Would you send your son to war?

[silera]

My son is nine years old. He wants to be a spy and I've pretty much gone through with him that he would most likely have to join the army and work his way up through the ranks in order to get there.

We've talked about the draft, because he watches the news with me and didn't understand what it meant. I told him that because he was a male American citizen, when he turns eighteen he'll have to notify the government that he is available if necessary to be in the army.

I guess because he's young, he has no problem with it. His brother asked "What happens if you die?" and my son's response was, "They remember you on memorial day." I want to think that his interest is based solely on a little boy's fantasy of being a hero, but when I ask him why, he says it's because he wants to help people.

I just think to myself, I would be extremely proud if he did get to live out his dream and be a soldier. However, if there was a draft, he'd most likely want to go, and his brother wouldn't.

With the election focusing a lot on Bush and Kerry's war record, I don't know that I fault Bush for avoiding the conflict, even though I respect Kerry volunteering. I just know that as a parent, I'd do everything in my power to keep my sons from putting themselves in harms way against their wishes.

If 9 years from now, we're still working through the events of the last three, and the draft is in place, would you send your son off to war? Personally, I think I'd allow mine to decide whether or not they wanted to go, and then assist them either way. In a heartbeat I'd send them to another country to live. I guess I feel guilty about it because part of being an American is service for your country, but being a Mom means keeping your kids from harms way.



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No way. I couldn't bear it. Heck, I'm not even gonna let my kids out of the basement! Fuck school! And if they keep talkin' back, I won't let them out of the womb I swear!!

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Yes I would. It would be hard, but I would. I would also try to get myself to go.(If possible)

If the country called on me to go to war, I would most certainly go.

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If you like it or not, they're going to join anway. So you might well support their decision. I would probably cry like a little bitch if my daughter joined. But I would be extremely proud of her.

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[A.J.]

He wants to be a spy and I've pretty much gone through with him that he would most likely have to join the army and work his way up through the ranks in order to get there.

Or he could be Naval Intelligence Officer -- either full-time Active Duty or part-time Reserves.

In a heartbeat I'd send them to another country to live. I guess I feel guilty about it because part of being an American is service for your country, but being a Mom means keeping your kids from harms way.


It's funny that you say that because I can remember during the Gulf War there was also some talk about whether the draft would come back. My Mom said that she would move me to Canada than see me be drafted. Sure, she was probably thinking back to her younger days when protested the Vietnam War when there was a draft, but now she was also a mom who wanted to protect her child.

To answer your question, "yes."

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silera - your articles for foundrymusic are insane - I found them for the first time the other night and was totally fucking horny after reading them. keep up the good work..

ok, with the creepy comment out of the way, I'll answer the question - i'll prepare them the best I can, when they turn 18, they can make the calls and I'll just have to support it.

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[Furtherman]

You are not sending your son to war. When he is 18 either he will or the government will.

I would support my son's decision as a man at 18. If our country was threatened or he was on the hunt for terrorists, I would be proud to see him go and hope for the best.

If he wanted to go to a bullshit war like Iraq, then I would have reservations. I would still support him, but I would do my best to talk him out of it.

If he was drafted, I wouldn't suggest moving to Canada, because that would just make life harder for him. Again I would hope for the best.

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[JPMNICK]

I would like to say Yes, but since I am not a parent, i do not think I could make that call.
My Mom always told me I was never allowed to join the armed forces. She also said she would never want to see me drafted.
I do not think this is something that you could put yourself in the situation for. I have no idea what it feels like to have a kid, so though I would like to say Yes, i really have no idea

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[LiquidCourage]

When you're getting closer and closer to getting sent to war, it starts to become less of a big deal to you. At first I was like, "I don't want to go to Iraq!" Now it's almost guaranteed I'm going to Iraq, and it's just like, "Oh well, gotta pay your dues." I'm not too worried about getting shot up or anything, I'm mostly just worried about being miserable from boredom and 125 degree heat. It's a lot easier when it's you going, but if I had a kid it would probably be much more difficult for me to deal with them being sent to war, and me being powerless to do anything about it.

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[Yerdaddy]

Bottom line is: by the time it's an issue, the kid's an adult. It's their decision. Watching Fereignheit 9-11 I was saying to the Congressmen that Moore was asking to send their kids to Iraq "Just say it's not up to you to send your childred anywhere." Some of them probably said that, but those comments were destined for the cutting room floor.

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[JohnnyCash]

If it was my choice, theres no way I would send my son to war. I dont have any kids yet but I know that when I do my number one priority is to care for and protect them. Sending them off to a two way fireing range is no way to protect them.

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[Justice4all]

You know Silera this is kind of funny, you posting this topic. My girlfriend's son just joined the navy. He went through boot camp with no problems. This kid (he is 19) wants to be a Navy Seal. I personally think he could pull it off to. She beams when she talks about him (I think it cute when she does) and she could not be prouder of her son.
And as far as Kerry serving in Vietnam, I have had arguments about that with my parents, who I am sad to say, are voting for Bush. Money votes for money. They said that Kerry was born into money so that makes him the same as Bush. I said "So was Bush, but you did not see Kerry avoid the draft by taking the easy way out. He not only went to Vietnam BY CHOICE but her received 3, COUNT THEM...THREE purple hearts. Which means he got wounded twice and STILL went back for more a third time. And he was born into money. Just showed me he has courage." They pretty much could not say anything after that.

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In high school this year, the army came and told us to take a test. It was an aptitude test that determined how smart you were and in what areas. They told us we didn't HAVE to take the test, but, seeing that all of the students didn't really care either way, we all sat there and took it. We figured that if they SAID it didn't mean we were going to be put into a war, then we had nothing to worry about. A few months later, I got calls from a bunch of people (marines, army, navy), all asking how I was doing and what college I was going to, etc. etc.

Anyway, the calls have stopped, and it seems over with. I've read some stuff about the Bush administration trying to quietly pass a new bill in order to reinstate the draft. And it would include both men AND women, with Canada no longer being a refuge for draft dodgers and college students also being forced to join as well.

It wouldn't be my decision for my kid to go into the army. It would be their own. I don't know if that's how I would react if they did decide to go, but I guess I'd have to support their decision. Just as long as it's theirs, and they aren't being forced into it.

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I've read some stuff about the Bush administration trying to quietly pass a new bill in order to reinstate the draft.


Do you have any links to that...I doubt if it would be quiet since it requires Congress to pass any such bill!!


Getting back to the original question..I have a 25 year son...if he dicides to join the military..so be it..
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[LordJezo]

I've read some stuff about the Bush administration trying to quietly pass a new bill in order to reinstate the draft.


Do you have any links to that...I doubt if it would be quiet since it requires Congress to pass any such bill!!





Actually the democrats are the only ones trying to get the draft going. What's his face black guy idiot from NY keeps putting it up every year but he gets defeated.

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[Melrapuo]

Do you have any links to that...I doubt if it would be quiet since it requires Congress to pass any such bill!!

I do remember reading it on the internet, but it was during the winter or the spring. I think I got the link off of this message board, but I can't remember what thread.

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No. Plain and simply.

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[Tall_James]

I wouldn't even send my son to "Battle of the Network Stars".

I wouldn't want him to go but I trust that when he reaches that point in his life where he has to make his own decisions that I have taught him enough for him to choose wisely.


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Yes.

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[BoondockSaint]

The Democrats are pushing to reinstate the draft. (http://www.thehill.com/news/072904/military.aspx)

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I'm reinstating the pushing of Democrats.

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[Leadbottom]

Bring back the draft NOW! Send the left wing spoiled brats on this board to the military, it will make them into men! I did 8 years in the Army. Serve and grow up!

[reeshy]

Bring back the draft NOW! Send the left wing spoiled brats on this board to the military, it will make them into men! I did 8 years in the Army. Serve and grow up!


In 1969..I got my draft notice...I joined the Coast Guard to avoid service in Viet Nam.....18 months later ...I was in VN..just a thought!!

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[silera]

Bring back the draft NOW! Send the left wing spoiled brats on this board to the military, it will make them into men! I did 8 years in the Army. Serve and grow up!



My question wasn't a partisan question. I have two sons, and one seems very willing to join the military, and the other doesn't. As a parent, I don't want either of them in harm's way.

Life and death aren't a partisan issue. As a mother of two hispanic males, in an inner city neighborhood with shithole schools, I know that their options are limited. Maybe my fear also stems from the fact, that they might consider the military not out of choice, but necessity.

It's not a race card, it's more of an economic card btw because I don't think racism is the problem as much as economic resources.




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your link says....



The Democrats are pushing to reinstate the draft.


the linked article says...



Democratic lawmakers were divided yesterday over whether the United States should reinstate the draft


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Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, a former presidential hopeful who has now endorsed Kerry, warned that the volunteer-force concept is at "grave risk" and that the draft should be the last resort.


um...... I'm not seeing it.

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[FMJeff]

I don't think you "send" your son to war...isnt that his choice?

If you mean would I support my son's decision to join the armed forces...depends on the president and the political forces of the time...if you asked me today for this war, I'd say no...i wouldn't support it....



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[silera]

I would support my son if he chose to join the army, that's not really an issue. If he were drafted and didn't want to go, I'd help him avoid it. That's where the guilt comes in.



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Yes, I would.

Hell, I'd send my daughters too if it came to that.

And if I wasn't too old or infirm, I'd sign off with them.

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[high fly]

I would support my son if he chose to join the army, that's not really an issue. If he were drafted and didn't want to go, I'd help him avoid it. That's where the guilt comes in.

Between now and when he's old enough to decide, of course he'll change his thinking a number of times.
Go ahead and be supportive, like you said.
If it's some colossal blunder like this thing in Iraq, don't sweat the guilt.
Silera, your judgement is superb and it'll all work out just fine.





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[UnknownPD]

First off let me say I served six years in the Air Force and managed to avoid any major conflict. (Flight Medic on a C-130)

This may be long so if you bore easily stop now.

In spite of my service I am a strong supporter of reinstating the draft for both men and women. Make it like 18-24 months of mandatory service with exemption only for medical reasons. Kinda of like WWII.

I say this because what is happening now is that we are creating a military force of the poor and minority kids who see the service as a way to get to College. While overweight white kids from the suburbs rarely serve. It is not fair to ask the people who have not shared equally in the American Dream to protect us. We are creating an underclass of warriors serving their masters. (If you disagree tell me 10 CEO's of large Corporations or Senators that have kids with military service)

Two years is plenty of time to grow up and learn responsibility that society once taught, but has abdicated to TV.

For those of you opposed to the "Military" there are many conscientious objector positions to be filled that do not involve fighting, but are equally tough and require the same level of service. (During WWII CO's became Smoke Jumpers in the Pacific Northwest)

We need to change our world so that Americans understand that war is not a video game or something that happens to someone else on CNN.

[TheMojoPin]

We've never had an extended mandatory peacetime draft in our nation's history.

While overweight white kids from the suburbs rarely serve.

That's the worst idea ever. Hell, I'LL sign up, just because I think I could protect my own ass a helluva lot better than some fat kid. KEEP THE FATTIES OUT OF THE MILITARY.

Besides, a volunteer army (Except in times of extreme need, ie - a friggin' World War or battle between the states themselves) has been one of the key hallmarks of our democratic republic since its creation. Tossing that away would be a HUGE thing, and would never happen in a million years.

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KEEP THE FATTIES OUT OF THE MILITARY.

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[LiquidCourage]

"As a mother of two hispanic males, in an inner city neighborhood with shithole schools, I know that their options are limited. Maybe my fear also stems from the fact, that they might consider the military not out of choice, but necessity."

I know so many people in the military who have that life story, and joining up is the best decision they ever made. It's not the end of the world. Being a Sergeant in the Marine Corps is more than most of the guys back on the block can say they ever did.

[Yerdaddy]

Being a Sergeant in the Marine Corps is more than most of the guys back on the block can say they ever did.

Not Jenny.

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Would you send your son to war?



No.



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damm right i would. if my ass can be stuck in afghanistan, his ass aint getting out of it. i will also break a beer bottle over his head by the time he turns 19. if somebody dont before then. i want him to experience everything his old man went through, damm it!

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[CruelCircus]

I know you mentioned economics and crappy schools, but putting that aside, law school and joining the FBI or CIA is another road to spy-dom.


And let's not get all orgasmic about Kerry volunteering for the service. The unit he originally signed up with wasn't supposed to be heading over to Vietnam at all, so it's not like he jumped up and said, "Send me right to the front lines, sir!"


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[Yerdaddy]

The swiftboats weren't supposed to be dangerous duty when he signed up for them, but it was in Vietnam.

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[LiquidCourage]

Who cares?
At least he joined a REAL branch, as opposed to ole G.W. Herman.

[TheMojoPin]

I'll never forgive John Kerry.

He stole my uncle's surfboard in Vietnam.

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[Doomstone]

The unit he originally signed up with wasn't supposed to be heading over to Vietnam at all, so it's not like he jumped up and said, "Send me right to the front lines, sir!"


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I'd like to see someone try and wiggle out of that.

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i would feel if they 'had' to go then i wouldn't try to stop it and hope for the best... if they wanted to volunteer then i would try to sway them 'not to go'...

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if i had a son or daughter wanting to enlist, i would support them fully.as long as i support this nation, i will live in it; otherwise i would move.

therefore, i support them for defending our ideals.

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[CruelCircus]

I'll never forgive John Kerry.
He stole my uncle's surfboard in Vietnam.

Beach Party Vietnam!
Surfing with the Viet-Cong!!

I'd like to see someone try and wiggle out of that.

There's nothing to wriggle out of.
That's not Kerry's original enlistment. It clearly states he's served for seven months. Or wasn't the English clear to you, wiseass?

And, I'm not sure what Bush's record has anything to do with the Kerry comment I was responding to, or were you just trying to deflect the debate?


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[LordJezo]

your link says....



The Democrats are pushing to reinstate the draft.


the linked article says...



Democratic lawmakers were divided yesterday over whether the United States should reinstate the draft


and



Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, a former presidential hopeful who has now endorsed Kerry, warned that the volunteer-force concept is at "grave risk" and that the draft should be the last resort.


um...... I'm not seeing it.

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Charlie Rangle, Mr. NY Democrat introduced the bill to get the draft reinstated.

Therefore my statement saying The Democrats are pushing to reinstate the draft is pretty much true. But hey, just because the Democrats are trying to get the bill passed is no reason not to blame Bush.

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