Gun Makers Already Market Assault Weapons

[FUNKMAN]

WASHINGTON - With the federal ban on assault weapons set to expire next Monday, gun manufacturers are marketing military-style firearms and are ready to sell them as soon as Sept. 14, a consumer group said Tuesday.


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When i first saw the headline and read some of the Article my first reaction is "Oh Fucking Great! This is what we need, more assault weapons in the hands of the public"

I'm trying to figure out what makes sense in this situation. I'm sure with all of the terrorist attacks the NRA and members may use them to justify owning an assault weapon.

How does this situation make you feel?


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[JPMNICK]

I can not understand why congress did not update this ban. i bet all the gun nuts and collectors will be jumping on this one before the ban comes back into play.

do you think this was done on purpose to see if any one or any group were ordering a lot of guns?

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[Mike Teacher]

I dunno.

I have an NRA Card, I have a fucking cannon in the shape of a Remington 870 about ten feet away, but I dont want the ban lifted. Go figure.

I guess its a teeter-totter balance of personal freedoms vs. publics right to safety. Sorry I sprayed ya with this 60 round clip; only lasts three seconds in full auto, so remember; short, controlled bursts. Ok thats from Aliens...

The second amendment has been argued more, as to interpretation, then any other. Does a 'well-regulated militia' mean we should be able to own stuff to defend against such an enemy? Is the public suposed to be the last line in 'well regulated' What exactly did they mean?

Thank christ they were smart enough to realize they didnt have a crystal ball so they set things up such that the Constitution could be amended; and maybe wiser peeps down the road would know what to do.

Problem with the above, is first; I know I have the issue wrong, and, more importantly, peeps who lean towards strict interpreatation of the constitution, well, its a cliche, but they didnt foresee M-16/AR-15, the Uzi, The Kalishnakov, and what the fuck gattling gun used in the frist Predator Movie. Maybe I need one of those.

I always thought it was totally bogus when I heard a movie and there was a gun, even a 9mm Glock, and more then 10 rounds fired I was like: Wrong! Cant Happen! Only fires ten!

Then I discovered the wonderful world of Pre-Ban Clips. Youd be amazed at, well, youd be amazed.

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[Mike Teacher]

Me! Especially with THAT sidearm.

OK, seriously. I dislike guns. The numbers of gun deaths here compard to other nations staggers; and yes, I know the debates and counter debates, this one I wanted to know a bit about; living in a secluded area, yeah I know, makes no sense, yeah I know, me owning it statistically puts me in danger, yeah I know. Say all of that but I have stuff and I dont know what I can say here coz way back I showed a photo and wow did the mods get pissed!

But one example of what already exaists. Cheaper then Dirt is just one of many that sell pre-ban clips. So, you can buy a clip that holds 30 rounds of 9mm ammo. And 9mm is only really on the edge of 'powerful', if that. See? this will turn into a pissing match. ack!

But what I'm saying is, does one really need to be able to walk into a situation where they are holding two handguns, with a total of 60.. sixty rounds? And thats two handguns.

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The NRA Says:

Of course, not everybody in American can buy a firearm-felons, drug addicts, illegal aliens and fugitives from justice, for example, can not-and ownership of fully-automatic firearms has been heavily regulated by federal law since 1934. And, of course, semi-automatic firearms, which have been around for more than a century, are used by millions of Americans for hunting, self-defense, recreational target shooting and in formal marksmanship competitions such as the Olympics.

Tha list of reasons they give at the end, for me, isnt enough. I need more then that to let peeps own the assault style-shit, and yes I know semi-auto is a world away, but then again, its a pissing contest of differences of degree

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FUCK! I'm arguing with myself in my own fucking post! Arrrrrrggghhhhh.......

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[TheMojoPin]

And that's the infamous Bare-Assed Bear from "The Great Outdoors."

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[JPMNICK]

i think we should all just have pitch forks

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[LiquidCourage]

Who CARES if the ban is out the window?

Oh no, those bastards have bayonets now!

[reeshy]

petition (http://www.moveon.org/savetheban/)

I got this link from my brother, Mike, who is a retired cop(like me)....and he owns more handguns than God.....but He is dead setagainst assault weapons...I don't know what good this petition will do...but it's better than nothing!!!

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[Yerdaddy]

Good call, Reeshy. Best thing to do now, since the expiration day is September 14, is to call your Senators and Representatives' local offices, (<a href="http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/dbq/officials/" target="_blank">find out who they are and their numbers here</a>), especially if they're Republicans, (<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040909/ap_on_go_co/assault_weapons_6" target="_blank">GOP: Congress Won't Vote on Weapons Ban</a>), and simply tell them where you live and that you strongly support keeping the assault weapons ban and that you'd like them to propose a vote on the issue. That's it. It's probably most important to call Senators as the House is using them as an excuse to do nothing, and the President has said he'd sign it if Congress passed it. You want to urge the vote because that will at least force them to register their support or opposition to the assault weapons ban and allow them to be held accountable to the people on election day. If the Republicans feel enough pressure from the public in the next day or so they will have to bring it up for a vote and it will probably pass.

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[FUNKMAN]

I just filled out the petition and sent it out. Hope it helps!

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[TheMojoPin]

Way to go, reesh!

The word straight from the top is that it's apparently the "will of the people" that this ban shouldn't be renewed. Well, fuck THAT.

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[Yerdaddy]

Here's another reason to call the Senate and especially Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's office, (202-224-3344). I signed Reeshy's petitition and got an automatic response letter from Frist's office full of recycled NRA cliches and nonsense:
Dear Friend:

Thank you for contacting me to express your thoughts on the semi-automatic
assault weapon ban. It is an honor to serve you in the Senate and a
privilege to respond to your concerns.

Gun control is a controversial issue. People acting in good faith will
very often disagree on the most effective way to address violent crime
while recognizing the rights of law abiding gun owners, and I respect the
diversity of views on this important matter.

I have long believed that further federal regulation of gun ownership is
not the best answer to preventing violent crime, and I am a strong
supporter of the Second Amendment. Our enemy is the criminal, not the
weapon. A person intent on committing a violent crime will not be stopped
by more gun control laws. Instead, Congress and the States should work to
ensure that violent crimes are vigorously prosecuted, to keep guns out of
the hands of criminals and to better enforce our existing laws. Through
this common sense approach, we can continue to reduce violent crime across
the nation and protect the rights of law abiding gun owners.

Again, thank you for contacting me. As the Senate continues to face many
complex and challenging issues, I hope you will continue to give me the
benefit of your thoughts and advice.

Sincerely,
William H. Frist, M.D.
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United States Senate

P.S. Please visit http://frist.senate.gov to register for my e-mail
newsletter.

Please do not reply to this message, this email is coming from an
unmonitored account!

"Our enemy is the criminal, not the weapon."???

"to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and to better enforce our existing laws."???

This is a fucking "existing law"!!! Don't fucking tell me we need to enforce our laws by letting them expire, you scrawny little NRA piss-boy!!!

That was my reaction at home alone. But I called Frist's office and left a message that roughly went like this: "My name is Yerdaddy, and I'm from Westminster, CO. I signed an online petition in support of the Assault Weapons Ban, and I recieved an automated response from your office. I found the response to be oversimplistic and insulting. It's a collection of cliches and generalizations that I think have been distorting this issue more than informing it. So I felt it was necessary to inform you of the more personal reasons why I support the ban. I have 3 cops in my family. I have friends that are cops. All of them support the ban. I have counted 12 police organizations that support the Assault Weapons Ban, and none that don't. That's why I support the ban, and I urge you to bring the renewall of the ban up for a vote in the Senate, to urge the House to do the same, and urge the President to sign it. Thank you."

(The following police organizations support the assault weapons ban: the Law Enforcement Steering Committee, Fraternal Order of Police, National Sheriffs' Association, International Association of Chiefs of Police, Major City Chiefs Association, International Brotherhood of Police Officers, National Association of Police Organizations, Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association, National Black Police Association, National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, Police Executive Research Forum, and Police Foundation.)

If you're calling your Senators and Reps, you don't have to be that specific. You only have to say where you live, and that you support the assault weapons ban, and urge them to bring it to a vote. If you sign a petition and get an automated response like that, or one that you feel is patronizing or wrong-headed then it is appropriate and effective to respond in person. Remeber, you da pimp and they da ho's. An sometime every ho gots to be slapped.

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[reeshy]

You know, I had an AK-47 years ago...I kept it for a souviner....I brought it into my pct. about 10 years ago and gave it up...What the hell was I going to do with it except kill people...I don't do that!!!!

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

Well, there are those who get a manly thrill out of target practice. As for practical use, there's zero. Sure as hell isn't for protection. Rifles are totally inaccessible. Plus, hunting wouldn't be much fun if you just mowed everything down in a 300 yard radius.

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[reeshy]

That's why I still carry a Glock 9 for personal protection when I travel into the city!!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

Handguns? Whatever. The personal defense/protection issue can make perfect sense when it comes to those. "Standard" hunting and sport rifles? Same thing, when it comes to responsible recreational use. But assault weapons...come on. And this excuse that we need them "to protect ourselves from the criminals." Horseshit. Nine times out of ten a criminal is using a gun to commit a crime, it's USALLY something like a handgun. Remember how big that story out of LA was a few years back when the dudes held up the bank in broad daylight with the body armor and machine guns? How often do you hear about people using heavy duty assault weapons like that in some kind of "crimewave" of epidemic assault weapon use?

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[reeshy]

Nine times out of ten a criminal is using a gun to commit a crime, it's USALLY something like a handgun.


Like a Police Officer does...or me...but assault weapons are collected by assholes like David Koresch...and people like him!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

And people and groups of that level become an issue for the police or FBI or whomever to handle, not ye olde average citizen with an M-16.

Of course, Waco is probably the WORST example of the Feds handling that sort of situation.

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[furie]

finally! my AR-15 has been on back order for 10 years now!

seriously, we need to get this bill renewed.


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[reeshy]

And people and groups of that level become an issue for the police or FBI or whomever to handle, not ye olde average citizen with an M-16.


And a simple question....are YOU talking to me???????????

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[sr71blackbird]

I bought a AK47 (mak90 really)a few years ago and shot it inside my fathers factory at a huge pile of wood, maybe a 4 foot thick stack of plywood. It went through the entire stack and an half inch into the concrete wall behind it. I felt it was the most dangerous weapon I ever bought and basically kept in locked a way for a few years and eventually turned it in. A huge waste of money. The only reason I bought it was because I had heard that they were going to become "illegal" and I thought that I could sell it for a profit, but I decided against it. I dont think it is a good idea that someone can own such a weapon, but I do have some reservations about outright banning anything. My thinking is that when you ban something, it creates an artificial inflated value on the thing. A thing that is legal and sells at $10 will go up many times that value should that object become illegal to own. I do still own a small caliber rifle and 2 shotguns, but would never use any of them for anyting other than target practice or personal defence.

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[Se7en]

I dunno.

I have an NRA Card, I have a fucking cannon in the shape of a Remington 870 about ten feet away, but I dont want the ban lifted. Go figure.

I would have to agree. I was once, briefly, a member of the NRA (I've since let the membership expire), and I support gun rights, believe in the 2nd amendment, etc., but for the life of me I can't imagine what was going through the legislators' heads when they decided to write a sunset provision into this banning legislation.

It's just a colossally bad idea, especially in this current climate.

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[Yerdaddy]

My thinking is that when you ban something, it creates an artificial inflated value on the thing. A thing that is legal and sells at $10 will go up many times that value should that object become illegal to own.

Which is actually a positive point to banning somthing that is dangerous in the hands of the wrong people. What's special about a "Saturday night special"? That they're cheap. So they're easy to get ahold of. By keeping a ban on assault weapons there is little incentive for manufacturers to to even make them except for legitimate DoD procurement. Therefore there are less of them available for criminals, (which is what everyone claims to want). Then, the assault weapons in circulation become more rare and thus more valuable, and thus get horded by collecters and such, and less available to criminals. The higher prices also make them prohibitavely expensive, and thus less available to criminals. With the high cost of the weapons the criminals that have them will be more protective of them and thus be less likely to be used in a crime for fear of losing them, (and their freedom), in a routine traffic stop for example. Basically, I can't think of a single reason that an assault weapons ban would not be a deterrant to crime. I know the NRA cites the statistics that before the ban these weapons were used in around 5% of crimes, or gun crimes, I forget the exact statistic. But after the ban the same statistic dropped to 1.5%. How can that possibly be a bad thing???

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[TheMojoPin]

I think the NRA drastically overestimates the intelligence and resources of the "average" criminal in this country.

To hear them talk sometimes, it sounds like Willy The Crackhead is stockpiling combat shotguns or something in his crack house.

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[LiquidCourage]

The assault weapon ban is a load of crap, mostly designed for Democrats to feel good about themselves. It accomplishes next to nothing.

Take your average hunting rifle. Add a "mean" looking stock to it. Give it a "high capacity" magazine, possibly a bayonet mount. Wala, you have an "assault weapon".

[reeshy]

Take your average hunting rifle. Add a "mean" looking stock to it. Give it a "high capacity" magazine, possibly a bayonet mount. Wala, you have an "assault weapon".


Not true..every hunting rifle I have ever seen is a bolt action rifle and at best, semi-automatic...assault rifles are designed to be automatic weapons...Oh yea, I know....the average citizen is not allowed to own an automatic weapon..but Christ, just do a search and you can find conversion kits that are relatively cheap that will fit all of these assault weapons!!!

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[LiquidCourage]

There are .22s that are semi auto. Big deal.

[HBox]

The assault weapon ban is a load of crap, mostly designed for Democrats to feel good about themselves. It accomplishes next to nothing.

Take your average hunting rifle. Add a "mean" looking stock to it. Give it a "high capacity" magazine, possibly a bayonet mount. Wala, you have an "assault weapon".

Just for the record, are you suggesting, and would you support, expanding the existing ban to cover these kinds of accessories, or are you just being a contrarian?

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[LiquidCourage]

I'm saying the assault weapons ban is a joke. Scrap it.

[Yerdaddy]

To the degree that the assault weapons ban is a joke, it is so because the gun lobby and it's sock puppets in Congress made it so. Now the NRA zombies are using the weakness in the law that they themselves created in it as a reason to let it die? And as his reason for letting the drop off the books Bill Frist says that we should be enforcing the laws on the books? How stupid do they think Americans are??? Even 57% of gun owners support the ban!

The law saves cops' lives! But today politicians that are preaching about what heroes the NYP officers that died three years ago were are now cowering before the NRA and assuring that more cops will die from assult weapons. They should be renewing a stronger version of the ban, adding to it ALL ammunition clips over 10 rounds, and not allowing for the ones that were mass-produced before the ban took effect. They should be broadening the categories under the ban so that gun makers can't just make minor modifications to create legal versions like the one that was used by the DC area snipers. The people blocking the ban's renewal are cowards, and so is everyone who lets them get away with it! This is a national disgrace!

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[LiquidCourage]

Nobody's going to die because of the lack of a ban.

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[Yerdaddy]

Nobody's going to die because of the lack of a ban.

The International Association of Chiefs of Police would seem to disagree with you:

Communications to Congress and the Administration
Sample Assault Weapons Letter
Jennifer Boyter

Sample Letter to Congress In Support of Reauthorizing the Assault Weapons Ban
As Chief of Police in (name of town), I am writing to urge your support for reauthorization of the federal assault weapons ban. As you know the ban, which was first passed in 1994, required domestic gun manufacturers to stop production of semi-automatic assault weapons and ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds except for military or police use.

Since the law was enacted, the ban has proven remarkably effective in reducing the number of crimes involving assault weapons. Since 1994, the proportion of assault weapons traced to crimes has fallen by a dramatic 66 percent. Public opinion polls continue to prove that more than 75 percent of the public supports a reauthorization of the current ban.

Assault weapons are routinely the weapons of choice for gangs members and drug dealers. They are regularly encountered in drug busts, and are all too often used against law enforcement officers. In fact, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, were killed with assault weapons according to the "Officer Down," study by the Violence Policy Center.

Opponents of the assault weapons ban often argue that the ban only outlawed certain weapons because of their "cosmetic features" and not because they are inherently more dangerous than other weapons. This is simply not true.

While most rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and depend upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile, semi-automatic assault weapons are designed to maximize lethal effects through a rapid rate of fire. Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip, and because of their design, a shooter can maintain control of the weapon even while firing many rounds in rapid succession.

The "cosmetic features" opponents of the ban point to are actually military features such as silencers, flash suppressors, pistol grips, folding stocks and bayonets, which were designed to specifically increase the concealability and lethality of these weapons. Assault weapons also are designed for rapid-fire and many come equipped with large ammunition magazines allowing 50 or more bullets to be fired without reloading.

Weapons of this nature serve no legitimate sporting or hunting purposes and have no place in our communities. Unless Congress acts immediately, the firearms of choice for terrorists, drug dealers and gang members will be back on our streets-where, once again, our officers will be outgunned by criminals.

Over the last decade, we have made significant progress in our efforts to reduce violent crime rates. The ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines has been a crucial component of our national crime-fighting strategy.

We must not surrender the gains that we have made.

I urge you to support reauthorization of the assault weapons ban.




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[FMJeff]

its good to know terrorists don't need to bring automatic weapons across our borders anymore...they can simply buy one from the local gun store...

way to go bush...

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[LordJezo]

its good to know terrorists don't need to bring automatic weapons across our borders anymore...they can simply buy one from the local gun store...

way to go bush...


Too bad Bush said that if congress brought him the bill he would sign it back into law.

You should edit that to say "way to go congress"

And no one is buying automatic weapons anywhere.. they are still banned.

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[silera]

Too bad Bush said that if congress brought him the bill he would sign it back into law.


That's a fucking cop out. When Bush wanted to invade Iraq preemptively, he pulled out all the stops. We couldn't afford a wait and see attitude halfway around the world with a possible threat, but the possibility of people gaining access to weapons on our own land is something that he and his administration are ok with waiting for someone else (meaning the Republicancontrolled legislative branch) to do something about?


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[gypsy]

Big business and lobbyist run this country, that is why the ban has not been renewed.

[DarkHippie]

Too bad Bush said that if congress brought him the bill he would sign it back into law.
C'mon, we all know his stance. He only said that because he knew that Frist wasn't even going to allow a vote on this. Political manuvering.

BTW, the NRA just announced that they were backing Bush today. Notice how they didn't announce it until after the ban ended.

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

Too bad Bush said that if congress brought him the bill he would sign it back into law.
BTW, the NRA just announced that they were backing Bush today. Notice how they didn't announce it until after the ban ended.

Now there's a shocker. The NRA endorsing a Republcian.

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Now there's a shocker. The NRA endorsing a Republcian.

Indeed. What next -- the unions endorsing a Democrat?

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[Snoogans]

i dont know, being all the checks and licensing you have to go through, this doesnt bother me. Automatic weapons have always been available, at least now, we'll be able to know who has them

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[angrymissy]

i dont know, being all the checks and licensing you have to go through, this doesnt bother me. Automatic weapons have always been available, at least now, we'll be able to know who has them

you can still be fucking nuts out of your mind and buy one, as long as you don't check off the "do you have a mental disorder" box on the background check.

my insane, institutionalized multiple times, ex boyfriend was allowed to purchase an AK47, AR-15, and a fucking 50 CALIBER whatever it is, that no civillian should ever need. He probably bought maybe 6 or 7 high powered guns within a year and no red flags went up, they let him buy them no problem every time. No training or anything nessecary to purchase either. He also had a juvenille criminal record for drugs, and that didn't come up on the background check.

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[Snoogans]

i took that into account, but that same person can just by a hand gun and shoot someone if they really wanted to. plus, you could always pick up your own protection if your nervous:
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[TheMojoPin]

you could always pick up your own protection if your nervous:

That's the most depressing suggestion I've ever received.

"Hate and fear guns? BUY YOUR OWN!"

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[Snoogans]

i meant nervous of others having them.

look, the point being, nothing has changed. she just said her ex bought an AK, a colt, and a 50 cal. Funny how since unless he did that today, supposedly, they were banned.
HA
you can buy AK 47's at any time, they just have to have a fixed stock. lifting this ban now means basically, the stock can fold up, and your clip can hold more bullets. the guns work exactly the same as the guns YOU WERE ALLOWED TO BUY the last 10 years.



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This message was edited by Snoogans on 9-14-04 @ 12:13 PM

[TheMojoPin]

look, the point being, nothing has changed.

That's completely wrong.

Studies have shown, and are supported by police organizations in the wake of this ban being lifted, that there have been significantly less dead cops due to gunfire since the ban was put in place.

To me, that alone is reason to keep it in effect. In my opinion, anyone who just shrugs that off REALLY needs their priorities re-checked.

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[silera]

So, because people can get them anyway, the law is useless and doesn't help anyone.

Funny, this is the same reasoning that proponents of legalizing drugs use, and the opponents (mostly conservative/republican/christian right) discard as an invalid argument.




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[Snoogans]

basically here is the deal. those guns are considered military guns. to be sold legally, even during this ban, a couple modifications had to be made, none of which had anything to do with the production of the gun. basically by locking the stock and lengthening the nose, they no longer look like the military ones, and can be sold as hunting rifle, while still working the same as they did. the longer barrell actually made them MORE accurate.
gimmie all the stats you want, point being, i can give you 3 sites where you could bought an AK 47 over the last 10 years.
the only thing this band does is allow a folding stock, a snub nose, and allows sale of the smaller handgun sizes, like the one i posted earlier.

but the guns were still available. and after legal purchase, you could legally buy a kit that restore the guns back to there illegal or banned form. basically meaning anyone with a gun license could have them selves an Uzi standard in about a week

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[Snoogans]

Funny, this is the same reasoning that proponents of legalizing drugs use, and the opponents (mostly conservative/republican/christian right) discard as an invalid argument.

completely wrong. illegal drugs are illegal. AK 47's werent. just a certain type, but the guns still functioned the same.

AK-47's were never outlawed, just the certain types that looked like the military ones.

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[Snoogans]

this is the reason ill not care about lifting the ban:
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/
click that link,right on the home page you can buy an Uzi and 4 different models of AK 47's, all of these have been available before today.
Look a little deeper to find the kits to set them back to original illegal status, and bam, you've legally purchased yourself an AK 47. thats what im sayin, knowing that, the ban lift really doesnt change much in my eyes.

i didnt say it was good that all these guns are available, i just said they always were

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[silera]

completely wrong. illegal drugs are illegal. AK 47's werent. just a certain type, but the guns still functioned the same.


I think being able to pump out 50 rounds continually without modifications is not the same as being able to shoot one round out.

The ban was a watered down piece of shit, but it was better than nothing.

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[Snoogans]

no you dont read, that would modify the gun. the guns work the same. a semi shoots as fast as you can pull the trigger, no matter what kinda gun. the ban was on these semi's, no automatics are legal, even now

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[silera]

no you dont read, that would modify the gun. the guns work the same. a semi shoots as fast as you can pull the trigger, no matter what kinda gun. the ban was on these semi's, no automatics are legal, even now


In 1994, it became unlawful to manufacture an assault weapon or normal capacity magazine (over 10 rounds) except for export or for sale to a government or law enforcement agency. The federal definition of assault weapon includes the following points of physical similarity to military weapons:

A semiautomatic rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and has more than one or more of the following features: pistol grip, folding or telescoping stock, flash suppressor, threaded barrel, grenade launcher, or bayonet lug.
A semiautomatic shotgun that has more than one of the following features: pistol grip, folding or telescoping stock, detachable magazine, fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
A semiautomatic pistol that can accept a detachable magazine that has more than one of the following features: magazine attaches to the pistol outside the grip, threaded barrel, weight of 1.42 kg or more unloaded, barrel shroud, or a semiautomatic version of a fully automatic firearm.


source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_on_assault_rifles)


These restrictions that are now lifted seem to be putting those that want to illegally modify their weapons to fully automatic a little bit closer to their goal.

Why is it ok to make it easier for people to kill one another? So that paranoid freaks in middle america waiting for the fucking revolution can feel like their civil rights aren't being infringed upon?

The first amendment is everyone's fucking right too, and the right to assembly, but people still have to secure permits to assemble peacably and I can't run into a theatre and yell fire. My constitutional rights are protected as long as I do no pose a danger to the greater good.

Assault weapons are not necessary. They are dangerous. In the wrong hands, they can do immense harm.



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[Snoogans]

i didnt say ever that it was ok. in fact, i started just the opposite. all i said was that it really doesnt make much difference.

i dont think these guns, even in the legal way, should have ever been sold. my point was simply that allowing them to be sold in the original form really changes nothing, accept the fact that we now know who has them, instead of who just made them illegal after legal purchases

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[LordJezo]

You can convert Tylenol with Codeine into heroin..

Maybe we should ban that stuff since it can be modified into something illegal.

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[Snoogans]

i believe you might be confusing that with morphine

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[silera]

I don't think this ban is the solution, but it's a deterrent and I'd rather have it than nothing.



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[Snoogans]

see you look positive at it. i look more realistic.
if someone wants these guns for a decent purpose, hunting, etc, they still could go buy them. i dont agree with it, you dont need an AK for deer, but you were allowed.
if someone wanted these guns to do the shit you are thinkin, even with the ban, all it was was 1 stop at the store. you can buy all the other parts you need in a gun shop, so its not like they were deterred by more than walkin 10 more feet and doin a little bolting when they got home.

my point was, no one who plans to fuck shit up with these guns can get them now when they couldnt 6 months ago.
the only deterrent is the fact that if someone sees you walking around with it and its illegal, you are in trouble more than normal. but who cares, you get caught walkin around with a registered hand gun, and you are goin to jail.

it seems more to me like the ban was made not to stop anything, but more to create a cloud of saftey to people who never look into it

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[Snoogans]

i mean shit, i know a kid who tried to sell a colt AR-15 military issue (he was a Marine) to a friend of his for 200 dollars, but the kid wouldnt buy it cause it didnt have a serial number, apparently they dont in certain branches of the military. basically, my friend has a gun in his basement that "doesnt exist"

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[Yerdaddy]

Here's the front page story from my neighborhood: <a href="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3180399,00.html" target="_blank">Shooters load up; Demise of gun ban gives buyers more bang for their buck</a>

At the counter inside Dave's Guns, Gary Hazen read the government warning emblazoned on a new Colt AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and gleefully proceeded to ignore it.

"RESTRICTED MILITARY/GOVERNMENT LAW ENFORCEMENT/EXPORT ONLY," the stamp glared, as the 38-year-old handed over his credit card.


"It will be something of a novelty," Hazen said of the now-toothless government restriction emblazoned on the rifle. He spoke only hours after the expiration of the federal assault weapons ban Monday.

He then bought his third AR-15.

"The main reason I'm buying now is the price," he said. "Now it's affordable."

Hazen, of Lone Tree, said he recently paid $2,000 for an AR-15 that was manufactured before the assault weapons ban, but was still readily available and legal. His new rifle cost about $1,300.

By early afternoon, the store had sold more than 20 of the formerly forbidden AR-15s, said Dave Anver, president of the company, who predicted that "in the next couple of days, they'll be gone."

No worry, though, he said - he has more on order.

And here's my old neighborhood, and some of yours': <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18935-2004Sep13.html" target="_blank">House GOP Proposes to Repeal D.C. Gun Bans</a>


A majority of the U.S. House of Representatives is supporting legislation that would repeal virtually all of the District's gun restrictions, targeting one of the nation's most stringent handgun bans while the presidential candidates are battling over gun limits.

Rep. Mark Edward Souder (R-Ind.) said House Republican leaders have promised him a vote before the Nov. 2 election on his proposed D.C. Personal Protection Act, which would end a ban on handguns in the nation's capital; remove a prohibition against semiautomatic weapons; lift registration requirements for ammunition and other firearms; and cancel criminal penalties for possessing unregistered firearms and carrying a handgun in one's home or workplace.

Souder's bill also would deny the District's elected officials "authority to enact laws or regulations that discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms." The legislation has 228 co-sponsors, more than enough to clear the 435-member House.

Nevermind the fact that the actual residents of DC, where the law effects, have no representatives who can be a part of that vote. Eleanor Holmes Norton should propose an ammendment that would fund a week-long course in the DC Police Academy on how to duck. Elected republican officials are the NRA's piss-boys!

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