Republican National Convention

[sr71blackbird]

I take the train to work, and I saw tonite at Jamaica Station must have had 50 armed to the teeth military guys with M16's walking around. I felt safe thinking they were there, but Im wondering, if something DID happen, what do you think would be the effect on how the Republicans will be perceived in NY afterward? What will be the effect on the election if something big happens? I keep thinking about the Madrid bombings and how that effected their election. Do you think that would happen here?

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[TheMojoPin]

I would just like to point out that this is the ONLY thread on the convention we'll be having in this forum. Post any questions or comments related to it here. Anything else will be locked.

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[LordJezo]

If a bio attack happens the plan is to ship everyone by train to Union, NJ to a decontamination setup near Kean College.

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And I am not pulling it out of my ass either. First responders in that area are freaked because they dont know how they are going to handle to train loads of people.

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[canofsoup15]

Can't wait for that to happen.


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[sr71blackbird]

Can't wait for that to happen.


Great! Just what we need! Not that saying that will make it happen or anything, but its scarey to me to contemplate how Id get home if that happened...

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[TheMojoPin]

Rich white guys say, "FUCK NEW YORK!!!" (http://dev.pushby.com/media/fucknewyork.mov)

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[sr71blackbird]

I personally think that if the city was hurt bad by an attack during it, it would ruin any chances of a Republican being elected here, which is probably what they are after and the reason why Im thinking it seems like just the kind of thing they'd do.

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[theseatbelts]

I'm just glad that the mayor thought up those cute little Statue of Liberty buttons. Those things are sure to charm any anarchist into being more peaceful.

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[DJEvelEd]

What the fuck is a machine gun gonna go against a truck bomb or an airplane? Oh yeah I forgot, that's what they're gonna point at US after the explosion. Oh yeah, then we'll get yelled at and pushed around after too. Maybe even assaulted by these camoflagued teens with dogtags.

I was in Jersey City Sunday and a soldier had his gun pointed down, directly towards a baby in a carriage. I hope the safety was on.

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those cute little Statue of Liberty buttons


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[DarkHippie]

If the terrorists were smart, the RNC in new york would be a perfect time to blow up LA or Chicago. It's a classic feint.

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[JPMNICK]

I think they are going to have everything in control. I guess you could never really stop every possible scenario, but I am sure they will be extra vigilant on the bridges and tunnels looking for truck and car bombs. Unless the explosive's are already in NYC, I think it is going to be very difficult to get them in.

On the other hand, what of they had a truck full of shit and they got stopped near the holland tunnel. what would stop them from blowing it as soon as it was found, killing those officers, people around it, and destroying the front of the tunnel. If any scenario plays out, I think it would be along these lines.

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[badorties]

it's such a joke that they're using NY as a backdrop for the convention ...

they're gonna wrap his legacy around NYC and he can't be bothered to spend the night here ...

But now it turns out that Bush may not spend a single night in the city that helped transform his presidency. At this point, the unofficial plan is for him to arrive in Manhattan Sept. 2, the final day of the four-day convention, deliver his acceptance speech, then leave for a midnight rally in Pennsylvania. (http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u_pg=1673&u_sid=1183553)

of course he won't win NY, and the need to woo Pennsylvania is more important, but try to act like we might mean something ...


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[Furtherman]

I'm not looking forward to walking around NYC next week. I work in Times Square and I recently saw a grafic that color coded places likely to have an attack. Were I sit is red. Blood red.

I do trust that the NYPD have things under control though.

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[LiquidCourage]

It's pretty scary the way NYC is sort of becoming over protected. I mean, people are acting like a terrorist act couldn't happen anywhere in the world BUT NYC and DC.

[theseatbelts]

it's such a joke that they're using NY as a backdrop for the convention ...


Terry Mcauliffe originally came to Mayor Bloomberg to ask to have the 2004 Democrat Convention in New York. The Mayor agreed, saying Republicans had already chosen NYC for their convention but it would mean great business opportunities for the struggling New York City economy if both parties agreed to let New York host. Mcauliffe refused and said the Dems would only choose New York if Bloomberg kicked out the Republicans. The Mayor, in maybe his only smart move ever, told him to go to hell. So the Dems were planning on doing the exact same thing, but threw a temper tantrum when they were told to share. I'll try and find the article this story came from.

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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, TSB is right. That was a pretty big news story when the conventions were first announced.

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[Teenweek]

It's pretty scary the way NYC is sort of becoming over protected. I mean, people are acting like a terrorist act couldn't happen anywhere in the world BUT NYC and DC.



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[monsterone]

Rich white guys say, "FUCK NEW YORK!!!" (http://dev.pushby.com/media/fucknewyork.mov)

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i love how anti-whatevers can say things like, "you think a bunch of crying firemen are gonna stop me??? fuck no!!!!"

i would love to take that pitching wedge to that fuckers teeth for even thinking he can say something like that, just to take bush down a peg.

and let's not forget about these "peaceful" cocksuckers:

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Theoretically this duo are giving a mock Nazi salute -- but any armchair psychologist can tell that they're getting a secret (or not-so-secret) thrill out of it. It's a small step for a child to move from toy guns to real guns; it's also a small step for a mass movement to graduate from "pretend" Nazi behavior to real Nazi behavior.

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[TheMojoPin]

MMMMMMMM, all class, baby...ALL CLASS.

At a certain point, it becomes painfully obvious these people just want attention on THEMSELVES, and couldn't give flying fuck about what they're supposedly trying to "say."

"What is it today? Environment? Tax cuts? War in Iraq? Ah, fuck it, BUSH IS A NAZI! I'M SOLVING EVERYTHING AT ONCE! BLAAAAAAAH!"

It's a small step for a child to move from toy guns to real guns; it's also a small step for a mass movement to graduate from "pretend" Nazi behavior to real Nazi behavior.

Wise man.

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[badorties]

there's a great article in today's daily news (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/225934p-193988c.html) about the anarchist groups planning to disrupt things a bit for the convention ...

now, i'm all for freedom of speech and assembly, but what i detest are irrational idealist who ingore the safety of others to get their niche points across ...

all the shit and fear that we have to deal with, if i see some spoiled little shit acting the ass while i'm trying to get lunch or just get around the city, i won't think twice about a good neckslap ...


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i hope if there's a vengeful enough of a god to violently rape and maim this twit's parents:


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[TheMojoPin]

there's a great article in today's daily news about the anarchist groups planning to disrupt things a bit for the convention ...

It's like what John Stewart said last night...

"Hey, protestors...it's great you guys want to come to town and have a little fun...but when you start thinking you need to smash things up, please remember...WE FUCKING HAVE TO LIVE HERE!"

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[monsterone]

it's the same retarded mentality that the militant anti-abortionists hold. i have to put a bullet in someone to stop what i disagree with - that will make everything alright.

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[badorties]

fucking unabashed pandering:

WASHINGTON - President Bush wants to watch the Republican convention from a New York City firehouse and "bond" with the city's Bravest, officials said yesterday.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is also scouting out firehouses so he can watch it with the heroes of 9/11.

"Both Bush and Schwarzenegger want to bond with city firefighters," said one city official who asked not to be named. (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/225960p-194099c.html)

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[Teenweek]

fucking unabashed pandering:

WASHINGTON - President Bush wants to watch the Republican convention from a New York City firehouse and "bond" with the city's Bravest, officials said yesterday.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is also scouting out firehouses so he can watch it with the heroes of 9/11.

"Both Bush and Schwarzenegger want to bond with city firefighters," said one city official who asked not to be named. (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/225960p-194099c.html)



Too bad they can't come to NY via swift boats. Seriously shut the fuck up.
Politics=pandering

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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, but come on, this is fuckin' ridiculous.

"Oh, don't mind me! I'm not going to be at my own convention with those other fat cats! I'm just like one of the guys, chortle-chortle!"

Just cancel the fucking convention in the first place if you're barely even going to show up. Sit your ass down with some firefighters when you have to actually go out of your way to do so. "Hey fellas, I just happened to be in the neighborhood, nudge-nudge, tussle-tussle!"

I hope he tops it off by landing in front of the fire station in a jet piloted by juggling dogs that was dropped from the space station and rode down on a sparkly rainbow road made of candy. Then he'd be the MOST awesomenest.

There's pandering, and then there's retardedly insulting pandering.

Man, look at me slamming it to Kerry in one thread, and violating Bush in another. I'm too good for both of these whores.

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[Teenweek]

Maybe this was pandering as well.

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But I guess this is not.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040728/040728_kerry_boston_vmed.v2.jpg

I agree it's pandering, but try to show some objectivity.

[TheMojoPin]

YOU show some objectivity. Who are YOU to tell me what I have to do? I hate these fuckers evenly, and I've made that abundantly clear.

Did I criticize Bush for rightly showing up at Ground Zero back in 2001? Nope. I have no clue what that second picture is of. Is it Kerry and some veterans? Is it Kerry and some firefighters? If it's the former, hey, guess what, he's a veteran. A veteran posing with some veterans is not, I'm sorry, as ridiculous as the standing president "getting away" from his own convention to watch TV with some firefighters.

Am I saying Bush can't meet with firefighters? Of course not. Am I saying politicians don't pander? Again, I explained how what Bush is doing is just a NEW LEVEL of pandering. I think this is ludicrous that we're supposed to accept this as something even remotely serious.

By contrast, I think Bush going into Iraq for Thanksgiving with the troops was a gutsy and classy thing to do. On the other hand, stuff like this and the carrier landing make him look like an idiot.

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[Teenweek]

The picture was Kerry going to Boston on a swift Boat. I agree with you. I think they both make me sick, but very few criticize Kerry for anything on this board.

[TheMojoPin]

Eh, I think there's a decent number here putting Kerry over the coals. You're right, there are far more Bush-bashers, but what can any of us do? Politics are broken up by the person...

Basically, I look at it like this...we all know politicians are gonna kiss babies. But when one tries to trump the other by running his own day care center for a day, I gotta shake my finger at him.

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This picture of MY president is not pandering at all....Remember , this was taken days after the atrack...he was trying to calm the nation down and rally us against the enemy...Yes...I said enemy....those moslem terrorists that attacked my city and country...those terroists that cost me family members and friends...he was simply doing his job the best way he knew....back off,....

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If he wasn't standing next to a black guy, I'd say he was giving the Nazi salute!

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[theseatbelts]

Well the big Anti-War/Bush rally has been going for about three hours now, and so far so good. Although I may personally find them annoying, the GOP knew what they were getting into when they agreed to hold their convention in the second bluest state in the Union. As long as it stays peaceful, then I'm fine with it.

What would be a problem would be if the protesters use some of the tactics anarchists were proposing like confusing bomb sniffing dogs and cutting power cords. If bullshit like that ends up distracting the police from keeping an eye out for terrorists it would be disastrous for New York, and the protesters political goals as well.

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[canofsoup15]

These protestors are ridiculous, it's pointless to do this. What are they trying to accomplish? They're just fucking things up for the people who live there. I'm watching it on C-Span right now and these people are pretty funny to watch, albeit there cause is stupid but oh well.

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[Dudeman]

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This picture of MY president is not pandering at all....Remember ,
this was taken days after the atrack...he was trying to calm the
nation down and rally us against the enemy...Yes...I said
enemy....those moslem terrorists that attacked my city and
country...those terroists that cost me family members and
friends...he was simply doing his job the best way he
knew....back off,....



this doesn't mean he has been right or deserves re-election.
first, okay he went to ground zero a few days after 9-11. what
leader wouldn't?

the real qeustion is how he then did his job to get the enemies.
did he really go after the right enemies? did he do things the
best way possible? on friday (buried in a print interview, instead
of in front of a camera) he said said that he made " a
miscalculation of what the conditions would be" in post- war
iraq. that means no re-election for two reasons. 1) he is an
incompetent war president; and 2) bs he just miscalculated it.
all the military leaders told him they were going to need more
help. but cheney, wolfowitz, and rumsfeld (and therefore by
default bush) wanted to stick to their greeting as liberators
fantasy. it wasn't just a miscalculation, it was stubbornness and
incompetence.


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[canofsoup15]

did he really go after the right enemies?


I don't know who you consider to be the "right" enemies, but if you mean Osama, then yes, he did.


did he do things the best way possible?


It's subjective as to what your opinion was concerning every scenario in which he could do the "best thing possible".


1) he is an incompetent war president;


I don't see how underestimating the resistance in a country of which we had little knowledge of makes him unfit for the presidency, but if you want to believe that. Go right ahead.


2) bs he just miscalculated it.


How do you know that he didn't miscalculate it? Do you honestly believe that we were absoluetly positive that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction yet still lied to the people. They even showed evidence that would lead any right minded individual to assume that weapons were being made there. How do you know he [Saddam] didn't pre-emptively destroy the weapons, or ship them to a neighbor?



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[Yerdaddy]

They even showed evidence that would lead any right minded individual to assume that weapons were being made there.
Powell's UN speech, right? The day after that speech reporters were in the Kurdish city, (in the no-fly zone and controlled by our Kurdish allies), where Powell claimed there was a terrorist training camp. The Kurdish residents were clueless as to what he was talking about. There was no camp. Powell claimed that aluminum tubes were for a nuclear program, but the US Dept. of Energy, the institution with the most experience in nuclear weapons, (they control ours), claimed that the tubes were very unlikely to have been for nuclear weapons, (also now proved to be true). Of the satellite photos that Powell claimed were of a facility where Saddam had reinstated his program to enrich uranium, UNMOVIC stated that they had recently visited the site and the containers of unprocessed uranium still had the unbroken seals that UNSCOM had sealed them with years earlier.

That's just off the top of my head, but the "evidence" that was presented always had holes in it that the administration deliberately downplayed, ignored, or continued to make false claims about long after they were proved to be untrue, (see Dick Cheney for the most egregious liar).

So, yes, they showed evidence that would lead any right-minded, inexperienced and/or uncritical person to believe that weapons were being made there. But it was clear to some of us at the time that the case being presented was full of lies and half-truths.

How do you know he [Saddam] didn't pre-emptively destroy the weapons, or ship them to a neighbor?
US monitors, at least three different teams of which have had full access to the country since the occupation, have reported no evidence that he did.

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[Teenweek]

Well considering CLinton, The UN, The CIA, Congress, France, Germany, John Kerry all believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, please tell me how Bush lied.

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Well considering CLinton, The UN, The CIA, Congress, France, Germany, John Kerry all believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, please tell me how Bush lied.
I didn't say Bush lied, I said the case being presented "the case being presented was full of lies and half-truths." I just explained how Powell lied, and how Cheney continued to make statements after they were established to be wrong by the intelligence community - lied. The administration also did what every administration does, protect the president. So he was able to put out half-truths, ("mushroom clouds," linking Saddam and al-Qaeda by implication, etc.), while others did his actual lying. But I've been through all this shit for two years now. So you can deal with what I've written or not. I don't care.

The others may or may have said Saddam had WMD, but none of them knew for sure. I've never seen a case where the UN inspectors stated that Saddam had WMD except in the context of what they had found and destroyed. Their reports said what they knew and didn't know based on their analysis.

The others, you'll have to be more specific. I know it's a common cliche to say "everybody said Saddam had WMD" but that's not saying much. I know why most Democrats went along with what the administration was saying about Saddam, and about authorizing the use of force. Because even the slightest trace of WMD in Iraq would have meant that the Bush administration could have claimed that Saddam had WMD and therefore the war would have justified. If anyone had claimed that he had no WMD, they would have been labeled pro-Saddam, and their political career would have ended. I think most democrats, and many republicans expected us to find small, maybe even insignificant amounts of WMD in Iraq. (That was my prediction from about a year before the war.) The administration would have spun that as a "grave and gathering threat," reminding us of how little BW it takes to kill "x" amount of people, and he could have retained enough support among his base, (he has anyway), and he could install Ahmed Chalabi as dictator of Iraq and he could claim victory, (he already did that once too).

So democrats made the only politcal calculation they could: get onboard the war train because it was leaving with or without them. They gambled and lost.

But the president gambled and lost as well. He didn't know Saddam had WMD. He assumed he did. And it didn't matter how much because even a little would be enough to satisfy a scared and angry and politically fractured public. So he spun it to be a sure thing. In fact Saddam was on the verge of obtaining a nuclear bomb, (the furthest from the truth of any of the cases made). They spun it so they could get a war that didn't make sense, and in a way that they controlled, and that they alone could take credit for. And they sincerely believed it would be easy.

So why do I point out the president's lies? Because it was his responsibility. He was the only one with full access to the US intelligence community. He was the one who proposed war with Iraq and undermined any other option, and said it had to be done. His administration said, for a fact, things that were either disputed or known to be wrong at the time. They phrased statements continuously during the leadup to war in ways that would put the impression in people's head that Saddam was going to give WMD to al-Qaeda, was involved in September 11, or was going to build a nuclear bomb and attack us with it.

Saying that Saddam had WMD was a political calculation on the part of the Democrats. If they had said otherwise and been wrong, they would have destroyed the political party and left Republicans to dominate United States politics for decades to come. I am angry with them for not saying "we don't know", but that would have likely virtually handed the presidency to the administration that was forcing this ill-advised war on us in the first place.

What it comes down to is this: I never felt threatened by Saddam Hussein, and I've been following Iraq for four yea

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Well considering CLinton, The UN, The CIA, Congress, France, Germany, John Kerry all believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, please tell me how Bush lied.



He and his advisors ignored reports that said otherwise, plus they presented discredited information as being authoritative.
They had already decided to invade Iraq before they had any reason to.
Then they found stuff to support their preconceived notions and ignored the rest.

This bit of intellectual dishonesty means that over 970 of the cream of our youth ain't gonna fuck again.




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How do you know that he didn't miscalculate it?

because there is resistance. no?

and he said he did miscalculate it, not me.... read the paper...


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http://www.technotouch.net/images9-01/PresBushFireman.jpg

This picture of MY president is not pandering at all....Remember , this was taken days after the atrack...he was trying to calm the nation down and rally us against the enemy...Yes...I said enemy....those moslem terrorists that attacked my city and country...those terroists that cost me family members and friends...he was simply doing his job the best way he knew....back off,....



Maybe not this one, because he did not pose for the picture.

Quite another story when the clothing designers and makeup artists and voice coaches and lighting directors and writers and producers and film directors all went to work on and with President Bush to make a campaign ad that showed New York firefighters taking a corpse out of the rubble in the background while George W's cheery mug is telling us to vote for him.

I don't think corpses of 9/11 victims should be props used to sell a presidential candidate.

And you, Reeshy?






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Yerdaddy for Yer President.

Enough said.



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And you, Reeshy?



And what, High Fly???....All I can say is that I remember the day that that video was broadcast live...I related to the firefighters and cops who had lost a hell of alot of people...I was down there that day working in the rubble at around 1:30pm!!! I relate on a visceral level...I haven't seen what you are referring to...sorry if I just got emotional when I see pictures like that ...sorry for being human!!! Excuse me for not being an intellectual like you!!!! I used to be a cop and know what they were going through!!! BTW. the fireman standing next to the President is a 68 year old retired member of the force!!!!...He came down just like I did!!!!

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[Yerdaddy]

<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/30/politics/campaign/30convene.html?hp" target="_blank">Republican leaders said yesterday that they would repeatedly remind the nation of the Sept. 11 attacks as their convention opens in New York City today, beginning a week in which the party seeks to pivot to the center and seize on street demonstrations to portray Democrats as extremist.</a>

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2 : to make use of meanly or unjustly for one's own advantage

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And you, Reeshy?



And what, High Fly???....All I can say is that I remember the day that that video was broadcast live...I related to the firefighters and cops who had lost a hell of alot of people...I was down there that day working in the rubble at around 1:30pm!!! I relate on a visceral level...I haven't seen what you are referring to...sorry if I just got emotional when I see pictures like that ...sorry for being human!!! Excuse me for not being an intellectual like you!!!! I used to be a cop and know what they were going through!!! BTW. the fireman standing next to the President is a 68 year old retired member of the force!!!!...He came down just like I did!!!!



I feel the same way as you do.

I wasn't asking you about 9/11 or the picture of President Bush with the bullhorn.

What I was asking you about was the commercial put out later on using the corpse of a firefighter as a prop to sell a political candidate.


I found it crass, outre, if you will.



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Republican leaders said yesterday that they would repeatedly remind the nation of the Sept. 11 attacks as their convention opens in New York City today, beginning a week in which the party seeks to pivot to the center and seize on street demonstrations to portray Democrats as extremist.</a>



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2 : to make use of meanly or unjustly for one's own advantage



Too bad NYC invited them there and invited the Democrats first but the Democrats said they would only come if the Republicans were not allowed to come.

Sounds like the Dems were too greedy to get the exploitation they wanted.

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Quite another story when the clothing designers and makeup artists and voice coaches and lighting directors and writers and producers and film directors all went to work on and with President Bush to make a campaign ad that showed New York firefighters taking a corpse out of the rubble in the background while George W's cheery mug is telling us to vote for him.


The democrats had their own version of this, only in a full length film. Called Fahrenhite 911. And I don't want to hear any bullshit that it was independent. That doesnt seem to matter to Kerry.

And either Hussein believe some of the Republican lies, or he was just a collector in the lastest in chemical suit and maskwear. And that was a very voluminous collection he had.

And finally, how the F do you protest a political convention? Are the Republicans not entitled to have a convention? Nobody protested the Democratic convention because they nominated a robot.

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Too bad NYC invited them there and invited the Democrats first but the Democrats said they would only come if the Republicans were not allowed to come.

If my post had anything to do with the location of the convention then you might have a zing. Too bad the point was that the republicans are openly planning on exploiting the tradgedy for political gain, beyond just addressing the valid issues that 9-11 should play in the election.

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The democrats had their own version of this, only in a full length film. Called Fahrenhite 911. And I don't want to hear any bullshit that it was independent. That doesnt seem to matter to Kerry.
It was independent.

And finally, how the F do you protest a political convention? Are the Republicans not entitled to have a convention? Nobody protested the Democratic convention because they nominated a robot.
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/convention/dnc/gallery/gallery.dnc.tues.protests/" target="_blank">PROTESTS AT THE DNC
While Democrats heard from past and future leaders Tuesday, July 27, 2004, protesters gathered at the Boston Common in Massachusetts.</a>

Do you actually LIKE being wrong?

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hey Einstein, only you believe you are always right.

But that was just a joke. Unless you are linking me to a sight that they were protesting that Kerry is a robot. You know what a joke is right?

I was waiting for that nitwit response so I had my answer all ready.
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The democrats had their own version of this, only in a full length film. Called Fahrenhite 911. And I don't want to hear any bullshit that it was independent. That doesnt seem to matter to Kerry.
It was independent.

And finally, how the F do you protest a political convention? Are the Republicans not entitled to have a convention? Nobody protested the Democratic convention because they nominated a robot.
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/convention/dnc/gallery/gallery.dnc.tues.protests/" target="_blank">PROTESTS AT THE DNC
While Democrats heard from past and future leaders Tuesday, July 27, 2004, protesters gathered at the Boston Common in Massachusetts.</a>

Do you actually LIKE being wrong?


"Independent" enough to get Moore box seats at the DNC.

And the protests in Boston pale to what's going on in NYC.

Oh, and if the crats had their convetion in NYC I bet all we would be hearing is how great it is that they are there and how supportive they are of the city. Because its the Republicans its all considered a bad exploit.

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And maybe you should explain to Kerry that the swiftboat ads are independent, because he seems hazy on that whole independent thing.

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God punished me and caused me to double post.

(Actually the libs did it)


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[Yerdaddy]

If the democrats had their convention in Nashville they would have had bigger protests. The republicans have huge protests because they wanted their convention in NYC. They knew what they were getting and they're trying to spin it to their advantage. What is there to cry about.

But, again, my criticism of the republicans' exploitation had nothing to do with the location of the convention.

"Fahrenheit 9/11" was not coordinated with the democratic party. Michael Moore campaigned for Ralph Nader in 2000 against the democrats, then endorsed at least 2 candidates before endorsing Kerry after he won the nomination.

While coordination between the Bush campaign and the Swift Boat liars hasn't been proven, and Kerry is wrong to claim, outright, that it is, the links between the two amount to a compelling circumstantial case that there has been coordination. Kerry should have attacked the false claims made by the group and attacked Bush for not condemning the proven lies rather than claiming coordination between the two, something the republican operatives are too smart not to be able to do without leaving fingerprints.

And, funny joke. That robot thing is clever and original.

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HIgh Fly,

If you had read my post carefully, you would have seen that I have answered your question about the commercial..I said that I didn't know what you were referring to since I haven't seen this commercial and it would be wrong of me to comment on it!!

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I'm assuming that any potential problems from the influx of people for the convention have been largely offset by all the people who live in work in Manhattan who have decided to stay the hell out until the convention is over.

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What a party we've got here... Michael Moore, Charles Baron, Jesse Jackson, Danny Glover...
I guess Chrissie Hynde, Susan Sarandon, and Martin Sheen couldn't make it. Too busy being arrested somewhere I suppose.

[Bestinshow]

While coordination between the Bush campaign and the Swift Boat liars hasn't been proven, and Kerry is wrong to claim, outright, that it is, the links between the two amount to a compelling circumstantial case that there has been coordination. Kerry should have attacked the false claims made by the group and attacked Bush for not condemning the proven lies rather than claiming coordination between the two, something the republican operatives are too smart not to be able to do without leaving fingerprints.


Last I checked, there were over 200 people willing to refute Kerry's claims vs about 11 willing to back him up. But you are good. You know which ones are the liars. And proven nonetheless. Wow, i didnt know you had it that cut and dried. A man as steadfast in his beliefs as Kerry could never be associated with liars.

By the way, i heard most of the government documention of Kerry's so called exploits were nothing more than writeups of Kerry's own reports, not questioned because of the honor system. I heard this in an interview so im not sure if this was backed up, but i have been curious of the validity of this paperwork.


"Fahrenheit 9/11" was not coordinated with the democratic party. Michael Moore campaigned for Ralph Nader in 2000 against the democrats, then endorsed at least 2 candidates before endorsing Kerry after he won the nomination.


And i suppose Nader is a conservative. Moore is a devout liberal who decided to devote his resources to helping out the kerry campaign. He is so independent that he was offered box seats at the democratic convention. And I didnt see Kerry condemning the lies of fahrenhite 911 as he wanted Bush condemning the swiftboat ads.

But of course those werent lies




And, funny joke. That robot thing is clever and original.


Yeah, about as funny as that remark about me liking to be wrong.....or was that meant seriously?...It was so witty and hysterical I couldnt tell.

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[Yerdaddy]

Last I checked, there were over 200 people willing to refute Kerry's claims vs about 11 willing to back him up. But you are good. You know which ones are the liars. And proven nonetheless. Wow, i didnt know you had it that cut and dried. A man as steadfast in his beliefs as Kerry could never be associated with liars.

By the way, i heard most of the government documention of Kerry's so called exploits were nothing more than writeups of Kerry's own reports, not questioned because of the honor system. I heard this in an interview so im not sure if this was backed up, but i have been curious of the validity of this paperwork.
It's all documented <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/40814/page/Kerry_Purple_Hearts____Self_Inflicted_Wounds_.htm" target="_blank">here</a>. They have proven themselves repeatedly to be liars.

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Last I checked, there were over 200 people willing to refute Kerry's claims vs about 11 willing to back him up


The 11 who back him up are the ones who actually served with him on the same boat and saw his actions up close (there's some others who support him who weren't on the boat, such was William Rood, editor at the Chicago Tribune and fellow swift boat commander) - the 200 are those who didn't serve directly with him, but on other boats, or in the same general area, and not always at the same time.

Furthermore, numerous holes have been shown in the stories of the Swift Boat for "Truth" group, as the link above demonstrates. The "Kerry wrote his reports" is an allegation with no basis in the truth, used as an attempt to discredit Kerry eventhough its authors' know it's false - just the kind of tactic the Republicans love.

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[Bestinshow]

Well personally, i don't see anything "proven" either way. Its probably alot of political horseshit going bothways. The same horseshit the Kerry campaign has been using to smear Bush such as he knew about 9/11 and he knew there were no wmd and he had no plan, etc.etc. etc. But when it comes to that, Democrats don't need proof. Fucking Kerry has no platform. His whole campaign is based on smear tactics. I laugh to myself how dirty this campaign is everytime I hear someone say they have to "stop" Bush. Give me an F'en break.

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Person 1: So why exactly are you voting for Kerry? What are one of his platforms?
Person 2: HE'S NOT BUSH!!!
Person 1: Touche.
Person 2: ZING.

Kerry started this whole SwiftBoat crap. I mean when you think about it, it was the kerry campaign who really started questioning Bush's presence in the Text National Guard. Which then opened up the door for anyone to question Kerry's credability when it comes to his Purple Hearts. This came later, but by no means did Bush start the fight.

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I mean when you think about it, it was the kerry campaign who really started questioning Bush's presence in the Text National Guard.

How did the Kerry campaign start that during the 2000 campaign? And the cases aren't even comparable. Bush's available records do not prove that he fulfilled his committment. The available Navy records clearly show that Kerry served and earned his medals, and that the Swift Boat Vets are lying.

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Not to mention Kerry condemned a MoveOn.org ad attacking Bush's National Guard service, while Bush won't do the same about the Swift Boat ad.

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Not to mention Kerry condemned a MoveOn.org ad attacking Bush's National Guard service, while Bush won't do the same about the Swift Boat ad.


He certainly has! Where have you been? And where did Kerry condemn the moveon.org ad? I'd like to read that.




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<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-milpol18aug18,1,4506330,print.story?coll=la-news-a_section" target="_blank">Kerry Condemns Anti-Bush Ad
'This should be a campaign of issues, not insults,' the Democrat says after MoveOn attacks president's Air National Guard record.</a>

Bush condemned "all 527 ads" but specifically stated that he was not singling out the "Swift Boat" ads. In other words, he condones the content of the ads, which was what McCain and others were asking him to condemn.

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Bush condemned "all 527 ads" but specifically stated that he was not singling out the "Swift Boat" ads. In other words, he condones the content of the ads, which was what McCain and others were asking him to condemn.


When you condemn "all, it means "all". You don't have to single out one if you are condemning the group. How does that mean to you he condones it?????!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are going to spin something, lets not change the meaning of the english language.

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[Yerdaddy]

Get a dictionary and look up "content" and "type". I made myself clear. Either take John McCain's word that there's a difference between 527 ads in general and the specific ads by the "Swift Boat Vets" or stay stupid. I don't care.

<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/08/05/politics1020EDT0544.DTL&type=printable" target="_blank">McCain condemns anti-Kerry ads, calls on White House to follow suit
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Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.

The White House declined.

"It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, comparing the anti-Kerry ad to tactics in his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush.

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"I wish they hadn't done it," McCain said of his former advisers. "I don't know if they knew all the facts."

Asked if the White House knew about the ad or helped find financing for it, McCain said, "I hope not, but I don't know. But I think the Bush campaign should specifically condemn the ad."

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"I deplore this kind of politics," McCain said. "I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War."

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HOLY SHIT!

Michael Moore is at the RNC and just got pointed out by McCain...

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McCain's speech was great. No matter what he should be the candidate for 2008 to trounce Hillary.

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[42nd-delay]

I forgot what a prick Guiliani is.

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[42nd-delay]

When you condemn "all, it means "all". You don't have to single out one if you are condemning the group. How does that mean to you he condones it?????!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are going to spin something, lets not change the meaning of the english language.


President Bush said on Monday that political advertisements run by a broad swath of independent groups should be stopped, including a television advertisement attacking Senator John Kerry's war record. But the White House quickly moved to insist that Mr. Bush had not meant in any way to single out the advertisement run by veterans opposed to Mr. Kerry. (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/CurrentPage/5/forum/87/Topic/40814/RequestTimeout/500)

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[FUNKMAN]

I forgot what a prick Guiliani is.


it seems to me he is talking too much... the Kerry FlipFlop insults just seem to be 'mean spirited' and have lost their affect...

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[HBox]

All you need to know, as per each parties convention:

DNC: Vietnam
RNC: 9/11

Now go and vote people!

Seriously, I went away for the weekend, had a great time, came home, and I'm in such a good mood that I can't watch the news, read the paper, or visit any political websites. It's all so depressing. I watched the end of the McCain speech, the beginning of Giuliani's and whatever that 9/11 exploitation crap was in between. I'm seriously considering not voting at this point. Nobody wants to talk about anything relevant. I'm so disgusted by everything.

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[42nd-delay]

I really like John McCain, but maybe he should have seen "Fahrenheit 9/11" before he criticized the film in front of the convention (he just said on MSNBC that he hasn't seen the film). It's amazing how many people attack Moore and the film without actually seeing it.

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[keithy_19]

I loved Guiliani'speach. I thought it brought up the Presidents most memorable time. It painted the image of the unity we had in this country when 9/11 just happened.



I forgot what a prick Guiliani is.


How is he a 'prick'? He was speaking to a home town crowd.


It's amazing how many people attack Moore and the film without actually seeing it.


You can really get the gist of the movie from the previews that were on.

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[Yerdaddy]

I've seen "Fahrenheit 9/11" and I think "disingenuous" is a fair characterization by McCain, although, unless he's recieved detailed descriptions of its content from some reputable source, it seems disingenuous for him to criticize it like that. I'll assume he has though.

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[42nd-delay]

How is he a 'prick'? He was speaking to a home town crowd.


I thought he was a prick long before this speech, and seeing him and hearing reminded me of that. But his ridiculing of Kerry through distortions of his record annoyed me.

As far as it being a hometown crowd, it's not - the convention is made up of delegates from all over the country.


You can really get the gist of the movie from the previews that were on.

I don't think you can - did you see it?

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[42nd-delay]

unless he's recieved detailed descriptions of its content from some
reputable source, it seems disingenuous for him to criticize it like that.
I'll assume he has though.


He said he's only seen clips. Furthermore, when Chris Mathews
pointed out the film's point about how the poor and disadvantaged
end up fighting our wars, McCain seemed unaware of that and said he
agreed with that point.

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[TheMojoPin]

OK, the topic title here is the RNC. Everyone is bringing up subjects that are already addressed in other threads, so link to those if you want to make a point, but don't clutter up this thread with pissing matches. Let's keep this to commentary about the RNC itself.

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[keithy_19]

As far as it being a hometown crowd, it's not - the convention is made up of delegates from all over the country.


I know it's not a home town crowd. But he spoke to the crowd as if they were all New Yorkers. I thought thatw as cool.

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[FUNKMAN]

I heard a few people on the Democratic side state that nothing was said about the economy, the increase in poverty, and the decrease in medical coverage. But there are a few more days for the Republicans to talk about them issues...

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[HBox]

So, Democrats take shit for being the "Hollywood" party but Republicans can get away with putting F-list celebrity Ron Silver in a speaking position? Man, if hollywood tilted right, Tom Cruise would be bigger than Jesus.

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[Recyclerz]

I also like and respect John McCain and respect what Guiliani did with NYC and the Country after 9/11. They each gave very effective political speeches tonight. Let me respectfully argue why they are wrong.

Both men praised Bush as a clear-eyed leader who understands what he needs to do to protect the nation from harm, someone who is not afraid to take the offensive against "the Terrorists" and defeat them "over there" before they can attack us again on our soil. Which is certainly a fine and noble thing to do - in a medieval story where the White Knight defeats the evil Black Knight (no Ani DiFrancos please) and saves the damsel in distress. This is the real world; the good guys do not win by being pure of heart. They only win if they are smarter, better prepared and, frankly, more ruthless than the bad guys they are fighting. And frankly I don't think this administration is doing any of those things. The politics indicate that the Republicans have to convince people that the war in Iraq was a necessity in the "War on Terror"; that's what the speeches tonight and probably from now through the election from the Republicans will be repeating over and over again. But that won't make it so. The war in Iraq was sold to us as a necessity because Sadaam had "weapons of mass destruction" that were an immediate threat to us (wrong), that he would give the weapons to al-Qaeda to even a blood feud with us (unlikely since he didn't have them), that we are bringing the benefits of freedom and democracy to Iraq , which will act as a seedbed of liberty for the whole of the Islamic world (anybody want to put the rent money on that happening in our lifetimes?). That leaves two standing reasons that haven't yet been disproved - 1. we needed to smack down an Islamic country to show those al-Qaeda bastards that we weren't to be trifled with, and they would be cowed into leaving us alone or 2. the Bush clan had some unfinished bidness with Sadaam. I don't think that 2 was the real reason, although there has to be a few threads of it in W's mind. I think the real reason was that our leaders had to represent and leave some Muslim teeth and blood on the floor to show them we weren't just a hapless paper tiger. This is not wrong per se. What is wrong is the way this administration carried it out. We indeed smacked `em down but, like the wrestlers do, we turned our back to the body on the floor and started celebrating, but surprise, surprise, the opponent was down but not out. Now we are down in the mud, wrestling opponent(s) who don't care how dirty they get. But we do. Recent events have demonstrated we can't take the necessary steps to eliminate those who we think are the biggest threats to a fledging Iraqi democracy because those who would stand to benefit the most from us eliminating them prefer to have the local enemies survive rather than our noses getting stuck in their business any further. So we're stuck in the Sonny Corleone/General Custer pose - determined to kick some ass and we'll get about halfway through before we realize we're in big trouble.

So before this gets any longer - Messrs. McCain and Guiliani, very pretty speeches but I call bullshit. I want my commander-in-chief to have actually read and understood The Prince, The Art of War and The Heart of Darkness. Then we might actually win the damn thing.


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[Yerdaddy]

I think it was stupid of Giuliani, and many other republicans in general, to go out of their way to insult our allies. He tells a story about historic appeasement of terrorism using the 1972 Munich Olympics attack and the 1985 Achille Lauro Hijacking to demonstrate how THEY have historically appeased terrorists, but he skips over the 1983 bombing of the marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 241 marines, after which Reagan simply left Lebanon. The 9-11 Commission Report says of the attack "In 1983 came Hezbollah's massacre of the Marines in Beirut.President Reagan quickly withdrew U.S. forces from Lebanon-a reversal later routinely cited by jihadists as evidence of U.S. weakness." No mention either of the USS Cole, which neither Clinton or Bush ever responded to.

But what the fuck? What would be the purpose of going out of his way to tell Americans that Europeans have been pussies in the face of terrorism in a convention speech? He talked about the killing of Leon Klinghoffer, "an American Jew, killed because of his religion." But 241 marines were murdered, and somehow the Italians, (who, after US and Britain, have the largest number of troops in Iraq), are Neville Chamberlain because some of the killers of one man got away? Someone please explain to me the purpose of that kind of xenophobia among republicans that even our allies deserve no respect? I just don't get it.

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[Yerdaddy]

The politics indicate that the Republicans have to convince people that the war in Iraq was a necessity in the "War on Terror"; that's what the speeches tonight and probably from now through the election from the Republicans will be repeating over and over again. But that won't make it so.

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[Recyclerz]

Someone please explain to me the purpose of that kind of xenophobia among republicans that even our allies deserve no respect? I just don't get it.


As usual Yerdaddy brings up a good point: if you believe the Bush/Republican hype we'll be fighting this "war" pretty much on our own. Tony Blair, Bush's only ally of global significance, won't last much longer as the head of the Labor Party because of Iraq. His likely successor, Gordon Brown, I believe will pull Britian out of the coalition of the willing. I doubt Poland and the other Eastern European countries will stay once Britian leaves.

Bush's rhetoric - Who needs 'em? It is the US destiny to defeat the evil-doers.

How many American kids will die on this quest for a grail?



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[monsterone]

sorry hbox, i can't find much beyond the article (quoted in the economist) regarding badnarik. the link mostly bashed the lp, and i couldn't find any articles about who they support.

and any web surches didn't support what you said. i won't dismiss it; but in checking out the candidates, i feel he supports what i do.

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[sr71blackbird]

Well, Monday was the first real day of it, and the way I go into work, I take the LIRR to Jamaica and then a train to Flatbush. Most of the other trains just go into Penn. But I guess it is such a hassle in Penn that a lot of people are bailing and going to Flatbush so the train that I take is packed to the balls and it sucks because everyone is pissed off by it and whats weird is that the whole way there I didnt see any conductors asking for tickets! I kind of figured theyd be all over this kind of thing.
Im leaving early today just in case its a clusterfuck like yesterday.

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[Reephdweller]

Im leaving early today just in case its a clusterfuck like yesterday.


Damn those fucking repulsivicans fuckin' shit up!!!

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Someone please explain to me the purpose of that kind of xenophobia among republicans that even our allies deserve no respect?


Ooh Nice! This line leapt out at me, but it has nothin to do with Repubs, or Dems, or even US politics for that matter.

I tell you this, what pisses me off about some of our allies is that while the USA takes shit for not helping enough with some of the *real* global problems, like sub-saharan and eurasian AIDS, some of these fucking Countries? Even the UN is like, cant some of you EU nations stick a crow bar in your budgets and give more then a fucking Pittance towards some of this shit?

That is way oversimplified, but...

::rant over::

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[Recyclerz]

Council on Foreign Relations - Foreign Aid Questions (http://cfrterrorism.org/policy/foreignaid.html#Q4)

Most relevant part:

The U.S. foreign-aid budget as a percentage of gross national product (GNP) ranks last among the world's wealthiest countries (at about 0.1 percent). In raw dollars, however, the United States is now the world's top donor of economic aid, although for more than a decade it was second to Japan, which is far smaller and has been beset by economic woes. In 2001, the United States gave $10.9 billion, Japan $9.7 billion, Germany $4.9 billion, the United Kingdom $4.7 billion, and France $4.3 billion. As a percentage of GNP, however, the top donors were Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Sweden. The tiny Netherlands (pop. 16.3 million) gave $3.2 billion in 2001-almost a third of what America contributed.


This isn't the whole story as many of us donate privately to charities/NGOs that work outside the US but it is a myth that the US gov't is picking up the world's bar tab.



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[angrymissy]

You can really get the gist of the movie from the previews that were on.

Are you fucking serious? Seriously, F911 is not fucking Anaconda 2.

I HATE Michael Moore, I always have. HATE HATE HATE. I think he is a pompous ass. I went to see F911 anyway and was blown away by it. I literally left the movie theater stunned. Its not the type of movie that you can make a sweeping generalization about by taking a peek at the previews. I left that theather shocked and ashamed that we could have such an ass representing our country as president. Never mind the debate about what is factual and what is not, the footage of Bush and the drivel that comes out of his asinine mouth was good enough for me.

Now for the RNC, what a gigantic pain in the ass. I went up to the city on Friday night and it took me 3 hours to just get where I was going because of the bike protest. Plus all the bars were packed with protesters and the RNC hadn't even started yet. PROTESTERS STOP INTERFERING WITH MY DRINKING!

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[badorties]

as i was getting ready for work this morning, i heard a report on NPR that a cop was hospitalized after a run-in with a protester ...

right before i left the house, i heard the same story on ABC and their version had that the cop was repeatedly kicked and stomped by several protestors ...

with this story, i'm not too sure which slant is more believable ...


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[curtoid]

MSCBC is just wacky...

Chris Matthews just got bitch slapped by some black hooded anarchist - at least, I thinks thats what just happened, as someone bursted onto the open set "Hardball" has set up on Harold Square in NY and it looked like the guy was tackled on Matthew's lap before they cut away!

Very scary ~ yet funny!!

They've only talked about it briefly.

And just now they have cut away to Ron Bennington's best friend, Stephen Baldwin, who is there at the convention to "support the one candidate" who is into god and faith and all that. He had that glossy eyed Jesus Freak look, even as he denied being a "Jesus Freak" (his words).



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[FUNKMAN]

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I forgot what a prick Guiliani is.


it seems to me he is talking too much... the Kerry FlipFlop insults just seem to be 'mean spirited' and have lost their affect...



I was just watching and even Bob Dole told Guiliani that his manner was 'mean spirited' but in few words... Strong and confident is good but 'cocky' is just a turnoff for me...

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[HBox]

I wanted to make an effort to watch Arnold's speech tonight. I really want to understand his appeal. I made it past the weird, out-of-context shot at the Democrats. I made it past his pandering movie refrences. I made it as far as this sentence:

"Listening to Nixon speak was like a breath of fresh air."

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[ag]

Ok great now the Bush Twins are speaking and it sounds like a bad script from the VMA's. The whole "Shake it like a polaroid picture" thing was bad, along with the " we know when we tell them we're going to see OUTKAST, they know its a band and not a bunch of Misfits" UGH Someone shoot them both

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[WindowSill]

I was dying listening to the Bush "twins" talking...STOP FUCKIN GIGGLING! So friggin annoying! And why did their "speech" sound like something out of the VMAs? Jeez, awful...


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[FMJeff]

i have an eerie feeling bush is going to win...

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[FUNKMAN]

i thought Arnold did a good job. he has alot of confidence, a good sense of humor, and he speaks well. he gives the impression that he is sincere in his beliefs and sidings with the Republican party...

the Bush girls were alright! they had alot of balls going through with the comedy bit... let's just say it wasn't Red Bank...
;)

sorry Bill!

As i write i hear Mrs Bush saying the 'our safety depended on invading Iraq' I just don't buy it...

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[reeshy]

i have an eerie feeling bush is going to win...


Let's hope so!!!!! I pray to the Baby Jesus tha he does!!!!!

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i have an eerie feeling bush is going to win...


Let's hope so!!!!! I pray to the Baby Jesus tha he does!!!!!

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[WindowSill]

"Don't be economic girlie men!"


That was the line that ruined Arnolds speech for me...I could bear with the Richard Nixon comments but the girlie man shit was just plain stupid. If anyone says "girlie men" at work today, Im punching them in the face...


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The two symbols of the Republican party: an elephant and a big fat white guy who's threatened by change.

[curtoid]

I forgot what a prick Guiliani is.it seems to me he is talking too much... the Kerry FlipFlop insults just seem to be 'mean spirited' and have lost their affect...

I was just watching and even Bob Dole told Guiliani that his manner was 'mean spirited' but in few words... Strong and confident is good but 'cocky' is just a turnoff for me...

Dole calling Guiliani "mean spirited" is sort of like John McCain calling Michael Moore "disingenuous."

(Let's see, John - you are actually friends with John Kerry, and you hate George Bush, but you are willing to sell your soul and carry the president's water in 2004 hoping that in 2008 the Ralph Reeds of the NuGOP will embrace you? I call THAT disingenuous!)

Isn't it interesting how the Democrats went out of their way to try and try to avoid bashing the President, Al Sharpton aside, yet so far it's been open season on Kerry at the GOP fest?

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[Dudeman]

(Let's see, John - you are actually friends with John Kerry, and you hate George Bush, but you are willing to sell your soul and carry the president's water in 2004 hoping that in 2008 the Ralph Reeds of the NuGOP will embrace you? I call THAT disingenuous!)


great point. he better really hope bush wins.


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[Recyclerz]

And now for Wednesday's confusing speeches:

Multiple choice question -


Did John Kerry knock up Zell Miller's daughter?
Does Kerry owe him money?
Did Kerry refuse his advances?
Did Miller have a stroke?


It is one thing to back the candidate for the other party because of deeply held beliefs on an issue or three or if you really think the nominee is not up to the job but what Miller tried to do makes those Swiftboat liars look like the kids at Spinsanity.

Bemusing. :confuse:



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[HBox]

Zell Miller can do whatever he wants. if he wants to become a Republican, if he really feels the Democrats left him, if 9/11 changed him that much, he should do what he feels is right. But I can't be any clearer about what I'm about to say:

<font size="20">ZELL MILLER IS NOT A DEMOCRAT.<font size="1">

Change parties already. You don't stand for anything Democrats stand for. You're trying to carry some kind of legitmacy that the title of Democrat brings and you don't have it. Stop. Now.

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[WindowSill]

Zell Miller gave one hell of a speech. I can respect a democrat that goes out and speaks out against his party for what he believes in. He made a lot of good points and presented them in a better yet stronger way than Gulliani. As far as Dick goes...first of he said the exact same things that have been said since Monday...and second of all, he can go to hell, I cant fuckin stand him.


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The two symbols of the Republican party: an elephant and a big fat white guy who's threatened by change.

[FUNKMAN]

Cheney is tearin Kerry a new butthole...

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[Dudeman]

strom thurmond was once a democrat. things change...


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H-Box,

I agree. Slate had a good take on this.
If Miller switches, his 15 min. are up (http://slate.msn.com/id/2105700/)

That still doesn't excuse the character asassination.


Now Cheney is twisting the facts into a particularly unsavory pretzel. These guys have been in power for almost 4 years and have gotten 98% of their agenda enacted through a compliant Congress. So why aren't they celebrating the wonderful things that have happened as a result of their steadfast and wise stewardship of the country?

Oh yeah, because results matter.



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Miller is getting a deep cavity search as we speak... they are making him look like an ass

EDIT: seriously! this guy has some mental problems... how the fuck did the republicans allow him to speak. they probably wanted to portray "even a Democrat doesn't back Kerry" but they pickey a looney...

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and what's with Sling Blade and that blonde chick dancing all over the place?


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[Recyclerz]

Cringe TV at its best

Zell Miller v. Chris Matthews on MSNBC for the last 10 min. This will live on forever.



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chris matthews brother jim is my dads boss



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[HBox]

Zell Miller's speech just signifies everything that is wrong with politics today. Bending every comment and vote of the opponent in misleading directions which just serves in misinforming and already gravely misinformed public. Not being content in disagreeing with your opponent, but having to tear him down as a person, making him not even worthy of respect. I'm sick of it. Zell Miller is not a Democrat, and I'm glad he isn't.

Take him, the Swift Boat dopes, MoveOn, ACT, The Club for Growth and all those fucking nuts and send them to the fucking moon and let us have a goddamn election, PLEASE!

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[FUNKMAN]

Mo Rocca has been pretty funny... I give CNN credit for bringing him on...

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[Recyclerz]

Gotta disagree with your solution H-Box. After tonight, if John Kerry and John Edwards and everybody that supports them doesn't represent, as the rappers put it, this race is over. Zell Miller blatantly and Dick Cheney, only slightly less blatantly, bitch-slapped Kerry in front of the whole nation. Unless he shows an atavistic streak that demonstrates that he can fight back effectively he might as well change his name to Dukakis.

The silver lining to this is that if Kerry succeeds in effectively fighting back and showing the requisite cojones there will be absolutely no reason for a reasonable person to vote for Bush/Cheney.

The challenge has been issued Sen. Kerry. Step up.



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[HBox]

Well, of course. Somebody's already flushed the toilet. We've got nowhere to go but down the drain.

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

I've noticed that MoveOn tends to be the fighting arm for the Democrats without actually being associated with the Democrats. If Kerry is going to win this election it will be almost all thanks to them. If the Democratic Party had someone with a bit more charisma running, I believe this election would be a slam dunk against Bush, but Kerry just doesn't have what it takes on his own to really carry this. As a Democrat myself, I thank God for MoveOn.org.

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I'm posting in a non-political way...My brother, Matthew, is a detective with the Transit Division...He was working plainclothes in the crowd when the melee happened...He tried to arrest one of the "Pacifists" when the guy hit him with a short piece of mop handle right in the face....My brother grabbed the guy and showed him the error of his ways...But he's got 4 sutures across his nose and will probably be out of work for 2 weeks ......But my brother did what I taught him......he took care of the prisoner!!!! And now he's voting Republican!!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

Kerry's getting smoked, flat-out, by this convention. Only a miracle is going to let him win come Novemeber.

Whether everything said about him is true or not doesn't really matter...it's being said, and it's being pounded home all across America. Like it's been said in this thread, he finally needs to let his set drop and step up and quit being the wishy-washy punk twist he's been for the last year.

At this point, he'd better get on his knees and pray that Bush completely snafu's the debates, because that's about the ONLY shot he has for winning this election. And remember, everyone said Bush would tank at the debates LAST time, and he and Gore ended up actually breaking even, at least based on general public reaction.

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[HBox]

Kerry's getting smoked, flat-out, by this convention. Only a miracle is going to let him win come Novemeber.

I agree. I've heard it said that Kerry is a great closer, that he's at his best in the last stages of an election. I can only hope so. His only hope is going as dirty as Bush has been. And, as of next Wednesday, that's excatly what's going to happen.

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[reeshy]

Kerry lost...Bush is going to win...simple!

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I`ve been saying it for weeks...People just don`t get it.

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[whoopsy]

And, as of next Wednesday, that's excatly what's going to happen.


what's happening on Wednesday, i didn't get the memo.

politics is all about the KISS approach and the Repubs are working it beatifully to create a clear and simple message. politics sucks

Did you see the gomer with the flip-flops??


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[Mike Teacher]

I listened to the T-Cheney-2000 Speech on the radio last night. Cyberdyne Systems are really creating lifelike speech patterns. How were his movements? Natural? Did he morph at all? Oh wait, he's an older model, human skin over metal alloy.

Ok he had to be calm I guess but come on!

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the bush campaign is saying they want 2 presidental debates instead of 3...


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[HBox]

what's happening on Wednesday, i didn't get the memo.

More Vietnam nonsense is what's gonna happen. (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_08_29.php#003398)

I read somewhere else that this interview airs on 60 Minutes 2 next Wednesday. I'd say it doesn't matter, that it has nothing to do with the campaign, but idiots in this country fell for the Swift Boat crap so anything is possible.

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[curtoid]

Kerry's getting smoked, flat-out, by this convention. Only a miracle is going to let him win come Novemeber.

I agree. I've heard it said that Kerry is a great closer, that he's at his best in the last stages of an election. I can only hope so. His only hope is going as dirty as Bush has been. And, as of next Wednesday, that's excatly what's going to happen.

Wow! What a couple of negative Nancys!

;)

Listen, it's clear that the two campaign have different strategies:

* The Republicans are trying to energize their base. Anyone who steps back and looks at what's been going on now clearly sees this as one of the most aggressively negative conventions in many election cycles - and they don't even have the 527's to hide behind. The GOP clearly doesn't give a shit about undecided or the moderates at this point. They best they can hope for is to muddy things up with lies by omission to make a few of those in the middle cross over, but in the end they see that they can best win the election with their hard cores out there.

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ANGRY MAN!

ALL they seem willing to do is attack Kerry. Dick Cheney blasted John Kerry 14 times in his speech, with no talk of the economy - the worst jobs record since the Great Depression, not to mention soaring health care costs.

Pfffft!

* The Democrats are reaching beyond the liberals and aggressively going after those in the middle, and even many of the disaffected Republicans. Kerry has campaigned in states and cities that Democrats haven't visited in YEARS.

Not going to declare that he's going to win (Gore won, but that didn't seem to matter in the end), but it's not going to be a slam dunk - for either of them.

GOOD NEWS - this will be over soon.

BAD NEWS - one of these two men will be President.



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[curtoid]

I usually hate this shit...


Today's Republican Convention Itinerary

6:00 PM - Opening Prayer led by the Reverend Jerry Falwell
6:30 PM - Pledge of Allegiance
6:35 PM - Ceremonial Burning of Bill of Rights (excluding 2nd Amendment)
6:45 PM - Salute to the "Coalition of the Willing"
6:46 PM - Seminar #1: Katherine Harris on "Are Elections Really Necessary?"
7:30 PM - Announcement: Lincoln Memorial Renamed for Ronald Reagan
7:35 PM - Trent Lott - "Re-segregation in the 21st Century"
7:40 PM - EPA Address #1: "Mercury: It's What's for Dinner"
8:00 PM - Vote on which country to invade next
8:10 PM - Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh
8:15 PM - John Ashcroft Lecture: "The Homos Are After Your Children"
8:30 PM - Round table discussion on reproductive rights (Men Only)
8:50 PM - Seminar #2: "Corporations: The Government of the Future"
9:00 PM - Condi Rice sings "Can't Help Lovin' Dat Man"
9:05 PM - Phyllis Schlafly speaks on "Why Women Shouldn't Be Leaders"
9:10 PM - EPA Address #2: "Trees: The Real Cause of Forest Fires"
9:30 PM - Break for secret meetings
10:00 PM - Second Prayer led by Cal Thomas
10:15 PM - Karl Rove Lecture: "Doublespeak Made Simple"
10:30 PM - Rumsfeld Lecture/Demonstration: "How to Squint and Talk Macho Even When You Feel Squishy Inside"
10:35 PM - Bush demonstration of trademark "deer in headlights" stare
10:40 PM - John Ashcroft Demonstration: New Mandatory Kevlar Chastity Belt
10:45 PM - GOP's Tribute to Tokenism, featuring Colin Powell & Condi Rice
10:46 PM - Ann Coulter's Tribute to "Joe McCarthy, American Patriot"
10:50 PM - Seminar #3: "Education: A Drain on Our Nation's Economy"
11:10 PM - Hilary Clinton Pinata
11:20 PM - John Ashcroft Lecture: "Evolutionists: A Dangerous New Cult"
11:30 PM - Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh again
11:35 PM - Blame Clinton
11:40 PM - Newt Gingrich speaks on "The Sanctity of Marriage"
11:41 PM - Announcement: Ronald Reagan to be added to Mt. Rushmore
11:50 PM - Closing Prayer led by Jesus Himself
12:00 Mid - Nomination of George W. Bush as Holy Supreme Planetary Overlord



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[42nd-delay]

Kerry's getting smoked, flat-out, by this convention. Only a miracle is going to let him win come November.

I think it's worth remembering that most of the elections of the past had barely begun at this point. It's not so long ago that parties went into conventions without a chosen candidate. There's time for lots of things to happen in the next two months: debates, campaigning, economic reports, news from Iraq, and other unexpected events. Polls are still close, and I don't feel like there's a mood in the country decisively in one way or the other.

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12:00 Mid - Nomination of George W. Bush as Holy Supreme Planetary Overlord


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[canofsoup15]

Watching it now. Bush's motorcade just pulled in and it was a fucking ASSLOAD of vehicles. There were at least like 15 cars. Swat vans, Suvs Limos, Police, just f'in incredible. You can tell he's going for the minorities. How exactly can you tell this.

Picture a black male soul singer, with a back-up black female soul singer, and about ten black children singing a soul song about "yes you can do things you want".

Oh wait.

That's on right now.

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[Recyclerz]

hahahahahahaahh!
Great, I just blasted my monitor with lemonade


Gee, is that what the kids are calling it nowadays?

;)



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[curtoid]

I think it's worth remembering that most of the elections of the past had barely begun at this point. It's not so long ago that parties went into conventions without a chosen candidate. There's time for lots of things to happen in the next two months: debates, campaigning, economic reports, news from Iraq, and other unexpected events. Polls are still close, and I don't feel like there's a mood in the country decisively in one way or the other.

VERY true - this election might be closer than 2000, and I wouldn't be at all shocked if we saw a repeat, except with Bush winning the popular vote, and Kerry wins the electorial.



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[canofsoup15]

Hah.

Steven Colbert was in the audience talking to some guy, in what looked to be the next bit for the daily show. I can't wait to see it. I wasn't even sure they let those guys in.

I thought that all of those one on one conversations were fake but this one looked pretty real to me. There was no sound so I don't know. Pretty cool though.

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[HBox]

What the hell is Al Gore doing speaking at the RNC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[size=1]Oh, that's George Pataki. Nevermind.

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[canofsoup15]

Pataki is kicking ass.

I was for the patriot act before I was against it.

Here's a guy that has to google his own name to find out where he stands. ~Pataki on Kerry.

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Do you see Republicans disrupting the Democratic Convention?

Obnoxious hippie fuckers.

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[canofsoup15]

That was a very good speech. Also really long. A tad too long, he should've cut it short at an hour but what are ya gonna do?

The speech content was very good and very well organized, he talked about his plans for the economy, education, the war, all in great detail. When he started tearing up at the end I almost believed he was human.

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[HBox]

That was pretty good. I didn't think he had it in him.

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[WindowSill]

Yep. The opening was good, the closing was good and the writers did a superb job filling that other hour with the "plan" for the next 4 years. By the way, Kerry isnt even waiting till tommorow, theyre having a campaign right at midnight tonight....bastard....


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Well, the RNC is over, and there was no terrorist attack. Good.

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I thought it was an excellent speech. One of the best I've seen him give. Which isn't to say it's the best speech I've seen, but just that he has given. He came across as passionate, sincere, and determined. As someone who saw both his speech and Kerry's acceptance speech at the DNC convention I have to rate Bush's speech as better.

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It wasn't badly delivered speech, though it was pretty long. It all
sounded good on the surface, but I don't see how he can cut spending
while also embarking on the 15 or programs (some of them major)
that he proposed. In fact, he can't, and he won't (as the last four
years show). As with the rest of the convention, the speech carried
the usual distortions of Kerry's record, and used fear to try and
persuade us to vote for Bush.

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[HBox]

Edwards is already speaking. It looks like they are on the battlepath.

They've led us from the edge of greatness to the edge of a cliff.

Ouch.

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[reeshy]

the speech carried the usual distortions of Kerry's record,


Can you point these "distortions" out to me...I'm stupid!!!!

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Do you see Republicans disrupting the Democratic Convention? Obnoxious hippie fuckers.


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[TheMojoPin]

Do you see Republicans disrupting the Democratic Convention?

Obnoxious hippie fuckers.

Actually, they tend to disrupt the DNC's even more often. Just look to 1968. And even 2000.

Bush had to make the speech of his political career, and he pulled it off with flying colors. Kudos.

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[HBox]

Can you point these "distortions" out to me...I'm stupid!!!!

Well, for starters, how about when Pataki and Cheney said that Kerry would wait until we are attacked to attack terrorists. Or how Kerry voted against funding for the F-14 Tomcat and B1 Bomber, when Secretary of Defense Cheney killed one project and sent budgets to the Senate that slashed funding for the other. I think those would be "distortions."

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[Yerdaddy]

Can you point these "distortions" out to me...I'm stupid!!!!

Again, my opponent and I have different approaches. I proposed, and the Congress overwhelmingly passed, 87 billion dollars in funding needed by our troops doing battle in Afghanistan and Iraq. My opponent and his running mate voted against this money for bullets, and fuel, and vehicles, and body armor. When asked to explain his vote, the Senator said, "I actually did vote for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against it." Then he said he was "proud" of that vote. Then, when pressed, he said it was a "complicated" matter. There is nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat.

Kerry proposed an alternative bill that payed for the measure by rolling back the tax cuts for the top 1% of taxpayers and voted for it. Then he voted against the final version that passed.

But, more importantly, the troops already in Iraq shouldn't have needed the emergency supplimental to get the armored Humvees and modern body armor in the first place. According to <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101061,00.html" target="_blank">Fox News</a> even, American soldiers in Iraq were in need of the advanced body armor because the Bush administration sent them into Iraq without it.

And the armored Humvees that the supplimental was needed for:

<a href="http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2003/12/18/troops_seen_vulnerable_in_humvees/" target="_blank">American troops are dying in Iraq and suffering amputations and other massive injuries while they confront the Iraqi insurgency in Humvees not designed to withstand front-line combat.

These lighter Humvees and other military vehicles have become the target of choice for anti-US guerrillas. Shrapnel from a roadside bomb, or even a simple AK-47 rifle round, can slice through the unarmored vehicles -- some of which have little more than vinyl fabric for their roofs and doors, troops who know them say.

"We're kind of sitting ducks in the vehicles we have," said Lieutenant Colonel Vincent Montera, commander of the Long Island, N.Y.-based 310th Military Police Battalion, which has crisscrossed the Iraqi countryside for months in those "soft-top" models.

But the Army does not expect the full complement of a more heavily armored version, designed to withstand armor-piercing bullets and land mines, to arrive in Iraq until the summer of 2005. The Pentagon failed to move them into Iraq in significant numbers because war planners had seriously underestimated how violent the newly liberated nation would be.

Just 1 in 8 Humvees in Iraq are of this more heavily armored variety.</a>

Again, the Bush administration had ample warnings, from within the military, the foreign policy community, and top officials from past administrations, that their war plans were seriously flawed before we went in. But Bush is now blaming Kerry for his own mistakes. That's Bush leadership.

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He took some license in telling Americans that Democratic opponent John Kerry ``is running on a platform of increasing taxes.''

Kerry would, in fact, raise taxes on the richest 2 percent of Americans as part of a plan to keep the Bush tax cuts for everyone else and even cut some of them more. That's not exactly a tax-increase platform.

On Iraq, Bush derided Kerry for devaluing the alliance that drove out Saddam Hussein and is trying to rebuild the country. ``Our allies also know the historic importance of our work,'' Bush said. ``About 40 nations stand beside us in Afghanistan, and some 30 in Iraq.''

But the United States has more than five times the number of troops in Iraq than all the other countries put together. And, with 976 killed, Americans have suffered nearly eight times more deaths than the other allies combined.

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Bush Leaves Out Complex Facts in Speech


The New York Times is as legitimate as Jayson Blair.

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Actually, they tend to disrupt the DNC's even more often. Just look to 1968. And even 2000.


we're talking about this year...My brother has a broken nose over thuis one!!!

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Well....considering the alternative....

He's got my vote....

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[curtoid]

You people are nuts - it was a good speech only (a) because the Republicans made it look good, with that whole theatre in the round (makes one wish the Democrats had thought of that!) and (b) it was a good speech ONLY compared to Bush's other speeches. Beyond the faithful, though, it was not that great.

It was too long - filled with the same attacks from his stump (many of which have been shot down already), it was void of real specifics (long on ambitions but short on the ways or means to accomplish them) of how he's going to pay for everything, all the while attacking Kerry as a "tax and spend" Democrat ("policies of the past" was simply an ill-fitting attack of the past, as Kerry has outlined taxes cuts, with one exception - those for the $200K crowd), there was NO mention of the deficit, it filled with promises he made in 2000 and did not fulfill and it was wrapped around September 11th like he fucking owns the day.

One of the most depressing moments of the speech (aside from the family values trifecta of abortion, religious charities, and suppressing gay rights he rattled off very quickly at one point) was Bush making the blanket "taxes" comments he stole from Forbes from the 1990s, and getting the Pavlovian thunderous applause and standing ovation you expect from the GOP mindless - contrast that to moments later him talking about funding for schools, and getting a tepid, polite claps.

The oddest moment of the speech was when he said that, along the campaign trail:

As I have traveled our country, I've met too many good doctors, especially OB/GYNs



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Really? Who? Why? When?...WHY?

Why is Bush ESPECIALLY talking to OB/GYNs? Is there something wrong with Laura? The twins? His Mama?

Condi?

Very confusing.

As far as the protestors - as Mojo said this has been done more times before at DNC conventions; I loved what Tom Shales said about the action in today's Post:

Ronald Reagan in the same situation would have responded with a quip and dismissed the protesters with a tolerant smile. Bush clung carefully to his text, his eyes darting anxiously around the hall.

I would have loved to have created a drinking game where you take a swig every time he licked his upper lip as he uncomfortably read his teleprompter.

Seriously - you people thought this was a great speech?!!?

SERIOUSLY - why was Bush talking to OB/GYNs????


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This message was edited by Reefdweller on 9-3-04 @ 10:40 AM

[LordJezo]

Good pictures of the peace loving Dem protesters here (http://www.hundredpercenter.com/nycprotesters.html)

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Can someone tell me how throwing golf balls and ball bearings under police horses is any kind of political protest?

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[TheMojoPin]

It's not. It's a bunch of punks who want to only show up at these sorts of things and cause destruction and start fights. They're the "anarchist" minority in these mass protests that "prove" to all the lazy fucks that think protesting is "bad" that it's OK for them not to do shit about anything.

Since when has protesting become a "bad" thing in America? Our country is fucking founded on public protests. Yeah, you get some bad people who show up. You get that at ANY mass public gathering. People burn neighborhoods and riot over fucking SPORTS GAMES, yet that's just shrugged off like it's just part of the system. But people want to show up for a political protest, oh, GOD FORBID they want to exercise their right to assembly and protest.

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[reeshy]

Seriously - you people thought this was a great speech?!!?



Yes indeedy!!!!!!!

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[curtoid]

I didn't see any of youse complaining when the Republicans stood shoulder to shoulder in the 1990s with many of the very same peace-nicks that protested Clinton and his. Now THAT was the oddest scene ever.



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This message was edited by Yerdaddy on 9-3-04 @ 8:07 PM

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SpinSanity's breakdown on the RNC (There's also a similar analysis of the earlier DNC on the site). (http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20040907.html)

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[curtoid]

Arrests at GOP Convention Are Criticized

One late August evening, Alexander Pincus pedaled his bicycle to the Second Avenue Deli to buy matzo ball soup, a pastrami-on-rye and potato latkes for his sweetheart, who was sick with a cold.
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He would not return for 28 hours. As Pincus and a friend left the deli, they inadvertently walked into a police blockade and sweep of bicycle-riding protesters two days before the Republican National Convention began. "I asked an officer how I could get home," Pincus recalled. "He said, 'Follow me,' and we went a few feet and cops grabbed us. They handcuffed us and made us kneel for an hour."

<br><br> Police carted Pincus to a holding cell topped with razor wire and held him for 25 hours without access to a lawyer. The floor was a soup of oil and soot, he said, and the cell had so few portable toilets that some people relieved themselves in the corner. Pincus said a shoulder was dislocated as police pulled back his arms to handcuff him. "Cops kept saying to us, 'This is what you get for protesting.' " (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34245-2004Sep19.html)

Today's Washington Post.



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This message was edited by curtoid on 9-20-04 @ 12:19 PM

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They didn't arrest him because they thought he was a protester, they arrested him because he was Jewish!

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[curtoid]

They didn't arrest him because they thought he was a protester, they arrested him because he was Jewish!

Oy!



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[SatCam]

... buy matzo ball soup, a pastrami-on-rye and potato latkes for his sweetheart, who was sick with a cold.

Not only will that get rid of her cold, but that'll clog up a few arteries and send her to the hospital

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