lame show is Letterman lite. Take a look at CBS. How much money would the people at CSI make if CBS didn't copycat their own show with 4 other shows? Stern had a right to protect his intellectual property and his rep. They were literally doing his old bits, then bashing him. He made the company what it had become, then these 2 turds were gonna dump on him? I would have done the same thing. For the record he was wrong on R&F , it is better than Stern or A-holes, because it is different.

For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name

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[SatCam]

O&A had their moments and everyone has their own feel for the perfect radio show.

I don't know if it was the atmosphere or just the time at which they were on but I could never stand O&A. Occasionally I'd be in my room on a summer afternoon and be able to listen but I never could become a consistant listener.

Stern is the undisputed champ of being a fucking cock who doesn't care about anything but money. If making people pissed gets money, so be it. If making people happy gets money, great... Stern can do it.

I understand that money keeps the radio on. R&F will mention "AOL For Broadband" millions of times in a show to keep the station on the air and I'm not denying the fact that there's advertising on the ron and fez show. I think genuinely I listen to only R&F because they honestly give a shit about what they're talking about. They can have fun with listeners and they're based around REAL PEOPLE. (On the contrary, Stern can take up 15 minutes of R&F Fastest Hour time to talk to Courtney Love, fucker.)

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[Justice4all]

1) Commenting on how an individual who had his company force the duo to stop even saying his name, has started this FCC/Free Speech issue make s sense since they were the show that was most effected by it.

2) Keep their names out there...correct. Everyone does it, so why shouldn't they? Did it work? Yes. supposedly Stern was talking about them this morning. Exactly what they were hoping for.




My point exactly. I have always said that Stern was more pissed that he had not thought of half the shit O & A did so he tried to censor them so he could have the new up and coming show. For Stern to be bitching about the FCC and censorship when he pulled the same crap to O & A on a slightly lesser degree is laffable. Karma is a bitch and now Stern is feeling the same heat he tried to put on O & A.


This is kind of a moot point considering Stern has over more years in radio than O&A and put shock radio on the map. I doubt O&A would be any less effective had the situations been reversed. They're just as capable and creative.

BTW, I'd just like to point out NOW Howard is using his website as a vehicle for his show...O&A's been using the Internet via Foundry and other sites for YEARS. Who's ahead of thier time, now?

Amen Jeff. both great points.


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[schmega]

Stern had a right to protect his intellectual property and his rep.

did you bother to save some kool-aid for the others? NOTHING, NOTHING ever done on a radio show should be considered 'intellectual property'.

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[fezident]

I'd just like to point out NOW Howard is using his website as a vehicle for his show...O&A's been using the Internet via Foundry and other sites for YEARS. Who's ahead of thier time, now?


This is an interesting thread because O&A and Stern were never in direct competition in any way, shape, or form. They werent even on the same time slot.
Having said that:
What does the internet have to do with being ahead of the times?? Howard had a TV show for years and years and years (especially if you include his old Channel 9 show). And the two Biographies. And the Biopic movie. And the PayPerView. And ButtBongo. And US Open Sores. He really didnt need yet another outlet.

He has ALWAYS stated that he would never have a website until he had something more to say...and now wiith his legal troubles, he does have more to say and his website was born.

I used to like the O&A show and I outgrew it. I was a HUGE fan for a long time and even though I stopped enjoying it, I was sad to hear it was cancelled.
I also outgrew the Stern show. It stopped being "real" years ago but when it does go off the air, there ABSOLUTELY WILL BE VOID. It will be an event. People WILL talk and lots of fairweather fans WILL come out of the woodwork.

O&A "beat him" to the internet. So what? Howard didn't even know it was supposed to be a race.

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[schmega]

stern knew about the internet long before o&a came to ny. just look at the first chapter of his 2nd book. stern never bothered with the internet because chiasano's cheap, and stern doesnt wanna interact with his fans. thats what it boils down to.

stern doesnt take as many calls as o&a(or r&f) did, and the ones that he did take, half the time he was rude to. all that instant feedback, stinkycam, foundry clips, is about giving the fans more. stern either didnt care that much, or was tired of it.

either way, he's a fag for doing it now, and talking about his stupid message board like its something special.

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[Johnny4]

The one thing that gets bothers me about Oand A fans, and I was one at some point is that they are just as hypocritical as Stern. They goof on Stern for saying he is being ripped off and then turn around and call him an ass for ripping off O and A. Usually the guy who was there first is getting ripped off. I guess the point that O and A weren't even doing talk before NEW, is lost. They went after Stern audience. I hate to disagree Jeff, they couldn't have done what he did. Give the guy some credit. They can't even get back on commercial radio.

For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name

[okterrificsk]

Hey Johnny4 and people like you . Why are you so interested/obsessed with a show you claim to have such hatred for? when i dont like something i dont go on and on about it, i just dont listen to it.


TextThey did not do that type of show in Boston. All of this is an undisputable fact.

Just b/c one says something is a fact does not make it a fact. Listen to a OnA boston show(available on the net) they did about the same type of show except they played music as well.


TextSomehow, they decided Stern is a hypocrite because he muzzled them

ummm, what do you think a hypocrite is? B/c that move was a very hypocritical move indeed.


TextThey were literally doing his old bits, then bashing him.



ok so you say they were stealing old bits of Sterns. So i guess you listened to OnA a lot then thats how you know this, o wait you hate OnA so u must have heard this from Stern. whatever the case give me a list of all the bits OnA stole from Stern and by what people like you say it must be one huge list. i mean really give a list, and not some b.s like" they both had a bit with homeless people " i mean a real list.
and OnA bashing Stern is a near myth.

i started listening to OnA in summer of 99 and they never said anything bad about him for the most part until Stern started bashing them and then gagged them. occasionaly i even remember a compliment . about 2 or 3 times a week a crank caller would call in and bash them and call them "clones"(wonder where they got that term?) and that Stern is better, that kind of stuff. OnA usually just ignored it and sometimes they said they respected what Stern did in the business and so on, no bashing until for whatever reason Stern started bashing them.

Im not a blind follower of OnA like so many are of Stern . I didnt agree with everything OnA said/did like so many of you Stern followers do . So what im saying is why the blind following and defending of stern and the bashing of people he happens to bash?
u should think for yourself make up your own opinions and stop lieing about other shows that for some reason you and people like you are obssesed w hating. I dont listen to Stern i think his show is boring and repeats a lot but i dont hate him, i just move on to stuff i like. But listen i know your mind is made up so whatever .Im just curious to see your reply. Even though im pretty sure i know what your going to say.

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[curtoid]

The only difference between Stern and O&A is that Stern brings in more money. That's why he has a job and O&A don't. I find both to be amusing, but Ron and Fez is the only show I listen to religiously.

I love Howard. Maybe it's the connection to when he was on DC-101 back in 1981 - everyone loves familiarity.

Yeah, he's changed over the years, especially in the last 5-10, but so have I. As long as I can get a good, honest laugh from listening at any given moment, I am happy. I do think his show has seen better times, but I also think it's seen worse - I love the politically motivated Stern, but maybe that's because his politics are lining up with mine right now. I'm sure I'd hate it if it was an uber Bush supporter, but hey - I still listened when he fawned over Politicians I didn't care for.

I don't listen religiously like I once did - my morning drive hasn't been much - and I found I didn't miss him during best of's like I did, for example, Ron and Fez, who is a *must listen* every night.



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[curtoid]

BTW, I'd just like to point out NOW Howard is using his website as a vehicle for his show...O&A's been using the Internet via Foundry and other sites for YEARS. Who's ahead of thier time, now?

BTW his site sucks and the messageboard is always down.

Stern never felt motivated to do a site. With the current political state, however, he found his motivation and some people stepped up and hammered it all out it pretty quickly.

I kind of like the clean design of the site, and that they have (so far) avoided the tacky ads to help support it. And I've only had problems once, about 2 weeks ago, getting on the message board - and I have dial up at home. The fact that there are almost 100,000 people registered, with about 1000 - 2000 posting or visiting at any one time is pretty incredible.

For what it is, it's a pretty cool board, in my opinion. A lot of the regulars and semi-regulars from the show have posted. Even Howard and Artie have been on there, but the real kick is when you have been getting into discussions with Daniel Carver about Hitler, or that tool Chaunce Hayden egging people on to throw some more hate on. I'm sure it will get old, but it's pretty fun...and funny.



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[okterrificsk]

----Even though im pretty sure i know what your going to say.--------


hey Johnny 4 ,i knew you wouldnt have the guts to repond to my post, you either got caught being a liar and propaganda spreader. Or perhaps even worse a fool who believes whatever their told to believe.

listen to their ny post audio interview , maybe that will help clear your head of all the propaganda.
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[TheMojoPin]

Or perhaps even worse a fool who believes whatever their told to believe.

Why is "belieiving" O&A any less foolish than believing Stern?

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[Johnny4]

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. Didn't realize the Oand A, Stern discussion was of such critical importance. OKT, you have to show me the part where I said I never listened to O and A or was never a fan of theirs. Listened for about 2 or 3 years, until a few months before their dismissal. Sometime after their signing of the new contract, they either ran out of material, or choked from the pressure. That's when I realized how good Ron and Fez were. They were doing 8 hours of new stuff per day and were still funny. Listen, I don't exactly have Stern statues in my house either. I could care less when he has various annoying broads on just to get some ratings for his horrible E show. But to say O and A don't owe what they did for a living to Stern's career is ignorance or stupidity, take your pick.

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This message was edited by Johnny4 on 8-2-04 @ 7:23 AM

[okterrificsk]

good point mojo, and you wouldnt be any less foolish. BUT if you read my previous post where i first repond to johnny 4 's flamethrowing i clearly say i dont agree with or liked evererything ona did.
my exact words.;




Im not a blind follower of OnA like so many are of Stern . I didnt agree with everything OnA said/did like so many of you Stern followers do . So what im saying is why the blind following and defending of stern and the bashing of people he happens to bash?


In conlusion i dont just "believe" what someone says and take it as gospel i figure out whats truth and whats b.s and if i have to i do some research on the matter i do so.

[douchebagsean]

All i know is if it werent for o&a id never had listened to ron and fez. i remember all the times they would have ron and fez on their show and i started listening...by the way when was the last time howard ever stuck his neck out for someone else and helped their show the way o&a did for ron and fez?

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[okterrificsk]

johnny 4, first of all yes i agree that Stern opened a huge door up for radio guys like OnA. OnA have said as much live on air before. But he wasnt the first to do this "brand" of radio.guy talk /shock jock stuff. He wasnt even the first guy to have lesbians in studio . But he certainly did it real good and was the first to hit huge with it. But again there were shows similar to Sterns before Stern. Thats why its so funny when he claims everyone (including OnA, RnF, DnM, and everyone else that speaks into a mic for a living) stole his act. its realy silly that people buy that.

Secondly, johnie4. In your previous posts you threw out a bunch of "facts" and i asked you to prove them. Thus far you have not. I wonder why? Most notably i asked for a list of bits OnA ripped off from Stern. im waiting.

Lastly , i think you missed my point, or i didnt make it as well as i should have. My point was why hate and rag on OnA to the point of obsession?

This message was edited by okterrificsk on 8-4-04 @ 3:25 AM

[FMJeff]

The one thing that gets bothers me about Oand A fans, and I was one at some point is that they are just as hypocritical as Stern. They goof on Stern for saying he is being ripped off and then turn around and call him an ass for ripping off O and A. Usually the guy who was there first is getting ripped off. I guess the point that O and A weren't even doing talk before NEW, is lost. They went after Stern audience. I hate to disagree Jeff, they couldn't have done what he did. Give the guy some credit. They can't even get back on commercial radio.

For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name

Give me a break dude. You don't have a clue. They're CHOOSING satellite radio...it has nothing to do with an inability to return to network radio. Sure, they could always go back to network...but in this political climate where exhorbitant FCC fines and Janet Jackson has thrown broadcasting companies into a censorship frenzy, why the hell would they? Satellite radio gives them the freedom to do the show they've always wanted to do without having to worry about getting fired or fined for "obscenity". Make no mistake, they could get on commercial network air in a heartbeat if they wanted to...they're a lucrative team and companies know that...but the environment is just not compatible with the type of show they do.

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[FMJeff]

O&A "beat him" to the internet. So what? Howard didn't even know it was supposed to be a race.

Fez 4 Prez!!

That's exactely my point. Howard never realized how effective the Internet would be as a marketing medium for his show. O&A had the foresight. Had the situations been reversed, they would've done thier equivalent of the Channel 9 Show, Butt Bongo Fiesta, PPV specials etc etc.

It doesn't take a genius to use popular mediums to market your show. Why must you attribute this to his genius? ANY savvy shock jock would take advantage of television, movies, and PPV if they were available to him. O&A certainly would.

That being said, the Internet was available to him for YEARS. He did nothing until he started getting fined. Don't give me BS about Tom being cheap. He has millions of dollars. If he wanted that thing built, he had MUCHO RESOURCES to get it done. Hell, I did Foundry for free in my spare time. This wasn't a 9/11 thing. This wasn't an FCC thing. This was him realizing "hey...i can actually use this site to reach out to my fans." If the website was supposed to be his pundit to wax about the FCC and Bush, why does it have a messageboard and other show related stuff? Why? Because now he's using it to reach out to his fans.

Sorry, too little, too late. We got there first. At least give O&A some credit for that.

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[curtoid]

1 - Stern isn't in competition with O&A.

2 - Making a choice not to invest the time into doing something is a lot different than not having the vision to do it.

3 - G. Gordon Liddy had a website before either of them. So did lots of other radio people. It was not inventing the wheel.

4 - O&A are unique in that they utilized their fans in a way no other show really had.

5 - Stern has had almost 100,000 people register to his site in less than a month; from the moment they turned the key, it has become the dominant radio message board forum out there.



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[fezident]

All respect to you Jeff but, PLEASE....give it a break.
OnA did not "get there first". I say it again: HOWARD WASNT RACING! He simply didnt feel the need to use the internet at that time. The point has been made that he could've created an internet presence if he wanted one and he CHOSE not to. It's just not his thing. He had soooo many other outlets he just didnt need to create ANOTHER portal.
OnA used the internet because THEY NEEDED ALL THE ATTENTION AND PUBLICITY THEY COULD GET. It served them well. They got really popular in a short period of time. WOW (wednesdays) was very successful. Sticker stops were effective. Softball games were popular etc etc.... I give them all the credit they do, in fact, deserve. But the race to the internet thing.....come on!

Howard was turning down internet opportunities back when OnA were the lowest rated show on WNEW and he was turning down opportunities when they were riding high.

No offense to you and all your (amazing) hard work.

Fez 4 Prez!!

[FMJeff]

None taken. I just think its a little too convenient now with the return of O&A that he's pushing his site more and more....

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[A.J.]

I just think its a little too convenient now with the return of O&A that he's pushing his site


Sounds like he's mostly using it to host anti-Bush propaganda.

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[Furtherman]

Well timed article....

Satellite radio captures ears of millions (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/30/satellite.radio/index.html)

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[okterrificsk]

Hey i thought Al Gore beat both OnA and Stern to the internet. but hey whatever.


......Xm radio is 100x better then regular radio, i live in the NY area and radio is dead,music and talk that is. i have xm and i hope thats where OnA are going. And i hope RnF get there as well .heres hoping.
I dont know how well xm is doing financially but with or without OnA this is gonna be huge.

[Contra]

Wow reading this thread has got me busting with statements!

Ok the internet thing...

I think both sides are right on this one. Stern really didn't need a website to encourage listening to his show, or to express or push other things. Sure it would have been cool for the fans, but when it comes down to it, the idea just wasn't nessesary. His fan base was already dominent and loyal without it.

O&A however did utilze the net. Now there is a big difference between INVENTION and INNOVATION. O&A didn't INVENT using a website for a radio show, however they did add INNOVATION to the idea, and great innovation at that.

This same concept applies to the material on the show. Sure, Stern started all the naked women and vulger content, taking on different topics than all other talk radio at the time, and all that good stuff. However, O&A took the broad idea of the content of Stern's show, and innovated those things into freasher, and yes, even original material. All the while Stern's show just became bland and stale. Then with all the political talk, platforming, and bitching, sometimes he sounds TERRIFYINGLY similar to some other talk radio host. What's the experssion, becoming the thing you hate the most?

Without innovation nothing improves. Tissue paper wouldn't be softer, video games wouldn't be cooler, and a whole other list of creature comforts wouldn't exsist.

As far as the atmosphere of either show, I agree that Stern keeps his audience at a distance. O&A did, and R&F do make you feel like you are part of the insanity, in a way that I feel Stern never did, or will. When I listen to O&A or R&F I feel like I am right in the studio with them. This is highly due to the message boards, the huge amounts of callers let on the air, and an all around feeling in the way they tool the show and discuss topics.

Well that's my two cents

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This message was edited by Contra on 8-4-04 @ 4:02 PM

[fezident]

Excellent post, Contra. I heartily agree.

The only thing I wanna address is when Stern calls all other shows a "clone" of his. I think he isn't necessarily talking aboot the other shows stealing his MATERIAL as much as his style.
Before Stern, every show was somewhat scripted and rigidly timed. You all know what I mean: Station ID's, weather, traffic, "sweeping the quater hour", news, a few songs each hour and then...JUST MAYBE, there would be a few mins of humor. Or a wacky character.
When Stern started saying into a live microphone "Oh great...I gotta do this stupid live commercial" or "is it time to take a commercial break" or"I dont wanna be here today" or "HOLY CRAP LOOK AT THE CANS ON HER!" that was groundbreaking. Nobody was ever that REAL on a mic before. THAT was his appeal. Now it's commonplace.
I think everytime there is a new, organic, flowing, UNSCRIPTED show it is a Stern clone. Maybe not the content, but definitely the vibe.
Then when a show comes along that riffs on sex, chicks, oragasms, "doody", wacky pop culture stuff, etc etc...it only adds to the clone factor.

OnA didnt steal Sterns whole act. But they definitely work in the arena that Stern built.

Fez 4 Prez!!

This message was edited by fezident on 8-4-04 @ 5:16 PM

[Contra]

I agree that they work in the arena that stern built. However the bits and guest will come it due time. O&A are in the verge of something great.!!!! All they need to do is face up to a TRUE radio show and DELIVER!!! If THEY ARE ON SAT radio I will buy and follow!!! The boys just happen to mean that much, and yes, I am pathedic!!!!!!!!


FUCK YOU ALL, YOUR MOM'S BOX!!!

Edit: Wow how drunk was I last night? In one post it's "I love you all", and then here it's "FUCK YOU ALL"! Well I guess it's a "love/hate" relationship here on the board.

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This message was edited by Contra on 8-5-04 @ 1:41 PM